Do you believe a woman should be able to be voluntarily sterilized in her teens/early twenties? Currently it is very difficult for a woman to get such a procedure unless she already has children as "she'll likely regret it" True or not on that statement, I'm curious why no noise gets made about that, with very much noise being made right now about her body her choice in regards to abortion. It's an especially intriguing question when you consider pretty much anywhere in the US a guy can sign up for a vasectomy at about any age past 18 with no questions asked, get it done outpatient, and that's that.Besides menopause or a hysterectomy the only 100% method.
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2 mo
I find it interesting at this point that 4 women, and 31 men responded. It's only odd to me because in married couples 13.1% of men and 21.1% of women are sterilized through vasectomy or tubal. Most tubals are done within 48 hours of child birth, according to pubmed. Anyway, I suppose women don't care that much about "her body her choice" is the only conclusion I can draw unless the site is overwhelmingly (8:1) filled by men. Especially since most were in favor.
Should US women without children more easily be able to sterilize themselves as US men are able to?
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Smoke-n-Growls | 836 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Sadly, even men get a lot of these "but what about your future wife" bullshit questions, too.
It should be dramatically easier to get sterilized.
I'm Canadian, and while I geared myself up for a fight assuming it'd be similar for me as for an American woman, my GP got me a referral after one visit. And the Gynecologist was very professional, friendly, and had me set after my first visit with her.
I had to tell my (young male Asian) doctor that "Doc, if someone wants a kid, they're not my partner". And that I would much rather regret NOT having kids than regret HAVING them.
Those arguments, alongside my "I have a binder of reasons at the ready" approach, I think helped me push through without much issue.
It should be easier in general for all people to have access to healthcare that will help them be comfortable in their bodies. Whether that's abortions, sterilizations, fertility treatments, or reassignment surgeries.
While I understand the reasoning of "let's make sure", most GPs and institutions - especially in the US - go so far as to make "making sure" more of a "let's convince you otherwise".
You'd think it would be the opposite in the US as we're private parties paying for services. We have the right to shut up, pay our insurance and co-pay for whatever services they feel like giving. I feel that one especially with epilepsy, find a medicine that works well "we want to put you on this one now, so, that's happening"
Oof, that sucks. Yeah, despite Canada having mostly universal healthcare, our prescriptions generally are covered by private insurance unless you go through gov't programs.
I had to pay a premium for the birth control I was on before my sterilization - we'd tried generic brands, but I reacted terribly to them.
I do wish insurance companies were less of a mob scam but they're fuckin scammy and I hate the entire industry.
At least now I know I ought to just use every available dollar at every available turn.
... Why would anyone regret having kids? People regret not raising their own kids if they gave them up for adoption, or doing it poorly, but having them? That is unthinkable.
@monotprise Man, you'd better have a talk with my mother. But, y'know, bring tissues and have a therapist appointment scheduled for after. You'll see what regretting having children looks like.
It looks like abuse, neglect, narcissism, suicidal threats leveled at a 12 year old, and financial abuse.
Unfortunately, people who don't want kids but have them - and regret it; German and US study 7-18% of parents regret having kids.
It's just what happens. Not everyone is ready for children. And childbirth itself is a very dangerous and deadly activity. Fortunately it is mitigated by modern medicine, but it still wrecks the mother's body.
And I've yet to meet a new parent who doesn't at least wish for a bit more sleep and time in a day.
WonderBell99 | 158 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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2 mo
Yes, of course.
If women (who do not want children) want to get sterilized, it’s their choice which must be respected. What the person does with their body should be of no concern to others.
Many cases of unwanted pregnancies can be avoided too. Also, a lot of people are choosing not to have kids these days. Instead of getting abortions, they could undergo this procedure if they feel like they do not want kids in the future.
A lot of men get “He will likely regret it” too. This is a free country. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as they aren’t harming anyone.
This right here. Many people get tattoos they regret, I'm libertarian in my beliefs, and everything you said checks out 100%. I did not have that clarity of mind at your age though lol
If they are firm in their decision, I think we should respect that. The government or any other authorities should not have any say in what people do with their bodies.
and... if you build a wooden ramp for a dirtbike over a canal there's a risk factor, but no one will stop you unless it's a city. Then you might need a motorcycle.
If that same woman wanted to get breast implants and had the cash there would be no barrier, or a guy wanting to get a surgery to make his dick longer. Both are invasive surgeries of varying complexity and are elective as well. If someone has the money, and the facilities are available, they should be free to make decisions they may regret.
Granted my preference is for a woman I can have kids with, but what other people do with their money shouldn't be my business. We pay our insurance/doctors directly anyway. We're not on a state sponsored system.
True, female sterilization is generally inpatient, while male is outpatient, though shouldn't that reinforce the freedom to regret? The reason most won't offer to women under 30 is because something like 20% or higher will regret being sterilized with or without kids under that age, where it's lower than 5% after that. The reversal surgeries are also wildly expensive and ineffective, men tend to run at about 2% regret across the board, the wives at 3% oddly. 1 in 5 compared to 1 in 50 is a big difference before talking about difficulty of procedure.
well you see as a man you can freeze sperm, so you don't have that issue. i don't know how likely a successful reversal of such a sterilization is for women but with a vasectomy, you actually have quite good chances of reversing it.
I never thought about that, and feel stupid that I haven't, men can easily freeze swimmers for a low monthly cost ahead of time, it's more difficult and expensive for women to freeze eggs, though they can, and getting their tubes tied doesn't affect the uterus.
The irony being if they want to harvest eggs before being sterilized there'd be a period of time being ultra-fertile before not having it at all, the see-saw there makes for an interesting paradigm shift.
but generally i think for women the risk of serious complications is quite high with the methods we have. so since it's a way higher risk surgery, i would think it is actually sensible to say that this process is "inherently" less easy...
I don't know what number would ever be enough, I have 4 kids, and want more. If other women, you know, the ones I'm not sleeping with, want to make these decisions, I do not care, and just find it humorous how hard they'll push for the ability to have abortions anywhere at any time, but not to have the same to prevent becoming pregnant in the first place.
It is, so is the foster system, numbers have been falling for people entering both, in America at least, since the housing crash, slight bump around 2016-2018, then it drops off again.
So do you think men should have their balls protected more or that women should have easier access? I mean, I don't want to make assumptions on which way you might be leaning on that one lol
Interesting, I had assumed it was at least 18, but I was wrong. Medicaid won't pay until 21 for men or women. For men the minimum age is 16, for women there is no minimum. So if you can find the cash, and a doctor willing to do it, you could get tubals done on your children before they even know what reproduction is, but for a man it's 16, unless he wants to be a transformer and do away with the whole kit.
I agree with you, that's a service that should not be available until someone is at least 18, and then freely available if they have the cash. I also think giving children drugs or surgery to be transformers is gross child abuse as well, but that's just me. That's crazy though, depending on being a legal adult and of sound mind you can get a vasectomy, makes sense. Being a female and finding a doctor who will take the cash, any age. Maybe I had this whole thing backwards, there is no end of people who will do jacked up things to their kids.
Whether it's harder to reverse or there are other options is irrelevant, either it should be difficult for men as well, or easier for women. Either making babies is important as a whole to the medical community, and our policy makers, or it isn't.
Anyway, men are already only 49% of the population, further reducing the amount that can reproduce is not a great idea long term as far as genetic diversity goes. Maybe it could be interesting a few thousand years from now and the selective breeding makes people like breeds of dogs. More likely it would just be horrifying though
Exterminatore | 1.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Yes. 100% if they are sure they do not want children ever.
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I don’t know why it’s expected that women take control of birth control. Very little option exist for men, basically only vasectomy and condoms, each with their own drawback.
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notwoke | 590 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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based on certain factors, it should be mandatory for some
I disagree, genetic diversity is important for those willing to have kids, even if we're moving in an idiocracy direction. Forcing eugenics would just reward one ideology, race, religion, what have you, but not be able to shape intelligence or behavior from genetics meaningfully as we don't understand it well enough.
If it's something you're dedicated to doing though you could make a cyclotron to create highly radioactive isotopes (how heavy depends on the size of your cyclotron), put them in a lead tube with a slide, and point it at people's crotches. You could also make a shitload of money from your cyclotron processing chemo drugs.
Or spend 100,000 for a neutron generator, but that would be more likely to cause cancer/death than simply bust those gametes into non-viability.
Hmm, I did not know that, from what others are saying a picture is starting to form in my mind, like large providers have some concrete rules there, and independent ones will act more autonomously. Is that close to the mark?
My friend had a child at 16 and another at 17 by a much older women, he tried to get a vasectomy at ,21 but was turned down by multiple Drs as he was "to young and vasectomies aren't really reversible"
Your friend was a victim, but no one will acknowledge that because he's a guy, just "how lucky" "man up". That's jacked up. I hope he's in a better spot today.
I'd argue the only real difference with becoming an adult is making more mistakes to learn from. It's not like I hit 20 and suddenly divorced my cheating wife and stopped being a simp... wait, that is what happened. Anyway, I'm a fan of letting people make mistakes and regrets, even if they're permanent ones. Huff keyboard duster and drive a motorcycle, smoke some crack, rawdog a hooker, do that whole yolo thing
I've always been curious about that one myself, I know when I get older I'm still going to want to get with younger women. But within the next ten years or so, won't want to be having new kids while trying to buy more property and retire, the two are a little incompatible, and I don't want to be running around the park at that point until I have grandkids lol
At your age I could see knocking a girl up because she's younger and I just care so so much or whatever (blinded by the puppy love), but at say 55, that's just not giving a damn. I'm not going to be around for that high school graduation, or at least not in a meaningful way.
@razelove my father had me at 45 - he died at 62. With his anal retentiveness - could of seen me graduate college - on my terms - but chose to fuck my life up. I graduated college the semester after he died (2002) - 20 years. I got my degree. But - he also didn't see me getting bitch slapped by society - getting high blood pressure, and a whole host of sicknesses. in addition to - Im taking 4 more meds than him when he was alive (end stage renal - diabetes) I mean shit - If I get someone younger - I know Id probably be dead of a stroke if its a girl - being the protective dad - or a boy - if he scratches my car..
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