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It's normal for people to lie when scared, or in opposition to an authority so yes.
Nope it's quite literally psychological proven that it is normal to lie when scared or in opposition to authority. It's how stress works, and if your one of those people who say only the guilty would have anything to be stressed then there is no point talking further.
Because that's just a dumbass argument, of course innocent people would feel stressed by been questioned by the FBI in many cases.
Break the law of lying to FBI? well there is enough reasoning to make the argument that people will lie so they shouldn't be punished unless if they are lying to cover up something they did that is the crime their investigating. Punishing someone because they were stressed is called stupidity.
Funny how the only people indicted for lying to the FBI over minor things are Democrats, isn't it? Lying about who you're working for, or who you're having an affair with - only a problem for Democrats. Lying about whether you tried to take over the government of the United States? That should be OK.
Ah nevermind then. I am talking to idiot Innocent people do get stressed it's literally normal to get so. But you never studied basic psychology in your entire life and this is it showing. Anyone who makes the argument of innocent people don't lie have no clue what on earth there on about.
A much easier way to prove my point is "According to the National Registry of Exonerations in the United States, 27% of those on the registry who were accused of homicide, but were later exonerated, gave false confessions."
Look innocent people lying? which you just said innocent people don't?
Were these innocent people not stressed because only guilty get stressed when questioned right?
Still no paper, but I take your point. Also, I think the Innocence Project is a really good thing. I still think a Republican lawmaker asserting his "right" to lie to the FBI is a very dangerous thing. There's still a big difference between false confessions and lying to avoid conviction.
Well I did say "unless if they are lying to cover up something they did that is the crime their investigating"
It's against the law to obstruct the law but if one does it by stress or just been dumb or something else that shouldn't be looked upon harshly. If someone obstructs the law but directly on purpose to get away with a crime then that should be of course.
If you lie to these people it's a crime
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No! Lying, or in some cases just misremembering something that later turns out to be false, can get you a couple of years behind bars! Never talk to the FBI without an attorney present. This is not like the local police, if the FBI do not like what you are saying you can and likely will face prosecution
It shouldn't be but it is since Obama and Biden weaponized it. The FBI is almost as trustworthy as used car salesman. Trump or DeSantis, once elected, should fire all high ranking officials in the FBI and DOJ. There are plenty of un-corrupt middle level agents to promote.
So far? The only possible next step is to say that people who think that 3% (iirc) of internet traffic to a particular Russian site from one building in America is strange. It is. It may not have been proof of a crime, but it's not normal.
Prove that Sussman was working on behalf of Clinton at the time he made that information known to the FBI. You think Trump asking Russia on national TV to interfere in the election was not a problem, but Sussman must only have reported a potential crime because he was working for Clinton.
u "I have no recollection of that, senator."
- Robert Ritter, Clear and Present Danger
I don't see how congress can legitimately pass a law disregarding 1st and 5th amendment. In both abridging our rights to our freedom of speech and rights to avoid self-incrimination before domestic enforcement agents Congress is not under the same 11 page FEDERAL constitution suppose to even have.
The 1st allows you to lie, and its only mitigated by an oath to the contrary which cannot be compelled under the 5th. Thus merely talking to anyone absence any voluntary oath cannot legitimately be held by the federal government bound by theses amendments as a crime.
"While the Fifth Amendment provides individuals with the right to be free from self-incrimination, otherwise known as the right to remain silent, there is no constitutional right that provides the freedom to lie to cops. Not even the First Amendment's freedom of speech will protect a person if they are caught lying to police. "
www.findlaw.com/.../
@goaded
The first amendment bans congress from making any law abridging your freedom of speech, a lie is as much a form of speech any other belief. You can only voluntarily and temporarily cede this right by oath.
The fact that hand picked federal politicians in black robes will kidnap and punish a man for lying to their agents having never agreed to tell the truth is only proof of their despotism, not loyalty to anything other than their own desire for power.
Democrats do it all the time, so I’d imagine it is. But the FBI is a corrupt arm of the Democratic Party, so Democrats are given a free pass.
Ah, the famed Republican respect for law enforcement. Unless it is being enforced against their crimes.
Do you know what DARVO means? ↗
u for any politician yes, lies are absolutely normal
that's their primary way of life
to the FBI, to the CIA, to the DEA, to the Congress, to the SCOTUS, to their party... to the people
to their spouses, children, mothers and their grandmothers
to everyone and anyone, because they're politicians
and ESPECIALLY to the FBI, as they are the ones more likely to get them jailed
oh I just noticed you're not American, maybe that's why this is so surprising or shocking to you... lol
most of them get away with it... that's precisely why they keep doing it
the Clinton's got away with it... the Trumps got away with it
being on either side of the political spectrum makes no difference, both can lie and both can get away with it
oh no, it is wrong, it's not right at all...
but, politicians down here do not care one bit about wrong or right, lies are just to get their way
it is not right no, but it is normal, yes... common is a better word to describe it
seems to be acceptable by American voters' standards...
but no, is not right nor acceptable
we're just a strange lot, around here...
Hillary Clinton’s lawyer, Michael Sussman, was caught fabricating the entire Russiagate scandal and he got off Scott free.
No, he wasn't. That's utterly ridiculous.
He brought one indication of possible communication between Trump and the Russians (Alfa Bank) to the attention of the FBI. It was at least credible enough to be investigated. The ONLY thing he was accused of was telling the FBI he wasn't working on Clinton's behalf when he told them about it, and in that particular case he may or may not have been. Reasonable doubt. Nothing like "fabricating the entire Russiagate scandal".
So you accept that your "fabricating the entire Russiagate scandal" claim was wrong. That's a start. The question is whether he was reporting the suspected crime because he'd been asked to by Clinton (which would have been the full extent of the lie to the FBI), or whether he was doing it because he was made aware of a suspected crime while working for Clinton (in which case there was no lie). The jury presumably decided they couldn't tell, and it wouldn't have helped that that pursuing it was a massive waste of their time.
No, Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, testified under oath that Hillary Clinton personally approved plans to share allegations of Russian Collusion with the FBI. The whole Russiagate scandal was invented by the Hillary Clinton campaign. It was one big lie and everyone’s going to get away with it accept the one guy who took a plea deal for lying the the FBI.
It really wasn't. The FBI investigation was initiated after the Australian government notified American authorities that its diplomat Alexander Downer had a chance encounter with Papadopoulos, who boasted about possible access to Hillary Clinton emails supposedly held by the Russian government.
Did Clinton take advantage of it? Of course, she's a politician.
No, it started because Sussman went to the FBI with evidence that concerned computer scientists found secret communications between Trump tower and Russian oligarchs. Sussman lied to the FBI and told them that he wasn’t affiliated with the Clinton campaign because no one would have taken Russiagate seriously if they knew it originated from a meeting between the FBI and Clinton’s lawyer. A meeting that Hillary Clinton personally approved.
No, that's a lie. The FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation started July 31, 2016, Sussman didn't go to the FBI until that September. Well after McConnell had refused to make a bipartisan announcement defending US democracy from Russian interference.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Crossfire_Hurricane_(FBI_investigation)
www.rollingstone.com/.../
Sorry, the information that Sussman didn't go to the FBI until months after the FBI investigation started was from here: www.foxnews.com/.../michael-sussmann-not-guilty-special-prosecutor-john-durham
I see, the corruption is deeper than I thought if the CIA was in on it as far back as July. So I may have been wrong about court documents showing that Hillary’s campaign fabricated the entire collusion hoax.
However court documents do show that Hillary’s campaign fabricated evidence to convince the FBI to take Russia-gate seriously. There’s indisputable proof that Sussman lied to the FBI by telling them he wasn’t affiliated with the Clinton campaign. Why did it ok for Hillary’s lawyer to lie to the FBI?
No. (It's amazing how every one of my posts here seems to start like that.)
They may (even that's disputable) have asked if he was there on behalf of Clinton, that's not the same thing. There's no way they didn't already know he was associated with her.
And, still, 8 convictions based off what you'd love to think was a hoax is pretty damned impressive. Trump can stand up in front of a crowd and ask Russia to help his election, and you think that's perfectly find and normal. It's nuts.
It’s normal for the fbi to lie to you.
Im sure for the agents its normal. Especially when asking about Trump or sexual assault.
The FBI is in the tank with the democrats. They no longer have any integrity. J. Edgar Hoover would roll over in his grave.
Americans can’t even agree on what justice is now. The FBI is nothing more than a political cudgel to be used on politicians enemies.
@DarkWinterNights No, justice is understood by most people to mean holding people accountable for any crimes they have committed. Just at the moment, Republican leadership have committed a whole lot of crimes, so holding them accountable may feel political, but it's not.
Let me know when any of them sit down in front of the committee and answer questions for 11 hours without taking the fifth, lying, or admitting to a crime.
there is a laptop and photos. We have Biden on video telling people he held up a billion dollars of foreign aid if the Ukrainian government did not fire the guy who was investigating his son. There is a business partner of Hunter who will be willing to testify under oath. Nobody has looked into any of this stuff. The FBI and DOJ will turn over every rock except the one where the evidence is.
I’m still stunned that Trump got impeached for asking questions about Biden on video admitting to bribing a foreign government to fire an investigator that was investigating his sons business dealings.
@DarkWinterNights @exitseven Perhaps you should look at the facts instead of what you're being told by liars. Everybody in the west wanted that prosecutor gone because he was corrupt. Also, he was not investigating Burisma.
As to the laptop, as far as I know, it is being investigated. Why do you expect instant results from that but not from, say, contempt of congress charges?
The one that I remember was the woman who had videos of fake ballots being unloaded from a white van in the middle of the night outside a polling place. The democrat board that heard the allegations said that they could not tell that all those white pieces of paper that were the same size as ballots were actually ballots. Then the whole matter was swept under the rug. And then there was the suitcases full of ballots that were under the tables that were dragged out after the poll workers and press had gone home. Nobody ever explained what was in those suitcases. They just said it was not worth pursuing. You could probably gat elected secretary of state someplace, you have all the qualifications.
Politicians lie to everybody, no exceptions.
But many get caught
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