Would you be happy to see America fall down or sad?

[Anonymous]

Right now America is falling down. How would you feel about it?

I am happy

I am sad

I have no feeling

Result

[nightdrot]

Voted B. Indeed, aside from the fact that as I am an American living in America and that such a fall would likely impact my life in a very negative way, it ignores what America has brought to the world and what its' loss would mean.

Suffice to say that the United States is not perfect. It has made many errors at home and abroad. However, imagine a world absent the United States. Imagine the end of World War II or the Cold War without the United States. Indeed, what are the stories of literally millions of people trying to immigrate - legally and not - into the United States telling the world about where it exists in man's moral imagination.

To simply shrug in indifference to the fall of America is to exhibit the most profound ingratitude. It is to show that much is taken for granted and that those who would be indifferent to or even happy about America's fall exhibit the worst in the modern culture. A culture that emphasizes a profound sense of entitlement and a belief that when they do not get what they want when they want that a grotesque injustice has been done.

It also, as alluded to above, shows a profound ignorance of history. For all its mistakes, the United States has been, on the whole, a force for good in the world, both at home and abroad. Indeed, whatever else, the USA, like few other nation's, has demonstrated a profound desire to improve itself. To, in the words of America's founders, "form a more perfect Union."

Perfection is not given to mortal beings. What is given to such beings is that they have the capacity to choose good or evil. Americans do not get it right all the time, but it cannot be disputed that few people, few nations, on Earth, have tried harder and more consistently to debate the nature of right and wrong and to strive to implement it as best fallible beings can.

To take that away from humanity would not just be sad. It would be the harbinger of a new dark age - and it would not be pleasant.

[N192K001]

A mix.

the original United States of America already fell centuries ago. Using the same standard of history as other jurisdictions, the U. S. under the 1781 Articles of Confederation would be the 1st republic, while the U. S. under the current 1789 Constitution would be its 2nd republic. The 2nd republic of the U. S.'s replacement is simply inevitable. The only question is "When will it happen?"… & "What will the new form be?".

This has happened all across the globe. How many dynasties has China had? Egypt? Russia? Thailand? And the U. K., the U. S.'s former colonizer? Korea has had 6republics so far. I'm from the Philippines, which is currently on it's 5th.

The ruling-class will always change, but the nation remains… for so long as the shared sense of nationhood remains. A nation is its people, not the government. This should be remembered, and the sense of nationhood must be guarded if the nation is to continue to exist in whatever manifestation.

On the other hand, I don't trust the current rulers, politicians and self-interested "experts" to re-write the new 3rd Constitution with the citizenry's rights reasonably intact & the government sufficiently restrained to chain the powerful from the abuses they want to do.

In a totally different manner: In 1sense, I'm glad to be a dual-citizen of a rising Philippine Republic, so I still have a backup and don't have to be depressed. I've witnessed a 3rd-world nation rise to a newly-industrialized nation, so I know bounce-backs are possible, even for the U. S. But on the other hand, I pledged myself to contributing to the well-being of the Union, so I can't help but feel saddened to see something I care-for deteriorate.

It's a mix of emotions.

[JustiReno]

Glad to have you on board 🇺🇸 🇵🇭

[N192K001]

@JustiReno Thanks! (Sorry for the late response. I've been offline for a few days due to stuff.)

[Julie4]

I will be shocked and sad if such things happen.


I know what my country owes in gratitude to the United States and its soldiers who died to help liberate it during the two world wars.


Add the American victory during the Cold War. It was better for the world that it was the USA that won this war.


You can also add the enormous contribution of the United States to improving human conditions, through the progress it has made possible through science, technology, medicine, etc.


The USA are not perfect, they made mistakes, for sure. But like my country, and the majority of countries in the world.

[Marshymallow]

You make it sound like it’s that easy for a whole country to crumble. What an irrelevant question smh

[JustiReno]

I’m from Seattle and when I go downtown it looks like the freaking apocalypse. North End is coo tho 😭

[Agagagagaga]

Whole countries do crumble. It’s not unthinkable and has happened throughout history. What a ridiculous belief. Smh.

[Marshymallow]

Not gonna happen in your lifetime Agagagaggagagagaggagaga

[DaveJord]

Its really hard for me to get happy or sad about it... people in this country deserve better but we act so poorly to each other, and for all your flaunting of education are all pretty stupid idiots. I am just tired of it all... these woke types, LGBTQ, Proud Boys, COVID flip jobs, and god knows what are all sheep ripe for the slaughter.

Open your eyes jack asses, as long as we keep fighting among ourselves they keep winning.

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t know. I’m not even sure I want to live out my life here. The government is whatever, I don’t pay attention to that no matter who is in charge. It’s more just who our citizens are. I’m not very impressed and I’m not sure I want to spend another four decades around them.

[MCheetah]

Sad. And it's been falling down for a WHILE now. At the earliest, 2015, but more realistically, since the 90s, at least. I hate to see my country sink like the Titanic. And who exactly is going to replace us as the world superpower? China? Yeah, GOOD LUCK with 100 years of Communism...

[NamerOfStars]

Sad. I don't like needless suffering. And while the US is far from perfect, it's currently WAY better than any of the competition for global superpowerdom. No one's in a position to take our place, but of those who eventually COULD, who would you prefer? China?

[ChrisMaster69]

It won’t fall, if it slips there is no place other than Europe that can really fill the void.

places would like to, however they are mainly places with zero innovation, invention and simply copy.

The world would stall and progress would be really poor.

look at the world since the first industrial revolution or even the 2nd one, where innovation and invention takes place.

[JustiReno]

I’m sorry but asia doesn’t simply copy - that would be a mass understatement. Their cities are way more modern than ours, shit roads in Bangkok Thailand look better than Seattle, WA

[ChrisMaster69]

@JustiReno name an invention or innovation.

Yes they can build cities wow.

You get that when you have a shit load of land and need a new city for your population.

Okay roads are better, in places, try China where roads are great then, bang 4 lanes in to one or huge holes in the road

Innovation and invention.

It copies.

[JustiReno]

What’s your job buddy? What would America be without Asians for real are you kidding me? MIT is over 40% Asian bro? Take away Asians and Jews from this country and what you have left?

[ChrisMaster69]

@JustiReno I am on about countries not ethnicities

Why are they going to MIT and not some Asian universities?

Oh it’s technology.

Anyhow, original question, last 200 years name 10 inventions from Asia?

If you ask any western country they will tell you they keep R&D well away from likes of Chinese, yes they can manufacture, do rapid tooling but actually coming up with ideas in the first place…

Some areas such as Japan are great at taking something and improving or adapting the original.

If you go to say Milan, you will see Chinese buying shoes to take photos, make copies.

If you work for a tech company, where is your R&D located, US or Asia?

Yes you might have high Asian work force, however they are in a Western country.

[JustiReno]

Dude, china has millions of computer programmers and they have their own OS and software. Do you understand how innovation works? It usually starts in top end uni and if marketable is made into a product. What innovations have they made? Why would they tell the USA like we wouldn’t copy it too. Did we not use the Germans to go to space? The Jews to make the bomb? Now Asians run our biggest tech companies, if you think their is no innovation in Asia then how come there is so much investment? I’m with you America is a unique country, and a strong country, but to say they didn’t invent anything is ignorance. Have you been to china or you watching SerpentZA too much?

[ChrisMaster69]

@JustiReno name 10 inventions then.

Last 200 years.

[ChrisMaster69]

@JustiReno been to China a lot, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Shanghai, etc and Korea to both Samsung and LG,

Last time I checked Germany was in Europe, your reference to the Jews was referring to those in Europe for a few centuries.

Anyhow 10 inventions last 200 years.

[JustiReno]

I’m not an expert in this subject… but bro people in china are finding out new shit all the time, innovating all the time, Ford made the first car not the first wheel or engine

[ChrisMaster69]

@JustiReno what new stuff?

What have they invented?

[JustiReno]

Hopefully they don’t invent communist Taiwan 😏

[Anonymous]

It's what China wants, and that's why they installed the dumbest American president in history. Our borders are wide open, and terrorists are crossing in. And Fentanyl is flowing across like a river. And Biden appoints an idiotic cackling hen to fix it, but of course China owns her, too, so she just laughs.

[Lord_Saddler]

Biden is an enemy of China. The Chinese leadership sees neocons as terrorists.

[Opinion Owner]

I realize that.

[Lord_Saddler]

Biden is seen as an actual madman. The Chinese leadership feel his administration is going to destroy the US, but they fear he's crazy enough to take the world with him.

[Opinion Owner]

Biden is doing a great job destroying america.

[Snakeyes7]

It's sad to see what a sorry state it has become, falling to the very same disease it was designed to prevent: tyranny. Our government has joined forces with the corporations to trample on our rights and the economy and no one is being held accountable for any of it.

[Table4YTwo]

When the USA falls a massive war will ensue, people around the world will fight for the extreme amounts of untapped resources the USA tried to hide.

from Russia, to China and most of Europe. the end of the USA will be the starting signal for a great war that will ravage this land and its people.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Every country is dependant on another. And since the stock market in India is falling because of inflation in the States, I am not feeling good about it.

[BeMuse]

America isn't falling, America is purging our traitors. The corrupt are trying to burn everything down as they are stripped of wealth and power. You sound like you will hang with them from the sound of it...

[JustiReno]

You want to hang people ok buddy where’s emperor napoleon to your rescue?

[BeMuse]

@JustiReno Treason is punishable by death either by hanging, firing squad, or electrocution... Hamdi v Rumsfeld argued that terrorist actions are appropriately punished as treason, either as acts of levying war against the United States or of adhering to their enemies. Antifa is designated as a domestic terrorist organization. Ignorantia juris non excusat...

[JustiReno]

Bro how is Antifa a threat? They a threat to your emotional well being that’s about all…

[BeMuse]

@JustiReno Law is the law. You acting like a prissy bitch trying to project your emotional turmoil onto me doesn't change the law.

[JustiReno]

What terrorist acts have antifa done guy? What is even antifa guy? How many people are in it? How many of their members have broken the law? What laws? How many antifa people have been convicted on terrorism charges? Guy the FBI takes mentally disabled Muslims, radicalized them with informants, give them plot and means to carry it out then bust them for next years budget, you wanna talk about criminals?

[BeMuse]

@JustiReno Good luck with that defense against a military tribunal.

[BeMuse]

Haven't you noticed how election fraud evidence and arrests surrounding it continue to build? Election fraud that ends with a coup d'état against a sitting American President is an overt act to overthrow one’s own government. Those that participated in the conspiracy, made a plan to engage in an illegal act to obtain an unlawful objective. You really think you were not watched and recorded when planning via cell phone conversations, text messages, gps geofencing, cctv cameras, social media conversations/private messages, chat rooms, teleconferences, undercover agents with hidden cameras, spy planes, drone surveillance, financial transactions, etc. The evidence is extensive and there are many connections in the Antifa map dealing with direct election fraud activities, setting of fires, coordinated riots where violence was instigated and carried out by Antifa members for the specif purpose of overthrowing their government. Quite frankly you are fucked. Antifa mapping began long ago...

[BeMuse]

AG Merrick Garland even appointed Eli Rosenbaum a famous Nazi hunter to go after war criminals in Ukraine.. Obviously those connections tie back to Antifa/BLM And Neo-Nazis like Azov battalion that not only fought in the Ukraine war, but also participated in January 6, and the 2020 election fraud. You'll get hit from so many angles your head will spin...

[BeMuse]

How many degrees of separation do you really think you were from a foreign Nazis targeted for surveillance once you went into that chat room to collaborate with other ANTIFA members? hahaha

[BeMuse]

How about ISIS?

[exitseven]

Every day i watch America take another step towards oblivion and my heart just breaks at what has happened over the last 18 months. I hope this can be reversed before it is too late.

[skeetskeetskeet]

This whole downturn was engineered from the start... like the people shutting everything down and giving trillions in free money had no clue how it would play out

[RationalMale]

The USA is already shattered. We're just going through the motions and deciding whether the divorce will be relatively peaceful or bloody.

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

We are not falling down. One or two bad years doesn’t mean we are falling down. We can recover from this.

[Lord_Saddler]

Why would I feel sad?

It's the most retarded nation ever created. It's basically a circus masquerading as a country.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Not sad but more like disrupted and bothered. I don't want to see America go down.

[ArtemisSilver]

What's going to replace it? Just chaos not some leftist utopia.

[MountAverage]

Sad for its innocent citizens. If it was only Trumpists falling, I'd be very happy about it.

[EnglishEuropean]

The decline of America has been sad but I can't say it's undeserved. Elect clowns, expect a circus.

[Anonymous]

i look forward to a civil war in which the cause of the division is put to the knife