I do believe in anti-abortion laws but I'm not an extremist. I believe if someone's going to die then I believe it's up to the woman unless the woman is somehow incapable of making a decision then it should go to the next best person whoever that may be could be the father could be a grandparent to the child or something like that and if none of them then I guess it would be to the hospital's discretion.
I also believe a woman who is raped shouldn't be forced to Bear a child. Rather I believe the only people who should be forced to have a child when they conceive one is the people who made a stupid decision. But if it was out of your control in some way then no I don't think you should be forced to have a child and I don't think you should be forced to have a child if you might die.
Also if overpopulation kicks in then I feel abortions should be more readily available however they should also be optional. And as for after the childbirth I don't believe they should be forced to take care of the child. Honestly my bigger issue isn't even birth control it's actually how child protective services deal with children because fact is their system is stupid and does a lot more bad than it does good and if CPS actually did their job correctly then orphans would actually have a semi decent life at the least but no instead generally orphans get shipped off to just other abusive homes and sometimes those abusive homes or even worse then the homes they came from because why the hell not?
As for men? I don't believe any woman should be forced to have their tubes tied I don't believe any men should have something done to their testicles or something like that however if a man has a child with a woman he should be held responsible for that child if the child is born unless the child is adopted or sent off to some organization or whatever.
Even then everything I said is just a loose interpretation of my thoughts it's a lot more complicated than that there's a lot more to it but I am not going to go into that much detail because it will get very ridiculous very fast this is one of those things where if you were going to make a law or a group of laws about it it would take months it would take months just to write it out just to come up with how to word it because there is a lot that would have to be taken into consideration and while these laws should exist they can't be taken lightly they can't just be oh abortion is legal or oh abortion is legal there's so much so so much to take into consideration and I can't stress it enough
Fact is everyone is just viewing it as pro-abortionor anti-abortion but there is so much in between and it's ridiculous people just want to fit such a complicated subject into two tiny boxes like it's a shopping list
Depends on how measured the response is. Like rationing food would be deemed as big government since the government would be attempting/doing regulating individual food choices. But one could argue that's what a government does anyway lol. They won't allow such food imports and stuff that has certain amount of sugar levels and other things. But anyway back to rationing, that can be a positive or needed thing within a society depending on circumstances. In fact rationing just normally could lead to massive decrease in the amount of staving and hungry people sure you wouldn't be able to get a nice takeaway pizza but is that luxury worth other's starving?
And that's my socialist side saying hell no it ain't. Safe to say if the government was ran measured a big government as to put ain't actually a bad thing. And all governments influence and police people's lives it's kinda the point. Otherwise let's just open up prisons. But you can police stuff that maybe seen as bad/fascist to most people for good reasons, just people often are selfish to not realise that. No I want my oversized deluxe pizza meanwhile someone else is digging in a bin.
It really is too late, big government is here and here to stay, Social Security, the ACA, and various other government programs. If you want small government, need to get rid of all those first, stop any talk of socialized healthcare and remove most the laws on the books, that restrict any rights, especially the first ten amendments, the 2nd having way more restrictions on it than any other right.
Ironically, its the kicker... the federal government will get 'smaller' but states will get bigger if in the abortion case.
The Feds are not forcing anyone to give birth, technically states aren't either. Now if you said a state was forcing someone to get pregnant and then give birth, I'd agree.
What law says us women have to get pregnant and then give birth are you referring to? Please list the legal code, I want to look it up.
OK, serious answer. My line of work (farming) is highly regulated by the government, as you can imagine there's quite a few who don't like that, the type that scream "freedum, government can't tell me what to do". The problem is these people are always up to dodgy stuff like not treating sick animals, not feeding livestock, selling diseased animals that should be quarantined, a tonne of financial scams and yes even sexual abuse. These people ALWAYS have an anti government attitude and always scream it when they're inspected or the police visit.
Now I reckon if you look across different proffessions you'll see the same anti government attitude along those who are shit at their jobs, scamming people and up to no good.
For sure. But it's Americans in the Republican Party who want deregulate basically everything. It's always freedom this and freedom that. They always cry about big government and how terrible it is. So why would they want government to control what a women do? Seems to me the ONLY reason is because they know there are feeble-minded individuals who will only show up to vote on that one issue and if they lose them, they lose elections and then they lose power.
No I'm not and I think all Supreme justices should be fired right now this moment because what they just did is against the law
Whoever leaked this to the Press is a hero This is a wake-up call what we just witnessed is what goes on behind closed doors every single day with our politicians they sold out they did it dirty handed trickery behind closed doors It has nothing to do with the law they were bought and sold they were bought we were sold everything that they swore to upheld when they are sworn in office they just went totally against it just like our government officials they become a gang of people they get b o u g h t by big corporations lobbyist people that have agendas to change the world to way they want it that is not following the law what they got sworn in office to do this is a wake-up call Big Time this is why we're so fucking far off track All our government officials are nothing but puppets Rich puppets because they get handed bribes and money to either use for the re-election or put into their bank account their pockets not the American people's pockets This makes me sick to my stomach we just watch firsthand how we are getting fucked every single day and where we are really headed People need to understand what just really happened it's been happening for years but these people just got caught at the highest office is bullshit something has to change
OK I'm from outside the US but the possible overturn of Roe v Wade doesn’t signify ‘Big Government’, at the moment it is a draft legal opinion that is still subject to review.
It occurs to me that having an abortion is the last resort option, women have over 30 other methods of birth control available to them, guys have 4, condoms, vasectomy, withdrawal, and don’t have sex at all.
This draft opinion has left people asking:
Will abortions still be legal? Yes, but on a state by state basis, some states have a codified right to abortion, over 90% would not be effected as they are done in the first trimester, or because of medical need, like an ectopic pregnancy Should I stockpile Plan B? Maybe grab a pack or two. And: Will the ruling affect my access to birth control? The answer to that is no, not directly; The case hasn't anything to do with contraceptives, and no one's access will be impacted.
The final opinion of the Supreme Court is not expected until the summer. Roe v. Wade remains in place until the opinion is signed. Votes and drafts may change up until that point.
"The case hasn't anything to do with contraceptives" Except the same privacy argument was used to strike down a state law against contraception in the 1960's, and many forms of contraception (particularly in those "30" you claim) are claimed by some to be abortifacients. If the egg is fertilised, stopping its implantation is abortion in radical eyes, so that's many of the drugs and coils as well.
They're taking one step at a time. Roe is sufficiently long ago that no current justices were on the bench at the time (unlike the gay marriage decision), and the earlier contraception case would cut down the number of people supporting its being overturned to single digit percentages.
Your argument is flawed. Republicans aren't forcing you to get pregnant; women are the ones choosing to have vaginal sex while they are ovulating without contraception. The birth control pill is the most effective form of contraceptive as it mimics your pregnancy hormones so you don't ovulate. It would be 100% effective if it wasn't for the rare case of women who still ovulate during pregnancy. If you don't want to go with the pill you should have the guy wear a condom; and if he complains just ask him if he wants to pay for child support. Or you could switch to only having oral sex while you are ovulating. Your boobs swell during this time period. Republicans are the party of personal responsibility; you are responsible for your own life decisions. Democrats are the party of big government; don't worry about your life decisions big daddy government will take care of you.
Lol, this is silly. I was a delegate, both parties are on the same side, heck all parties are on the same side. Forcing a woman to have a baby, get pregnant? What are they doing? Raping the woman and throwing her in a room for 9 months.
The woman has "The right to Choose" to NOT have sex. I'm 39 and still single, you can be too. 😂
Oh! And as for the rape thing, it's the same evil government that puts the rapist in jail for 1 year instead of life imprisonment or death penalty like in other countries. Men aren't scared, they know they won't really get in trouble. Just 1 year.
Quite frankly the abortion thing, the rape thing, came from government. Without it, evil wouldn't exist. People would want God as their president, God as their King and his son Jesus who is God.
So one might say one who is against abortion is not only for small government (of man), but no government at all. Let God who owns this world, run this world, and he said... thou shalt not kill
Ignored, yes, but how much sin is there? How much misery? How much crime. As the days pass, more and more people are believing in God less and as the days pass, police officers are getting more and more busy to the point that laws have to he made to lighten punishments and/or make illegal things legal. Can't put everyone behind bars... no room.
Do you deny the fact that rapist are put in jail for only one year in the USA? Don't know if that's in every state, but whenever there is crap in politics like that give or take, it never goes away no matter who is president, governor, senator, congressman or delegate. No matter how much time, it never goes away, gets worse even.
To be honest, I think u r pulling numbers out of your butt...
The average sentence for offenders convicted of rape was 178 months: ♦ 19.1% of these offenders were convicted of an offense carrying a mandatory minimum penalty; their average sentence was 318 months. The average sentence without a mandatory minimum was 145 months. www.ussc.gov/.../Sexual_Abuse_FY18.pdf
I've seen 1-5 years or even no prison time, depends on the state. The thing is that's all they will get after making many of those women go mentally insane from it? Haven't some women said they wished they were murdered instead?
Let’s look at the genetic make-up and psychological make-up of the Woman. Since the Woman is willing to use its Womb as a Hitlerian GAS CHAMBER exterminating Life then at the very least She needs to be Examined. Clearly, Abortionist are serial killers and/or potential serial killers. —You obviously think that a Woman’s choice or Right to kill outweighs purposeful, willing, and premeditated MURDER of Being. .
No, because it always interferes with the work of us small mayors and community leaders. I'm not disloyal to my country, but my family has the right to lead and rule over our town like it did pre-unification, before 1861. Same for all the ancestral families of the area.
Any government, religion or what have you not, that takes away your own bodily rights and Basic human rights and natural behaviors is and will always be a terrible and evil government, religion or what have you not. Never trust anyone or anything that takes away your rights in that way.
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It depends on what you mean by "big government". In general, I support a government that tells people what is right and what is wrong. I do not believe in this mantra that exists in today's America - live as you want and what others do is not your business. I think this is a sick society. In a healthy, stable, cohesive society, everyone is responsible for everyone. Because people just care about each other. There must be some generally accepted norms of behavior, norms of what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is evil, what is beautiful and what is ugly, what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, what is normal and what is out of the norm. When there are no such norms, or when they begin to be aggressively challenged, and this begins to become socially acceptable, it only leads to conflict, division, hatred and toxicity - something we see clearly in today's America.
the government will always be in control. The question if I´m in favor because there will always be other forces in control like. The question should rather be how to adjust to the situation what could do different than throwing around accusations.
If I could, I would abolish the federal government and I would greatly limit the power of state government. To further limit the power of the state, I would allow any county to withdraw from the state, to form a separate state and/or join another state.
Or @DWornock we could just not talk to each other hoard resources from county to county. Who cares if the county next to us needs water... they can all die... right? That's how it should be. We should not try to work things out and we should just continue to perpetuate segregation amongst people that don't think the same.
Or we could stop being assholes to ourselves and just be better. You're too young for me to say ok Doomer but geeze
@Friendlybro79 You don't need big government to trade. Since the Stone Age and before when the largest government were tribes, and long before big governments existed, people have traded. Big governments never aid trading but they often hinder or restrict trading.
@DWornock I understand what you're saying but comparing how things were done in the Stone age isn't a selling point of your idea. Also how granular are you willing to go with the idea? What if a street block wants to be independent from the neighborhood? This would make it harder to do business everywhere. There needs to be agreed upon givens for all. Hence the bill of rights. What's happening today is people don't agree with each other on things. We're never going to. We just need to be better at actually listening to each other and compromising at times. Show an example in the last 50 years of how your idea has and can work in modern society. Honestly asking for you to because I don't see how this can work even in one state.
@DWornock I asked you a question and you answered with a question... Answer my question and defend your position. Remember, I responded to your original post based on the fact you think we should have no Federal government and basically no state government either if anyone feels they don't want to be part of it. Basically your idea is no unity only every man for themselves and barter like cavemen.
Oh the women got impregnates through no fault of their own? I guess if I rob the local bank, I was forced I to because my employer didn’t pay enough or that the government too high taxes.
The problem with all of this is that no one wants to take responsibility for his or her own actions.
Grow up — if you don’t know how you get pregnant, you shouldn’t be having sex
Hun; In case you haven't heard; most Republican states are trying to push through bills that would ban abortions for victims of incest and rape. What kind of twisted f*ck would do something so gross and sick in the head? So disgusting. I hate Biden; but I would support him getting rid of the Filibuster over this. Men have no buisness making laws regarding what females can do with their bodies or anything pertaining to pregnancy. Take a seat; or several.
@Kristy7di88ddd I think you missed your biology class. Once you create another another life, there is another being to consider. Rape and incest are disgusting but what about the innocent life? And Biden can’t get rid of the filibuster — you missed your civics class too apparently. Men make laws because the “fairer” sex operates on emotion and not the right kind
Refresh my memory. Is this the same people who were saying no to vaccines. If my memory serves me right they were saying they believed in not to vaccinate being a freedom of choice therefore the government couldn't tell people what to do. Same conservatives are telling people now that you don't have freedom of choice and must do what government says
Funny. When it's about COVID, all the Karen's hate bodily autonomy. They want big government to force everyone else to wear masks and get vaccinated but when it's about their own bodily autonomy, suddenly they want it.
Women only want government to be strong if it's convenient for them. If it's not, then suddenly you want the government to piss off. Make Up your mind.
It's the Supreme Court. And all the justices who vote against abortion were appointed by Trump or another Republican. Explain why you think it's Biden. Maybe you have no understanding about how things work?
ah ok. when shit happens under the biden legislation, that's never bidens fault. but every shit that happens under trump legislation even if it's not a government body doing it, that's all trumps fault :D i hear you.
well you're the one who always calls me a trumpist for some reason :D just wanted to throw that ball back. so maybe i am classles but hey. we're on the same level ;) so that's fine by me.
by the way, when i'm saying these things about you or biden and whatever, i'm not serious. this is just banter, cause you did that to me. i just find that funny, not trying to be toxic. just some light hearted fun. but the initial opinions here, i was serious about.
@Echosoul you can catch covid from vaccinated people litterally the same as from unvaccinated people and the effectiveness of masks outside of clinical hospital environments was never proven.
by the way i had covid and i disagree that we should be so deadly affraid of it, when they litterally told us that everyone is gonna get it sooner or later. immune system is a use it or lose it situation. you're weakening a societies immunity by reducing exposure.
you know the EU already started a specialized commitee cause apparently their quite high estimation of 1 in 5000 people getting severe adverse reactions was actually low and right now it's already at 8 in 1000? this is just he beginning...
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Thomas Jefferson said the Government that governs best, governs least. We need to shrink the government and get it out of our business. We live in a capitalistic society and it should be the freemarket that makes the big decisions.
okay- yes I am pro choice but there needs to be a decision as to how far along in he pregnancy that an abortion can be allowed. It is more than 6 weeks but it is less than ten minutes before the baby would be born. I am not sure that I know what that is. The Pope and the President are not qualified to make that decision either.
Do you know who "Jane Roe" was, and what specifically lead to the case? She spoke decades afterwards on ABC News about how she lied about being raped and that she lived a life having risky and promiscuous sex. She turned her life around and stated that she deeply regrets the case ever happening and how women bastardized it.
Not exactly. I'm always for laissez-faire. Except in situations where people are incapable of regulating themselves. When a woman has an abortion she has proven she is unable to Regulate the power of a uterus and should be sterilized. It's best for everyone, including her.
If I was the government, I would use big government to kick these religious nuts out and banned them from the country. You want to remove other people rights; I remove your right to be in this country.
No I´m not in favor and I trusted the ruling parties. Maybe people should stop having casual sex with strangers as best as they can, then the abortion problem would be less of a thing that it is now.
True, but only because someone's about to take away a right that's existed since then. The grandchildren, great-grandchildren, of the women who were directly affected by the ruling at the time are now of an age to have children themselves. Many of their parents have been able to have better lives because of that right.
I'm seeing a contradiction. Usually republican = small government and democrat = big government. Both abortion bans and legalizing gay marriages can result from small government, so there's both good and bad for whatever government type
I think medium ground is good. People who want to ban abortions should help get birth control. People against kids should use birth control, not engage in reproduction, or get tubes tied like I did
That's because the Republican Myth Making Machine is always at work perpetuating the lie that they believe in less government. LOL If you look at government expansion rates over the last 60 years, it happened most under Republican admins, except under Trump, who decided to eliminate or underfund government agencies he didn't like.
Probably, because if the leaked Supreme Court draft does turn out to be their actual final decision, more conservative states are going to try and restrict or eliminate abortions (the obvious focus for most people right now, whether you're pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion). Meanwhile, there's the opposite side of the spectrum that very few are considering or thinking about: The more liberal states are probably going to limit or eliminate restrictions on late-term abortions, and those states are the ones with the majority of the country's population, and where the vast majority of safe abortions already take place.
So the only places that pro-life supporters are really getting their way is in Texas and a few other sparsely populated states. They're not getting their way anywhere else. Meanwhile, "reasonable" pro-choice people (or those who are morally pro-life and legally pro-choice like myself), lose out everywhere, legally in more conservative states, and morally in more liberal states.
The only real winners will be those who are hard-core abortionists, and all the politicians and all the activists on ALL sides of this, who will be selfishly and greedily more than happy to highly publicize financially sponsored trips for women by limousine liberals from conservative states to liberal states to receive their abortions (which I predict will happen).
LOL. Except it's really the Republicans who want to tell us what to do. You have been tricked. No surprise there, though. Republicans LOVE the poorly educated. :)
Just don't fall in love with another female because the Republicans will do everything in their power to make it illegal for you two to marry. Republicans are all about focusing on the completely irrelevant so that they can control what u do.
@UCrayCray There is hardly any point to any government if your simply going to declare inhuman anyone who's inconvenient existence your choice brought about had led you to your desire to kill them
No person can have that right, we have elected State governments with a due process of law to debate, and agree upon such definitions of the protection of other peoples rights for a reason.
If you wish to abandon that we can always go back to anarch in which EVERYONE has the same right to dehumanize whomever they wish to kill.
Dude, keep your dick out of pussies that don't belong to your wife and that will solve everything. :) Now kindly stuff a sock in your mouth because your opinions are worthless on this issue.
For you 4 guys that say it's okay if it's only women that would be forced, there's a term for people like you. Anal Orifice.
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Yes, but not because I'm against abortion.
From the "quality" of these low-IQ, parasitic modern adults I see we clearly aren't having enough of them. Might need to start using abortion for it's logical conclusion.
Republicans think unborn child also have a right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Just be responsible when you have sex and there won't be a need for abortion.
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