paternity fraud is never prosecuted , while divorce courts favor women -a total rigged system against men, this in addition to today's corporations which discriminate against men (especially straight white men) in every way possible. any wonder so many such men have abandoned the nation state in its demographic death spiral, orchestrated through 6 decades of Frankfurt School Marxism.
I guess if you don't TRUST the person you've become very close to (yes, sex definitely counts as a very intimate act. Physically.), then what are you doing with the person? ? ! It's pretty insulting how the person you supposedly love asks you for a paternity test. Particularily if you've just given birth!
But hey, I think it would depend. Was this just some ho you picked up? Or is it someone you are married to, or in a serious, (hopefully TRUSTING) relationship with? ? ! These things always depend!
Many guys have trust a woman 100% and were lined to through their whole marriage and only found out because the wife got exposed by somebody else.
Fact is it's stupid for anybody to trust someone else 100%. If have a wife I wouldn't expect her trust me 100% sur I wouldn't get in a relationship with someone who is paranoid but theirs a difference between being reserved/a little skeptical and being paranoid
I guess it's a different world now. My parents (who have been married, going on 46 years this Dec), are pretty much extinct in the relationship realm lol. I think, for them to have been together for THAT long, meant that they have HAD to trust each other 100% and why not? ? ! The minute you create distrust with someone you will CRACK the relationship apart!
People just disagree with me because they like to be mean and or they are jealous! I mean why in the WORLD would you not trust your partner, especially something as serious as this? ! This is like the very FOUNDATION of a good, lasting relationship! TRUST! It's sad if you go into a relationship thinking the worst all the time or at least a lot of the time. You're already putting cracks in it where they shouldn't be really. Especially something as serious as this. What kind of women have you been dating if you cannot even rely on her for important facts like this? ! Think about it.
We live in a world where women are almost automatically believed when they say they've been raped or whoever the father is or whatever just automatically and based off of that alone court cases are frequently decided. How can one have trust in a world that hates them or in a world that is going to put them on the back burner? A lot of people like to talk about women's rights but men's rights are equally just f*****
@crossdressingrihno Fine you know what? I'd actually agree to it JUST to prove I didn't sleep around nor was I lying to my partner! Though I think from then on, the relationship would be on rocky ground.
I really feel like you're branding every woman as "guilty until proven innocent", which I get what you're saying, but still... I hope if you're ever in a relationship, you don't hurt her with your suspicions and you pick a good one.
@TenderFantasy. Too many women cheat too often. And women are really good cheaters. Testing should be mandatory so the man doesn't have to ask for the test, creating drama. If Momma has been getting strange seed launched up her cock holster, at least this might give her aoments pause. Please don't play naive.
See there you guys are lumping women into a the bad category again.
Don't paint me with the same blanket just because you were burned or you're paranoid with people! Give them a real chance! Also, why would I cheat if I had a good one at home? ! Makes no sense. You're probably just a red pill individual that likes to be cruel to women just because of what you've heard and or experienced therefore lumping EVERYONE no exceptions! Thats just like being racist. You categorize EVERY black person as a hoodlum just because it is what you have experienced growing up in the hood or you've heard RUMORS about them being that way. Would it hurt you to be kinder and less hostile? Not everyone is the same when it comes to behavior!
We aren't talking about black people right now we're talking about women.
And no I don't hate women I doubt he does either. Frankly I've only ever been cheated on once and that doesn't bother me either but other men have been cheated on and unfairly might I add. I have seen men fall in love only to be stuck with a kid that isn't theirs just for them to find out years later a kid that they did not want and a kid that was not theirs
We're not saying every woman is a cheating lying son of a b**** we're just saying it does happen and it's a lot better to just have it be mandatory so no one has to appear suspicious.
Millions of men TRUSTED their wives and the wives still had kids from other men and divorced stealing his house, car, kids, money, etc. So if it comes down to trust, NO MEN should trust any women.
Seriously MILLIONS of women have behaved that way. It is the RULE, not the exception that women behave that way.
Only dishonest cheaters wouldn't want paternity tests.
It was only if they demand some kind of support. However given government and culture led by those who dominate the social sciences have largely lost the concept of marriage.
Then in the interest of protecting a man's parental rights yes he should be able to demand such a test.
should either be automatic or at least the staff should be required to ask the possible father if he wants one done to be sure. before any paper work gets signed and submitted to the government.
because a buddy of mine got put on the hook for a child that wasn't his. when the mother forged his information and signature. had to get a court order and testing done to prove he wasn't the father.
Yes, for many men the feeling of 'fatherhood' only occurs post birth. I would be curious how many might realize responsibility and accountability once they themselves have also medically tested 'positive'.
For something to be mandatory, it must be mandated by government. When you let them into your personal life, that will always take your liberty away. Think about masks and vaccines. The government response to COVID has severely weakened our country. If you want your girlfriend tested, tell her.
Yes, and the women that knowingly had a man support a kid that was from somebody else and it can be proven, she should go to prison for fraud and sued for emotional damages to both the man, the child, and the child's biological father.
Men need to start getting more involved in the legal process and stop letting women get away with that kind of abuse. Take them to court and if the judge doesn't like it you can sue the county court for discrimination based on gender.
I'd say yes and I think it would benefit both sexes.
Women who cheat and get pregnant with another man's child get exposed and men who unwittingly get women pregnant can't simply say it isn't their baby and run away.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Don't you think mandatory paternity tests would act as a deterrent for women who want to try to pass a child off as one man's when it's actually anothers? This might also help keep more married women in line.
There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.
One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.
Yeah, but there is a limited amount of time to contest paternity fraud and it's difficult to do. A lot of court cases and administrative work could be avoided with mandatory paternity testing at birth, and a lot of men who are unfairly forced to pay child support (in some cases because a mother collecting welfare was compelled to name the father of the child, but not prove it), and are put at risk of financial ruin and even jail when they have to pay up and/or fight it.
@msc545: Again regarding intimate matters between a man and a woman isn't for the government to stick their noses in unless the man or woman desires for them to come into their personal relationship matters.
Some men seriously just rather not find out if they are the real father of that child because the humiliation is too much to handle. You can't force them.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy. So you don't think men deserve this most basic protection? I don't want the government in my life either, but the fact is, the government is in every aspect of our lives. The woman gets to pick who the father is, "believe all women" bullshit. Men deserve some basic protection.
What I think is fucked up is that in many places the man has to ask permission from the mother, and of course in order to avoid any huge arguments or break-ups many men will just not ask. And then even if they do, and she says no, they canโt do the test.
I see no harm in it being mandatory esp if required to pay child support. It would prevent women from lying to the man about being the father when he is not.
There's another reason why it's a good idea- to keep the mother from leaving the father's name off of the child (ren)'s birth certificate (s). And, yes, that does happen in some cases.
If you want one, it should be provided, but it shouldn't be required. I remember a story of a woman who was having twins. There was a 98% chance they didn't come from the same man. Her husband didn't want to know which one was his biologically so he never wanted a paternity test, because he wanted to see them both as his.
Anyone against them seems like an admitted cheater in my opinion. Seriously they used to have mandatory medical tests so each person knows what they are getting before marriage. Paternity tests should be the same so each person knows what they are getting. It wouldn't harm any innocent person, it would only reveal the disloyal immoral people.
I know a guy and he met a gal, and eventually they hit the sack. He did what he was supposed to do, and he put on a condom. She was furious with him. She thought he was implying something bad about her. So sometimes in life you just can't win. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.
The ideal situation for the paternity test, is for it to just be a law. That way the husband and wife are the "good cops" and the law is the bad cop.
I was listening to a radio show, and they were saying that hospitals had to report gun shot wounds, by law. Then the guest on the show said something funny. He said: "Of course Chicago is exempt, because no one cares." lol
Yeah and it costs them 50 cents to rewash a set of hospital bedsheets, and a nurse gets paid $30 an hour. Doesn't stop them from charging me 2k to have a nurse look at me for 2 minutes in an ER.
@LazerBean Paternity fraud is a very serious issue for men. How much would you be willing to pay to ensure every man is parenting a child he actually fathered?
Then the men can just ask for a test. Asking is free. I'm not willing to pay anything for someone else, and I'm not willing to have to pay extra when I don't want to because other people are trashy.
@LazerBean How do you think the average woman would react (especially a woman who has something to hide) if the man asks for a paternity test? You and I both know how that would go down.
Then men who are worried about that sort of stuff should inform the women they involve themselves with from the start that they will require a test for every child they supposedly have together, and leave everyone else out of it.
@LazerBean. Why should men have to constantly protect themselves from fraudulent behavior by women? Why can't we simply remove all doubt about paternity and move on?
You're asking why men should have to verbalize their important expectations out of a relationship? That just called being a not stupid adult. And the answer is because not stupid people shouldn't have to pay more because of stupid people.
Because most men do not have an agenda against women like you. They trust their wives and gfs , unlike you who have a secret hate agenda against all women.
its because of the fact that you hate all women , which is why you dont trust them to have your kid. Most men dont need paternity tests because they trust women. Most men dont go talking shit about women in GAG either.
Don't understand why they aren't already. Well, I do.
Probably because of the amount it would cost the Gov if all these dads suddenly found out the kids ain't theirs and stopped paying. Uncle Sam foots the bill.
Yew why the hell would any man wanna pay for 18 years of a kid that ain't yours and have a whore of a wife or girlfriend that deceived you. To take care of the kid cause you seem like the stable and decent option.
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paternity fraud is never prosecuted , while divorce courts favor women -a total rigged system against men, this in addition to today's corporations which discriminate against men (especially straight white men) in every way possible.
any wonder so many such men have abandoned the nation state in its demographic death spiral, orchestrated through 6 decades of Frankfurt School Marxism.
No.
I guess if you don't TRUST the person you've become very close to (yes, sex definitely counts as a very intimate act. Physically.), then what are you doing with the person? ? !
It's pretty insulting how the person you supposedly love asks you for a paternity test. Particularily if you've just given birth!
But hey, I think it would depend. Was this just some ho you picked up? Or is it someone you are married to, or in a serious, (hopefully TRUSTING) relationship with? ? ! These things always depend!
Many guys have trust a woman 100% and were lined to through their whole marriage and only found out because the wife got exposed by somebody else.
Fact is it's stupid for anybody to trust someone else 100%. If have a wife I wouldn't expect her trust me 100% sur I wouldn't get in a relationship with someone who is paranoid but theirs a difference between being reserved/a little skeptical and being paranoid
@crossdressingrihno
I guess it's a different world now. My parents (who have been married, going on 46 years this Dec), are pretty much extinct in the relationship realm lol. I think, for them to have been together for THAT long, meant that they have HAD to trust each other 100% and why not? ? ! The minute you create distrust with someone you will CRACK the relationship apart!
People just disagree with me because they like to be mean and or they are jealous! I mean why in the WORLD would you not trust your partner, especially something as serious as this? ! This is like the very FOUNDATION of a good, lasting relationship! TRUST! It's sad if you go into a relationship thinking the worst all the time or at least a lot of the time. You're already putting cracks in it where they shouldn't be really. Especially something as serious as this. What kind of women have you been dating if you cannot even rely on her for important facts like this? ! Think about it.
I don't think I'm being too mean and if I'm being honest I'm not jealous either
We live in a world where women are almost automatically believed when they say they've been raped or whoever the father is or whatever just automatically and based off of that alone court cases are frequently decided. How can one have trust in a world that hates them or in a world that is going to put them on the back burner? A lot of people like to talk about women's rights but men's rights are equally just f*****
@crossdressingrihno Fine you know what? I'd actually agree to it JUST to prove I didn't sleep around nor was I lying to my partner! Though I think from then on, the relationship would be on rocky ground.
I really feel like you're branding every woman as "guilty until proven innocent", which I get what you're saying, but still... I hope if you're ever in a relationship, you don't hurt her with your suspicions and you pick a good one.
-SV
@TenderFantasy. Too many women cheat too often. And women are really good cheaters. Testing should be mandatory so the man doesn't have to ask for the test, creating drama. If Momma has been getting strange seed launched up her cock holster, at least this might give her aoments pause. Please don't play naive.
See there you guys are lumping women into a the bad category again.
Don't paint me with the same blanket just because you were burned or you're paranoid with people! Give them a real chance! Also, why would I cheat if I had a good one at home? ! Makes no sense. You're probably just a red pill individual that likes to be cruel to women just because of what you've heard and or experienced therefore lumping EVERYONE no exceptions! Thats just like being racist. You categorize EVERY black person as a hoodlum just because it is what you have experienced growing up in the hood or you've heard RUMORS about them being that way. Would it hurt you to be kinder and less hostile? Not everyone is the same when it comes to behavior!
We aren't talking about black people right now we're talking about women.
And no I don't hate women I doubt he does either. Frankly I've only ever been cheated on once and that doesn't bother me either but other men have been cheated on and unfairly might I add. I have seen men fall in love only to be stuck with a kid that isn't theirs just for them to find out years later a kid that they did not want and a kid that was not theirs
We're not saying every woman is a cheating lying son of a b**** we're just saying it does happen and it's a lot better to just have it be mandatory so no one has to appear suspicious.
Personally I probably wouldn't ask for a test but this isn't just about me you know
Millions of men TRUSTED their wives and the wives still had kids from other men and divorced stealing his house, car, kids, money, etc. So if it comes down to trust, NO MEN should trust any women.
Seriously MILLIONS of women have behaved that way. It is the RULE, not the exception that women behave that way.
Only dishonest cheaters wouldn't want paternity tests.
It was only if they demand some kind of support.
However given government and culture led by those who dominate the social sciences have largely lost the concept of marriage.
Then in the interest of protecting a man's parental rights yes he should be able to demand such a test.
should either be automatic or at least the staff should be required to ask the possible father if he wants one done to be sure. before any paper work gets signed and submitted to the government.
because a buddy of mine got put on the hook for a child that wasn't his. when the mother forged his information and signature. had to get a court order and testing done to prove he wasn't the father.
Yes, for many men the feeling of 'fatherhood' only occurs post birth. I would be curious how many might realize responsibility and accountability once they themselves have also medically tested 'positive'.
For something to be mandatory, it must be mandated by government. When you let them into your personal life, that will always take your liberty away. Think about masks and vaccines. The government response to COVID has severely weakened our country.
If you want your girlfriend tested, tell her.
Yes, and the women that knowingly had a man support a kid that was from somebody else and it can be proven, she should go to prison for fraud and sued for emotional damages to both the man, the child, and the child's biological father.
Men need to start getting more involved in the legal process and stop letting women get away with that kind of abuse. Take them to court and if the judge doesn't like it you can sue the county court for discrimination based on gender.
https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/
I'd say yes and I think it would benefit both sexes.
Women who cheat and get pregnant with another man's child get exposed and men who unwittingly get women pregnant can't simply say it isn't their baby and run away.
No. For one it isn't the government business to be involved in intimate matters of other people's relationship.
And secondly, some men probably won't desire to know the truth.
If a man desire to know if the baby is 100% his then he can go pay is own diagnostic blood test.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Don't you think mandatory paternity tests would act as a deterrent for women who want to try to pass a child off as one man's when it's actually anothers? This might also help keep more married women in line.
That's their problem, not mines nor anyone's else's. A man that desires to know if a child is biologically his, he can go get a test. That simple.
There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.
One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.
That's not my damn problem. A man has sex with a woman is his problem and responsibility to figure out if the kid is his or not.
Yeah, but there is a limited amount of time to contest paternity fraud and it's difficult to do. A lot of court cases and administrative work could be avoided with mandatory paternity testing at birth, and a lot of men who are unfairly forced to pay child support (in some cases because a mother collecting welfare was compelled to name the father of the child, but not prove it), and are put at risk of financial ruin and even jail when they have to pay up and/or fight it.
@Avicenna: Fine and danddy. The father can request a blood work for the child if he has suspicions.
Forcing people especially regarding an intimate matters shouldn't be a thing that happens.
Some men are perfectly fine not wanting to know if the child is theirs or not and it's their business and choice.
You can't force people into medical decisions. It's not of your business especially when it comes to personal intimate relationships.
You will be giving the government far too much power to now get involved in your bedroom.
The child who doesn't know who his real father deserves a hell of a lot more protection than some greedy woman.
@msc545: Again regarding intimate matters between a man and a woman isn't for the government to stick their noses in unless the man or woman desires for them to come into their personal relationship matters.
Some men seriously just rather not find out if they are the real father of that child because the humiliation is too much to handle. You can't force them.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy. So you don't think men deserve this most basic protection? I don't want the government in my life either, but the fact is, the government is in every aspect of our lives. The woman gets to pick who the father is, "believe all women" bullshit. Men deserve some basic protection.
The man is in his full right to ask for a paternity test if he has suspicion that the kid isn't his.
You are talking about the government forcing romantic couples to get a paternity test and to me that isn't right nor the government business.
Sometimes excluding the government from a situation is not the most important priority even though your politics may say it is.
Thatโs a great questionโฆ here is a poll on what the people of gag think
Should paternity tests be mandated at birth?
... uh more men than women said no dude lol
Iโm not sure that they should be mandatory.
What I think is fucked up is that in many places the man has to ask permission from the mother, and of course in order to avoid any huge arguments or break-ups many men will just not ask. And then even if they do, and she says no, they canโt do the test.
I see no harm in it being mandatory esp if required to pay child support. It would prevent women from lying to the man about being the father when he is not.
Yes, children need or have the right to know which sperm gave life to them. Iโd wanna know who is my father idc if he wants me in his life or not.
It's actually a good idea. If everyone does them, it would lessen the drama surrounding them.
There's another reason why it's a good idea- to keep the mother from leaving the father's name off of the child (ren)'s birth certificate (s). And, yes, that does happen in some cases.
If you want one, it should be provided, but it shouldn't be required. I remember a story of a woman who was having twins. There was a 98% chance they didn't come from the same man. Her husband didn't want to know which one was his biologically so he never wanted a paternity test, because he wanted to see them both as his.
Yes, absolutely. It makes me wonder why all of these people on this thread are afraid of that. hmmm
Why does the truth scare them? Are they hiding something? lol
Anyone against them seems like an admitted cheater in my opinion. Seriously they used to have mandatory medical tests so each person knows what they are getting before marriage. Paternity tests should be the same so each person knows what they are getting. It wouldn't harm any innocent person, it would only reveal the disloyal immoral people.
@HighValue
I know a guy and he met a gal, and eventually they hit the sack. He did what he was supposed to do, and he put on a condom. She was furious with him. She thought he was implying something bad about her. So sometimes in life you just can't win. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.
The ideal situation for the paternity test, is for it to just be a law. That way the husband and wife are the "good cops" and the law is the bad cop.
I was listening to a radio show, and they were saying that hospitals had to report gun shot wounds, by law.
Then the guest on the show said something funny. He said: "Of course Chicago is exempt, because no one cares." lol
I don't think hospitals need another excuse to throw in extra charges on medical bills.
@LazerBean Walmart tests are $14.99.
Yeah and it costs them 50 cents to rewash a set of hospital bedsheets, and a nurse gets paid $30 an hour. Doesn't stop them from charging me 2k to have a nurse look at me for 2 minutes in an ER.
@LazerBean Paternity fraud is a very serious issue for men. How much would you be willing to pay to ensure every man is parenting a child he actually fathered?
Then the men can just ask for a test. Asking is free. I'm not willing to pay anything for someone else, and I'm not willing to have to pay extra when I don't want to because other people are trashy.
@LazerBean How do you think the average woman would react (especially a woman who has something to hide) if the man asks for a paternity test? You and I both know how that would go down.
So? That's their problem. Has nothing to do with me and everyone else shouldn't have to pay for it.
Also if Walmart has them then men can literally just do it themselves. So yeah that update is counterintuitive to your argument.
@LazerBean Men can, but I think there is a larger issue facing society that needs to be addressed.
Then men who are worried about that sort of stuff should inform the women they involve themselves with from the start that they will require a test for every child they supposedly have together, and leave everyone else out of it.
@LazerBean. Why should men have to constantly protect themselves from fraudulent behavior by women? Why can't we simply remove all doubt about paternity and move on?
You're asking why men should have to verbalize their important expectations out of a relationship? That just called being a not stupid adult. And the answer is because not stupid people shouldn't have to pay more because of stupid people.
@LazerBean Women would respond to a paternity test about as well as they respond to a prenup. You know this.
So you only convey your relationship expectations when you think they will be accepted?
Because most men do not have an agenda against women like you. They trust their wives and gfs , unlike you who have a secret hate agenda against all women.
So honesty and truth = hate?
@HighValue
its because of the fact that you hate all women , which is why you dont trust them to have your kid. Most men dont need paternity tests because they trust women. Most men dont go talking shit about women in GAG either.
@shaysh87. Paternity fraud is epidemic.
@KrakenAttackin
its not an epidemic.
only guys who can't get a woman nor someone to have his kids would say its an epidemic.
Don't understand why they aren't already. Well, I do.
Probably because of the amount it would cost the Gov if all these dads suddenly found out the kids ain't theirs and stopped paying. Uncle Sam foots the bill.
Yew why the hell would any man wanna pay for 18 years of a kid that ain't yours and have a whore of a wife or girlfriend that deceived you. To take care of the kid cause you seem like the stable and decent option.
Bro bunch of racist white bitch especially ๐๐๐๐
@Tornado92 lol these chick's will forever be cat ladies
For real Bro ๐๐๐๐