Now that abortions are getting banned do you support funding to help mothers and children?

[Anonymous]

Since a woman has no rights to decide what her body can do in America an inevitable outcome is an increase in babies and new mothers. With this extra burden, new mothers may need daycare assistance while they work, extra medical help for them and their children, and family medical leave. Do you support these efforts to help them or do you oppose them?

I am pro-life and I support extra funding for women and children

I am pro-life and do not support extra funding for women and children

I am pro-choiceI and i support extra funding for women and children

I am pro-choiceI and i do not support extra funding for women and children

[markml]

"Since a woman has no rights to decide what her body can do in America"

But this premise is NOT true.

The only time it would be true is when a woman gets raped. And I believe that rapists should not only go to jail but be forced to do heavy labor to pay for their crime. The proceeds of that labor can be used to fund women who get pregnant from rape.

As for general funds for unexpected pregnancies, I would approve of that if the woman can show she took Plan B emergency contraception with-in a few days of unprotected sex, but still got pregnant. The chance of Plan B failing is pretty small, so very few pregnancies would result from that.

I'm hesitant to write blank checks for all mothers-to-be because I have met many women who intentionally get pregnant because they want a child, even though they know they have no means to afford that child. I don't want to reward reckless behavior, and I believe any increasing in funding would mainly end up supporting women who already knew they wanted a child more so than accidental pregnancies.

[ChrisMaster69]

The funding if anything needs to go into the care and support systems.

There will be an increase of kids going into the care system

there will be an increase in neonatal deaths.

there will be an increase in the 24/7 care required for babies born with severe medical issues. This will need to be for as long as the baby, child lives, could be days, months or years.

The next problem the US will face more of is around Neonatal deaths or rather turning off life support, as even being born is not a guarantee of life, this is why doctors will advise mothers who have issues found in scans or tests of the ability to abort early on.

For places such as Oklahoma (and other states that are similar) there should be a state level tax introduced which is high enough to give adequate care for life of these babies, kids etc, also it should still apply even if they leave the state, they have access to this support funding.

it’s not fair for other states to have to contribute if they have not pretty much banned it.

[Asker]

Also, many American couples say they don’t want to bring babies into the world for a number of reasons. Many say the outrageous cost of having a baby will cripple them financially. With low wages and high costs of food, housing, and medial many are making the decision to simply not have kids. Others say the won’t bring a baby into the world the way it is environmentally (climate change) and politically (gun control, inequality). The system is stressed as it is and this will make it worse.

[shaysh87]

i don't think any good will come out of ending abortions. Just mothers stuck with children that they can't feed. Mothers stuck with children they do not love or want. Adoption centers overwhelmed. Requirements to adopt will significantly lower which will end up increasing the chances of kids being handed to the wrong people. Orphans have been bought and sold as servants for thousands of years. Very rarely are they ever treated well It still happens in some third world countries. what makes you think something like this can't happen here? At the end of the day, its these kids that will suffer the most. And the government thinks they're doing the kids a favor. They really aren't.

[Daniela1982]

funding So does not being able to get an abortion make it someone else's problem because you didn't use foresight and birth control? If it were me I would make sure to use birth control for me and have him use a condom as well to reduce the chance of accidents. I just can't believe all these so called accidents were really accidents, but instead were because someone didn't have responsible sex and instead just threw the dice that they wouldn't get pregnant. Over 1 million girls get pregnant each year and you know darn well they were not all accidents. Get funding? Would I get funding to pay for my car if I didn't have car insurance?

[Asker]

Foresight doesn't work for rape, incest, ectopic pregnancy, anencephaly, and a broken condom. And if the Supreme Court gets their way when christian nationalists dominate the government, birth control won't be an option.

[Subarugirl]

My son was concueved because of failed birth control...

[Daniela1982]

@Subarugirl It happens. But that is why I said both of them should be using it so the odds of getting pregnant are lessened even more. I also don't understand why people just don't get "fixed" if they are certain they don't want children.

[Subarugirl]

A lot try to but many many women in their 20s have to fight tooth and nail to get a tubal ligation and many doctors with out right refuse to do it on woman with no children. At lease a vasectomy is reversible

[Daniela1982]

@Subarugirl True, but for some reason men don't seem to want to get one, even though they are the ones responsible for a pregnancy.

[OlderAndWiser]

So the gist of your questions is: if you won't let us kill our unborn baby, then you must help pay for it. Isn't that your question in a simplified form?

[Avicenna]

One would think from the asker's question that no one would otherwise have babies and that there is nothing for mothers already...

[Stoner710]

I am pro life I do support and supporting mothers helping razor children however I think the government is terrible at everything and when it comes raising children And helping single mothers I think they’re in capable of doing that I don’t trust the government to be able to do that and if they try to do that they were just fuck it up and make it worse for the mother is trying to raise her child.

remember government was number on cause a death in the 20th century if government was heroin it would be it would be illegal (I know that doesn’t make sense but heroin kills a lot of people Government kills more people than heroin) Government basically sucks at everything it does there is not one good thing that they’ve done ride within the last 120 years and a lot longer than that by the way

[Chazmatazz269]

First of all, that’s not even remotely true. The US didn’t ban abortion by overturning Roe v Wade. It was just removed as an understood constitutional “right”. Only a small handful of states banned abortion, and only a few more are expected to. Those are largely red states where you can expect things to not change, which is of course unfortunate. However, this isn’t necessarily the case because all the SCOTUS decision did was put the issue back in the states’ hands. So it’s possible to change the legislation even in those states. Meanwhile, roughly two-thirds of US states will continue to provide abortion services and pharmaceuticals with some exceptions and limitations, just as they always have. Very little will change for the vast majority of US citizens.

[Pizaz]

I think it's absolutely wonderful that you are quoting starship troopers, since the actual idea of the book seems to have totally passed you by.

The problem is that you still value a "potential" life, more then actually life. That you don't seem to care what kind of life this potential life might have, just that it lives because it for some reason makes you feel better. Pro life, should mean when you're actually alive to, not just potentially. And as some of the laws have been put into effect, this doesn't just include "unlucky" women, but underage rape victims too, or women who have to carry a dead fetus to term potentially killing them, or any other complication that might arise. Your lack of knowledge on the matter is the truly scary part.

[Anonymous]

No the government and taxpayers are no more responsible for your children and poor life choices than they are for your reproductive rights.
I support personal responsibility. Mothers get pregnant then raise the child of have it adopted. Guys father a child then pay child support until 18. You the individual are responsible not the government.

[Asker]

Is that ability to send a child to school without getting shot an important issue for you too? All life is sacred after all.

[Subarugirl]

And what about the children getting pregnant? what about the children being thrown into the foster system, you know that broken system where children are regually abised or go missing? If the government doesn't want to be responsible for the children they would be forcing into this world they then shouldn't be able tell women what they cannot do to thier own bodies.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl these children have lived. Living is a complete lottery. I myself was in the Foster care system, my mother was an underage girl who was raped. I was abused and on the street for a time. Are you saying I should have been executed in the womb and thrown in the trash?
Nobody is telling women what they cannot do with their bodies. They are being told to accept personal responsibility for their bodies. Doctors are being told they cannot murder children in the womb.

[Subarugirl]

No that is not what I am saying, I am saying that a woman, or a girl should have a say it what happens to her body. She should be able to make that choice, if you don't want to then don't, but you shouldn't have the right to be able to enforce that onto others.
An embryo and a fetus before it's viable is not a child, any more than an egg or sperm. Abortions happen naturally all the time, you ready for women who have spontaneous abortions to be charged with manslaughter?

If a fetus was a child, and if it is considered a child by the federal government than why can't we take a life insurance policy out on one? Or claim it on our taxes?

You talk about being prolife, but what about the actual life being forcibly put into jeopardy, over the clump of cells the size of your thumb nail that looks like clotted period blood?

[Asker]

"Nobody is telling women what they cannot do with their bodies." They exactly are. What do you think forcing a woman to carry a baby she doesn't want for 9 months is?

Women are being told they are not capable of making their own decisions. Your mother made the decision to keep you even when legal abortion was available.

[Opinion Owner]

Who's forcing her? Doctors just aren't allowed to give her an abortion.
You decide to have sex without contraception, you decide to to have intercourse at all you are deciding to take the risk of pregnancy. You might not want the baby but the baby wants to live

[Subarugirl]

there are states that are trying to criminalize traveling to another state to receive a medical abortion, they are also trying to criminalize self induced abortions and then trying to charge women for murder if they need medical assistance because she didn't have access to a safe abortion.

It's not a baby, its a fetus and fetus prior 24 weeks isn't even viable let alone obtain the capacity to want anything any more than your eggs want something.

[littlepig2002]

Since women no longer have any rights in the US, the government – both federal AND state – should be required to take care of the unwanted children that result from forced pregnancy.


The federal government has a lot more constitutional obligations than simply defense. Provide the general welfare is the actually most basic obligation the US government has. I strongly support reparations for women who will undoubtedly and permanently lose their freedoms – the rights they lose during pregnancy after not being allowed an abortion NEVER come back until the second they die.


I would support charity more, but most charities these days are on an massive ego trip.

[Avicenna]

“No rights to decide what her body can do”? Seriously? Then these threatened “sex strikes” are not possible? And what about the many states that still allow abortion?
Anyway, it’s not as if no one has ever had babies before- there are programs like WIC and Medicaid and there could be monthly payments made to families, like in the second half of 2021. Does no one have health insurance that covers pre- and post-natal care? Is there no daycare? We should be providing more financial support to families anyway, but that has been the case for some time. I also note that you don’t mention fathers at all.

[Whatever2929292]

I went for A. I am all for helping women, children, and men through hard times. I am willing to donate to charities I am willing to volunteer or do what I need to help people.

But I do feel abortion is murder. There are amazing centers that do help women. I am all for that stuff.

[Kaamraj]

Whenever you have sex both choose better and use protection. Secondly abortions aren't banned. Only the federal govt has said that getting one is not covered under one's constitutional rights. So the issue has been moved to the state legislatures.

Previously a man had no control of what happened to his spearm once it left his body. Now women are only getting a small taste of that feeling of pkwerlessness.

[TrueConfection]

"

Since a woman has no rights to decide what her body can do in America an inevitable outcome is an increase in babies and new mothers."

1. The U. S. Supreme Court left it up to the states to decide. They can't rule over the entire continent.

2. Women have not lost the right to choose what to do with their bodies. Not one state in the United States OF America has said women must have unprotected sex.

[AviatorTom]

Abortions are NOT banned. The Supreme Court simply ruled that there is no right to abortion defined in the US Constitution, which means that, since it's not a federal power, the legality of abortion is left up to each individual state, as the Constitution clearly defines.

To everyone out there with their uninformed scare tactics about abortion: Please do your homework and properly and correctly explain what's happening. Don't just listen to the leftist media, which has its own agenda.

[grega239]

They arenlt uniformed. They're deliberately choosing to be disingenuous

[Reaper1985]

hope you know that the American welfare system which if funded by federal and state tax dollars. is meant to help single mothers and low income families with basic needs. sure the system has it's flaws at times which many people abuse but it's still an option.

[N192K001]

A) "I am pro-life and I support extra funding for women and children" BUT under NON-GOVERNMENT systems

That's not the government's obligation. This should be personal, congregational, charity, etc. .

[EarthRealm]

If you Can’t Support yourself then don’t have a Kid.
It doesn’t matter If they banned it
Because Condoms prevent It anyways.
You females just want us men to go in raw Doggy on you.
Getting Pregnant is a choice so y’all need to Quit acting like It’s not a choice.

[LazerBean]

I'm going to ignore the fact that abortions are not banned. Welfare increases once you have kids, also there is WIC. Also countless food banks and thousands of pregnancy centers who support women and their children.

[Asker]

Then why do Republicans block efforts to expand medicate, family leave, universal healthcare, lowing the costs of insulin, breaking up the prescription drug cartels, eliminating funding for mental health?

[Subarugirl]

Take a look at texas law hon... Roe vs Wade was the foundation of many equality laws and privacy laws... just wait and see the dominos crumble

[Asker]

@lazerbean

Oh my, look at that. Republican lawmakers SAID a national ban (along with birth control) is on the way.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[Kiss_Me]

Abortions are *** NOT *** banned.

The USSC did what they were appointed to do and supported the Constitution. The decision or regulation of abortions has been returned to State Legislators.

[Asker]

Right now abortions are banned in 12 states. Period. Yes that's a ban. 12 more states (24) and about to enact the same ban as Texas. And abortion lawmakers are not done. Next targets are abortion pills. ability to cross state lines, and then finally a national ban. This is what Republican lawmakers are aiming for now that Roe was successfully reversed.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[Kiss_Me]

You cannot put a national ban on Abortions. It is up to the States to make their own decisions on abortions. If you want to allow abortions, contact your Congressperson and Senator.

[Asker]

You missed hearing all those Republican lawmakers stating their next goal is a national ban now that they have a conservative majority in the supreme court.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Definitely more funding and assistance for adoption and daycare. Lots of people want to adopt NEWBORNS but its out of their price range.

Daycare help is already a huge thing though, wouldn't hurt to expand it a bit more.

[loveslongnails]

I don't think money is the driving force. It's much more complex than that. Think of the socio-economic factors, and whose babies are desired by those who can afford babies.

[Thatdude091699]

It's a myth that conservatives only care about the child once it's born. Most pregnancy centers, orphanages, and most charities around the US are run by pro-lifers and religious institutions. I think women are just upset that they can't use child murder as a form of birth control to make up for bad decisions.

[SeekingVirginWife]

Sounds good. No sex until marriage and no abortions. I accept your terms.

[Asker]

Good luck finding that virgin wife who wants to have endless babies.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Absolutely. What kind of nations turns its back on financially struggling mothers and little kids? A monster cold hearted one.

I fully support unversial healthcare where mothers, fathers, kids and anyone can see a doctor without charge.

Free higher education and welfare programs for decent housing and abundant food for kids who single mother or father is struggling financially so they can have quality good food.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Forgot 1 year paid leave and child care breaks so the mother doesn't have to pay full price of child daycare. Only pay about 25% of daycare.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I'm pro life by the way.

[PJH359]

Cool…so all we have to do now is accept a 90% federal income tax to pay for all of this.

[Avicenna]

One year paid leave? Good luck funding that. Or completely free higher ed.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Avicenna: The money is there. Our government just like giving billions to other nations.

[Avicenna]

So you're saying the federal government should fund one year of fully paid parental leave? Does that include paying health insurance? Or do you see companies being forced to do it?

It's true that the federal government's spending priorities are mostly awful, but that doesn't mean such a program would be a good idea.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Avicenna: Yes, there should be a law where is mandatory to pay leave for a year. The government will fund about 75% of the cost.

[Avicenna]

And companies 25%? That's a non-starter.

I have some experience with this since there is something similar in Germany and I had three kids there, but it's more like 65% of net pay and the companies pay nothing (the insurance companies pay the health insurance). Companies don't like it there, and even less when fathers take it, so women are discriminated against somewhat in the labor market because of it. Companies are also known to bar the mothers from returning even though it's their legal right because the damages they have to pay are relatively small.

[Avicenna]

The cost of health insurance while on leave would be a big sticking point, probably the biggest

[captain_voidwalker]

Women could always... I don't know... just... not get pregnant until they're ready to have kids. I mean its not like we don't have 37 different forms of birth control and good ole fashioned keeping yer legs closed until your ready to start a family.

[Subarugirl]

Or men could just... I don't know... just... just not get a woman pregnant until she is ready to have a kid if she ever want's one. There is less risk getting a reversible vasectomy than taking birth control. Not to mention some state are trying to ban certain birth control limiting the options.

[captain_voidwalker]

Ohh I agree but the difference is women have all the options for birth control men don't. We get 2 condoms which often fail and abstinence.

[Still-alive]

"We get 2 condoms which often fail "

then you suck at using condoms correctly www.webmd.com/.../birth-control-condoms

[Subarugirl]

There is birthcontol for men but that means you would heave to deal with basically the same side effects that woman have to. Or you could get a vasectomy, with has hardly any recovery time... or learn how to wear a condom properly.

[captain_voidwalker]

Ohh please deign to enlighten my ignorant self. Tell me any birth control that men have that is temporary. And a vasectomy as far as I know isn't reversible. Granted I haven't looked into one in about 7 years so ill need to check again on that 1

[Asker]

@captain_voidwalker so you're ok if all the risk and responsibility falls on the woman and none of it on the man..

[Subarugirl]

Abstinence...
Vasectomies... which have over a 95% reversal rate... you're almost 40, you planning on having more kids?
They are working of several trials for birth control pills or shots for men, you could join one of those.
Or figure out how to properly use a condom...

[captain_voidwalker]

Trials means they aren't widely available nor does it make them effective hence why they are conducting trials. No I don't plan on having kids but I also don't plan on having any more sex in my life, to much work for so little a reward.
And I already listed abstinence.
Also what makes you think men weren't held responsible for children they father, child support has been around since the 1800, s.

[Subarugirl]

Oh because throwing money at your offspring is all it takes to be a responsible parent...…

[captain_voidwalker]

Just about as responsible as having sex with out using birth control.

[Subarugirl]

My son was conceived because my birth control failed... as did my emergency contraceptive. Most abortions that take place are because the birth control method used, failed.

[captain_voidwalker]

Abortion is birth control is just the same as murder to me. But it sounds like you didn't abort your son even though your intention wasn't to get pregnant so I give you points for that. Even still adoption is a far better alternative to just strait up killing an unborn child.
Now I'm sure these 2 arguments are coming next, bieng rape and if the woman's life is endangered so ill hit those up right quick.
In the case of rape yes you allow an abortion , but you charge the woman's rapist with murder of the child as well as rape.
In the case of medical necessity to spare the woman's life you do allow for abortion if and only if all other options have failed.

[Subarugirl]

A fetus isn't a child any more than a liver is a human being

[Subarugirl]

Most abortions are naturally occurring anyways and the grand majority of medical abortions are performed with a pill...

[captain_voidwalker]

And thats where you lose me. A fetus is a human bieng to me. And it also has rights that need to be considered.

[Subarugirl]

Murder is defined as the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being. An embryo or non viable fetus is not a human being.

[Subarugirl]

No more than an egg or a sperm is considered a human being.

[Pizaz]

Yes, exactly! Because we all know that contraceptives are 100% efficient! And keeping your legs closed is universally known to work on rape scenarios! It's insane, it's like women who get abortions find it pleasurble! Because that's what it is really. Getting drugs (in the early stages) that basically make your body react as it is going in to premature labor (which is we all know women love!) or in later stages, the drugs AND equipment going into you body removing the fetus, such joy!

In case anyone mistook this as anything else, it's sarcasm. As someone who had to have Ana medical abortion (because the fetus died but my body did not expell it) I can fucking tell you it's not something you go though unless you have to. Sit the fuck down. You are so uneducated it is ridiculous.

[captain_voidwalker]

Fair enough on the embryo but I'll say this, we declare someone dead when thier heart stops beating, by proxy then we should consider someone alive when the heart starts beating. So after the unborn child has a heart beat it is by medical definition alive. And if you want to use viability as an argument technically children aren't viable by themselves until around age 10 or 11 they depend upon thier parents for good and shelter. So that argument is pretty moot in my book we certainly aren't considering killing 9 year olds an abortion its murder. Same difference when its in utero.

[Pizaz]

Actually we can keep a hearth beating if we want to. The therm brain dead is something I'm sure you're familiar with and it has very little to do with the hearth since it is to different parts of the nervous system.

Then again, "we" are willing to take life's we don't see fit to excisit anymore (death penalty, war, etc) so why are those life less then one who has never really been?

[captain_voidwalker]

If you think you can just keep defribulating a heart over and over again to keep it beating you can't. And bieng brain dead dosent make some one legally dead. As for the death penalty odds are someone did something very heinous to get sentenced to death. As for war well the world isn't perfect and sometimes a nation has to use force to acquire what it needs. To quote from starship troopers "violence is the Supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived"

[Subarugirl]

No not necessarily, a person can be considered brain dead even if their heart is still beating. At 6 weeks gestation a heartbeat could be detected but if she were to spontaneously abort, the fetus would be no bigger than a blood clot the size of a small grape...

[Subarugirl]

You could keep a body on life support... for a long time even though they are in every other sense of the word dead... that fetus isn't alive, it is a part of the woman who is actually living.

[captain_voidwalker]

But the fetus much like the comatose patient has ghe potential to be alive hence why if you were to yank that comatose person off life support it's considered murder. I consider killing the potential human child also murder.

[Subarugirl]

If you follow that logic then every menstrual cycle and a miscarriage is a manslaughter, and every time a man ejaculates with out the intention of reproducing is murder.

[captain_voidwalker]

No because without fertilization occurring neither has the potential to become a living human bieng. Thats the difference it might look like a clump of cells but a zygote is a human bieng in the making

[Subarugirl]

But preventing feralization prevents that potential, and by what you said about the potential for life

[captain_voidwalker]

I never said blocking potential was wrong. I said stopping it once it was started was wrong. You can mental gymnastic around this all you want but abortion is murdering children any way you slice it

[Subarugirl]

Well a fetus isn't a child, it has the potential to become a child, just as an egg or sperm does.

[Subarugirl]

You wouldn't call a fertilized chicken egg a chicken

[Still-alive]

@Subarugirl "You wouldn't call a fertilized chicken egg a chicken"

I'd call that 'yummy' personally.

sorry proceed to own him more lol

[captain_voidwalker]

I call a fetus a child and the legal system does as well. If I drive drunk I slam into a pregnant woman and kill her and her unborn "child" i get charged with double homicide

[Subarugirl]

If that were true, then why can't you claim it on your taxes, or take out a life insurance policy on it... if the legal system considered an embryo a human being than disposing of the embryos created during the IVF process would be considered murder...… smoking or drinking during pregnancy would be considered child abuse and miscarriages could be prosecuted as man slaughter...… so no, the answer to that would be that the legal system does not consider and embryo or fetus to be a child

[Subarugirl]

You can call the earth flat, but it doesn't change the fact

[captain_voidwalker]

Like I said you can mental gymnastics over and over but abortion is murder. You are intentionally killing an unborn child. Its not like a miscarriage thats a medical problem, it's not like a fertilized chicken egg because we eat adult chickens for food. You are ENDING a human life intentionally for no other reason than your own convenience.

[Still-alive]

" Its not like a miscarriage thats a medical problem, "

and yet they are making and arresting women for miscarriages too. www.msn.com/.../ar-AAPHwNP

[Subarugirl]

Do you know what the medical term for a miscarriage is? It’s called a spontaneous abortion.

It is not a life, because to be alive you must be able to sustain life independently… and a fetus does not have that capability until about 24 weeks, and that is with medical intervention. The grand majority of abortions are preformed with medication, and essentially induces a miscarriage.

How ever for the sake of your argument, let’s say another person would die unless they used your organs to sustain their life… if you refused them the use of your organs, blood, or body.. is that murder too? Or do you believe in bodily autonomy unless it applies to women?

[captain_voidwalker]

No because taking someone's organs and killing the donor is not the same as, and I'll say it again, intentionally killing an unborn child. Not accidentally killing it, not having a medical problem that results in a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion (by the way we don't call it that in texas ita just called a miscarriage in medical terms)
It's making a conscious decision to end an unborn child. And that in my book makes someone a murderer.
And for the person above did you even read the article you just proved my fucking point. The woman in that article took drugs and it resulted in the death of her unborn child. To legally we do consider unborn children as alive.
Any way you slice this shit abortion is murder and if your ok with that frankly God help your soul is all I can say.

[Still-alive]

ok so once a child is born do you care about it anymore? would you support healthcare for the child? helping it live a healthy life?

[captain_voidwalker]

For children absolutely i give to multiple charities per year that do exactly that.

[Subarugirl]

actually it's making the conscious choice to not put your heath or body at risk... That is rich considering God killed his own baby and the fact that there is quite literally an abortion ritual laid out in the old testament that priests would preform.

[captain_voidwalker]

Well you can make that choice prior to getting pregnant which was my beginning point in the first place

[captain_voidwalker]

And spoken like a person who fails to understand Christianity. Jesus chose to come down to earth and bear the weight of humanitys sins. And I'm no super religious but I do believe we have a soul and whilst the particulars of what happens after we die have some room for interpretation I know in all religions in civilized society tend to frown on killing children, and the religions that practiced child sacrifices were depraved and died out.

[Pizaz]

On the point of Christianity... You do know that abortion does occur in the Bible? Sanctioned one's...

[captain_voidwalker]

Prove it

[Still-alive]

Numbers 5:27 – Abortion Is Okay, If The Mom Doesn’t Approve
“If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.”

[Pizaz]

Yeah, the above, and there actually are a couple of more examples.

[captain_voidwalker]

Pretty sure that part about her becoming a curse means it's not approved of.

[Subarugirl]

Actually the verse talks about how if a man suspects his wife of infidelity with out any proof he can take her to a priest who will perform a ritual to drink the bitter waters and if she is pregnant, the ritual would cause an abortion...

[Subarugirl]

The bible even talks about the punishment for killing another person. If a man kills another man the punishment is death but if a man causes a woman to lose her pregnancy his is only fined. Old testament law mandated a life for a life, but an unborn fetus was categorized more so like destruction of property and only warranted a fine.
The bible also says that life begins at first breath...

[captain_voidwalker]

Yes but we don't live in old testament times I'd like to think we've become civilized enough to not murder unborn children.

[Still-alive]

lol moving the goal posts...

[captain_voidwalker]

My goal post never moved, I started out saying abortion is murder and I'm still saying it. Outside of the context of abortion , the law considers unborn children alive. I wonder why q human life starts to mean nothing once it inconveniences a woman to you people.

[Still-alive]

im talking about you moving the goal posts on abortion being allowed in the bible bro pay attention lmao.

[captain_voidwalker]

It still dosent say its ok it said the woman was cursed for aborting. And even if it didn't warrant a death penalty it still considered a man causing a miscarriage a crime punishable with a fine.
Where your getting the idea it says its ok just kill babies all day im not sure?

[Still-alive]

reverbpress.com/religion/bible-supports-abortion/

here read this ^^

"Earlier in Numbers, it’s stated that, if a man suspects his wife of sleeping with another man, he may bring her to a priest who will create some sort of magic potion with water and dirt. The woman is then made to drink said magic potion. If she has not cheated on her husband, nothing will happen.

If the woman has cheated and is carrying another man’s child, though, the mystical dirt water — we can call it magic mud — will cause her to immediately miscarry. This is a directive coming straight from God himself to Moses. So even if pro-lifers can dodge all these other verses, they can’t deny that this one essentially says, “Abortion is okay as long as it’s forced upon a woman, against her will, for cheating on her husband.”

Yeah… that’s way more acceptable than what pro-choice advocates are going for…"

[captain_voidwalker]

Back in those times adultery was a serious crime and the woman would likely be killed anyway. That dosen't mean the Bible approves abortion this is more an example of how seriously infidelity was taken back in a isn't times.
Your comparing ancient society's to modern ones its not a fair comparison.

[Still-alive]

see there you go buddy moving the goal posts first its 'abortion isn't allowed in the bible.' then its 'oh well the old testament doesn't matter' now its 'of well it was just different back in those days'

no this was allowed by GOD himself. even if the historical context is different, god who is supposed to be infallible still okayed this.

and another thing abortion isn't mentioned AT ALL in the new testament. why didn't they bother mentioning it if it was THAT important? See this stuff proves you religious fascists are just making shit up to suit your agenda. thats all this is bro. You can't use scripture to justify your anti abortion stance because its NOT in there.

[Subarugirl]

That is the only time the bible comes remotely close to mentioning abortion... apart for that it explicitly states that life begins at first breath not conception.

[Subarugirl]

If the law considered a fetus alive than you would be able to claim it on your taxes or take a life insurance policy out on it... but the law doesn't allow you to do either of those things

[captain_voidwalker]

When the Bible was written conception wasn't understood. Medical science has come a looking way since Jesus walked the earth. And how did I end up having to play bibles advocate im not even religious. I just happen to think a human life even an unborn one has value and thankfully most of the rest of the nation agrees with me. If that makes me a woman hater or a bigot or an idiot or whatever er insult you want to hurl at me whatever. Still means I'm better than a child murderer or someone who supports them.

[Still-alive]

" Still means I'm better than a child murderer or someone who supports them. "

no you aren't you woman hater you.

[captain_voidwalker]

Sure whatever you say child murderer

[Subarugirl]

Sounds more like you want to control women's bodies... and that you care more about a clump of cells no bigger than a clot of period blood than the lives of women would be forced to give birth at the risk of her heath and even her life.

[Still-alive]

@Subarugirl oh totally, he just wants a way to justify 'slut shaming' women basically. its more about that then the actual baby.

[captain_voidwalker]

I sure do because one day that clump of cells can be a living human bieng and the woman had a choice over her body before that clump of cells was conceived

[Subarugirl]

@Still-alive If he cared about children hed be adopting them, or at least fostering then and doing something about the thousands of children disappearing from the foster care system … he's not pro life he's pro forced birth... or pro fetus at the very best

[captain_voidwalker]

You mean like the hours I volunteer at a children's hospital and the 45 to 60 grand per year my business donates to Scottish rite.
You just wanna murder children because taking a pill or a shot is to much of an inconvenience to you

[Still-alive]

if a guy bragged to you about how many girls he's had sex with would you say anything back to him?

[captain_voidwalker]

If he's practicing safe sex not realy but if he got a girl pregnant he is absolutely responsible for those children and should be made to provide for them

[Subarugirl]

Hey genius... my son was conceived because the shot and the morning after pill failed...

[Subarugirl]

@Still-alive no he wouldn't and if he knocked her up he would still find a way to blame the woman for where the man decided to ejaculate. He cares more about a fetus than theactual children being impregnated.

[captain_voidwalker]

And whats you point sex comes with risks even safe sex. You accept those risks by engaging in it. Not wanting a child dosen't absolve you of the responsibility of taking care of one

[Still-alive]

you know justice thomas mentioned the scotus decision allowed contraceptives in the roe v wade decision? he wants to revoke that as well... so soon contraceptives will be illegal in some states too...

[captain_voidwalker]

Is my name justice Thomas. I have no problem with contraceptives, and the sipream court dosentvhave the authority to outlaw anything. They at most can allow the state legislatures to craft regulations on such things. That's all. Overturning roe didn't make abortion illegal it gave that decision back to the states

[Still-alive]

". I have no problem with contraceptives, and the sipream court dosentvhave the authority to outlaw anything. "

oh ok cool. so we can go ahead and ignore the roe v wade being revoked decision then. i've been advocating for states ignoring that myself actually. glad you agree with me ;)

[captain_voidwalker]

Thats absolutely fine. I prefer a pro life state so I live in one if you want pro choice I might not agree with it but if the state you live in allows it thats thier business not mine

[Anonymous]

They are not banned. And you can buy abortion pills online.

[Asker]

Not for long.

Next targets are abortion pills. ability to cross state lines, and then a national ban. This is what Republican lawmakers are aiming for now that Roe was successfully reversed.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

Well the Democrats are talking about putting abortion clinics at military bases and even national parks. So that'll solve that problem.

[Asker]

"Well the Democrats are talking about putting abortion clinics at military bases and even national parks. So that'll solve that problem."

That's solving the problem? Really?

[Opinion Owner]

Do you have a better idea?

[Asker]

My better idea is to trust individuals with choices for their own bodies instead of forcing America to become a breeding farm.

[Opinion Owner]

When will your plan take effect?

[Flower7]

Pro-life and support the extra funding. I would also support better funding for orphanages and adoptions.

[sage2021]

Abortions aren't being banned. Which State Park s banning them? Not all States!

[sage2021]

*not state park
just state

[Asker]

Half of them. 26 states.

[Asker]

Right now abortions are banned in 12 states. Another 12 are in the works. Lawmakers are not done. Next on the agenda is birth control, ability to cross state lines, and then finally a national ban where no states are allowed to give them. This is what Republican lawmakers are aiming for now that Roe was successfully reversed.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[sage2021]

Stop spreading untruths about this. How do you know this is the plan? One person says it, then another and another when it's not even true.

[sage2021]

They will still have them it said "half the nation" not all States! Besides I don't have a dog in this fight so I am leaving.

[Asker]

You don't listen to Republicans. I know this because you'd know what laws they say they're implementing.

[WhitneySnow]

I’m pro choice and I do support this but there is a third alternative: girls who get pregnant and can’t get an abortion or don’t want to get one but also can’t or don’t want to raise their baby can give them up for adoption.

[Anonymous]

Fuck no. I work hard for my money. I'm a Republican and if you can't afford to raise the baby, give it up for our shitty adoption system but y'all ain't gonna kill it. It's not my problem if you're poor and stupid, or that the kid will bounce from home to home and probably end up a criminal. I'm not the one who got pregnant! I don't care if the kid has a fucked up life, it had a right to be born into it even though you were too fucking stupid and got preggo!

[Pizaz]

Oh the empathy in this one...

[NovaCourier]

@Pizaz This one is a troll who isn't worth the effort. Let him gather enough rope and he'll hang himself.

[Opinion Owner]

@NovaCourier Troll? No, just your basic Trump supporting, USA loving Republican!

[NovaCourier]

You literally said you don't care if children have a terrible life (through no fault of their own) because their parents were irresponsible. In other words, you insist that the child has a right to be born, but then don't care about the child once it is born. How is that Pro-life?

If you were even remotely patriotic, you would care about the future of your own country's children. If, as you say, those children are likely to end up being criminals, and you don't care about what circumstances led them there, then you clearly don't care about crime in your country either. Not very "USA loving" of you. You have the attitude of a traitor. Not a patriot.

[Opinion Owner]

@NovaCourier Thank you for pointing that out. The post was meant to be facetious, but representative of the Republican view. T H A N K Y O U for calling them what they are - traitors, not patriots.

It's not representative of my feelings at all. Again I thank you, as a non-American citizen that you are, for calling it LIKE IT IS.

[NovaCourier]

Ok, I legitimately didn't realise that the post was a facetious remark. I encounter so many extreme, anti-human decency comments from these hardliners that it honestly seemed like the real thing.

[Opinion Owner]

@NovaCourier It was MEANT to sound like the real thing, because it's VERY REPRESENTATIVE of real opinions here in the USA, held by many Republican citizens AND many Republican Senators and Representatives. They're disgusting individuals. It was designed to sound very real because it IS very real. These Republitarts think that way, and they believe they're not only right, but righteous for doing so.

Again, I thank you for proving the point. Any DECENT person would be, and should be, appalled by that attitude and mindset.

[grega239]

Thats their husbands responsibility.

If the husband isn't around for whatever reason, you're all strong and independent wahmen who dont need no man or the government for that matter because why should other mens taxes be used to support you?

[grega239]

Or just move to California. A state so woke on abortions, they abort your kid even after birth

[Anonymous]

You don't understand why it's happening.


They only want white woman to not get abortions. If they legal could mandate and say POC can get as many as they want they would.


Europe has a program where they pay white woman to have kids. They can't do that here.

Here my evidence its about white births

[enirikiu]

I haven’t ever heard about this before. Somehow I feel a bit less involved in this as a woman now because I am a POC. However that doesn’t make me less interested. I would love to read more about what you’re bringing up here.

[Opinion Owner]

There's a book I haven't read all the way through. I think called birth dearth 1987
But they wanted to pay white women to gave kids. But they would also be forced to pay POC. So they didn't do it.

Look at the white dude that shot the black people in Buffalo he was concerned about white replacement as well. This is what a lot them talk about in chat forum

[BeMuse]

Allowing states the freedom to make their own laws isn’t about targeting minorities. In contrast The Negro Project (Planned Parenthood Federation of America) was specifically designed to target minorities. Democrats strongly support that organization. You should learn a little history so you don’t look like a retard. Planned Parenthood directly targeted people with the help of Democrats and it still does. It lead to a brainwashing of an entire generation which negatively impacted ethics in the views of many White people. So, some White people did something about it. What they (the GOP) are doing is reversing that trend and reestablishing local ethics by rebuilding their own communities. You can as well make similar decisions in your own community. States rights allows people to sort out their own affairs. If you are wicked as Christians would view you, then you will gravitate toward laws that support things like The Negro Project. That will impact migration of your group to territories that favor your philosophy. As the Christians put it: The wheat when first thrashed lies in one heap with chaff and straw, and is after winnowed to separate it; so the faithful are mixed up in one Church with the unfaithful; but persecution comes as a wind, that, tossed by Christ's fan, they whose hearts were separate before, may be also now separated in place. Will that save White lives? Sure, according to abortion statistics it will save 359,972 “White Lives” per year. Apparently you have a problem with White people living. It shows your strong racist convictions. You probably go out and scream Black Lives Matter, but when White people save their own children, all the sudden you have a problem with it?

[Opinion Owner]

I believe both groups are after black people.

[Jamie05rhs]

According to the poll, 2/3 of all people support extra funding for women and children. From both sides. I think that's a great consensus and place of common ground where we can work together!

[nawtee_me]

If you don't want children, don't have sex... That or go to Illinois where it is still legal. The states have the rights to decide if they want to be pro life or not. Illinois is accepting out of state females that want to end their pregnancy.

[Guy13]

Keep it in you pants ANON and Rhee will not be a problem for you…

[Anonymous]

Last time I checked there's a shitload of this already. Mothers with dependent children qualify for all kinds of support. They still do.

[Asker]

You know every one of these policies to help families were enacted by democrats and fought against by republicans.

[Opinion Owner]

So what? They're still there and they're still the law.

[Asker]

You think these helpful policies will always be there when Republicans are fighting against every single one of them?

[Opinion Owner]

If people want them they'll be there because they'll elect representatives to keep them in place. If they go away it's because people don't want them. So I think it'll be fine either way.

[Asker]

Only 37% think abortions should be illegal. Vast majority want stricter gun control. But here we are.

[Opinion Owner]

Indeed. You know--what with Dems holding both houses of Congress AND the presidency, they could probably do something about that if they wanted to. . .

[gorydetails]

You know you can actually opt not to have children until you're financially able to take care of them. Preganancy isn't some random event that occurs spontaneously to women.

[Agape93]

Nope. That's a peace offering that won't ever truly happen. Fuck that, take to the streets and get your rights back.

[RationalMale]

Are you upset that women are going to need to be mature like men and not have sex unless they're willing to accept the risk of becoming a parent?

[Creampiekarl420]

Stop having babies out of wedlock you harlots purity isn’t the answer we need to make sex for married couples again not this gross dehumanizing hookup culture

[Jouth]

The child was her responsibility, just as it was her choice to have sex.

If it was rape? That's different.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Jouth why can't loser men be responsible? There are plenty of women who have a boyfriend or fiancé or even a deadbeat husband that runs away like a cowardly dog when she gets pregnant.

[Subarugirl]

Actually the man is responsible for what he does with his sperm... An embryo or fetus before 21 weeks is not a child any more than blood clot or a hangnail. You wouldn't call kidney a child or a human being and until that fetus is able to sustain it's own life out side of the woman's body neither is it.

[Jouth]

Both people are responsible.

If you choose to have sex, there are consequences to your actions.

[Subarugirl]

That's like saying people who get diabetes from eating a lot of sugar shouldn't receive a prescription for insulin because there are consequences to your actions...
You are right, so if a woman gets pregnant that was the consequence of having sperm ejaculated into her vaginal canal... the doesn't mean that she should be forced into carrying a pregnancy and carrying a fetus to term against her will any more that you should be require to donate a part of your liver against your will.

[Asker]

@jouth - so we shouldn't provide medical care after car accidents because they should have been more responsible.

[Asker]

@jouth

"If it was rape? That's different."

There's no provision for rape. A woman goes to jail if she doesn't bring a rape baby to birth.

[Jouth]

People receive prescriptions but they still pay for the medicine they were prescribed.

No one is entitled to funding.

[goaded]

A recent estimate says it costs $230,000 to bring up a child. I'm sure Texas will be paying women that to not have an abortion any day now.

[erandal]

Very interesting to see the balance between men and women on the different votes.

[PatriceONeal]

It's not my responsiblility to raise someone elses child. If she wanted a good future for her family, she should have secured it.

[Anonymous]

Women make the call when it comes to sex, they should make better choices.

Also, society does give them money already and they can and do scam men into paging for her poor choices.

[Anonymous]

Your question is based on a false premise. Abortions are not banned nation wide. That is a state by state decision. You can still get all forms of birth control. Or better yet, keep your legs closed.

[Anonymous]

That's why there's Adoption, or you can have babies with guys who have the Financial Means to provide for your kid. A Simpler Solution would be not to have sex.

[Intothevoid666]

Why can’t these women just not have unprotected reckless sex? Like is that so hard?

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 - why can't loser men be responsible? There are plenty of women who have a boyfriend or fiance or even deadbeat husband that runs away like a cowardly dog when she gets pregnant.

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit so men can’t have reckless unprotected sex without having kids right? Only women are allowed to do that. Got it!

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit if anything good came out of the abortion ban it’s that all the women which is most of them with this same shitty attitude u have can stfu now.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 - if you're not going to be responsible you're 50% of the problem. It an't that hard comprehend. Takes 2 people to have sex. If they're both stupid, as exemplified by your response, then they're equally responsible for the bastard that results.

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit men already have no control over the situation if the women does get pregnant is my point so I’m already used to this needing to be responsible thing

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 - men don't have any control if a woman gets pregnant. Have you ever heard of a condome, dimwit? Jeez simple people are so unable to think how they can be responsible.

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit ok and women don’t have the option to tell a guy to wear a condom?

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 Ever heard of plan B idiot?

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit women take plan b not men. Bottom line men have never been able to have sex and not possibly risk having a child where as women can and now their complaining about it and expecting me to care.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 - a man with a brain would ensure a woman takes plan b. Unfortunately, as like many men, you don't have much for brain power.

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit a plan b isn’t 100% effective anyways so I don't know why it matters

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 - better than doing nothing & blaming everyone for one's own uselessness though, isn't it?

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit point is men never had the right Ur complaining about losing. The right to 100% chose to not be a parent. No birth control besides abortion is 100% effective.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Intothevoid666 - be quiet now. You are like many useless "men" - or reality boys in adult bodies who contribute little to nothing to a woman's life - who is not responsible for your own actions and blame everyone else.

[Intothevoid666]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit why should women have the right to chose to not be parents but men not have that right?

[In_Trance]

They're not getting banned ffs. What's wrong with you?

[Asker]

They are banned in 13 states with another 13 on the way. How is that not a ban? If your argument is for a woman to move to another state so she can plan for an unplanned pregnancy then maybe you didn't think that through.

[In_Trance]

No i did think it through, much like she should think through raw dogging fuck bois

[Asker]

Include rape? Ectopic pregnancy?

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance why can't loser men be responsible? There are plenty of women who have a boyfriend or fiancé or even a deadbeat husband that runs away like a cowardly dog when she gets pregnant.

[In_Trance]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit Funny you say that. Most women are not getting abortions because of rape. I know everyone wants to believe that but it isn't true. Most get an abortion because they're irresponsible.
Regardless... if women are able to make the choice, why can't men? Sure, you decide you want to keep it. Perfectly fine; why aren't men allowed to decide against and walk away from it completely? Not rights, no vistiation... no financial responsibility?
Why is that? Everyone cries that women should have this right, but why can't men?

[Asker]

You need to know facts. Rapes are underreported.

www.brennancenter.org/.../sexual-assault-remains-dramatically-underreported

I am also guessing you don't know how many men get a woman pregnant and want nothing to do with it.

Leaving all the burden and none of the responsibilities at the feet of women.

[In_Trance]

I am well aware of that.
Most women use it as an option for birth control.
If you wanna dig further, the majority by far are black women

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance if you're not going to be responsible as a man you're 50% of the problem. It an't that hard comprehend. Takes 2 people to have sex. If they're both stupid, as exemplified by your responses, then they're equally responsible for the bastard that results.

[In_Trance]

That's exactly the kind of response I was expecting which completely disregards my question and the fact that the system is rigged to favor women.
Now that there's a slight shift in your expected to take responsibility for your actions and judgments you have a problem with it.

Complete bullshit

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance f you're not going to be responsible as a man you're 50% of the problem. It an't that hard comprehend. Takes 2 people to have sex. If they're both stupid, as exemplified by your responses, then they're equally responsible for the bastard that results.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance - how is the "system" rigged to favor women? Dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

[In_Trance]

It's not dumb at all it's a fact.
You can decide whether or not to have the child but a man can't decide whether or not to support. They have to abide by whatever decision you make. If you truly believe it's 50/50 and you want to have the child the man should be able to opt out.

Back to your original question abortions aren't banned. The issue is women don't want to take responsibility for their actions and judgments, plain and simple. Read other responses you've had and you'll see the same thing.
We're done here.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance - you are COMICAL. You keep saying that women don't want to be responsible and EVERY TIME I mention MEN are ALSO responsible you avoid it. Talk about hypocritical. ... And pathetic... What when my first post was >>>> why can't loser men be responsible? There are plenty of women who have a boyfriend or fiancé or even a deadbeat husband that runs away like a cowardly dog when she gets pregnant.

[In_Trance]

Answer the question I posted earlier. That's all you need to do

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance - What question? The question that asks why aren't men allowed to be assholes? Why are men not allowed to walk away from their responsibilities as a child's father like cowardly dogs? I don't know. Why should you be allowed to. It takes 2 people to have sex... if you don't want to be responsible go and get snipped so you never have to worry.

[In_Trance]

Lol... yea ok

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@In_Trance - well isn't this the questions you asked?

if women are able to make the choice, why can't men? Sure, you decide you want to keep it. Perfectly fine; why aren't men allowed to decide against and walk away from it completely? Not rights, no vistiation... no financial responsibility?
Why is that? Everyone cries that women should have this right, but why can't men?

Stinks of irresponsibility, lack of mature, and inability to be a REAL man. REAL Men are responsible. Boys who think they're men wouldn't know how to be responsible if their lives depended on it.

[Asker]

This just in...

Republican lawmakers are to make it a national ban (along with birth control), answering your question "what's wrong with you".

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[Anonymous]

Great question! I am prochoice and I supprt funding to help mothers and children.

[GrapeApe98]

Hell yeah. I still can't believe this shit is happening. But women are gonna need a lot of help in the future, so

[JohnK123]

Women still have the right to decide to write or click on people to vote for them
thats choosing what she can or can’t do with her hand

[TheFlak38]

I have a magic solution for you: Stop whoring yourself out.
Mind blown.

[Anonymous]

All republicans should start paying higher taxes to pay for more babies.

[Reaper1985]

hope you know that the American welfare system which if funded by federal and state tax dollars. is meant to help single mothers and low income families with basic needs. sure the system has it's flaws at times which many people abuse but it's still an option.

[globetrotter22]

I support nation wide contraceptives.

[Waldoe]

In the USA, we already have this support

[Jerseygirl1987]

I’m pro choice. Plus it depends on the state.

[888theGreat]

There are millions for women already.

[Smashingdoozy]

Of course I do.

[BeMuse]

Nope.

[RobEurope]

I support the dissolution of usa.

[jimmy2]

Yes I do