Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThe problem is politicians just take advantage of these situations to get votes or make money. Guns are protected by the constitution. Stop wasting your time going after gun rights and just adapt. Give teachers gun training. Beef up school security. Pay attention to mentally ill children who have obvious red flag signs. The school shooter didn’t even graduate school, was posting weird stuff on social media, and his guardians STILL bought him a gun for his 18th birthday? Obviously his guardians were dumber than him if they did that. His whole family is retarded. These kinds of shootings can be prevented in so many different ways than just saying “ban all weapons”.
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Agreed, the effort to make this happen isn't matching the outrage.
Please remember the same politicians sending out thoughts and prayers for Uvalde, were for the most part, the exact same politicians who send out thoughts and prayers during Sandy Hook.
How are they still in office?
Who voted them in?
Exactly. That's on us as Americans.
If we're going to hold politicians accountable, we need to hold who put them in positions to make foolish decisions accountable as well.11 Reply- +1 y
@Nawlins34 hello! You asked the same question I have been asking - who let them in?
You brought a great point about the same people were there for Sandy Hook. How long ago did that happen? They must have been there for Columbine as well.
They always sound so convincing that they will do something to stop mass shootings, but that is just to placate the people until some time passes and nothing happens to solve the problem. The whole thing is disgusting! Thank you for your opinion. ☮️
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3.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Not necessarily. The problem is rather that Americans do not realize that not every problem has a solution. Rather some problems are just difficulties that must be managed as best they can be.
This being particularly true of mass shootings. These are events that have some general social causes, some but not all of which are of a political and legal nature. Other factors, however, are particular to the individual perpetrators and accounting for each of those factors is a difficult, if not impossible, thing to control.
The real problem, insofar as it can be managed, is family and institutional breakdown, including an increased tolerance for socially deviant behavior. This undermining the very tools by which society could manage such crimes.
Once upon a time families were cohesive units that afforded the individual both a protected environment for dealing with the individual's problems and who also, when those problems became serious, had the authority to turn to outside authorities for help.
Think in the case of the Texas shooter. There is every indication that he was experiencing serious mental stress if not outright mental illness. Yet there was no one there to help him. His father was not in his life and was separated from his mother. He was not living with his mother who is, in any case, a drug addict. The grandmother was trying to help him, but she was married to a man with a criminal record and thus it must be presumed was often dealing with her own problems.
Thus there was no one there for the shooter. He has no family in any real sense and therefore his "first line of defense," of people who could care for him and help him as his problems grew, was simply not there.
Add to this that society's attitude toward the law has changed. Once upon a time the law was there, first and foremost, to protect the community. Second to punish the guilty and third. - and least of all - to reform the criminal if possible. Yet beginning in the 1960s that pattern began to be reversed and although the emphasis shifts back and forth, law is now more concerned with the rights of the mentally ill and the criminal than it is with containing their wider impact.
The institutions of society - family, church, law, business, the professions - are deemed "elite" and intolerably oppressive. The culture that such institutions tend to foster - of respect for tradition, mutual obligation to one's fellows and a sense of community - thus perish. The individual is then left alone and untethered to rant on social media and be ignored. What he says and writes in public is no one's business after all -- until it is too late.
To glue together even part of this moral and cultural infrastructure will be extremely difficult. Moreover, again, this does not even begin to address the case specific issues with any mass shooting. The bottom line being that the moral and cultural infrastructure necessary to head off these episodes is in tatters, and thus the tools that might begin to manage this problem are too weak and will so remain until cultural attitudes change.
Until then, expect much more blood to be shed.10 Reply- 9.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
u +1 yDemocrats want to change gun laws and this gives them a plausible excuse to "demand" change but it doesn't happen and it gives them something to complain about when they are on the campaign trail.
Republicans simply want to resist whatever Democrats want.
And the Second Amendment places limits on gun control.
But arguments about gun control miss the point. Mass shooters obviously do not follow the law and they won't follow gun control laws, either. So changing the laws about gun ownership probably won't have much effect. Look at NYC and Chicago; they have very strict laws about gun ownership and they still have extremely high homicide rates.
There are measures other than gun control that could reduce mass shootings, which focus on security at schools, but those carry a hefty price and that seems to be a stumbling block for many people.
Ultimately, we don't want to confront the reason why school shootings are so common. Gun ownership in the first 75 years of the 20th century were very lax and we never had school shootings. What is different is the brokenness of families, the open disdain of religions, the tolerance of school bullying, the isolation of kids caused partially by living their lives in a digital world, and the overload of media coverage when a school shooting occurs.10 Reply 5.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Change what?
It can't be proven that guns cause crime or that more guns = more crime. In fact, there is evidence that where gun ownership if restricted, there is more gun violence.
Gun control advocates believe that restricting citizen access to common firearms is the only solution. But where is their evidence? Mass murders take place in "gun free" zones. The cities with the strictest gun-control law have the highest rates of murders.
Should we surrender a fundamental, self evident, unalienable, natural right on the word of politicians, celebrities and ideologues?
Instead of attacking the rights that people already have, why don't any of the pontificators ever talk about the actual causes of crime? What forces cause a person to snap? It couldn't have anything to do with our culture, could it? Yeah, that's a complicated subject that nobody, especially the powers that be, want to address.
Even still it's important to note some facts.
Up to 2020, annual firearm-related homicides hoovered below 16,000. To put that number in perspective, over 40,000 people die from accidental falls, poisonings and motor vehicle accidents every year. So 16,000 isn't a very big number.
Firearm-related homicides rose to around 20,000 since the beginning of the covid panic and "emergency measures". Any correlation?
The FBI says that 80% of firearm related homicides are gang related. So even if we use the current 20,000, it means that 4,000 murderers were not gang related. Nevertheless, most of those were related to robberies and other crimes.
There are 330 million citizens, 66 million of whom are under the age of 18. You can count on your hands how many have committed mass murder with a gun.
And out of over 80 million legal gun owners with over 300 million firearms, how many have used guns to commit crimes?
Maybe instead of passing even more, useless, anti-gun legislation, we should try to figure out what turns a person into a pressure cooker that is going to explode.10 ReplyI believe that the most tragic part is that no one has really defined what this phenomenon is, or what environmental factors are acting as a catalyst. How do we protect our kids from our kids? No one has produced a universally agreed upon definition. Without it, our ability to create a permanent solution will never become a reality. Our current strategy then is to protect the staff and students. Not by introducing firearms to school staff. That's a nightmare just waiting to happen. But, by creating an escape route for them.
10 Reply5.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. They're not forgotten, they're just added to the seething discontent with the government as a whole, when it should be more targetted at the Republican party, the two-party system, and the 10% of voters that can ensure that a Republican politician won't be re-elected if they support the slightest gun control. For the first 200 years of the Republic, it was patently obvious to everyone that the government could impose reasonable controls on firearms. But seething discontent is good for right-wing politicians.
00 Reply3.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. The couple of schools that I have been in lately. Your had to be let into the office buy an office worker. Before you were let into the school. You had to give your name and reason to enter the school. Then sign out when you left.
I find it hard to believe people can enter a school with bad intentions. When those protocols are in place.
Plus the gun free school zone law doesn’t seem to be working?10 Reply8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. The change that is demanded is always for firearms to be taken from all law-abiding firearm owners, who need them to protect themselves from the violent criminals who commit the mass shootings and other violent crime. That's not going to fly, especially since the police have no legal responsibility to protect people.
02 Reply5.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I agree. This is an old problem and perhaps one of the biggest issues that the United States has.
This is simple and complicated at the same time and unfortunately these mass shootings won't stop.10 Reply- 8.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yCertainly looks that way. And, you know what, if all those people had guns, those SHOOTERS would be dead!! Problem solved!! You'd have to be PRETTY GOD DAMNED CRAZY to want to go into a room full of ARMED people and try to kill a bunch of them!!
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Anonymous(18-24)+1 yAbsolutely. Biden came out with a big speech like all democrats do but at the end of the day they may preach gun control and banning guns to get reelected but in practice they are accept money from gun lobbyists to do nothing.
10 Reply3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Yep song has been sung over 20 years now. As long as you have two parties almost 200 years old now still around you will never see change.
10 Reply26.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Yes, it is a problem without a solution. If anyone really wanted to fix this it could be done but the cure would be pretty extreme and politicians won;t go out on a limb on it.
00 Reply4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. People don't really care about school shooters and they don't have a big reason to, considering even when it comes to shootings that kill kids, it's way behind the list.
00 ReplyWell, we’re the only country in which this happens. Lawmakers are controlled by money like a banana republic, but here it’s legal through lobbying. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
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No. It’s legal because of the CONSTITUTION.
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Oh I didn’t realize the gun lobby was active in the 18th century.
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Guns were legal in America long before gun lobbyists.
However I know you’re looking for a convenient scapegoat to confirm whatever biased narrative you’ve been led to believe.
It is interesting though that you’d think the Constitution isn’t a legally binding document. It’s been informative. - +1 y
@Agagagagaga lol I’ve been led to believe! Well, surprise surprise, your republican lawmakers are being paid handsomely to ensure guns are easily available. So, guess what? You’re being told it’s to protect your rights, while innocent lives of kids are being taken.
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701 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. the NRA had politicians in their back pocket bad they are slowly losing their hold so real sensible laws can pass
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+1 yWith so many school shootings that last 25 years, why don't all schools have proper seecurity protocols?
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThat's the way it works.
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@Wonderwhat this is so wrong 💔. I see the families of the 19 children that were killed in their elementary school. I keep hearing them say they will never forget them. But it just keeps happening and no one puts any effort into changing the laws. It's just too hard to watch on TV knowing all along nothing will change. So sad!
Opinion Owner+1 yYes this why I want to move to a Scandinavian country. The bs republicans blaming it on mental illness when the guy who purchased the gun was mentally stable and angry at the world. The right wing thinks everything is communism, but the Scandinavian countries are socialist because the tax payer funds everything. Blame it on right wing picking on mentally ill people and saying communism. They think it's mental illness but the guy is stable he's just an evil man. Not mentally ill.
Opinion Owner+1 yThey care about children's safety they only care about there jobs and money I think. I don't know. But some people want Trump. I don't get it so I'm moving out the country.
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@wonderwhat Good. Have fun in Sweden. Hopefully you fit in there. They even like immigrants less than America does.
1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. No, I disagree
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Anonymous(18-24)+1 yYes i do
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