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You get to decide what you do to yourself and with voluntary others. But the line is crossed when you act against anther person.
Like it or not sexual intercourse is how babies are made. When you choose to have sex you assumed that risk of a dependency for not less than 9 months. That dependency did not get to choose you, and you don't have the right to kill him or her because they are inconvenient.
Nor can you simply be allowed to unilaterally dehumanize anther person to justify their killing. Theses choices MUST be made by a legal process to protect the rights of both mother and child.
Should men ever have a say in a woman's reproductive healthcare choices when women have no say in theirs?
*A husband should in every respect.
*Infanticide is not "reproductive healthcare". Don't bore me with "a fetus is not human".
*Wives have a say in men's "reproductive healthcare choices."
You know that rationalizing abortion is rationalizing irresponsibility.
Keep your knees together and there won't be a problem.
The time to choose is before you screws.
I think he should be able to voice his opinion. In most situations of course. I’ve had a few guys take off the condom during and I nvr knew. My current boyfriend doesn’t like them so he wanted me to go on the pill.
I like the update to the question! 👍💋
Thank you 😊
Ur wlcm.
I mean obviously if it's a parent (in the case of parental approval for children but even then, that's a bit iffy) and I guess if you're in a relationship and it'd impact the guy then yes? But for the whole part, the ultimate and final decision should be for the woman
Wow Ez, talk about a leading question 😘 “This is strictly about whether men should even get a say about what a woman chooses to do with her own body when they are not the ones forced to give up their body's health to carry a child.”
Under most circumstances, obviously not! But if a couple are married, and he wants children, to NOT include him in the discussion… I dont know, it just seems underhanded to me! But I do see your point, and I basically agree.
It if she’s conscious and sane. Ithink they have a right to express their wishes to her but the woman has dominion over herself.
If there’s a life inside her then it’s still her domain over that life.
This why it’s important to protect the woman’s emotions and that of the relationship. That thinking alone would solve most of the social ills.
I'm sick to death of seeing men saying this that and the other about a woman's body, her choices etc and how inaccurate and stupid some of their opinions on certain matters are.
What also frustrates me is that this would never even be a question if the roles were reversed, and infact if certain things were said in regards to taking away choice or forcing men into doing something to their bodies there would be an uproar and many people would say "how ridiculous!".
Absolutley cannot believe we are going backwards in some ways. The world is going to absolute shit.
So in conclusion, no men shouldn't have a say, if you're in a relationship with somebody, communication and joint respect on others opinions etc should be obvious. You can decide together and decide as a partnership, making choices as a couple etc etc.
While I am utterly opposed to the murder of babies in the womb, I can see an argument that abortion has an upside, in that it is almost exclusively Democrats and other leftards who are murdering their babies.
That will result in a longer-term demographic shift toward conservatism in future generations, because tens of millions of future Democrat voters were murdered in the womb.
So, from an unspeakable evil, will come a greater good.
Perhaps the founder of Planned Parenthood, had that in mind.
For as long as women are the ones carrying the baby it's their body their choice.
Let's be real, as much as the term displeases people, it's a parasite. Sure it's human and we love them, still a parasite-host relationship as far as biology goes. We should prioritize the rights of the host. Not of the body that can't live on his own.
No idiot, it's a symbiote, NOT a parasite. Re-take biology.
@msc545 symbiosis includes mutualism, commensalism and yes parasitism.
Babies are not parasites - try again.
They are though in the truest sense of what they do
@msc545 I know that when people thubkmof parasites they imagine larva eating something from the inside out.
Parasites have many shapes and forms. Even a species of fish that after mating the male gets attached to the female and parasites her for the rest of his life. Male is much smaller.
The baby has a parasitic relationship with the mother. No argument there. But with that I don't mean to reduce it's value.
@ez-bri-z you recognized me already haven't you?
In my opinion, it depends on the topic. Although pregnancy and abortion takes place with the woman's womb, a man is required to get her pregnant.
There are men who sympathize with women on this issue and there are those who are unaware. However, to debate whether men should be involved only sabotage the unity women seek on other issues. To push us men out of something only divides and will cause people to fend for themselves on matters they're not prepared for.
So many arguments on this issue and not a single common sense and reasonable has been formed. People have to drop this my way or the highway attitude and seek unity on these matters.
How about Women in general grow the fuck up?
The Femi-Nazis scream that only a woman should be in control of her own body.
Well that is 100% correct.
So why the fuck don't women do the adult thing and take control of their reproductive systems and not get pregnant if they don't want a kid... Are women incapable of doing that?
Also, as to child support. If you want men to stay out of your uterus stay the fuck out of men's wallets. If you can't afford a kid don't get pregnant.
How about men stop having casual sex with women? Im willing to bet you wouldn't even be able to survive 10 months without sex
@shaysh87 When I have casual sex me and my partner make sure we don't create a new life.
Not getting pregnant is not hard to do.
Are you implying otherwise or that women are incapable of taking control of their own bodies and not get pregnant when they don't want a kid?
do you realize why so many women get unwanted pregnancies? because there are PLENTY of men don't want to use condoms. I have went on countless dates with guys who refuse to use condoms and insisting to use the "pull out " method, which does not work. I'm not surprised if naive girls would believe in this BS and give in to him. Then when she gets pregnant, he ghosts her, leaving her all alone with the baby.
why should men have the right to vote on a woman's right to abort, if men just disappear whenever they see a baby? take a look at single parents: vast majority of single parents are MOTHERS, not fathers. why should men have a say in reproductive rights?
if a guy raped me , or ghosted me after getting me pregnant, I SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO ABORT.
No! Never in the eyes of the law.
I’m at odds that men and women that engage in sex have no obligation to one another’s opinions. advocates for men have brought up some very challenging questions regarding this debate.
If you had sex with him I would hope his opinion would Matter to you enough to include him in the decision process. Ultimately it would be up to the women however.
I am not really 100% sure about this. If the guy happens to be the biological father he should have some standing in making the decision. How much standing is up for grabs and above my pay grade.
So in the same thought, should women get to control your masturbating habits because she doesn't want to risk her future children with the ones currently locked and loaded with ones that might come out later? For that matter should she have a say in whether or not you can even get a vasectomy assuming she wants more kids in the future?
damn, things are way too complicated for my limited reasoning capacity. I say I can jerk off if I want to but maybe not get a vasectomy.
it's all good
@Ez-Bri-Z If a male does not ejaculate on a regular basis via through sex or masturbation, the male body will experience "wet dreams" to rid the body of stored up semen.
Are you suggesting women control a male's natural body function of ejaculation no matter how it occurs?
Husbands or partners should definitely get a say, however male dominated societies should not. My wife would have a say in mine if it was decided its time for a vasectomy.
What really disgusts me is if a woman is raped and then is told she has to keep the baby through absolutely no fault of her own as some US states are planning.
If a woman wants men to not have any say in their reproductive rights, they need to do the same for men. Meaning women can't have any say in men getting vasectomies or using the male birth control pills that are making their way onto the market. We know that isn't going to happen because some men will make demands of women and some women will make demands of men. Also politics and religion will also be dragged into the conversation as well. Only further complicating the issue.
Women don't have a say in vasectomy. A man doesn't need her permission to get one
I hate the abortion debate and I have axe to grind with people on both sides. Because a lot of times the need or want for a abortion can very much come down to both men and women being stupid about sex. So a lot of times the solution itself to the issue isn't abortion itself. It's both men and women being smarter about sex. So that the unwanted pregnancy in question never happened. Yet both sides can be quick to shift the blame and act as if a unwanted pregnancy is the fault of the other person. When that simply does not work. Because it to both parties to create that child. Therefor both have a responsibility to ensure that a unwanted pregnancy does happen.
Yes there are situations where abortion is acceptable. Cases of sexual assault being the primary. But there really isn't a situation where abortion is acceptable due to people being stupid about sex. Meaning no protection of any sort in play, NO SEX. Yes that means the pull out method is out and that means that despite one or both parties objecting to the use of a condom, they need to use one because it is the most widely available form of contraception there is.
So how about this instead of getting lost in the abortion debate lets start a putting people through sex ed classes again. Let base it heavy on biology and how reproduction words. So they we can stop all the idiots from trying to avoid taking responsibility for their part in creating a unwanted pregnancy. Because it isn't just the man or woman's fault for one. Because it takes both to create a child.
The thing is, this isn't about sex education, it's whether or not men should be able to even get a say in what choices we make about our own reproductive health.
It's disappointing that so many men on this poll feel they have any license at all to make a decision over a woman's body, but I guarantee they would not want the same in return.
I do think a men's input needs to be considered. But I don't think that means I should be able to completely control what a woman does with her body. Because I don't want anyone to have control over mine. Due to that I am concentrating on my sexual practices. Because I don't want to wind up in a situation where my input isn't considered due to my partner and I not ensuring their is contraception of some form being used. So that means I'm choosing my partners wisely and ensuring that they are as serious about preventing unwanted pregnancy as I am. Not engaging in this hook up culture crap.
Because to me it really does not matter if it's a man or woman doing it. When people are in engaging in hook up's, one night sands or whatever else you want to call it, they are being stupid about sex.
By "have a say" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean fathers somehow being able to override a mother's decision to have an abortion? Do you mean never be allowed to vote (in the case of legislators), veto (in the case of a president), or rule on (in the case of judges) if they are male?
Why are you personally against having an abortion yourself?
At what point does abortion become a matter of not just the woman's body, but the child's life as well? Is it *only* when the child is outside of her? Is there any point when the child is *inside* her when it's life should supersede her wants and desires?
It's a slippery slope if we let one gender make decisions over the health of another person in that way. Why is this the line people draw without taking it further? What if the decision was that all men had to have vasectomies until married to prevent fathering children out of wedlock? Right now, aside from condoms, women are really forced to absorb all the effects of birth control management and that should be able to include options even after they become pregnant.
As for me, I am personally against it because I wanted nothing more than to be able to carry my own child, but due to specific health reasons, I was unable to. I would never want to personally abort any child I would have ended up with, but I also support a person's right to choose what is best for their own health and if that means abortion is right for a person, then let them do it.
I will answer your questions when you have answered mine.
Please clarify what you mean by "have a say."
Interestingly, I am myself pro-choice, yet I usually find myself arguing with fellow pro-choicers than pro-lifers by virtue of the fact that most pro-choicers' arguments are not very good ones.
I don't have a perfect answer for you. If laws were applied as written I'd say that judges could have a say but unfortunately they are people with their own bias (the same bias that let's women walk away with raising children in a custody battle but not a say on whether or not they even want to raise children in an abortion situation).
There is currently a majority support for abortion in this country but the minority of voters put in place judges who are now using their religious bias to overturn a previous ruling made by that same body. Its gross.
I'm not asking for perfect answers. I'm asking for *your* answers.
I am not going to tell someone what to do with their body and I'd expect the same.
Exactly!
It’s murder of a beating heart with a full genetic code. Where is your sense of Morality? Murder, in your own body no less. Your “right” is not greater than Life. If someone stabbed your dad, mom, brother and/or dog to death, like they do to babies, THEN you would want Justice for your family or dog stabbing.
—It’s sickening that we even have to have conversation over something as elementary as this.
IT’S NOT JUST MEN.. STOP IT WITH YOUR RACIST HATE…grow the hell up, really and like you’re like in your 40s.. I’m in my 20s, 😱. Why are you such a man hater. It is MURDER !!! Neither men or women can MURDER !!!
I think they shouldn’t since it’s a woman’s body and she is usually the one that will be dealing with the child then they should have the final say. BUT also note that if you choose to leave men out and tell them they have no opinion or their opinion doesn’t matter don’t be surprised when men are not out there fighting with you for that right.
It is 2022!!!
In this day and age males give birth too. So abortion is a man's issue too.
To say otherwise would be Transphobic.
Men shouldn't have a say because in vast majority of all cases, its the SINGLE MOTHER who has to raise the kid on her own all alone. Vast majority of single mothers dont even get child support. Why should a man who doesn't even need to be a single dad to his own child, Have any say in a womans choice on whether or not she has to raise a kid on her own?
Men have never taken responsibility for offspring. Vast majority of single parents are women.