I think that they should be available to anyone who wants them, but I don't think that they should be mandatory. I just think that requiring them would plant seeds of mistrust between partners, and that's that's not good for their relationship, or for the child.
I just know that I would be pretty insulted if my partner were to ask for a paternity test. I would let him have one, of course. But I would be pretty hurt by the fact that he didn't trust me.
So for the government to mandate something like that... it would be a pretty big slap in the face to women.
Also, if you were to mandate it, what would the consequences be if people refused? Are you going to take their kids away? Because that's not okay. And what if the father isn't in the picture. What if he left, or the mother doesn't know who he is? How is she supposed to prove that? What about kids born through sperm donation?
Paternity tests are already commonplace for men being asked to pay child support. And I think that that's completely well and good. I also think that if a man thinks that he may be the father of a child, he should be able to request a paternity test. (If he has sufficient grounds for believing it, that is, because otherwise paternity test requests would very quickly become a method for stalkers to insert themselves into the lives of their victims. I say this as someone who has had stalkers before).
But to require them of single mothers, or parents who have been in a committed, monogamous relationship for years. That's not okay.
Paternity tests are not standard or common when requiring child support. A minority of states even offer it, and none require it. Contrarily, 33 states have “dad by default” laws. A man CANNOT challenge paternity once declared by the mother. Even “sneaking” a DNA test behind the mother’s back can result in prison time. Mind you, these laws also apply to men who BOTH parties know are NOT the biological father. If a woman cheats and gets pregnant, she can still hold her husband responsible for child support under the law. If a man dates a woman who’s already pregnant, knowingly or not, she can claim he’s the father and he’s held responsible. In some cases, because biological fathers are always responsible, if there are DBD laws on the books, a woman can collect child support from BOTH men. I used to work with just such a woman many years ago. Wicked bitch, that one. Everyone knew it too, but there’s nothing anyone could do about it.
@Chazmatazz269 There are some exceptions to these dads by default laws. In some cases, a man has a limited amount of time to object and in almost all cases must be married to the mother. Another issue for a man in this situation is if he while knowing about the wife's adultery sleeps with her again. I know a married guy that did this in Michigan last year. His wife got pregnant by another man. He refused to reconcile with her, demanded a paternity test, and got out of paying child support. He still got hit hard in the divorce, but is free of both mother and child today!
I think I sort of understand the issue here. If a man asks his partner for a paternity test that could offend the women who maybe has been faithful the whole time and would be hurt that her partner doesn't trust her. However, a man who's been burned before might not want to pay for, and love a child that's not biologically his. So making it mandatory would clear up any hurt feelings on either side, neither would have a choice in the matter, so there is nothing to be offended or hurt about from each other. I think what some of the other users are talking about is that it sounds like too much goverment overreach and all of that which I understand as well. However, who says the goverment would be allow to keep the DNA on file, it should be destroyed once the answer is revealed.
I see that the majority of naysayers are women. Funny, it's like they are trying to hide their own mischievious behavior. Any woman who thinks it shouldn't be mandatory is someone I will assume to have something to hide.
If you got nothing to hide, then you shouldn't have an issue granting your man the privilege and HIS RIGHT to know 100% that the child he is about to take care of for the next 18-21 years to actually be HIS. Whether it is a baby daddy, a boyfriend or a husband. If you truly did love your man, you wouldn't have an issue granting him his right.
Paternity fraud is a SERIOUS thing. Any woman who has an issue with this is either a cheater herself or she is an enabler. Don't come to me with the bullshit of medical bills or the government being "too engaged". Because you wouldn't have an issue running to the government for alimony or childsupport. But you do have an issue with giving the man his basic human RIGHT to know that the kid is indeed his.
Yes. Make it mandatory to allow men to know who their kid is.
@TruthBringer. Exactly right. Even the mere discussion of accountability scares the hell out of a large percentage of woman.
Hell yes. It would stop paternity fraud, and it would let kids know who their real fathers were instead of just the richest guy Mom could accuse.
@msc545 There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.
One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.
@KrakenAttackin As to your update comment, I've run into the situation before where men refused to have a paternity test against all apparent logic. Turns out many men do not want to actually know that their wives or girlfriends cheated on them (and usually keep cheating) because then they would feel compelled to leave them. Even worse, they would have to revise their feelings for and relationships with the children they suddenly found out are not their natural children. That is a lot for any man to handle and a lot of guys would really rather not deal with it. I personally had a paternity test of my daughter when she was three months old because I don't trust any woman in this regard, and fortunately, it turned out she is my daughter. I was lucky since her mother really is a piece of shit, but my daughter is a gem.
I think it would keep men from trying to deny fatherhood or getting away from fatherhood responsibilities. We need more fathers actually being fathers instead of jacking around m. I want to see them changing diapers, burping, feeding, pushing strollers, taking them to the doctor and doing all the mom shit. A man’s money is no longer enough.
I think they should be available upon the request of either the mother or a putative father, but I would not favor government mandates when both mother and father may be quite content without going to the trouble of the paternity test.
There really isn't any "trouble" for a paternity test, just a cheek swab of the infant and the father. In my state it is mandatory that newborns are given antibiotics squirted in their eyes to ward off Syphilis (because so many women have Syphilis), unless the parents have a "religious objection".
Why haven't the insurance companies mandated paternity testing? If the father is the one with the benefits, the insurance company will be on the hook for all of the expenses from pre-natal until the kid is 26 years old (potentially). If insurance companies simply required proof of paternity before the child is placed on the insurance, this would make things interesting.
While it's refreshing to see that 44% of women agree this is a good idea, it's still disgusting that 56% don't, and that is indicative of the continued lack of support for fairness in gender equality and rights for men. There is literally only one valid reason why a woman would not support mandatory paternity testing and that is her desire to retain her ability to cheat and commit fraud.
"Paternity fraud is very common in the United States and around the world. According to the American Association of Blood Banks, a research report was submitted by accredited parentage laboratories. The results showed three out of every ten men tested were found not to be the biological father. There were about 300,000 DNA Paternity testing cases analyzed and roughly 100,000 men have deemed not the father. It is important to note, the DNA results submitted for this study were Legal DNA testing results. No peace of mind DNA tests as part of the study."
https://immigrationdnatestonline.com/paternity-fraud-2/#:~:text=Paternity%20fraud%20is%20very%20common,to%20be%20the%20biological%20father.
In every case of paternity fraud, and there are clearly many, there are three primary victims: the man who is lied to and told he is the father when he really isn't, the actual father who is robbed of his right to know and be a part of his child's life, and the child who is robbed of his/her right to know his/her father and have him as part of his/her life. Injustices like this are not tolerated today when a woman is the victim. Why do we as a society still not recognize and care about these injustices to men?
To those complaining that a paternity test would create distrust in a couple, that is not true at all if the tests are mandated because it's not the father who is requesting it. In fact, they would only serve to build trust because the father would always know he is the real father and have no reason to doubt his wife / baby mamma.
To those claiming it is an invasion of privacy, it is an invasion only in the same sense that enforcing any other law is. That's an absurd argument against fighting crime.
This should be a no-brainer to anyone who cares about equal rights and justice for both sexes. But it's sadly no surprise that more than half of women do not care about "equality" unless it benefits them.
No.
I guess if you don't TRUST the person you've become very close to (yes, sex definitely counts as a very intimate act. Physically.), then what are you doing with the person? ? !
It's pretty insulting how the person you supposedly love asks you for a paternity test. Particularily if you've just given birth!
But hey, I think it would depend. Was this just some ho you picked up? Or is it someone you are married to, or in a serious, (hopefully TRUSTING) relationship with? ? ! These things always depend!
Many guys have trust a woman 100% and were lined to through their whole marriage and only found out because the wife got exposed by somebody else.
Fact is it's stupid for anybody to trust someone else 100%. If have a wife I wouldn't expect her trust me 100% sur I wouldn't get in a relationship with someone who is paranoid but theirs a difference between being reserved/a little skeptical and being paranoid
@crossdressingrihno
I guess it's a different world now. My parents (who have been married, going on 46 years this Dec), are pretty much extinct in the relationship realm lol. I think, for them to have been together for THAT long, meant that they have HAD to trust each other 100% and why not? ? ! The minute you create distrust with someone you will CRACK the relationship apart!
People just disagree with me because they like to be mean and or they are jealous! I mean why in the WORLD would you not trust your partner, especially something as serious as this? ! This is like the very FOUNDATION of a good, lasting relationship! TRUST! It's sad if you go into a relationship thinking the worst all the time or at least a lot of the time. You're already putting cracks in it where they shouldn't be really. Especially something as serious as this. What kind of women have you been dating if you cannot even rely on her for important facts like this? ! Think about it.
Uh, I see where you're going but I disagree. The reason people want paternity testing is so they can work with the system by the system's current rules that say the dad needs to pay child support. So the dad is wondering, 'is this really my kid or not'. But if we go back to traditional ways it doesn't matter cause then it's 100% okay for a parent to disown a kid or reject a kid. There's no obligation to support a kid regardless of the circumstances and I support going back to the old ways in many areas.
I think it’s a good rule for both parties tbh.
Some guys go years paying and investing emotionally in a child that’s not biologically theirs, whilst others miss out all together on an experience because another guy took his place unknowingly.
I believe it would also make women think twice about straying, or deliberately choosing an incorrect more “suitable guy” for his money, or because he would make a better farther than the actual dad.
Then you have the dead-beats who deny the paternity all together, to avoid child support.
It’s a win win on everybody’s account. Especially if the paternity checking price can start that low.
Shouldn't be mandatory because when someone gets married to a good virgin girl and the wife gets pregnant and deliver a baby who looks like his father than asking the wife if it's his kid is like a dagger stabbed in the woman's heart and such mistrust can lead to a divorce!
I believe that a paternity test should be mandatory if the woman sleeps with casual men and got pregnant out of the wedlock...
In my state, if a man and woman are married... and she gets pregnant, the father is automatically on the Childs birth certificate.
Even if he isn't actually the father, say she cheated... so when/if he finds out he isn't the father and files for divorce, he is now stuck with child support.
I'd say, if it was legally required at birth it would prevent that, or at least it should. Rather than have the 'husband' automatically be the father... how about see if he is actually the father first.
I know cheaters hate this idea though, cause they love their man and don't want him to find out, and they are okay with him raising a kid that he thinks is his, even if it isn't.
Honestly I don't think there's a reason to.
That's just ridiculous I'm sorry do you really want to give the government that much power to the fact that now they're going to have everyone's DNA? Shoot no need for fingerprints that would be a law that would just open up a Pandora's box the government having every single person DNA ever born or whoever has had children not a good idea. It just seems wrong imagine the things they could do or attempt to do the odd experimentations... No thank you.
it's kind of ridiculous besides nowadays it's very simple just to go to Walgreens grab the swab swab the child's mouth swab you're own with no one ever even finding out you send it secretly to a lab (hope that they're an honest company when you select the box that says no they cannot sell your information) and you get the results in a few weeks at the privacy of you own home.
@meetkitty123 Legislation could handle this by restricting dissemination of the data, and numbers could be assigned rather than names.
Don't you agree that mandatory paternity tests would be a good deterrent against people being unfaithful and trying to pass the child off as someone else's?
I honestly don't know
We're living in such a modern age time that honestly a woman can't hide it anyways I don't see the reason for a law However I'm not in agreeance with what the other user said about France and it being illegal for a man to seek a paternity test without the woman's knowledge I cannot see how that would be going against anyones rights. The way I see it woman shouldn't care if the guy wants a paternity test if she's got nothing to worry about
Besides its
Honestly very easy to get a paternity test I didn't have any issue when there was a man insisting he was the father to my child and I was insisting that he was not
I went to Walgreens bought the kit and then paid for the laboratory price separate
Now getting the guy to take the paternity test was a bitch he was quite arrogant
But honestly the good thing about the Walgreens test you don't need both parents so a man can do the test on his own he doesn't need the woman's DNA
Now explaining it to the child without letting the child know what I was doing was a little harder so I bought the family a whole bunch of 23andMe
The child simply assumed it had something to do with the 23and me
And the results was exactly how I said it was going to be the man claiming that my child was his was not the father
@meetkitty123 But women can and do hide paternity fraud. Here is what I posted above:
There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.
One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.
Oh, this is a hot button subject! Last year there was news out of the UK that almost a third of children born with the man listed as the father was in fact NOT the father. As DNA testing gets more and more common place I see no reason to not test before a man's name is placed on a birth document by administrative means. With copies of the testing made part of the document. Then in other situations, a Judge can do it. I think it is VITAL that when a child is born that their biological parents are part of their birth records for medical reasons later on. The trust argument goes away when the process of DNA testing is mandatory and done by the hospital BEFORE the documents are sent to the government that handles vital stats. Does paternity fraud happen? YES, it does! I know a man that lives in Williamsburg Virginia that has recovered close to $25,000 from a man that got his wife pregnant and she baby trapped him. It's about accountability and I see NOTHING wrong with that!
I just noticed the asker made an update questioning why some men are not wanting these tests. the answer to this is simple. It is twofold though. First, there are some folks male and female that detest anything to do with accountability for their actions. Then last, there is a term for men who hump and dump. They are called "Chad and Tyrone" In most cases, this is the men that make these babies. Of course, they don't want mandatory testing. It holds them accountable.
Absolutely, I can't imagine what it must feel like caring for your child for 18 years, working hard to provide and caring for them only to find out that your wife banged some other guy and the child was never yours. It's one thing to adopt, it has already been established that your child isn't yours, and its another to be lied to by someone you trusted and would give your life for.
@letuswaltzforthedead At the age of 17 you got more brains than many other pink users here older than you. Props to you for having the emotional intelligence to try and place yourself in the shoes of others. You've said it wonderfully. There is no bigger fear for a man to find out that the child he nurtered and was breaking his back for ended up never being his. Thank you for being open minded and thoughtful.
Mandatory implies you'd be forced to take it whether you wanted or needed paternity information or not, so no. There are a lot of guys and women who are well aware of who they are sleeping with so mandating this, I'm sure at cost, would be a waste of time and money.
Legally speaking, at least in my state (I had to look this one up), a mother or father can request a paternity test be done in court. Over the counter paternity tests are not admissible. The tests must be performed by a lab as mandated by the court and one must have consent to do so, meaning you can't just swab the child or the father against their will and submit that as evidence. If the father refuses or is unavailable, a court can still run a DNA test with closest match relatives to determine paternity.
I'll answer this question first and say yes it should be mandatory.
@hlopinionated_ For blocking me, I will just say it here. It seems to me you don't know what "ignore" means either. I mean im not the one who is trying to run away. You are. So why am I the one who should stop? LOL. And yes resort to that cliche "block because i don't know how to ignore" tactic. by the way that's a self solving problem for me. Because I love it with morons block me so I don't have to deal with them.
@KrakenAttackin I've actually accomplished something like letting that moron block me. And I don't mind because in the end, I eat pigs anyways.
Considering that up to 20% or more fathers are unknowingly raising children that aren't theirs I would say definitely mandatory. Or at the very least the mother should not be permitted to stop it. In France a man can go to prison for getting a DNA test without the consent of the mother.
Such matters need not involve the government fir our iwn protection
However of course a man should be allowed to test it on his own. I quite personally want to give a shit if the man went behind my back and tested my child hella being a waste of a hundred and something dollars but hey he chose to waste it will come back with the correct results 99.99% the father whatever if thats what he needs thats what he needs. Now it would only be laughable if my son's father attempted such a thing since my son is a replica minus the gray eyes and he has my lips but that's about it everything else looks as if he was cloned from his father
But I wouldbt be opposed if his father wanted to do something like that then he can go ahead and do it
I honestly don't understand why some women are against this unless they have something to hide. If they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about. What breaks my heart the most is kids not knowing who their real father is and fathers not knowing they have a kid. That's just wrong.
Sure.
Just gives women the right without any hassle of calling the police because the loser won't get lost, suing him for damages, etc., to throw a cheating boyfriend, fiance or husband out on their ass when the cheap hoe they were screwing says she's pregnant & guess what buddy boy you're the father.
Mandatory in all countries where there is a legal responsibility from the father. Otherwise the legal responsibility should be forfeited. Ie a woman should have the bad choice to go out and get a kid without involving the father. No need for a sperm bank.
paternity fraud is never prosecuted , while divorce courts favor women -a total rigged system against men, this in addition to today's corporations which discriminate against men (especially straight white men) in every way possible.
any wonder so many such men have abandoned the nation state in its demographic death spiral, orchestrated through 6 decades of Frankfurt School Marxism.
This one is for the women who are against it:
What if the nurse made a mistake and switched babies? Would you not want the assurance that its yours? Testing for paternity will solve both issues.
Women don't tend to see the issue men have with fear of the child not being their own since the child comes out of the mother so maternity is always assured.
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What about those of us in the states?
Also what about the 4%? Aren't their livelihoods worth consideration? Besides for the most part it only hurts the guilty parties
@crossdressingrihno I don't know the number in the US.
But sure those are worth considering, so make tests available to any that asks for them. Make it mandatory sounds like an imposition from the government and not letting people chose.
For something to be mandatory, it must be mandated by government. When you let them into your personal life, that will always take your liberty away. Think about masks and vaccines. The government response to COVID has severely weakened our country.
If you want your girlfriend tested, tell her.
Yes, and the women that knowingly had a man support a kid that was from somebody else and it can be proven, she should go to prison for fraud and sued for emotional damages to both the man, the child, and the child's biological father.
Men need to start getting more involved in the legal process and stop letting women get away with that kind of abuse. Take them to court and if the judge doesn't like it you can sue the county court for discrimination based on gender.
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