Why do some people claim that ALL problems from the black community, not some, come from individual choices and why do they think ALL are at fault?

[blazesteered]

[SenileOldMan]

Personally, I just think that's the most practical way to improve things is to focus less on blame and how to make things better. I am not interested so much in the blame game for things long past. I'm just interested in how to make my life better from the present onwards and the same for the lives of people around me. There's the saying that revenge is a dish best served cold. I think it's a dish best not served at all, but at least serve it hot and not hundreds of years later on the children of ancestors at fault.

[blazesteered]

I didn't say it was wrong to focus on how to make things better and im not saying contemporary white people are at fault. My thing is when people say "Black people need to stop commiting crimes" "Black people need to stop being to tough on there kids" "Black people need to stop being so soft on there kids" "Black people need to stop making reckless financial choices"

there's also things us white people can do to improve things im not talking about stupid fake woke policies but the black family is damaged so we need to help them put it back together and we also need to put our OWN white families back together they need positive representation in film and there's things the bad people in there community have to improve ourselves but you have to know all the facts and all the details and put yourselves in the shoes of an edgy struggling person

[SenileOldMan]

If we want to fight the system, the system is green. It's not white. Poor white people that live in trailers and rely on food stamps are excluded from these so-called white privileges as a most blatant example. But I'm not so interested in fighting the system personally because I'm not interested in participating in fights I seem to have no chance of winning. I'm interested in making allies and making things better. All communities have their histories. All people have horrendous forms of oppression in their ancestry. We can look at the US and say it's a white-normalized culture but so too can we look at any part of the world where one population is in the majority.

My opinion is that the way to change things is to form allies, navigate the system, game the system, whatever we need to do to thrive. But I don't see anything productive coming about from complaining about the system.

[blazesteered]

I didn't exactly say to fight the system. This is something common sense and empathy and compassion and spiritual direction can fix

[blazesteered]

And criminal white people and criminal rich elite white people do have a strong negative impact on the black community even to this day.

[blazesteered]

American society is degenerate right now. Black culture was better until the illuminati corrupted it. Illuminati corrupted both races and now white people are whiny and entitled any time they get criticized. Like we gotta get our shit together to man

[SenileOldMan]

Cheers and my bad, I continued my thoughts in the comments before I saw your response. It's a habit I've formed on here absent an edit function to sort of post in small increments because my eyes aren't what they used to be, and it's easier for me to catch and correct mistakes.

In your response, I think all the things we can do to make our lives better apply equally to all people regardless of their racial phenotypes. I think there's a share of people who are truly racist if they want to assign fault specifically to the most struggling sections of the black community, or worse if they assign it to the entirety of it.

[blazesteered]

Oh no man I knew plenty of black men and women who live a happy life without any racial struggles. I'm not saying they all have that, but as a whole these negative problems impact a majority of the community in some way like for example there family unit and relationships.

[SenileOldMan]

But I do think there's legitimacy to the idea that we can't depend on white people to improve our lives. We can only depend on ourselves. If we're major underdogs then we have to work harder to make our lives better. But maybe that's the only way we can start to change the world.

[blazesteered]

I agree with that. I dont wanna babysit them like little kids or anything, I just wanna give them knowledge and tools and encouragement they need to fix all these problems. Im more like a supportive friend.

[SenileOldMan]

Cheers! My thinking though is that I can't imagine other people's lives. I've failed to make the best decisions on my own. As an aging man, I can tell you so many cases where I could have made a decision that would have likely produced better results. One of my gripes though with activists of any sort whether it's BLM or feminist or whatnot is that I am left with a question of what they are doing to improve their own lives.

You know, Amelia Earhart. That's one type of feminist I can really respect as someone at least somewhat allergic to feminism. She predated modern waves of feminism and just said, "I'm gonna do what these guys are doing. I'm gonna hunt, I'm gonna fly airplanes." And she did it, and no doubt she had more struggle than a man who wants to do the same things. She was the underdog. But it didn't stop her. She didn't focus on the patriarchy, male privilege, or whatnot. She just said I'm gonna conquer this shit no matter what it takes. And I can totally respect that. I don't respect feminists getting gender studies degrees complaining about the lack of women in STEM fields with the perception that it's male-dominated. Of course, it's male-dominated, but how is complaining supposed to change that?

We need more heroes, not complainers.

[blazesteered]

I agree, I dont villainize complainers but I dont think they do themselves any favors. You can't beg a corrupt system to give you food stamps which undermine the majority group hard work

[SenileOldMan]

I think all systems have some degree of corruption but I think it's up to us to improve it. And as individuals, we might lack the resources to affect change and that's why I think we gotta come together. And I applaud people coming together but too frequently I see it happening among people who want to destroy more than build. Destroying a system doesn't make it better. It makes it worse because almost any system is better than no system. My criticism of struggling black communities is that I have talked to black people in those communities as outsiders and they want to unite to fight and destroy more than building and creating. There's no powerful creative force in uniting against the excesses of white people or any people for that matter. People unite under a banner of hatred and they'll eventually run out of things to destroy. There's an infinite number of things we can build.

I think that's why I'm allergic to activism that expresses itself primarily through protest. I'm consistent here regardless of what cause that unites such people. I don't know what they want to build. I only know what they want to destroy.

[DJB72]

Perfectly correct.

The personal choices of the slavers who kidnapped human beings from one continent, murdered over 75% of them en route to the other and then sold them as less than livestock.

Individuals made those choices centuries ago. That's the foundation today's descendants of the survivors of slavery have to deal with. A minority of callous, sub-human European individuals and the quislings from Africa who sold their fellow Africans to the European slavery trade made those individual choices.

Oh, I'm not African.

[blazesteered]

I never said you can blame every choice a black person makes on past events, but that kinda does hold you back socially. Like that is gonna hold you back and f*ck up your community a little bit. They fail to acknowledge other peoples choices. We gotta let the past go but in order to do that we have to stop sugarcoating how the past can affect the president. The bible says the sins of the fathers go on to the sons.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is a strange thing. Because the people who claim that the problems of "Black" people come from individual choice are the people least likely to think of "Black" people as individuals.

Racism does not respect a person.

It only respects groups.

[Not_Average]

Black culture is the problem. Why is it that every black person in the hood is told they’re “too white” when they do well in school or articulate themselves well? Why is it that every black kid in the hood thinks their only shot out of the hood is to become an athlete or rapper? Why is it that black people in the hood listen to music that promotes drugs, sex, and gang violence? There’s surely more to the black community than this, but this is what’s focused on.

[jasco]

I don't think all of our problems are our fault. I do however think that some problems could be fix if we try fixing it ourselves. Of course schools need to be better, more jobs in certain areas, the black community needs to go back to having morals and taking care of their own. Punishing those who do wrong and helping those who truly need it. A community should be a giant family, not just whatever works

[blazesteered]

I never said they can't improve themselves. Im saying white people have to improve themselves, everybody does. And I wasn't talking about you man. I like the way you think. The family needs to be improved, the black family was attacked by the illuminati. When your in a rock and a hard place you dont know what to do. My point was white people being hypocritical and judgmental and singling out black people and blaming the whole community

[jasco]

Honestly I think white people just need to leave black people alone for now. People just need time to themselves

[OddBeMe]

Yeah the “black community” is often referred group for many racist statements. Logically speaking, “all problems” can’t possibly be from a single issue or even single community.

But are there issues related to race? Yeah because of racism. We liberals get dragged for wanting a post race society. But also bringing up racism a lot. Because that’s how we get a post race society.

[NamerOfStars]

Because acknowledging complexity and nuance means not being able to demonize your opponents, and few people have the will OR the patience for that these days.

[Dargil]

Many, even most problems in the Black community are caused by Liberal Democrat government. Blacks were were much better off before the 1960's with some exceptions, of course.

[blazesteered]

I think many contemporary issues are but not that clear cut but thats not the question I asked man I didn't ask whose at fault

[goaded]

"Blacks were were much better off before the 1960's with some exceptions, of course. "
When they couldn't vote, or share a table with white people in some states? Or when the only successful insurrection against a democratic government in the US happened in Wilmington? Or when they were bombed and shot and their part of the city was burned for being successful in Tulsa? Those are some pretty damn big exceptions.

[BeMuse]

You make your own choices in what you do in every situation. How is that hard to understand? You have free will.

[blazesteered]

Yeah man Im not denying that we all have free will we all choose to f*ck up sometimes and have a consequence. My problem is the collectivization of a group and blaming them all for there problem and saying all the problems are that communitys fault and not any one else contributing to it at all. Especially on black children who have no idea what the hell is going on and have crazy bipolar expectations on them. Black kids are just that, kids.

[BeMuse]

There is obviously a degenerate cultural problem in the Black community. The majority of the community subscribes to that particular moral philosophy. Each and every one of them that chooses to walk that path in life is responsible for their own personal actions. When you have 90% of the community living that way, it’s fair to say there is a problem with the community rather than pointing out degeneracy of individuals. Instead, you end up pointing out the merits of individuals that make better decisions because it’s just easier to do the accounting.

[BeMuse]

Just like you point out the outliers in other cultures when someone is a criminal, like wow I can’t believe he killed his wife and children and wore their heads into a del taco as a hat. That’s really crazy and surprising… People often are like wow, he’s really articulate and intelligent for a Black man. He invented that and started that company? Wow that’s really surprising… People get use to the norm, and when they notice deviation it surprises them.

[blazesteered]

I hear you that there is a degenerate culture problem but you dont understand why that is. Its not "black people like being bad." They used be traditional just like we were

[blazesteered]

And us stereotyping doesn't equal how they really are. I've interacted with more black people than you and I can gaurantee you its not the majority living a criminal lifestyle. 30-50% or so like to be rebellious, but only 10-20% engage in criminal activity and only 5% is evil intent while the other 50-70% live "normal" lives

[blazesteered]

And the illuminati prevent them from seeking knowledge and they dont get the ghetto loan all the other struggling ghetto people get

[blazesteered]

Its not 90% of the community living like a criminal. I hope you get fired for saying that bullsiht.

[BeMuse]

You’re a moron, don’t put words in my mouth. You openly said “90% of the community living like a criminal”, not me and I can quote you on that so stop projecting. Learn to read you numb skull. I pointed out that the Black community has a degenerate cultural problem. I mentioned that it has to do with a particular moral philosophy and noted that about 90% of the community is aligned with the philosophy. That is not a stereotype, that is a statistic. It’s no secret that 86% of Blacks polled by Pew Research openly support the BLM as they burnt down their cities, looted the local economy, destroyed Black owned businesses, reduced economic and education opportunities for Black people, escalated violence in their own communities killing their own people, pushed to defund the police, promoted Marxist ideology, openly spouted racist rhetoric on megaphones in the streets and committed hate crimes against women, children, and the elderly, promoted the destruction of the Black family, and so on.

[BeMuse]

That is something 86% of the Black community were willing to get behind and openly support. They have buckets of blood on their hands. That sort of ideology is highly degenerate. It keeps Black people dumb, poor, and gets them killed by the dozen. It is a philosophy that was openly promoted by Democrats. Democrats convinced them that they were worthless victims, while those very democrats where the ones that made the laws in their communities. Yet, 93% of Blacks voted for Bill Clinton, 97% of Blacks voted for Barack Obama, and 92% of Blacks voted for Joe Biden even though those very Democrats were responsible for engineering the destruction of the Black community. That is degenerate and ignorant culture. They are so brained washed into thinking they are victims that 86% of the Black Community supports the idea of reparations.

[BeMuse]

The think it is appropriate to steal money from random White people six generations after the end of slavery, even though less than half of one percent of the American White population has ancestors who actually owned slaves. The vast majority of White Americans immigrated to America after the civil war, and even most of those that were here before the civil war did not personally own slaves. The rich owned slave in America, just like the rich owned slaves in Europe, just as the rich owned slaves in Arabia, and so on. To feel it is just to steal from innocent people is degenerate culture. When you examine how Americans see race, 74% of Blacks see their race as central to their identity in contrast to only 15% of Whites. That indicates that racism is a major characteristic present in the Black community.

[BeMuse]

The vast majority can’t see past skin color, even though other races can. That is degenerative culture. 72% of Blacks are raised without a father. The nuclear family in the Black community has been destroyed due to the same Marxist ideas. The Gates family, who are openly democrats are responsible for the Negro Project which was established to control the Black population. Today it has been re-branded to Planned Parenthood, which is openly promoted and funded by Democrats. Since 1973, 19 million Black babies have been killed. That is degenerative culture. All of this is rooted in Black communism. It has been festering in the Black community for over a century. It’s a fucking plague that is killing Black people by the millions. The Democrats, fought to maintain slavery over the Blacks.

[BeMuse]

The Democrats started the KKK to hunt down Black Republicans and the Whites that supported them. The Democrats formed Jim Crow Laws. The Democrats created redlining through the New Deal’s National Housing Act of 1934. The Democrats started the Negro Project to reduce the Black population. The Democrats fostered a racist movement the BLM that left the Black community in ashes. The Democrats tried to remove civil rights era legislation to legalize segregation in California. The Democrats, created POC play nights at playgrounds in Colorado to segregate Blacks kids. The Democrats created safe spaces to segregate Black kids on college campuses. All of this is degenerative culture and over 90% of the Black community openly supports it. You haven’t be alive long enough to meet as many Black people as I have known. You don’t even understand the problems to begin with. You’re a typical ANTIFA moron, that probably threw a Molotov cocktail or a mortar into a Black business and left people unemployed because of it. What a dumb ass.

[BeMuse]

*They
*been

[BeMuse]

That shit is pervasive all throughout Black culture. For example look at Eric Andre... Me and him went to the same elementary school at the exact same time. He was a couple years behind me. He got the best public school education in the county at an A+ rated school in my neighborhood. Me and him both got an invitation to attend the Dreyfoos School of the Arts in West Palm Beach for our artistic talent. They bused his ass 30 each way to go to school on a scholarship. Today he is a famous multimillionaire, yet he’s still out their supporting the BLM, being racist to White people that gave him the world, and then claiming he worships Satan. It’s laughable...

[BeMuse]

*30 miles

[BeMuse]

*there

[BeMuse]

I can tell without a doubt he wasn't a problem child. He was a nerdy kid... He wasn't out late at night doing crime involved in all the dirt. He didn't deal with the police even though the police were fucked up back then and would beat your ass... Yet he's screaming about police brutality. The Black community live a big fucking lie, they don't want to take responsibility and get their shit together.

[BeMuse]

90% of Black people voted for this... Degenerate culture...

[grega239]

Some of the problems faced by black communities can be solved if they stopped with the street gang shit.

[blazesteered]

some not all problems are caused by some not all black people

[grega239]

Right i forgot some people are spastics and need to see " not all" every time a certain group is mentioned

[blazesteered]

im adhd dont you dare call me a spastic

[grega239]

What does that have to do with anything

[jahaims]

Because they are ignorant

[fireforeffect]

Because, for the most part it is true.

[blazesteered]

Yeah maybe from your arrogant spoiled entitled spiritually immature perspective

[blazesteered]

so you think ALL of black community is at fault for there problems, and ur gonna hold good black people accountable and give them a hard time thats f*cking stupid you un evolved jackass

[fireforeffect]

Everyone is accountable for their actions. How can you not understand this?

[Citizenkirk]

Is this a BLM pitch?

[blazesteered]

No I dont support BLM. Think before you assume things. You just wanna bring up diviise stuff and not understand the root of my question thats a problem