Would there be less male depression, suicides, substance abuse & domestic violence if society let men really speak their minds (publicly) about women?

[Anonymous]

In general I feel men are pressured by society to NOT speak their minds about the issues they have about women publicly. If you don’t believe me then just see how often women post openly on social media about their relationship anger, frustrations, heartbreak, “sexism”, etc vs. how often men do it. However internally men feel all the exact same negative emotions but we are trained not to express them. It’s one of the reasons you see guys writing and posting more on GAG. The anonymity gives us a safer place to ventilate.

There are a few reasons why men are more restrained. Part of it is due to some of us being raised to be chivalrous to women. Unfortunately some women see this as weakness and take advantage of guys who instinctively treat women well. Also feminist propaganda says that a man expressing anger (verbally) is “threatening” and “words can be violence”. When it comes to heartbreak we get far less leeway to look like “bitches”. We train ourselves not to cry.

But seriously if men were allowed to speak their minds (including anger) it would actually be a safer way to ventilate. There would be less REAL violence, less depression, less substance abuse, etc. Just because a guy is pissed off it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have self restraint to not take things over the line.

Yes

No

[VanillaSalt]

Not everybody can handle the truth. For instance…

Life is suffering and unfair. People aren’t equal. If your ugly you’ll probably die alone. If your an average looking man and you can’t stand out your probably dying alone. Ignoring society in the eyes of nature women have more value then men. Such is life so cruel so hard…

Do you think the rate of suicide amongst men would go up or stay the same if men understood this as children? Most of these men would be better and avoid women all together or else commit suicide at an increased rate…

also something we forget is perception is often not the same as the truth and more important. who cares if God is real if his words written in a book can lead to millions of deaths in a war? Negative perceptions can take hold regardless of truth and burn down a society that’s necessary.

I have been exceptionally depressed at the state of society as of late… my depression often turns to anger directed to the simple fools that prop up terrible philosophies. I have two things going for me. One is my philosophy on suicide… “I’ll kill you before I kill mussels because of you”. Because of this I would never commit suicide. The other is I actually care deeply for others and hurting someone is the last thing I want to do. I’m fairly empathetic to the suffering of others and open to understanding other points of view…

Imagine your average Joe unable to understand the other sides point of view and unwilling to consider it? All he knows is his hatred for women… Knowledge is dangerous in the hands of someone that don’t understand it and don’t know what to do with it…

[HighlyVolatile]

I don't know, maybe. I went with "no".

By the way, women attempt more suicides than men the last time I checked. They're not necessarily better off psychologically. They're just less violent and lethal in their suicide tempts like overdosing on sleeping pills over a shotgun to the face, and so they survive more often.

I think the way for both men and women out of these things is to embrace accountability and methods of attaining inner peace (Stoicism, Buddhism, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, etc).

[HighlyVolatile]

This idea of trying to make men more like women to ease their psychological problems just misclicks so hard on me with my brain. I think people who subscribe to that seem some spectrum I don't when I see extremities. When I see a man feeling free to complain and vent about everything and everything, that's the man I most worry over the ones who don't complain and vent so much.

I think this idea that men should just open up and become so in touch with their feelings inadvertently creates risks creating some men with the lack of emotional discipline but the testosterone, violence, and aggression of a man. How many people want men wandering around the streets with the neuroticisms of the worst women and the muscles and lethally violent tendencies of a testosterone-filled man? That's fucking dangerous!

Exactly what are we trying to encourage here? There's a tried and tested method in history to tame and civilize a man and that's to turn him into a protector. Encourage him to believe in his own capability to build bridges, not just destroy them. Become a wise judge, a loyal husband, a great father, a great contributor to his local community. That freaking works!

And it's a very scary social experiment to take on as I see it having men sitting in front of some group opening up about their feelings and trying to be in touch with them like some woman. Who's to say such a guy won't become the next serial killer if he's not guided by tried and tested methods to turn him into a protector, leader, provider?

[Asker]

Men used to be able to get angry (verbally) at women and say straight out what they are pissed off about. But that’s now considered “violent”.

[lrina]

i don't think that them not speaking up is the problem here, women should just have less toxic standards; that'd probably be the real help there.

[Asker]

Good point. It’s weird that I noticed that some teen girls seem to have fair minded insights than most. Then when women get older specifically in their early 20s they’ve become corrupted.

Anyway as you get older and start dating you are bound to have some bad (and good) experiences with men. But don’t turn to modern feminism for solace when dealing with bad experiences. It’s poison.

[TryingToBeWoke]

There would be fewer male suicides, depression, substance abuse, etc. if men spoke out about their feelings in general, it doesn't just have to be about women.
Bottling up emotions, especially toxic ones is unhealthy, no matter the gender.

It is upsetting that we live in a society that rips away a male's masculinity for being more vulnerable with their emotions. But luckily there are now organizations that provide a non-judgemental space for men to communicate with other men about more sensitive subjects.

[jshm2]

You are simply asking for toxic male behaviour to be normalised.

[Asker]

“Toxic male behavior” of course. Someone is woke.

[jahaims]

They can in America

[Asker]

Actually it’s more of the opposite in feminized western countries. Men are restrained.

[jahaims]

I speak my mind whenever I choose to. We have the 1st amendment that allows for this.

[Asker]

And cancel culture doesn’t exist? It may be legal but society can give you dire punishment if you dare speak up against something woke like feminism.

[jahaims]

Feminism isn't woke. A feminist is anyone who thinks males and females should have equal rights. I assume you are referring to people that inaccurately use that label. So society does let men speak freely.

[Asker]

@jahaims do you seriously believe that modern feminism is about “equality”. Really?

[VanillaSalt]

Feminism is NOT about equality. Even the original and truest form wasn’t about equality. It was always about women’s rights. Even now feminists have never once pushed an equality they uniquely benefited men. If it benefits both men and women their happy to fight for it but you don’t become a feminist for men’s rights.

The only thing you hear from feminism these days is #killallmen, men are trash, don’t need no man… There’s hundreds of thousands of possible ways to empower men to be on the same level within society as women yet… Where are the feminists? Are they fighting for the right to be plumbers, roofers, drafted? Are they doing away with alimony and child support, fighting against false allegations, defending a man’s importance within the family?

I’m sure you have one somewhere fighting for it but overall you hear man hating and women are oppressed. I’m sure the radical feminists are but a small portion of all feminists but their by far the loudest and the milquetoast feminists arnt stepping up to defend men to such a degree they are in say women’s sports. If women are ahead in 4 ways and behind in 2 feminists fight for the 2 ways women are behind but ignore the 4 ways men are behind…

[Asker]

@VanillaSalt i agree man. I am just shocked a 42 year old man would actually believe that feminism is about “equality” nowadays. That’s crazy.

[jahaims]

If I call myself a Nazi and am pro Judaism that doesn't make me a Nazi. The same thing goes for feminism. If someone calls theirselves a feminist and isn't for equality between males and females then by the very definition they aren't feminists. People being stupid doesn't change the meaning behind words.

[VanillaSalt]

@jahaims that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard… Words, symbols, and movements get hijacked and twisted all the time… Again. If feminism is about equality show me one thing feminists fought for and won that didn’t benefit them.