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“Women more unhappy than men.” Your thoughts?
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In general I think it's true. Women tend to be emptier than men and are never satisfied. It's the reason why they generally "need a change" much more than men do. They perpetually seek a change in external things - and partners - in an effort to increase their happiness, never considering that the ultimate change begins with the self, never wanting to look inward and question what's lacking.
Also women are not as challenged in life as men are. Generally over time men become more cultivated by life and having to do your work to climb higher or attain more goodness and personal wealth - which isn't always monetary. Women are more often given everything by everyone - whether it's money, opportunities, emotional support, or even sex. So they are challenged less in life. Less challenge means you haven't used much of your inner muscles to create your own world, your own solutions, happiness, or contentment, because subconsciously you are always expecting to receive something from external sources to build you up.
Although a lot of men like to say that women have it easier in life - and in some ways that is true - at the end of the day women are still dealing with inner turmoil of their own. The difference is that they are less inclined to want to use their inner muscles to work that turmoil away. They still need external emotional support from others, and even attention from people on Instagram and Facebook to all their posts and pictures.
I think it's part of a broader issue and men might be better at covering up their unhappiness. In general people that never learn how to be happy own their own are destined to be unhappy. Since people get so caught up in dating and relationships in high school and never really stop. So they never give themselves the opportunity to learn to be happy on their own. Then you add in the fact that we treat dating and relationships as if they are necessity for living. That only compounds the issue. Not dating or being in a relationship will not kill you like not breathing or eating will. Stop acting like they will.
Women not dating or being in a relationship will not kill you. Men learning to be happy alone can be tough. Since being a "real man" means taking on challenges it's a challenge you should take on.
Yeah I can see that, sometimes I think it's cuase there's no goal no reason for doing all of this. Other times it's cuase woman with kids tends to both work and then deal with all the house and kid stuff while their men just work and come home and relax.
But I do notice it with myself and a big part of that is being completely unable to rent a place of my own as the rent is always too high. Or landlords says no to kids even though it's a 2 bed place
Come home and relax… that’s hilarious. As for being a single parent… seems like your paying for a mistake you made…
Why is it on gag you write a response and people pick up on 2/3 words. If you noticed I said women with kids TENDS to, meaning a fair few times this is what happens.
Yeah your right she was a mistake, I got into a bad place of mind and lost all hopes and dreams and even probably my sense of reality. But rather than taking the easy route and aborting her like majority of girls my age, I decided I could never do that, so I finished my degree and now I'm working my way up the corporate ladder and I'm going to keep doing so. But as for paying a mistake I don't really want to have young kids in my 40s, I'd much rather have my kids mostly grown by then.
Having kids wasn’t the mistake. It’s not having a man around to help. Kids with 2 parent homes are better offer by several times according to multiple studies.
As for your tends to comment it negatively impacts men as a generality while put women in a good light generally… so yeah.
Yeah I know about that, I am a little worried about that since I've seen it in my friends and I, my friends have an absentee dad and I an absentee mother. Not one of us are stable, but then I also know of many two parent households' children who have similar issues and it didn't seem to matter.
Your right it did look that way, but I was referring to the woman who are unhappy and giving a reason for why that may be. For the woman who believe that they both play equal roles in children rearing and working they wouldn't be unhappy but rather loving life and all it brings. Admittedly I didn't explain that well the first time, so sorry about that.
I apologize too. I’m so used at this point to seeing pink dissing blue and blue dissing pink I assumed the worst. This situations particularly bad for me because I would like to have a wife and family but having to risk the current state of datings a bit too much.
Women don’t care for or respect men. And men arnt trying to impress women anymore so they don’t care to improve…
That's alright believe it or not but being raised by a male has put me in a unique position with things like the male female divide. It's probably why I'm more of a problem solver than a drama person, can't stand drama and all the he said she said, I much rather know where I stand.
For the most part I would love to have a partner, would even like a couple more kids, not sure I believe in marriage, although have occasionally thought about it. But too many woman are on the 'we don't need/want/like men' that I'm not sure it's gunna happen anytime soon. Especially the amount of burns the good ones get.
I’m sure both sides face unique struggles. For women whom get all the attention finding a good partner that wants to be a good husband is difficult. Besides this it seems as soon as the butterflies are gone they wanna move on expecting live to always be this amazing feeling and to always be happy… that’s simply not the case.
As for men. Men have it easy if their a typical nice looking well spoken man with money. Easy sex and if they commit it’s their choice. Other average men don’t get that attention women get so the issue there is advertising for men. Dating apps don’t serve these men well but uniquely serve women and their egos and with so many flocking to dating apps and the recent metoo, feminism, man hating movements men can’t cold approach anymore. We’re literally breeding out the trade workers in favor of these men.
Personally it seems to me men arnt being raised to understand what they need to be for women to want them and women are too self centered to be worth a man being a man for.
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there, I still don't think money is a big issue as many guys make out. I think most girls just wants a guy who can take care of himself and is paying his own rent whether that's shared or not. Me personally I'd like a guy who is doing full time or part-time/training or side business etc it wouldn't matter what he earns so long as he doesn't leach off of me and we can go dutch on things.
You also forgot that the newer gen, myself included, isn't taught what to look for. Many decades ago it was go for the wealthiest man or the most connections, go for the one with a promising career. Go for the one that's been widowed with no children. He'll up our family status. And men were told to go for family's with just girls so all the father's stuff would go to him. Or for the pretty ones for the trophy wife, good connections to better themselves.
Nowadays its go for the ones that'll treat you nice, which can be faked or only be out in the open and not behind closed doors. There isn't a reason for partnerships, other than to procreate and personal enjoyment if putting it basically, and there's many now who never want to procreate so there's even less of a reason.
I think guys don’t really understand the issue. Like me for example. When I was dating I had no fucking clue what I was doing still don’t as a matter of fact. Bad female role models growing up few good ones combined with poor luck in dating led me to hate women. I had to work through that and come to understand many things like it’s my marketing that’s failing me. But at the same time I’m not putting forth the effort to fix that because a, b, c so damn many reasons it’s just smarter for men not to invest in women. But I spent years on dating apps angry at women for not selecting me lol.
I think I’m pretty fucking amazing but coming to know my worth inly made me further realize women are human too their not amazing angels I always thought. Now that I know my value I don’t think women are worthy of me anymore. The value a woman has to me is kids and comfort. That would of course change if I build a relationship but for now… if a woman can’t provide me these things she’s literally without any value. Actually the opposite she’s a hindrance.
Here’s the answer I came up with after a decade thinking about it. Opinion completely.
A man and a woman are 2 different people. They should have 2 different lives. If they come together they merge what they can omitting the extras and taking on a certain expectation from the other partner. Things like monogamy, acts of kindness and gratitude for these acts, and a responsibility to the household before each other.
I believe traditional roles did this best so far. With two coming together you effectively double incomes while cutting out extras like double rent and utilities. The costs of this are then communication, honesty, and a real commitment to the partner in its place.
Men SHOULD date their wives… but after 10 years of marriage it’s easy to get complacent. Women SHOULD communicate they wanna date their husbands but they just expect the best at all times.
My last relationship fell apart for one very specific reason. Gratitude. I never felt appreciated for the things I did. Took her years just to remember I liked chocolate cake she thought I hated it but her sister remembered I liked it. That don’t show me she cared enough to remember. She don’t remember the dates or the flowers for Valentine’s Day. Hell I was a smart ass and got her a stuffed animal today and handed her the receipt and told her it’s to remind her… but I remember I think our 3rd year together for just a random date I got her a small Winnie the Pooh bear. That was the first and last time I’ve ever seen appreciation from my partners and I haven’t and won’t forget it.
Expectations need to be expected from both sides to keep the balance but at the same time we tend to overlook when people meet expectation. This leads to complacency and thanklessness.
This is why I think traditional gender roles are best. It’s hard to determine who’s doing their part unless each responsibility is entrusted to one individual. The same pitfalls exist but are better prepared for.
That's shitty, I had a cake handmade and brought for me for my 18th and it really made me feel sad when my Nan didn't even know that I didn't like chocolate cake, it's too rich for me. So I know how you feel about that and similar issues.
Yeah I didn't have a good female role model I never really saw the best way to be a female and still finding myself now. My biggest issue is certainly myself I don't let go enough and I have many insecurities that stop me from going into a relationship. Once over all of that I think I'll make a great girlfriend, it's just my situation is complicated.
You've done good to change your mind and thought pattern many people don't they stay the same for decades and then complain about it.
I never said I was successful… I still dislike women but now I realize it’s men too so I hate them just as much lmao.
The thing is while I don’t value people, society, or any particular group I over value individuals. This means I find the betrayal of these individuals even more offensive. Why put myself through that? For a dream of a wife that won’t and a kid that better?
I’m def part of the problem… but I refuse to be the first to raise the white flag. Both sides are wrong but I believe single men are in a better position then single women… and I’m tired of having to “be a man” and give in to women. It’s time for some of that good old 50/50 OJ you girls talking about.
I don't think many people are successful but having knowledge of a problem is half the issue solved. I try to value society but a lot of time it's nothing to do with me so I feel unplaced within it.
Guys ar3 in the better position they tend to look better as they age, get more confident and knowledgeable as they age and being single isn't seen as a sin. For girls it's like she's been single for x amount of years what's wrong with her. I've made the first move a few times in my life all of which did end up in dates. I like to think I play my part in it all.
When feeling excluded is hard to give a damn I completely understand.
That being said I disagree with the better position. You can’t judge it that easily. Women value relationships like men value sex. Women control sex like men control relationships… seems balanced… but it’s not. Sex is the key to children. Women control every aspect to children from having them to who gets them in the divorce. Also it’s not fair to say men control relationships t they control commitment. When decide if a man’s worthy of getting to know them. Men like me that fail to advertise or have qualities that are difficult to advertise will always fail next to the hot or rich guys. Fact is money and looks advertise themselves meanwhile the fact I helped my older neighbor with her trash the other day gets overlooked.
Men like me that know how to act don’t know how to show it and the men that know how to show it don’t need to act that way as long as women choose the wrong men and put out of the first date… the only people winning are the super successful men. 70% of men are below average and invisible to women. Then again I’m going solely based off statistics as I spent years trying to date from apps with the same level of success as Jews during the third reich. The only reason this matter is… women did this. Women wanted to be just like me so they emulated the worst men had to offer.
It's funny you say that, I'm the only one out of all the girls I've talked to that would have actually enjoyed the 17th century famers wife kinda lifestyle. The first thing most girls say is about the loss of rights but back then there wasn't any mention of rights it wasn't even a thing to be entertained.
It's certainly harder for the men to gain custody, with many lawyers/social workers saying they won't attempt it, but not impossible, I can testimony to that. But yeah divorce is pretty one sided, I've seen it countless times where even after the house is sold and other things sold there's still a debt to pay the wife after a divorce. To say she gave up her career to be a stay at home mum = 000's does not equate.
As much as I hate the movie you've got mail, I do wonder if the idea has any merit. To talk and chat to someone within a criteria, without seeing their face, knowing anything about work, or any other identifying information. And then eventually meeting them after a couple of months.
Never seen the movie but I did consider the possibility of dating apps without pictures.
I’ve seen things that argue opposite points. My brother’s wife was hot when he found her. Even after a kid she’s still pretty. She managed a 30-40 hr/week family shop job while taking care of their daughter while managing the house. My brother handled cooking on the weekends when he’s off work and they work together on their daughter while he occasionally helps with dishes… she’s an amazing women and a super mom… I’m impressed with how well behaved my niece is.
I’ll probably never have my own kids but I got my niece. We do arts and science projects when I come over. Play games. She’ll watch you play a game and understand what’s going on without even knowing anything about the game so damn brilliant she honestly terrifies me. I was there last weekend and we did math for 30 minutes and she just wanted to keep going. I’ve considered kidnapping but yeah my brothers wife shoots better then he does so I’ll settle for being “uncle Matt”.
their lives are easier than mens lives for the most part, however i feel like most of them are less tough so they can subdue to misery and pain easier, therefore often making them more unhappy than men. just my opinion though
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I think this is explained by the fact that women tend to be more introspective than men and ruminate more on their failre too accomplish the fairy tale life that was their childhood fantasy.
I think they have a princess complex. When they get older reality just doesn't comply with how most "gentlemen" treated them growing up. Thats why they love being told the truth even when its insulting, in my experience
Right now I see more unhappy people then ever. Women are unhappy. I don’t really understand why, they have it made they can do anything they want and have very little accountability at all for their actions many unhappy men too as you would imagine when the female population treats them very badly. Like they do today. It’s going to get worse too. The government makes money on this stuff , and promotes and incentivizes bad behavior in women. I anticipate women becoming more unhappy due to the fact marriage is down 51% in the last decade and violence against them is rising.
Women still have a higher happiness index than men, but they're closing the gap on misery. Competing in career fields has always been a stressful, soul-sucking necessity. And to compound that, you have the balance of family life, business life, personal time, etc. Success in one usually means failure in others, and "there are only so many hours in a day" as the old-timers used to tell me.
I lost my marriage because I was working overtime to provide. But while working 60-80 hours a week, I didn't have time to take care of things at home. Reduce overtime, and we fell behind. Increase overtime and I was neglecting my family. So I started sleeping less, and my motivation to do any of it tanked. What do you do?
Well an acquaintance of mine, a 28 year old self described feminist told me she's ready to settle down and marry and have a child however cannot find a man that both meets her requirements and is willing to do so. She has had mixed career success as in she isn't in a low position yet doesn't make enough to do anything out of the ordinary or have significant savings.
I told her she spent all her youth fighting the patriarchy ie right for women to be respected at work, not be judged for being single and unmarried... yet now she's wondering where the patriarchy is when she wants it.
To me its as simple as that. Women got what they asked for and generally have buyers remorse. And everyone has experienced that before and thats a really shitty feeling to have.
Nah. Women just aren't as grateful and satisfied as men tend to be. It's impossible to keep a (left-leaning) woman happy. You can give a woman literally EVERYTHING and she'll be happy for a week before having the uncanny ability to find someone new to complain about.
And I love women; I'm just being real.
How about this there are some people that are unhappy more than other people we might be a Woman They Might Be A Man who knows I'm not going to put them in a box and say there's more women or more men it's each individual they can do anything they want they're grown adults if they can't figure out how to get out of it well then they don't know that the only person that can make you happy or sad is yourself and it comes from within so dig deep look deep feel deep understand deep get out of it
Men have had centuries to be comfortable in this position now that women are just stepping into it their not ready. They think they know what they want but the consequences that come with it they can’t comprehend because who can predict human behavior? Even if they did I think they would do it anyway.
That's been a thing for like ever honestly. Even down to higher suicide attempts. Males are more successful at suicide but that's more about male methods. Females historically had limited agency in life thus more depressed.
If you can't act as your own agent in life of course anyone would be depressed. This is the philosophy of Jean Paul's "Hell is Other People."
Weil obviously, cause we spent probably a decade now, telling women, that being what women want to be naturally, is not deemed successful by society anymore. Women now have a career and women who are house wifes, caring for their children is frowned upon. Instead they are supposed to have a high wage job, putting their child in some day care facility.
I think so. Us as men are content not playing weird mind games when it comes to dating, we think with logic and try not to base every decision and reaction with emotion. We aren't constantly woman bashing, nor do we have an undeserved sense of entitlement.
Again. Third time saying today. Gender has nothing to do here.
All of these studies are going to be based on self-reported happiness scores, so all they show is that women are more likely to complain about how unhappy they are - which I think is pretty damn obvious.
I think, as a female, since we tend to overthink simple stuff, we see things that are kind of hard to see. So although we appear unhappy, we really aren't. We just need a listener (I got most of this info from a book called Men Are From Mars and Women Are From Venus)
They make themselves unhappy and blame men for their problems when they should be blaming themselves. Only you can make yourself happy. It’s not another individual’s job to do so. If you don’t agree you’re just an asshole 🤷🏻♂️
Lol yeah being surrounded by overly masculine energy, being ignored, told we are wrong constantly, and being fearful for our lives will do that to someone.
Because less men are marrying them to let them steal the man's assets. Plus now more women work and get to deal with some of the stress that men have been dealing with for generations.
Well I've learned to judge people individually and through such meticulous work have found men to be more unhappy. Granted women usually say how happy they are a ridiculous amount inbetween their crazy schedules and drama with other women..
modern women in America are more unhappy than men. they have forgotten why their families worked and want to try to prove they can be just like or better then the men when thats what is making them miserable.
If it's true, which I don't think there's much reason to doubt that there is, it's not surprising.
HOW can they POSSIBLY be unhappy? They've got HALF the money and ALL the pussy!! What else could they POSSIBLY want?
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