Should paternity tests be mandatory?

[KrakenAttackin]

YES, paternity tests should be mandatory.

NO, paternity tests should not be mandatory.

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Walmart has OTC paternity tests available for $14.99.

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I'm shocked by how many men don't think paternity testing should be mandatory.

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Women opposed to mandatory paternity testing really confirms how women believe they have a right to defraud men.

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Results are in. Men say yes, women say no. Wonder why ladies? What are you hiding?

This tells me women believe they have a right to defraud men and their children.

[Anonymous]

I think that they should be available to anyone who wants them, but I don't think that they should be mandatory. I just think that requiring them would plant seeds of mistrust between partners, and that's that's not good for their relationship, or for the child.

I just know that I would be pretty insulted if my partner were to ask for a paternity test. I would let him have one, of course. But I would be pretty hurt by the fact that he didn't trust me.

So for the government to mandate something like that... it would be a pretty big slap in the face to women.

Also, if you were to mandate it, what would the consequences be if people refused? Are you going to take their kids away? Because that's not okay. And what if the father isn't in the picture. What if he left, or the mother doesn't know who he is? How is she supposed to prove that? What about kids born through sperm donation?

Paternity tests are already commonplace for men being asked to pay child support. And I think that that's completely well and good. I also think that if a man thinks that he may be the father of a child, he should be able to request a paternity test. (If he has sufficient grounds for believing it, that is, because otherwise paternity test requests would very quickly become a method for stalkers to insert themselves into the lives of their victims. I say this as someone who has had stalkers before).

But to require them of single mothers, or parents who have been in a committed, monogamous relationship for years. That's not okay.

[Subarugirl]

It wouldn't plant mistrust if it was just a standard procedure before signing a birth certificate.

[Chazmatazz269]

Paternity tests are not standard or common when requiring child support. A minority of states even offer it, and none require it. Contrarily, 33 states have “dad by default” laws. A man CANNOT challenge paternity once declared by the mother. Even “sneaking” a DNA test behind the mother’s back can result in prison time. Mind you, these laws also apply to men who BOTH parties know are NOT the biological father. If a woman cheats and gets pregnant, she can still hold her husband responsible for child support under the law. If a man dates a woman who’s already pregnant, knowingly or not, she can claim he’s the father and he’s held responsible. In some cases, because biological fathers are always responsible, if there are DBD laws on the books, a woman can collect child support from BOTH men. I used to work with just such a woman many years ago. Wicked bitch, that one. Everyone knew it too, but there’s nothing anyone could do about it.

[Moose304]

@Chazmatazz269 There are some exceptions to these dads by default laws. In some cases, a man has a limited amount of time to object and in almost all cases must be married to the mother. Another issue for a man in this situation is if he while knowing about the wife's adultery sleeps with her again. I know a married guy that did this in Michigan last year. His wife got pregnant by another man. He refused to reconcile with her, demanded a paternity test, and got out of paying child support. He still got hit hard in the divorce, but is free of both mother and child today!

[KrakenAttackin]

@Chazmatazz269 Un-fucking real.

[Anonymous]

I think I sort of understand the issue here. If a man asks his partner for a paternity test that could offend the women who maybe has been faithful the whole time and would be hurt that her partner doesn't trust her. However, a man who's been burned before might not want to pay for, and love a child that's not biologically his. So making it mandatory would clear up any hurt feelings on either side, neither would have a choice in the matter, so there is nothing to be offended or hurt about from each other. I think what some of the other users are talking about is that it sounds like too much goverment overreach and all of that which I understand as well. However, who says the goverment would be allow to keep the DNA on file, it should be destroyed once the answer is revealed.

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon... YES, BRAVO, EXACTLY!!!

[msc545]

You don't need to get the mother's DNA or permission. It's easy to swab the kid's cheek when Mom is out for "girl's night" in the bar looking for her next guy.

[TruthBringer]

I see that the majority of naysayers are women. Funny, it's like they are trying to hide their own mischievious behavior. Any woman who thinks it shouldn't be mandatory is someone I will assume to have something to hide.

If you got nothing to hide, then you shouldn't have an issue granting your man the privilege and HIS RIGHT to know 100% that the child he is about to take care of for the next 18-21 years to actually be HIS. Whether it is a baby daddy, a boyfriend or a husband. If you truly did love your man, you wouldn't have an issue granting him his right.

Paternity fraud is a SERIOUS thing. Any woman who has an issue with this is either a cheater herself or she is an enabler. Don't come to me with the bullshit of medical bills or the government being "too engaged". Because you wouldn't have an issue running to the government for alimony or childsupport. But you do have an issue with giving the man his basic human RIGHT to know that the kid is indeed his.

Yes. Make it mandatory to allow men to know who their kid is.

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer. Exactly right. Even the mere discussion of accountability scares the hell out of a large percentage of woman.

[msc545]

Hell yes. It would stop paternity fraud, and it would let kids know who their real fathers were instead of just the richest guy Mom could accuse.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.

One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.

[msc545]

Absolutely correct. Usually, the motive is money.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin As to your update comment, I've run into the situation before where men refused to have a paternity test against all apparent logic. Turns out many men do not want to actually know that their wives or girlfriends cheated on them (and usually keep cheating) because then they would feel compelled to leave them. Even worse, they would have to revise their feelings for and relationships with the children they suddenly found out are not their natural children. That is a lot for any man to handle and a lot of guys would really rather not deal with it. I personally had a paternity test of my daughter when she was three months old because I don't trust any woman in this regard, and fortunately, it turned out she is my daughter. I was lucky since her mother really is a piece of shit, but my daughter is a gem.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. Yes, you are correct. I still want mandatory testing to hold women absolutely accountable.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. I have a similar story to yours, I agree that my kid is the best and ex is the worst.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin I'm sorry you too had to go through this - it's hell.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin Mandatory testing is a must. Too many women commit paternity fraud.

[msc545]

Thanks for MHO

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. I believe what you say and I can imagine some men not wanting the test, but at least he had the opportunity. My heart just goes out to the men and kids who have had this awful fraud committed against them.

[msc545]

So even if the man doesn't want to know, as you accurately point out - others are involved and they may want to know.

[MzAsh]

I think it would keep men from trying to deny fatherhood or getting away from fatherhood responsibilities. We need more fathers actually being fathers instead of jacking around m. I want to see them changing diapers, burping, feeding, pushing strollers, taking them to the doctor and doing all the mom shit. A man’s money is no longer enough.

[msc545]

The thing is that doing all that stuff, at least for me, was a joy - right up to the point that my wife decided to divorce me because I wasn't making enough money to suit her. You cannot have it both ways.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 BINGO! Most men want to be a part of their kids lives, it's the baby mommas that stop them.

[MzAsh]

I’m sorry that happened to you. If it were me, I’d gladly go to work to earn the money if he’d quit his job and stay home to take care of the child.

[msc545]

Somebody has to pay the rent or mortgage. It is rarely the woman who thinks she deserves to live for free.

[msc545]

That shit happens to men all the time. She divorces him, gets the child (family law courts are anti-male), and gets the child support. He gets legal obligations.

[MzAsh]

I’ve found it much easier as a woman to earn your own money regardless. No one gets to dictate your life when you do. When you depend on everyone for survival, you can expect most people to keep you under their thumb.

[msc545]

That is to some extent right, but many entitled women expect to be supported by men.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. That's a fair statement. I think that commiting paternity fraud is the single deepest wound a woman can inflict on a man, and men deserve some protection.

[msc545]

I think you are mostly right, but stealing a child is right up there with paternity fraud Kraken.

[KrakenAttackin]

Where is @Subarugirl? Anyone know if she is ok?

[msc545]

I saw her here last week...

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 @. Yes, I hadn't thought of that. Stealing my kid is still a big fear of mine with my ex. Fortunately, if she does decide to move, I have very portable skills.

[msc545]

Mine did that to me, then got a restraining order in the new state, and threatened me with making false accusations if I tried to see my daughter. I could not afford to travel there at that time and my lawyer advised me not to. That was the end of seeing my daughter for many years.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 Holy shit, that's awful bro! I am so sorry that happened to you. I was also the victim of false accusations which costs me an extra $25k in legal fees, and cost me bargaining power in the divorce. When I was cleared of any wrong doing were there any reprocussions for her? Nope. Sucks to the bone.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin I'm sorry Kraken - that just sucks. Glad you are out of it, if you now are, I hope.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 I am, thanks.

[Po1989]

It would keep the bad ones in check on both sides. Men who want to shirk responsibility and women who want to sleep around and trick some other poor man into paying for another guy's kid.

[ronaldo75]

"I think it would keep men from trying to deny fatherhood or getting away from fatherhood responsibilities." - It would also save us from being baby trapped and lied to by conniving whores and gold diggers. In Michigan men can't demand DNA tests in child support cases and its estimated 1/4 of Men on child support in Michigan are paying child support to kids that aren't theirs. We need forced DNA testing in the delivery room by law. It will catch the good and bad on both sides.

[KrakenAttackin]

@ronaldo75 Exactly right.

[msc545]

@ronaldo75 You really DO need it.

[MzAsh]

If you’re smart you won’t be sleeping with those women in the first place.

[ronaldo75]

Would you tell a woman whos been raped "If you were smart you wouldn't be hanging around that type of man in the first place?" ... Answer me with a YES or NO.

[MzAsh]

With rape, you didn’t have the choice. If you chose to sleep with someone then what I said applies.

[ronaldo75]

Exactly, women are never to blame and never responsible for anything. Because no man is ever manipulated into sex and pregnancy by a woman. Nope. Never happens. And rape victims NEVER get raped after an entire night of ignoring red flags. Nope.

[ronaldo75]

Interesting how you also tap danced from answering with a yes or no answer. Very Typical but not surprising.

[MzAsh]

You still knowingly and voluntarily sleeping with that psycho bitch married woman?

[msc545]

Ronaldo, according to MzAsh, it will always be your fault and never the woman's fault. I could be blamed for sleeping with a Psycho woman because in my profession I should know what I am getting into. Ronaldo, maybe not so much, and definitely not his fault.

[MzAsh]

He used to tell me he knew what he was getting into and literally admitted he didn’t care. Oh but now he does?

[msc545]

I don't know and I doubt you do either.

[MzAsh]

Lol sure

[Exterminatore]

I want to see women digging ditches and running heavy machinery and lifting heavy objects. You know. Doing guy stuff. Just so I can laugh at the strong and independent women doing this as they explain a man should do that type of manual labor because they’re stronger, but they should be paid equally to men despite lacking equal ability. Just like where I work now.

The women can do that. Then I can get on Opra and bitch about how hard being a single dad is. Hey, those Disney movies aren’t going to put themselves in the DVD player and someone has to feed these kids Fruit Roll Ups all while lying to myself and saying what a good dad I am, completely forgetting I let some turd who I knew wouldn’t stick around get pregnant by me, then complain they are dead beats.

[bean2k21]

It gets better guys, trust me. I threw up my hands at the whole juvy system. Decided to just live my life. Yeah, it sucks being forced out of your child's life. But I make 6 figures, dabble in the stock market, bought some rental property. And that dumb, government-check getting bitch can suck my dick, acting like she should have a gold medal for being a mother. Any vending machine can accept money and pop something out of it.

[MzAsh]

In what ways we’re you forced out of your child’s life?

[Chazmatazz269]

Curious so many dudes who would want mandatory paternity tests are mad that you want it too, but for different reasons. Haha! Geezus, guys. If you feel the need to argue with someone who agrees with you, you’re probably mentally ill. Seek help. Ell oh ell!

[MzAsh]

That’s exactly why I said it too lol

[ronaldo75]

Sweden recently BANNED and illegalized at-birth DNA requests... I wonder why?

[grega239]

I'd also stop women from lying about who the father is

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh didn't read every comment but in my opinion time with the child is a reward not a burden. The parents should pony up for the time and control over the child. Men and women both generally want to be involved. And if they are broke or happy to put a child first and material things last, that's not a bad thing. A man or woman who hardly earns a penny shouldn't be penalized if they want to spend every waking moment with that child. The fact a parent would go without any financial assistance of the other parent should be the minimum proof they want to be the best parent. Example a parent who days idgaf that spouse is shit and I'd struggle to keep them out of their life has more credibility than one who says I want the child so I can get a $1000 a month payment.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Just stop. Women are amazing actors and have no problem being merciless when it benefits them. You know this.

[MzAsh]

If a man chooses his partner correctly, needing a paternity test won’t even cross his mind. However, most fail at deliberately choosing partners to be the mother of their children and they know it.

[OlderAndWiser]

I think they should be available upon the request of either the mother or a putative father, but I would not favor government mandates when both mother and father may be quite content without going to the trouble of the paternity test.

[KrakenAttackin]

There really isn't any "trouble" for a paternity test, just a cheek swab of the infant and the father. In my state it is mandatory that newborns are given antibiotics squirted in their eyes to ward off Syphilis (because so many women have Syphilis), unless the parents have a "religious objection".

Why haven't the insurance companies mandated paternity testing? If the father is the one with the benefits, the insurance company will be on the hook for all of the expenses from pre-natal until the kid is 26 years old (potentially). If insurance companies simply required proof of paternity before the child is placed on the insurance, this would make things interesting.

[Anonymous]

While it's refreshing to see that 44% of women agree this is a good idea, it's still disgusting that 56% don't, and that is indicative of the continued lack of support for fairness in gender equality and rights for men. There is literally only one valid reason why a woman would not support mandatory paternity testing and that is her desire to retain her ability to cheat and commit fraud.

"Paternity fraud is very common in the United States and around the world. According to the American Association of Blood Banks, a research report was submitted by accredited parentage laboratories. The results showed three out of every ten men tested were found not to be the biological father. There were about 300,000 DNA Paternity testing cases analyzed and roughly 100,000 men have deemed not the father. It is important to note, the DNA results submitted for this study were Legal DNA testing results. No peace of mind DNA tests as part of the study."

https://immigrationdnatestonline.com/paternity-fraud-2/#:~:text=Paternity%20fraud%20is%20very%20common,to%20be%20the%20biological%20father.

In every case of paternity fraud, and there are clearly many, there are three primary victims: the man who is lied to and told he is the father when he really isn't, the actual father who is robbed of his right to know and be a part of his child's life, and the child who is robbed of his/her right to know his/her father and have him as part of his/her life. Injustices like this are not tolerated today when a woman is the victim. Why do we as a society still not recognize and care about these injustices to men?

To those complaining that a paternity test would create distrust in a couple, that is not true at all if the tests are mandated because it's not the father who is requesting it. In fact, they would only serve to build trust because the father would always know he is the real father and have no reason to doubt his wife / baby mamma.

To those claiming it is an invasion of privacy, it is an invasion only in the same sense that enforcing any other law is. That's an absurd argument against fighting crime.

This should be a no-brainer to anyone who cares about equal rights and justice for both sexes. But it's sadly no surprise that more than half of women do not care about "equality" unless it benefits them.

[Moose304]

There is a reason for this. It is about accountability. Being accountable for your actions is something BOTH sexes have a problem with!

[Opinion Owner]

@Moose304 I agree with that, but I'm not sure what your position is on the issue. Can your elaborate?

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon... YES! Women need to be held accountable! We give women the accountability of six year olds but yet they want all the power they can get. Absurd!

[England4eva]

I think it’s a good rule for both parties tbh.

Some guys go years paying and investing emotionally in a child that’s not biologically theirs, whilst others miss out all together on an experience because another guy took his place unknowingly.

I believe it would also make women think twice about straying, or deliberately choosing an incorrect more “suitable guy” for his money, or because he would make a better farther than the actual dad.

Then you have the dead-beats who deny the paternity all together, to avoid child support.

It’s a win win on everybody’s account. Especially if the paternity checking price can start that low.

[TonyMetal___86]

Shouldn't be mandatory because when someone gets married to a good virgin girl and the wife gets pregnant and deliver a baby who looks like his father than asking the wife if it's his kid is like a dagger stabbed in the woman's heart and such mistrust can lead to a divorce!

I believe that a paternity test should be mandatory if the woman sleeps with casual men and got pregnant out of the wedlock...

[KrakenAttackin]

@TonyMetal___86 "A good Virgin girl", show me a western woman who meets that description. Also, which are there more of in the west, "good Virgin girls" or lying, cheating, whores?

[letuswaltzforthedead]

Absolutely, I can't imagine what it must feel like caring for your child for 18 years, working hard to provide and caring for them only to find out that your wife banged some other guy and the child was never yours. It's one thing to adopt, it has already been established that your child isn't yours, and its another to be lied to by someone you trusted and would give your life for.

[KrakenAttackin]

@letuswaltzforthedead. Thank you so much for your post!

[KrakenAttackin]

I would have expected her to be throwing rocks at me 😂

[TruthBringer]

@letuswaltzforthedead At the age of 17 you got more brains than many other pink users here older than you. Props to you for having the emotional intelligence to try and place yourself in the shoes of others. You've said it wonderfully. There is no bigger fear for a man to find out that the child he nurtered and was breaking his back for ended up never being his. Thank you for being open minded and thoughtful.

[Aerissa_Jade]

In my state, if a man and woman are married... and she gets pregnant, the father is automatically on the Childs birth certificate.

Even if he isn't actually the father, say she cheated... so when/if he finds out he isn't the father and files for divorce, he is now stuck with child support.

I'd say, if it was legally required at birth it would prevent that, or at least it should. Rather than have the 'husband' automatically be the father... how about see if he is actually the father first.

I know cheaters hate this idea though, cause they love their man and don't want him to find out, and they are okay with him raising a kid that he thinks is his, even if it isn't.

[Moose304]

Oh, this is a hot button subject! Last year there was news out of the UK that almost a third of children born with the man listed as the father was in fact NOT the father. As DNA testing gets more and more common place I see no reason to not test before a man's name is placed on a birth document by administrative means. With copies of the testing made part of the document. Then in other situations, a Judge can do it. I think it is VITAL that when a child is born that their biological parents are part of their birth records for medical reasons later on. The trust argument goes away when the process of DNA testing is mandatory and done by the hospital BEFORE the documents are sent to the government that handles vital stats. Does paternity fraud happen? YES, it does! I know a man that lives in Williamsburg Virginia that has recovered close to $25,000 from a man that got his wife pregnant and she baby trapped him. It's about accountability and I see NOTHING wrong with that!

[Moose304]

I just noticed the asker made an update questioning why some men are not wanting these tests. the answer to this is simple. It is twofold though. First, there are some folks male and female that detest anything to do with accountability for their actions. Then last, there is a term for men who hump and dump. They are called "Chad and Tyrone" In most cases, this is the men that make these babies. Of course, they don't want mandatory testing. It holds them accountable.

[Anonymous]

I honestly don't understand why some women are against this unless they have something to hide. If they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about. What breaks my heart the most is kids not knowing who their real father is and fathers not knowing they have a kid. That's just wrong.

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon. Yes! Bravo!

[worldscolide]

Considering that up to 20% or more fathers are unknowingly raising children that aren't theirs I would say definitely mandatory. Or at the very least the mother should not be permitted to stop it. In France a man can go to prison for getting a DNA test without the consent of the mother.

[meetkitty123]

Such matters need not involve the government fir our iwn protection
However of course a man should be allowed to test it on his own. I quite personally want to give a shit if the man went behind my back and tested my child hella being a waste of a hundred and something dollars but hey he chose to waste it will come back with the correct results 99.99% the father whatever if thats what he needs thats what he needs. Now it would only be laughable if my son's father attempted such a thing since my son is a replica minus the gray eyes and he has my lips but that's about it everything else looks as if he was cloned from his father
But I wouldbt be opposed if his father wanted to do something like that then he can go ahead and do it

[worldscolide]

Lol I get that. It's just sad that a staggering percentage of men are living a lie.

[meetkitty123]

Yes very true but there might be a few who may not want the truth...
I've heard of men refusing a dna test not wanting the truth because they'll love the child.
But either way I don't believe law should interfere.
And any man who feels he must have one should be granted one.

[KrakenAttackin]

@meetkitty123 "Such matters need not involve the government for our own protection"... Seriously? The government gets "involved" by forcing the man to pay child support. If a man has a child with a woman (never not married, never having lived together) he is forever subject to domestic violence laws, putting him at her mercy.

Also, if you want to crush a man to his very lowest point, tell him a child is his, let him bond with the child, than let him find out the child is not his. This is the single worst thing, beyond cheating, beyond violence, beyond generally cruel treatment; that a woman can do to a man. We have all kinds of protections for women but ZERO for men, why is that?

[KrakenAttackin]

@meetkitty123 If a man wants to be cucked, that's his choice. There are bigger issues. If the man's insurance has to pay for all the child's expenses, the man should have to adopt the child. Also, someday the child might want to know who his/her real father is.

[Anonymous]

Sure.

Just gives women the right without any hassle of calling the police because the loser won't get lost, suing him for damages, etc., to throw a cheating boyfriend, fiance or husband out on their ass when the cheap hoe they were screwing says she's pregnant & guess what buddy boy you're the father.

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon... absolutely, let's have full accountability.

[SiberFox]

This one is for the women who are against it:
What if the nurse made a mistake and switched babies? Would you not want the assurance that its yours? Testing for paternity will solve both issues.
Women don't tend to see the issue men have with fear of the child not being their own since the child comes out of the mother so maternity is always assured.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Do you know in Europe what the odds are on average that the child is not yours? Close to 4%.
So why the worry?

[crossdressingrihno]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
What about those of us in the states?
Also what about the 4%? Aren't their livelihoods worth consideration? Besides for the most part it only hurts the guilty parties

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno I don't know the number in the US.
But sure those are worth considering, so make tests available to any that asks for them. Make it mandatory sounds like an imposition from the government and not letting people chose.

[KrakenAttackin]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 The cuck is back.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Hey! Didn't saw you in a while. So you are for forcing people to take a medical test?

[KrakenAttackin]

@SiberFox. Women see it, they just don't care.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Let me put here something I posted in another comment...
"there a study made on the odds a man has of rasing a child that is not his own.
You might think this study could not be reliable or bias. Well in this case this is done in literally every country in the European Union. Do you know what the average was? 3. something % don't remember exactly it was close to 4%.
Why am I going to worry for 4%?"

[crossdressingrihno]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

A paternity test could help those 4% of people know their wife cheated on them an that their raising someone else’s child. This could save a innocent man from an unnecessary child support battle. This could also help a child find their genetic father so they can grow up knowing who their dad is.

What does it cost a wife who didn’t cheat? Just a light swabbing in the mouth with a tiny little piece of cotton on a stick. What an absolutely horrendous thing!

[crossdressingrihno]

Correction to my previous statement. The mother isn’t the one whom needs the swabbing. It’s the father. I had a bit of confusion between multiple thoughts.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno it's not that the test itself is a horrible thing to do. It's about people having agency with their own body.
Let's say it's mandatory. I can promise many MANY women who didn't cheat, will refuse to do it. Why? For the obvious reason that is an insult to their integrity (again, regardless if they cheated or not it is) and, most importantly, a violation of their body autonomy.

[KrakenAttackin]

Test

[crossdressingrihno]

The man and the baby are the ones who get swabbed. Babies get plenty of shots that I’m sure they don’t like so I’m sure a cotton swab isn’t too bad and people rarely give a rats ass to what the man wants anyways. As for the woman’s dignity? Doubt it’s any worse than a check up and besides it’s like anyone is specifically questioning them as though they specifically cheated.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno The issue is it being mandatory. And vaccines don't just help you, also help the ones around you. That is why non vaccinated children are a danger to others and some schools don't even allow them. It's a completely different issue.

Let's say you didn't raped anyone. But you are accused of it by a young boy. And you are forced to take a test to see if your semen matches the one found on the kid. You didn't do anything, but you got accuse of it. The test will be simple, doesn't matter. It will be an unpleasant experience, regardless of you are lying or not. The issue is again not the test. It's the situation and what it implies.

[KrakenAttackin]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 In the US, especially among certain ethnicities, the paternity fraud runs as high as 30%.

The newborn undergoes a battery if tests at birth, a cheek swab is hardly intrusive.

[crossdressingrihno]

Too bad people care more about a mandatory swabbing of the cheek than they do the lives and freedoms of that 30%

[KrakenAttackin]

@crossdressingrihno Agreed. There is no defense, at all, against mandatory paternity testing.

[crossdressingrihno]

No GOOD reason.
Yeah some people may see it as the government invading their privacy and personal affairs. That said the government does that already.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

What ethnicities would those be?
Are they going to be the ones that are mostly socially excluded? Live in poverty and social neighborhoods separated from the rest of the community?
Those ones?

[crossdressingrihno]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
And if it is?
That would just support our point more. Why would we want a impoverished man to to be forced to fund a child that isn’t even his? Seems pretty messed up doesn’t it?
He’s already got struggles so I don’t think he needs more.

[crossdressingrihno]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Here’s some things I know about you.

#1 you don’t care about the men and their problems and we can tell because your pushing back on a problem that plagues the men of our country and comes back to haunt us and destroy families.

You don’t care about the children since you don’t even want them to know who their own father is.

You don’t care about misfortunate communities since you don’t even care about the financial struggles of the men in those communities. Yet pretend to care in order to make some almost completely invalid arguments.

[KrakenAttackin]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 what does being "socially excluded, living in poverty?" Have to do with morality and the decision to commit a horrible deception?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno you are confusing things.
Listen carefully. Me saying "people should not be forced to undergo a paternity test" is not me saying "a man should be forced to raise a child that is not his". Different, very different, statements.
If any man wants to have a paternity test I agree, 100%, that he should be allowed to. Have that into law. That any man if he so wishes, should have the right to test that.
But to force it into people, 100% of the time, regardless of their wishes, that I am against.
See the difference now?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno make no mistake I do care, but the solutions that I see are different than the solutions that you see.
One of the first things I did here was talking to an angry incel who was crying all over the place about black and Arab guys taking all the girls. I did tried to befriend him and talk to him about it. Trying to get him to see where he was wrong. Got him to get a job. Ice cream vendor but it's something.

I have nothing against children knowing who their father is, like I explained above.

If you care about men's health start with their mental health and the conditions of those communities.
For example, in this site I see many people either trashing single mothers or deadbeat father's. Do you know where most of them are? It's also where most criminality is. It's also where people have less access to education, healthcare and cultura.
It's proven, across the board, in any county, regardless of race, that isolating a community filled with people from a poor background and put them all in a stray neighborhood originates drugs, violence and all sorts of social problems.
Do you want to actually help? Start by talking about providing proper social aid and much better urban planning. That is what will have the most impact in the communities that you claim to help. Not a forced paternity test

[crossdressingrihno]

But not everyone who is being cheated on knows/is aware of it. With that in mind it not being mandatory is functionally the same thing as saying they should be forced to have a kid that isn’t theirs.
That kind of logic only works in the assumption that the person being cheated on is aware of or is suspicious of their wife cheating.
It’s better they find out about the cheating when the child is born than 6 years later.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@KrakenAttackin because people "socially excluded, living in poverty" are where this happens the most. Still rate as it is. Along with several other problems like I just said.

[crossdressingrihno]

I already advocate for the poor neighborhoods. I live in one I see the shit every day. Do you think I don’t know? The only reason I don’t bring it up is because we’re not talking about that.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno not at all. You have that option. You know that you have that option. So chose. You don't have to think that you being cheated on to ask for one. It's your call.
You talked about a men being forced to provide to a child that is not his. Well of he doesn't want to stay with the mother or the child, he can chose to do it.
If he does want it, he can chose to do it also.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno you mentioned "unfortunate communities". And the issue we are talk about is more prevalent in them. So we are talking about them.

[crossdressingrihno]

I went to the worst high school in my city, and one of the worst middle schools in my city.
I live in one of the worst neighborhoods in my city and when I was in middle school, one of my friends brothers got shot to death near where I lived.
If I wanna look at a bunch of people who are broke with no hope and almost nothing going for them, I need only open my front door and look out.

My city is also filled with crazy people because the largest mental asylum in the state is here and they keep letting people out every day people who were not fixed.

People die where I live and it ain’t uncommon.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@crossdressingrihno I am sorry to hear that. I really think that society would massively benefit in putting serious efforts in improving the situation of places like the one where you live.

[hahahmm]

Uh, I see where you're going but I disagree. The reason people want paternity testing is so they can work with the system by the system's current rules that say the dad needs to pay child support. So the dad is wondering, 'is this really my kid or not'. But if we go back to traditional ways it doesn't matter cause then it's 100% okay for a parent to disown a kid or reject a kid. There's no obligation to support a kid regardless of the circumstances and I support going back to the old ways in many areas.

[KrisPW]

I'd be okay with it, but I'd rather it be legally tied to child support or something. The test is not invasive, so why not? I don't think most couples would need it that information, but if it was a legal matter, and just one of the many myriad of tests that happen with childbirth, I don't think I'd even notice.

[Adam1978]

Mandatory in all countries where there is a legal responsibility from the father. Otherwise the legal responsibility should be forfeited. Ie a woman should have the bad choice to go out and get a kid without involving the father. No need for a sperm bank.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Yep, I do..
That way, once it's proven he's the father, he'll do the right thing and step up and take 50% responsibility for something he's 50% responsible for creating whether he's with the "mom" or not.. And will take away the "how do I know it's mine" off the table...

[Chthou95]

I have a question. Are you pro life or pro choice?

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Chthou95 not really one or the other more "pro stop using abortion as birth control" more "pro men condom that shit and women birth control that shit"... Real stupid for men and women to act like they're trapped into something they could have taken steps to prevent on the first damn place...

[Chthou95]

Usually we don't agree on much but ill agree on this

[crossdressingrihno]

They call it pro-life and pro-choice but quite frankly both those labels are misleading.
If you decide to legalize abortion either way someone's losing out on a choice if both parents need to agree to an abortion then as long as one partner disagrees the other person's choices invalid. If only one of the parents is needed to have an abortion then you're just completely skipping out on the other parent entirely which is also a lack of choice.

On the same end there are risks for being "pro-life" such as the mother dying or the child not making it anyways because of other complications.

Calling yourself pro-life pro-choice is misleading to say the least. Plus there are people out there who like to go playing with semantics. Such as there was an argument on whether or not you can be pro-life but also believe in the death penalty because being pro-life means your pro all life they say even though that isn't necessarily the spirit of the pro-life movements and the name is just misleading.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Chthou95 thanks.. Wish more people would smarten up, and be more responsible

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@crossdressingrihno why said I'm neither🤷🏼‍♀️

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@crossdressingrihno oh and I'm for the death penalty when warranted.. If you take someone's life maliciously, then the cost should be your life. Instead of supposedly rehabilitating them and letting them out to kill again

[TonyMetal___86]

@Brainsbeforebeauty and every spongy forehead should be 100% bitten 😬😬

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@TonyMetal___86 you have a SpongeBob fetish🤔🤣🤣

[TonyMetal___86]

Nope cause spongebob have 2 rabbit teeth but i like girls who have rabbit teeth 🤣🤣

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I'll answer this question first and say yes it should be mandatory.

@hlopinionated_ For blocking me, I will just say it here. It seems to me you don't know what "ignore" means either. I mean im not the one who is trying to run away. You are. So why am I the one who should stop? LOL. And yes resort to that cliche "block because i don't know how to ignore" tactic. by the way that's a self solving problem for me. Because I love it with morons block me so I don't have to deal with them.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@KrakenAttackin I've actually accomplished something like letting that moron block me. And I don't mind because in the end, I eat pigs anyways.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Aiko_E_Lara. She will fight to the end for her "right" to abuse men and whore around.

[meetkitty123]

Honestly I don't think there's a reason to.
That's just ridiculous I'm sorry do you really want to give the government that much power to the fact that now they're going to have everyone's DNA? Shoot no need for fingerprints that would be a law that would just open up a Pandora's box the government having every single person DNA ever born or whoever has had children not a good idea. It just seems wrong imagine the things they could do or attempt to do the odd experimentations... No thank you.
it's kind of ridiculous besides nowadays it's very simple just to go to Walgreens grab the swab swab the child's mouth swab you're own with no one ever even finding out you send it secretly to a lab (hope that they're an honest company when you select the box that says no they cannot sell your information) and you get the results in a few weeks at the privacy of you own home.

[KrakenAttackin]

@meetkitty123 Legislation could handle this by restricting dissemination of the data, and numbers could be assigned rather than names.

Don't you agree that mandatory paternity tests would be a good deterrent against people being unfaithful and trying to pass the child off as someone else's?

[meetkitty123]

I honestly don't know
We're living in such a modern age time that honestly a woman can't hide it anyways I don't see the reason for a law However I'm not in agreeance with what the other user said about France and it being illegal for a man to seek a paternity test without the woman's knowledge I cannot see how that would be going against anyones rights. The way I see it woman shouldn't care if the guy wants a paternity test if she's got nothing to worry about
Besides its
Honestly very easy to get a paternity test I didn't have any issue when there was a man insisting he was the father to my child and I was insisting that he was not
I went to Walgreens bought the kit and then paid for the laboratory price separate
Now getting the guy to take the paternity test was a bitch he was quite arrogant
But honestly the good thing about the Walgreens test you don't need both parents so a man can do the test on his own he doesn't need the woman's DNA
Now explaining it to the child without letting the child know what I was doing was a little harder so I bought the family a whole bunch of 23andMe
The child simply assumed it had something to do with the 23and me
And the results was exactly how I said it was going to be the man claiming that my child was his was not the father

[KrakenAttackin]

@meetkitty123 But women can and do hide paternity fraud. Here is what I posted above:

There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.

One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.

[msc545]

@meetkitty123 When you go to court with a broken chain of custody of that material THAT is going to be a problem.

[Anonymous]

Mandatory implies you'd be forced to take it whether you wanted or needed paternity information or not, so no. There are a lot of guys and women who are well aware of who they are sleeping with so mandating this, I'm sure at cost, would be a waste of time and money.

Legally speaking, at least in my state (I had to look this one up), a mother or father can request a paternity test be done in court. Over the counter paternity tests are not admissible. The tests must be performed by a lab as mandated by the court and one must have consent to do so, meaning you can't just swab the child or the father against their will and submit that as evidence. If the father refuses or is unavailable, a court can still run a DNA test with closest match relatives to determine paternity.

[Anonymous]

There is literally no valid reason not to support mandatory routine paternity testing. It's extremely inexpensive and very accurate now. There would be no hard feelings between the mother and father because it's mandatory, not at the request of the father (unless the mother is lying or truly doesn't know who the father is). Privacy is not an issue if the results are kept confidential, which should be perfectly acceptable.

Fathers absolutely deserve to know whether they are truly the father of the child, and children deserve to know who their real father is. Anyone against this is either an idiot or a woman who wants to retain the ability to lie and defraud men into providing for a child who isn't theirs or denying the father the right to know he has a son or daughter.

[Exterminatore]

Nah. We should just believe women like the leftists say.


After all, EVERY woman is a paragon of virtue and far be it from ANY woman to ever slut it up and get knocked up and then trick some guy into raising that baby.


Believe women!

[Tornado92]

Only racist white bitch
Black woman never cheat!
So ur kids have typical white people names Connor or Keegan?

[Exterminatore]

First of all, all white people who are males with faggoty names like Keegan and Connor and Cooper, and Aiden should be forced at gun point to change their names and their parents should be burned at the stake for trying to feminize their kids with androgynous and yet faggoty sounding names. They better make them kids play football not soccer after giving them such gay names. Gotta toughen those little MF’s up.

So no black woman would ever try to trick you into being baby daddy?

[Tornado92]

Once BRO
For real all white woman cheat.
Black woman have class bro!!!

[Tornado92]

U white people use Keegan or Connor.
I'm surprised bro 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[bademoxy]

paternity fraud is never prosecuted , while divorce courts favor women -a total rigged system against men, this in addition to today's corporations which discriminate against men (especially straight white men) in every way possible.
any wonder so many such men have abandoned the nation state in its demographic death spiral, orchestrated through 6 decades of Frankfurt School Marxism.

[TenderFantasy]

No.

I guess if you don't TRUST the person you've become very close to (yes, sex definitely counts as a very intimate act. Physically.), then what are you doing with the person? ? !
It's pretty insulting how the person you supposedly love asks you for a paternity test. Particularily if you've just given birth!

But hey, I think it would depend. Was this just some ho you picked up? Or is it someone you are married to, or in a serious, (hopefully TRUSTING) relationship with? ? ! These things always depend!

[crossdressingrihno]

Many guys have trust a woman 100% and were lined to through their whole marriage and only found out because the wife got exposed by somebody else.

Fact is it's stupid for anybody to trust someone else 100%. If have a wife I wouldn't expect her trust me 100% sur I wouldn't get in a relationship with someone who is paranoid but theirs a difference between being reserved/a little skeptical and being paranoid

[TenderFantasy]

@crossdressingrihno

I guess it's a different world now. My parents (who have been married, going on 46 years this Dec), are pretty much extinct in the relationship realm lol. I think, for them to have been together for THAT long, meant that they have HAD to trust each other 100% and why not? ? ! The minute you create distrust with someone you will CRACK the relationship apart!

People just disagree with me because they like to be mean and or they are jealous! I mean why in the WORLD would you not trust your partner, especially something as serious as this? ! This is like the very FOUNDATION of a good, lasting relationship! TRUST! It's sad if you go into a relationship thinking the worst all the time or at least a lot of the time. You're already putting cracks in it where they shouldn't be really. Especially something as serious as this. What kind of women have you been dating if you cannot even rely on her for important facts like this? ! Think about it.

[crossdressingrihno]

I don't think I'm being too mean and if I'm being honest I'm not jealous either

[crossdressingrihno]

We live in a world where women are almost automatically believed when they say they've been raped or whoever the father is or whatever just automatically and based off of that alone court cases are frequently decided. How can one have trust in a world that hates them or in a world that is going to put them on the back burner? A lot of people like to talk about women's rights but men's rights are equally just f*****

[TenderFantasy]

@crossdressingrihno Fine you know what? I'd actually agree to it JUST to prove I didn't sleep around nor was I lying to my partner! Though I think from then on, the relationship would be on rocky ground.

I really feel like you're branding every woman as "guilty until proven innocent", which I get what you're saying, but still... I hope if you're ever in a relationship, you don't hurt her with your suspicions and you pick a good one.

-SV

[KrakenAttackin]

@TenderFantasy. Too many women cheat too often. And women are really good cheaters. Testing should be mandatory so the man doesn't have to ask for the test, creating drama. If Momma has been getting strange seed launched up her cock holster, at least this might give her aoments pause. Please don't play naive.

[TenderFantasy]

See there you guys are lumping women into a the bad category again.

Don't paint me with the same blanket just because you were burned or you're paranoid with people! Give them a real chance! Also, why would I cheat if I had a good one at home? ! Makes no sense. You're probably just a red pill individual that likes to be cruel to women just because of what you've heard and or experienced therefore lumping EVERYONE no exceptions! Thats just like being racist. You categorize EVERY black person as a hoodlum just because it is what you have experienced growing up in the hood or you've heard RUMORS about them being that way. Would it hurt you to be kinder and less hostile? Not everyone is the same when it comes to behavior!

[crossdressingrihno]

We aren't talking about black people right now we're talking about women.

And no I don't hate women I doubt he does either. Frankly I've only ever been cheated on once and that doesn't bother me either but other men have been cheated on and unfairly might I add. I have seen men fall in love only to be stuck with a kid that isn't theirs just for them to find out years later a kid that they did not want and a kid that was not theirs

[crossdressingrihno]

We're not saying every woman is a cheating lying son of a b**** we're just saying it does happen and it's a lot better to just have it be mandatory so no one has to appear suspicious.

[crossdressingrihno]

Personally I probably wouldn't ask for a test but this isn't just about me you know

[HighValue]

Millions of men TRUSTED their wives and the wives still had kids from other men and divorced stealing his house, car, kids, money, etc. So if it comes down to trust, NO MEN should trust any women.

Seriously MILLIONS of women have behaved that way. It is the RULE, not the exception that women behave that way.

Only dishonest cheaters wouldn't want paternity tests.

[Reaper1985]

should either be automatic or at least the staff should be required to ask the possible father if he wants one done to be sure. before any paper work gets signed and submitted to the government.

because a buddy of mine got put on the hook for a child that wasn't his. when the mother forged his information and signature. had to get a court order and testing done to prove he wasn't the father.

[Xoxocutekitty]

Yes, for many men the feeling of 'fatherhood' only occurs post birth. I would be curious how many might realize responsibility and accountability once they themselves have also medically tested 'positive'.

[HighValue]

Yes, and the women that knowingly had a man support a kid that was from somebody else and it can be proven, she should go to prison for fraud and sued for emotional damages to both the man, the child, and the child's biological father.

Men need to start getting more involved in the legal process and stop letting women get away with that kind of abuse. Take them to court and if the judge doesn't like it you can sue the county court for discrimination based on gender.

[HighValue]

https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/

[NovaCourier]

I'd say yes and I think it would benefit both sexes.

Women who cheat and get pregnant with another man's child get exposed and men who unwittingly get women pregnant can't simply say it isn't their baby and run away.

[Dargil]

For something to be mandatory, it must be mandated by government. When you let them into your personal life, that will always take your liberty away. Think about masks and vaccines. The government response to COVID has severely weakened our country.
If you want your girlfriend tested, tell her.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. For one it isn't the government business to be involved in intimate matters of other people's relationship.

And secondly, some men probably won't desire to know the truth.

If a man desire to know if the baby is 100% his then he can go pay is own diagnostic blood test.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Don't you think mandatory paternity tests would act as a deterrent for women who want to try to pass a child off as one man's when it's actually anothers? This might also help keep more married women in line.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

That's their problem, not mines nor anyone's else's. A man that desires to know if a child is biologically his, he can go get a test. That simple.

[KrakenAttackin]

There are really THREE victims to paternity fraud: 1) the man who is paying for, bonding with, raising a child who is not his. 2) The REAL father who doesn't know he has a child and isn't given the opportunity to be the child's father. 3) THE CHILD who never knows his/her ACTUAL FATHER.

One crime by a selfish and deceptive woman, three victims.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

That's not my damn problem. A man has sex with a woman is his problem and responsibility to figure out if the kid is his or not.

[Avicenna]

Yeah, but there is a limited amount of time to contest paternity fraud and it's difficult to do. A lot of court cases and administrative work could be avoided with mandatory paternity testing at birth, and a lot of men who are unfairly forced to pay child support (in some cases because a mother collecting welfare was compelled to name the father of the child, but not prove it), and are put at risk of financial ruin and even jail when they have to pay up and/or fight it.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Avicenna: Fine and danddy. The father can request a blood work for the child if he has suspicions.

Forcing people especially regarding an intimate matters shouldn't be a thing that happens.

Some men are perfectly fine not wanting to know if the child is theirs or not and it's their business and choice.

You can't force people into medical decisions. It's not of your business especially when it comes to personal intimate relationships.

You will be giving the government far too much power to now get involved in your bedroom.

[msc545]

The child who doesn't know who his real father deserves a hell of a lot more protection than some greedy woman.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@msc545: Again regarding intimate matters between a man and a woman isn't for the government to stick their noses in unless the man or woman desires for them to come into their personal relationship matters.

Some men seriously just rather not find out if they are the real father of that child because the humiliation is too much to handle. You can't force them.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy. So you don't think men deserve this most basic protection? I don't want the government in my life either, but the fact is, the government is in every aspect of our lives. The woman gets to pick who the father is, "believe all women" bullshit. Men deserve some basic protection.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The man is in his full right to ask for a paternity test if he has suspicion that the kid isn't his.

You are talking about the government forcing romantic couples to get a paternity test and to me that isn't right nor the government business.

[msc545]

Sometimes excluding the government from a situation is not the most important priority even though your politics may say it is.

[Subarugirl]

That’s a great question… here is a poll on what the people of gag think

Should paternity tests be mandated at birth?

[Subarugirl]

... uh more men than women said no dude lol

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure that they should be mandatory.

What I think is fucked up is that in many places the man has to ask permission from the mother, and of course in order to avoid any huge arguments or break-ups many men will just not ask. And then even if they do, and she says no, they can’t do the test.

[Anonymous]

It was only if they demand some kind of support.
However given government and culture led by those who dominate the social sciences have largely lost the concept of marriage.

Then in the interest of protecting a man's parental rights yes he should be able to demand such a test.

[annabananna]

I see no harm in it being mandatory esp if required to pay child support. It would prevent women from lying to the man about being the father when he is not.

[Pinay_ako]

Yes, children need or have the right to know which sperm gave life to them. I’d wanna know who is my father idc if he wants me in his life or not.

[Avicenna]

It's actually a good idea. If everyone does them, it would lessen the drama surrounding them.

[Avicenna]

There's another reason why it's a good idea- to keep the mother from leaving the father's name off of the child (ren)'s birth certificate (s). And, yes, that does happen in some cases.

[Twalli]

If you want one, it should be provided, but it shouldn't be required. I remember a story of a woman who was having twins. There was a 98% chance they didn't come from the same man. Her husband didn't want to know which one was his biologically so he never wanted a paternity test, because he wanted to see them both as his.

[StevieNix]

Yes, absolutely. It makes me wonder why all of these people on this thread are afraid of that. hmmm

Why does the truth scare them? Are they hiding something? lol

[HighValue]

Anyone against them seems like an admitted cheater in my opinion. Seriously they used to have mandatory medical tests so each person knows what they are getting before marriage. Paternity tests should be the same so each person knows what they are getting. It wouldn't harm any innocent person, it would only reveal the disloyal immoral people.

[StevieNix]

@HighValue

I know a guy and he met a gal, and eventually they hit the sack. He did what he was supposed to do, and he put on a condom. She was furious with him. She thought he was implying something bad about her. So sometimes in life you just can't win. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

The ideal situation for the paternity test, is for it to just be a law. That way the husband and wife are the "good cops" and the law is the bad cop.

I was listening to a radio show, and they were saying that hospitals had to report gun shot wounds, by law.
Then the guest on the show said something funny. He said: "Of course Chicago is exempt, because no one cares." lol

[LazerBean]

I don't think hospitals need another excuse to throw in extra charges on medical bills.

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean Walmart tests are $14.99.

[LazerBean]

Yeah and it costs them 50 cents to rewash a set of hospital bedsheets, and a nurse gets paid $30 an hour. Doesn't stop them from charging me 2k to have a nurse look at me for 2 minutes in an ER.

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean Paternity fraud is a very serious issue for men. How much would you be willing to pay to ensure every man is parenting a child he actually fathered?

[LazerBean]

Then the men can just ask for a test. Asking is free. I'm not willing to pay anything for someone else, and I'm not willing to have to pay extra when I don't want to because other people are trashy.

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean How do you think the average woman would react (especially a woman who has something to hide) if the man asks for a paternity test? You and I both know how that would go down.

[LazerBean]

So? That's their problem. Has nothing to do with me and everyone else shouldn't have to pay for it.

[LazerBean]

Also if Walmart has them then men can literally just do it themselves. So yeah that update is counterintuitive to your argument.

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean Men can, but I think there is a larger issue facing society that needs to be addressed.

[LazerBean]

Then men who are worried about that sort of stuff should inform the women they involve themselves with from the start that they will require a test for every child they supposedly have together, and leave everyone else out of it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean. Why should men have to constantly protect themselves from fraudulent behavior by women? Why can't we simply remove all doubt about paternity and move on?

[LazerBean]

You're asking why men should have to verbalize their important expectations out of a relationship? That just called being a not stupid adult. And the answer is because not stupid people shouldn't have to pay more because of stupid people.

[KrakenAttackin]

@LazerBean Women would respond to a paternity test about as well as they respond to a prenup. You know this.

[LazerBean]

So you only convey your relationship expectations when you think they will be accepted?

[shaysh87]

Because most men do not have an agenda against women like you. They trust their wives and gfs , unlike you who have a secret hate agenda against all women.

[HighValue]

So honesty and truth = hate?

[shaysh87]

@HighValue

its because of the fact that you hate all women , which is why you dont trust them to have your kid. Most men dont need paternity tests because they trust women. Most men dont go talking shit about women in GAG either.

[KrakenAttackin]

@shaysh87. Paternity fraud is epidemic.

[shaysh87]

@KrakenAttackin

its not an epidemic.

only guys who can't get a woman nor someone to have his kids would say its an epidemic.

[nitsuj86]

Don't understand why they aren't already. Well, I do.

Probably because of the amount it would cost the Gov if all these dads suddenly found out the kids ain't theirs and stopped paying. Uncle Sam foots the bill.

[Fuentes]

Yew why the hell would any man wanna pay for 18 years of a kid that ain't yours and have a whore of a wife or girlfriend that deceived you. To take care of the kid cause you seem like the stable and decent option.

[Tornado92]

Bro bunch of racist white bitch especially 😂😂😂😂

[Fuentes]

@Tornado92 lol these chick's will forever be cat ladies

[Tornado92]

For real Bro 😆😆😆😆

[Chazmatazz269]

Yes, they should ABSOLUTELY be mandatory.
Per the update, those men either don’t know how the system is literally rigged against them, or they’re too stoopid to care.

[lofii]

Yeah. Cause they're are whores in life that will sleep around

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yWwuqPxfEuc

[normalice]

I suppose if a guy denies he is the father it should be mandatory that he take a paternity test so he can start on those child support payments, yeah.

[KrakenAttackin]

@normalice. And what about women who cheat and lie to make another man pay for the child?

[normalice]

If you are asking the government to force you to take a test so you don't have to admit you don't trust your partner I suppose that can be included, sure. As long as anyone a woman accuses of fathering a child is also forced to take a test. Its only fair.

Of course, personally I'd prefer neither, and just give both men and women bodily autonomy. The state isn't supposed to be able to claim ownership over anyone's body parts. Or at least not in a civilized country. Any place where some beaurocrat can say "No, those are my parts, let me see them" is animalistic and not a place for those who want peace.

[KrakenAttackin]

@normalice. Unfortunately government mandates are already a fact of life. Whoever the mother identifies as the father will be required to pay child support for 18 years under threat of imprisonment. Why not have a verification that the right man is being sent to jail?

[normalice]

This is false as the guy can just claim he didn't sleep with her and refuse to give evidence. At present there is no way to collect a DNA sample from him without his consent (4th amendment violation).

[normalice]

"I can have it but you can't and you can't say that you can have it but I can't or you're a hypocrite"

-every hypocrite ever..

[KrakenAttackin]

@normalice. Not true. Whoever the mother identifies as the "father" will automatically be made to pay child support. Simply on her say so, the man is committed to paying for the child. The burden of proof always falls on the man. Still more, even with a negative DNA test the man is still on the hook for child support until a court accepts the DNA tests (which can take months or more), and finally orders his name removed from the birth certificate. Does the man get the money he paid back? Nope, not a dime. Does the mother get any punishment or sanction? Nope, not at all.

[normalice]

Sorry, i understand that bullshit is effective fertilizer for the incel farms but in real life men can simply deny having had sex with her or claim that she slept with other men. That's enough reasonable doubt for any court if law I've ever heard if.

[KrakenAttackin]

@normalice. What you are saying simply isn't true. The mother points a finger and the guy pays. It's that simple.

[normalice]

Simply said, sure, but that's just not how it works outside the right wing LARP media environment

[AviatorTom]

No, why make them mandatory? In most cases, there is no doubt who the father is. Make them optional, and let the mother, should-be father and claimed father have the legal right to require one when there's a question.

[AviatorTom]

Interesting results. 75% of guys would like paternity tests to be mandatory while only about 50% of girls want mandatory paternity tests. Guys seem to want them to determine who the father is not (preventing paternity fraud) while girls seems to want them to determine who the father is (making sure the father takes responsibility). Very interesting.

[EarthRealm]

Nah But we need it for Chickens 🐓
They Cheat on there boyfriend and Say it’s his kid only to get him on child support.
A new Trend should exist
That thing is not my Kid until you and me take a Test.

[EarthRealm]

That’s the social media Trend they should Create

[Anonymous]

I think it’s fair, matter of fact…it should be included in your hospital birthing services. Every man should be offered one and he decided if he wants it or not.

[Mia-Wallace]

No idea.

I won't object if my husband wants it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Mia-Wallace. Lies. You would lose your mind if your husband asked for a paternity test.

[Mia-Wallace]

Nah.

[CallMeLes]

That said they should be mandatory if there is cause to have doubts. Reasonable cause. Not just jealous hate.

[Apple1996]

Nah only if they want too. Like my oldest son is a exact copy of my husband so would have been super ridiculous to do testing on him.

[USLegionary]

Absolutely. Every child born should know who it's father is.

[IsoUser]

When the girl requests child support they should be mandatory.

[Guy13]

NO ONE is getting my blood and urine unless I volunteer it…

[Fuentes]

I'm pretty sure people already have it, how else did they mark your blood type at birth and as a child to get into school your parents took you in for some immunization and you pee'd lol they been had it

[lovedejj_xo]

I’d get one but I’d be hurt with the trust sometimes it’s not about hiding things it’s like damn …you don’t trust me😐

[KrakenAttackin]

@lovedejj_xo. Which is why it should be mandatory so he doesn't have to "ask" for the test.

[lovedejj_xo]

Oh yea true then I’d be fine

[Lookingforthetruth]

Yes but they never will. As all those men raising kids they thought were their own biologically would drop them real quick. And big daddy government is not willing to help support all these kids.

[TexasRed95]

I don't think they should be mandatory. But if you are willing to pay for it then I think they shouldn't be allowed to reject it. Otherwise they can't make claims.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Yea and if infidelity is found the state should be given custody of the child and the mother should be imprisoned or put into a female hysteria clinic until she can’t have children anymore.

[driven159]

They are mandatory in child support cases you cum in her without protection then pay the price with roe vs wade hope that might slow that down, but stupid people will still be stupid

[Seinna]

No. I'm not interested in some private (or public) company having access to my child's DNA. I'd rather just walk away with the child if the father doesn't trust me. I'm in general against anything that's mandatory, I like freedom.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Seinna. That is a straw man. The DNA data can easily be sanitized/protected by legislation.

[Seinna]

Sure. Once they got it, you have zero control over it. Please tell me, how would you enforce it? How would you verify that this information is secure? It's actually very valuable stuff for some people with not so good intentions. That's why it was so retarded of people to be sending their DNA to the hereditary kits companies. It later came out that one of those companies sold their database of 5 mil people's DNA to a pharmaceutical company. The covid tests were also designed with that purpose I believe, to collect DNA information about people. If I were stupid enough to get pregnant with a guy who doesn't understand it or who's suspicious and insecure enough that he'd demand such a test, I'd cut my loses and raise the child by myself and look for a partner with a bit more brain in his head. No woman with a shred of dignity, who's not completely broke and desperate would agree to such treatment. I wouldn't and I've never cheated on any of my partners so it's not because "I have something to hide". Also, men who are so suspicious of women shouldn't have sex with them in the first place. It's that simple - I don't trust someone, I don't have sex with them. And to use their insecurity to make it mandatory for everyone else, people who unlike them are in committed marriages just because they're too much of a coward to raise this problem directly with the mother of their child, the woman they fucked is really pathetic. It's your problem if you can't vet the person you engage with so don't make it everyone else's. If something like that was mandatory then I'd have my child abroad, no way would I ever agree to the paternity test. And no, I don't care about the father's money, I have enough of my own and he's free to go. I'd be more concerned with what traits he passed on to our child if such a stupid idea was born in his head. But again, it's not likely to ever become my problem because I decide whether I trust the person or not BEFORE I chose to have sex with them.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Seinna Spoken like a woman who wants the opportunity to defraud a man and child.

[Seinna]

You're so simple minded. If a child is unlucky enough to be related to you then no amount of money can compensate them for that. On the flip-side, they might never even know, I heard that ignorance is bliss. God help you.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Seinna. Do you realize that the two biggest ways to hurt a man are 1) Steal his child from him, and 2) defraud him into raising a child who biologically is not his.

To a man this is on par with a woman being raped by a stranger. This is a huge issue for men and you totally blow it off.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Seinna. It's his fault because he chose a whore? You are giving the white a pass? She needs to be held accountable with criminal charges.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Seinna. I am not a troll, I simply believe there are ZERO good arguments against mandatory paternity testing. Women desperate to escape accountability are the only arguments I hear.

[Anonymous]

If they were mandatory it would remove the stigma and guilt of asking for one.

This is a no brainer.

[hIopinionated_]

Why so Women’s Rights can keep declining?


“Oh let’s attempt to force women to stay pregnant assuming a baby will actually come out of my rape mentality law but let’s also force women to give their blood too”


Lol you people

[HighValue]

You mean a woman's right to cheat and commit fraud?

[hIopinionated_]

@HighValue What does fraud and cheating have to do with anything? You people are just delusional

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ok then why are you so worry about the paternity test? Why, so men's rights can keep declining?

[hIopinionated_]

Declining? 🤣. Men literally have more rights than women. You don’t deserve even more. You actually deserve less rights but that doesn’t seem to happen

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I can also say women have more rights than men. www.youtube.com/watch and the fact that you like to downplay it without proving anything, is also another proof of how much men's rights is declined.

[hIopinionated_]

Except you’ll be lying by saying women have more rights than men. Women doesn’t even have bodily autonomy rights and that’s huge. Men have that though

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you're also lying if you say men have more rights. However, i never said women have more rights. You're saying men have more rights which makes you lying. At this point, all i can do is argue at your level if you just wanna ignore the facts. Just to get your own logic backfired.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And sure just ignore all those rights mentioned in that video which are also huge

[hIopinionated_]

Except I’m not ignoring facts. You are. It’s a fact that men benefits in the way the world has been set more than women.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

THen I'm not ignoring facts. You are. I can also say the fact that women benefits in the way the world has been set more than men.

[hIopinionated_]

Lol How did women benefit from the way the world was made when sexist men are the ones who made the laws, created biased beauty standards, created all the bad things in the world including rape, normalized abused, female oppression, etc

You’re delusional

[Aiko_E_Lara]

As if men have the choice when women don't like to do the dirty work to help humanity survive. It's only now you wanna "prove" your strength because in the modern world, no lions can eat you and you don't have to kill for your own food and let those men farm for you. (Most farmers, powerplant operators, sewer workers, miners, etc. workers to keep society alive are men) but all you see are "rapists, killers, or whatever just to give you excuses to pity yourself and blame men.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh by the way, when women rapes, kills, and commits crimes, they're more likely to get away with it. That's the "Women are wonderful effect" for you en.wikipedia.org/.../Women-are-wonderful_effect that women even from the old times take advantage of which is why they mostly don't endanger themselves also because they're more valuable because they can give birth while men can't.

All you wanna take a look at is "men creating the bad things" but if we talk about what good men did to this world and to keep entitled brats like you comfortable, you'd be like "Men don't let women do it" or "Women did it too but they're not credited as much" BS but you'd never say thesame thing when it comes to the negative side of men right? Because that's something called cherry picking

[hIopinionated_]

You are ridiculous and wildly delusional. Men had to do the hard work because you made it that way. The world is set this way because of you and men like you. Women had no rights. Women were forced to stay home, cook, and have babies, couldn’t even work, definitely couldn’t put in this so called hard work you speak of. Women have been fighting for equality for decades, still is. How the hell can women do whatever hard work you’re referring to when sexist men like you makes it harder to live every single day? And sure men are farmers and all that crap (so are women) but men made rapists and killers and normalized it. A fact is a fact. There’s no excuses here. Just facts. You’re the one blinded by delusion to believe whatever pretty picture you want to paint here

[hIopinionated_]

Boo-hoo. Female killers, rapists, and criminals get away with it. Well guess what? So do men Dimwit

The bad that men had done to the world outweigh the good and you’re just full of male privilege pretending to be soooo oppressed. It’s quite pathetic. At least look at how all the systematic sexism and other bad things men created have negativety affected the world and will continue to for centuries to come

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So you basically admitted that we are just robots to work and to die because we are made that way. Way to prove me right about men's rights not having to live luxuriously like women's. But you sure don't like to admit that women with your kind of mindset is what set the world like this. the "men are made that way" mindset then complain about how men just do what women want them to do. Again what choice do we have when most women just let men do the hunting and stuff? It's thesame as men not having the rights to be a stay home dad and get looked down by society including women if he's a weakling and unwilling to provide. And this the cherry picking i talked about. I noticed how you really like to bring out women in those work place. Like how you say "so are women" but you don't wanna say "so are women" when it comes to those rapists, murderers and other criminal stuff. You cherry picking is also a fact which is also a logical fallacy FYI. www.youtube.com/watch But I also talked about the difference such as they get a away with those kind of things more. The only thing you like to look at tho is how men "rule" the world but you also just like to ignore how much men are homeless, working as a low rank just to benefit the family and men comiting suicide more often than women and men being on top the corporate ladder don't really benefit the average men in any meaningful way. With that being said, you're just cherry picking to call someone "delusional" as if that's exactly how it works.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

if all you can say is "so do men" and "so do women" then that would the case that both just do it and has nothing to do with just men normalizing it but "so do women". But yeah I see you're still looking for excuses to pity yourself and just blame men for mistakes you make.

[hIopinionated_]

Why is 99% of the population robots? Because of men. The only ones living a luxurious life with more rights than anyone regarding if the fact that we’re all playing this sick game is half the population of men. You’re the reason men and women commit suicide, that doesn’t fall on men. And pinpointing history isn’t cherry-picking, it’s just pointing out facts

[hIopinionated_]

Pointing out facts isn’t looking for excuses. You’re just uneducated, delusional or both. You can’t look past your own biases. Go back to school kid

[Aiko_E_Lara]

99% of the world are robots? since when? ever since you starting being born? Because only delusional people would believe that that scifi is already happening now. And even if the world is 99% robots, chances are they're doing it so that spoiled brats like you don't have to move to work and so that you can work by just pressing a button. And by the way, you're not the only one sharing facts here. If you like to talk about one side then I talk about the other side which you hate so much. That's because you can't handle the bitter truth and only go with the truth you like

[hIopinionated_]

Stay delusional. I really don’t care

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Here's more arguments for you tho. I'm not really surprised why most people would agree with this www.youtube.com/watch That's because most people aren't delusional like you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well you don't care how dumb you are. That's what delusional people do

[hIopinionated_]

You’re so stupid you get your news from faux news, Wikipedia, and YouTube. Stay dumb again, I don’t care

[Aiko_E_Lara]

As if you're better than youtube and wikipedia. Where's your qualification tho that i should believe a delusional moron feminist like you over a site that people can just easily reach?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah you don't care but it shows how much you care so much by coming back here to be pointless over and over again

[hIopinionated_]

Sources from a college data base Dimwit so yes, I am better than all those video talking, can be easily edited crap website you post here, even you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

More like it came from your cult which is why it's something people can barely reach and talk about. But of course we all know the truth about that gender studies class www.youtube.com/watch www.youtube.com/watch All the argument there is basically "you're out of the class if you disagree with me" when one shows the other side of the story. And if you're so much better, where's the ratings? Because I can give you the ratio of 95% liking the videos and only 5% dislikes.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ofcourse i'd know because i have that "view youtube dislikes" extension in my google chrome.

[hIopinionated_]

You republicans are the definition of being in a cult. The fact that you accuse others of being in that shows how delusional you are

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ok so the whole world is a cult but your own little group. Still doesn't sound different

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's exactly what those fanatics do. Claiming the monopoly for certain topics and say "Anyone who don't believe us are evil and are going to hell" which are also considered a little group by the way. Like your own feminist "group" who calls the world a "cult"

[hIopinionated_]

It’s simple. Either you’re sexist or you aren’t. Either you’re homophobic or you aren’t. Either you’re racist or you aren’t. Either you support womens rights or you don’t. Etc. The people who aren’t those things aren’t evil; however, if you are those things, you are evil. It’s a simple fact not a “if you don’t believe us you’re evil”. You’re evil for a reason not because you don’t believe us. How you’re going to make up reasons normal people say you are the way you are?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Funny because you don't like to consider yourself either. Of course you don't believe you're being sexist when you ignore the other truth while you just attempt to call someone sexist or not in attempt to dismiss everything. I mean you're basically calling me sexist or evil or whatever, but I don't think you're normal tho. Because normal people don't call me that.

[hIopinionated_]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling a sexist what they are, sexist

[KrakenAttackin]

@hIopinionated_. A woman's "right", to commit paternity fraud?

[hIopinionated_]

@KrakenAttackin A woman’s right to not donate her body for your causes.

And this interesting considering even braindead people have more rights than women. Somehow if they aren’t registered to donate their organs, it’s illegal to steal them even if they will save peoples lives. Yet women can’t even own our own damn uteruses. You people are true psychos and have the mentality of a rapist

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So exactly there's nothing wrong with calling you sexist then. Because you just proved the double standard I was going to talk about

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also maybe because those braindead people don't act like a karen in like you do. You also just like to forget that abortion is also legal in other places but sure you would like to give credit to women because of that and don't blame pro-life women for the cause of banning abortion in other places. Still as one-sided as ever which is why I cannot take you seriously for claiming you're being factual here.

[Po1989]

Women give their blood? Uh that's not how a paternity test works lol

[hIopinionated_]

@Po1989 Well however it works. The host, as you people view pregnant women, still have to do something against her will. Still have to provide anything for you. FOR YOU not her

[Po1989]

How it works is by taking a DNA sample from the father - or the man who is claimed to be the father. This isn't just for his benefit but also for the child. The child really should be allowed know who their father is.

[hIopinionated_]

@Aiko_E_Lara The name “Karen” with made for racists like you. And before you deny it (maybe), You’re all pretty darn predictable. If you’re a sexist, you’re most likely also every other anti human thing: homophobic, whatever phobic there is so don’t get it twisted Dimwit. I already made you look like the idiot you are. Why would I waste my time conversing with a lost cause? You’re no one

[hIopinionated_]

@Po1989 I looked it up. That’s not the entire truth, you still have to use the mother’s body somehow to know anything.

And how would the fetus know anything, it’s inside the mother and doesn’t even have any viability to it’s own life

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And of course we're going to reach to the point where you're going to bring out the race card in this as an excuse to just be butt hurt. I mean what else can you say when you can't even debunk a single thing? Because your go to argument would just be calling someone a sexist or a racist or a homophobia or whatever and call it a day. Look if you think everyone has problems then maybe the problem is you.

[Po1989]

Why are you assuming it's being tested on an unborn baby?
1. You don't need to do anything with the mothers body if you're testing a new born for paternity. She would only need to be involved if a test had to be run before the baby is born.
2. An unborn baby will become a new born baby and then they will grow up. I don't get why you're thinking the unborn baby will stay a fetus forever? Of course you could wait to test a baby after its born.

[hIopinionated_]

@Aiko_E_Lara You just keep proving how stupid you are. I didn’t play the race card, you did. “Karen” is a term FOR racists, how are you not getting that 🙄

[hIopinionated_]

@Po1989 Because obviously the point I was making to begin with was the idea that it’s a fetus not a baby.

After the child is born, it has two parents not just one so of course the father should know if he’s actually the father or not (if he wants). The issue though is that it’ll cause problems between both parents but why would I deny potential fathers from knowing it’s his baby? OP wasn’t specific which form the baby to be was in, obviously I assumed it was a fetus

[Po1989]

I believe that the baby before birth still has two parents, but I can see that you and I probably have different views on that and since it isn't really part of the OP's question I will leave that be. I don't think there's a need to do paternity tests before the baby is born in most cases.

[hIopinionated_]

^Of course it has two parents but the only one doing anything for the baby to be is the pregnant one, the mother. My views comes from the fact that women will never be respected so I disrespect back as a woman who knows how the world works

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@hIopinionated_ Then just keep proving how delusional you are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang) I mean stuff i sent you got popular for a reason.

[Moose304]

Because it happens. In fact, it happens a lot. There is NOTHING wrong with a man protecting himself from being the victim of paternity fraud.

[HighValue]

Paternity tests are specifically intended to prevent fraud and to show cheating. that is what they do. Anyone that doesn't want one just wants to hide their cheating and wants to commit fraud by deceiving the man into supporting a child that isn't his.

[hIopinionated_]

And what about the baby fraud men and the government commit against women? You think babies are free? At least some poor women are choosing to be poor by being willing to have their babies but what about women who the government are attempting to force to have babies? They will be poor and or have horrible lives because of you (or them)

Plus, I never said there shouldn't be paternity tests or whatever. Though, all it’ll do is cause relationship issues considering just because a woman wouldn’t want one doesn’t mean she cheated or anything. Seems quite offensive to me is all

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah you never said there shouldn't be a paternity test but there you are crying about it. Really though, just because you are offended just doesn't really make you right. Appealing to emotions is a logical fallacy and you should know that if you claim to be the "educated" one. You know I can also say just because we want paternity test to be mandatory, that doesn't mean we accuse women of cheating. But you just want to choose to get offended anyway just to get away with your little agenda

[hIopinionated_]

@Aiko_E_Lara How’s a dimwit going to jump into the conversation and don’t even know what he’s talking about? Tard the point of my original comment was for pregnant women slow brain NOT kids who are already born. IM not offended. Why would I be offended by idiots. I laugh at the likes of you. You’re nothing to be offended by. You look like a fool and wasting your finger work by sending useless crap I don’t even read because again, I don’t try to help lost causes. I just tell you what you are

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And are you even sure you know what you're talking about? You literally said you get offended by paternity test but take a look at you and denying it right now so it kind of prove you don't know what you're saying. And also what about kids who already born taking the paternity test? You just want to hide what a slut you are by calling it "offensive"? When there's no real explanation why you claim it is and I don't think anyone can be laughing if they're offended. I mean you just like to call people more on for telling the truth. I have said before if everyone has problems then maybe the problem is you and if everyone are morons then maybe you have your own truth in your little delusional world. I mean you just like to contradict things at the end and "laugh" to hide how butthurt you are. No one really has to prove anything anymore when you said it yourself.

[hIopinionated_]

@Aiko_E_Lara Delusional little boy stop making up stuff. At least comprehend things correctly before speaking

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You know I can still continue to argue out your level and call you a delusion a little girl and stop making things up. At least comprehend what you are even saying

[hIopinionated_]

You don’t even make sense so you’re not arguing anything of substance, just things you keep making up

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It doesn't take a genius to understand what I said. Maybe it's too much for your small brain to process

[hIopinionated_]

Again, be a pea size brain to someone else who doesn’t mind wasting their time on you. K and bye

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So it's not going to be the last goodbye? because I don't think you understand what goodbye means. Not surprising knowing how small your brain is

[hIopinionated_]

Dimwit, I ignored you for a time yet you still stalked me with your crappy comments. You obviously couldn’t take a grade school hint so I had to resort to words

[KrakenAttackin]

@Aiko_E_Lara You are arguing with a pig. You will only get dirty and the pig likes it.

[hIopinionated_]

@KrakenAttackin Didn’t I just tell your retard as to go finish getting pumped. You’re hard of hearing huh lol.

[KrakenAttackin]

@hIopinionated_. Only a whore thinks this way.

[hIopinionated_]

@KrakenAttackin Ikr whore. It was literally your idea so how does it feel? Good? I hope not

[Moose304]

It has everything to do with the subject of establishing paternity. To be fair I know just about as many males that are cheats and liars as I do females that lie and cheat. There is nothing wrong with an administrative process at birth. The mother names the childs father, then both the child and the "father" are swabbed. Then a provisional birth certificate is created. If the DNA testing confirms paternity that document becomes official. If the DNA does NOT confirm paternity then the matter goes to the family court to decide. We have the technology to make sure paternity is established, I see no good reason to not use it. ALSO, with so many diseases that are hereditary, it is of VITAL importance that paternity is clearly established.

[hIopinionated_]

Again, I answered this question (since it wasn’t clear) with assumption that the woman was still pregnant throughout this whole paternity testing thing. That’s it

[Moose304]

Oh, of course, testing should wait until the child is born.