Why do people (women) think killing babies should be okay?

[king34]

The amount of mental gymnastics it takes to get to that place is insane, especially for religious people. I have many friends that claim to be Christians that believe in baby murder,
make it make sense

I mean I feel like I know the answer but shouldn't humans have morals?

[N192K001]

As can be seen in the answers, whose who support abortion don't see the procedure as murder, due to a difference as to when human-life begins.

Even what counts as abortion differs. As cited by a female Anonymous-user, they seem to think we'd be against removing a miscarriaged-child. (How can you kill what's already dead? So long as the child is given a proper burial deserving of any other human, it's fine.)

Their concern is birthing (which is already an agonizingly painful process in & of itself, especially if vaginally, though c-section can also have consequences for consequent pregnancies) that's involuntary. What makes this debate difficult is that 2 legitimate human-lives & their fundamental human-rights are on the balance, so whose to prioritize: the new human-life with entirely separate human-D. N. A. (who could also be female) or the equally-human woman carrying the life?

With either answer, someone's rights will be prioritized & another's sidelined: Either authorize deeming separate human-life as not a legal-person endowed with human-rights by allowing the ultimate violation of said rights (inducing death) or… violate the rights of a legal-person with long-recognized human-rights in such a way they are still live and can still live their lives afterward. Either way sucks, right?

"How can the state (inevitably) violate with the most-minimal negative-impact possible?" is the question. How to process that, how to define define and calculate "negative impact" here, and what the "correct" answer will be will vary be person.

In a sense, I see it as good that the question was returned to the States (who already define in their jurisdiction what's 1st-degree murder, what's 3rd-degree murder vs negligent-homicide, what are the degrees of sexual-assault, etc.). Each society will lean in either direction, significantly or barely, based on their circumstances, cultures, priorities, values, and perspectives.

[youngmix]

I think about a few issues: for some time, the fetus is a living individual but not cognizant; I believe that humans are generally far less special than most religions lead them to believe; we have reached carrying capacity concerning several resources on global to local levels; and child rearing for unwanted children is abysmal.

My moral system does not force me to care about the development of a young fetus within my body, as it is a bunch of developing cells without many of the components necessary to develop meaningful cognizance. It is similar to a viral infection in that it is an individual that shares my DNA, is growing within my body without my control, and has no sense (thoughts) of self or the world.

A tiny lump of human meat means little to me. For me it is like a puddle of semen, or my period in the toilet. It is a potential birthed human, but so are all gametes and zygotes, and I don't feel anguish when they don't produce birthed offspring. I have zero attachments to a growing zygote, including human zygotes. After a certain point, I would definitely feel the need to keep it alive though, so after a few months, I would not want to terminate it. I believe that evidence has shown that after a few months, it begins to actually become more than a collection of non-cognizant cells.

Concerning the sanctity of human life and limited resources, I honestly believe that most people cause far more harm than good during their lives. We need less carbon footprints, less garbage, and more resources in general. We need less people. So the whole, the baby may be some super human that saves us all idea does not have any weight for me. We have billions of humans, globalization, and the internet. There are plenty of special people, and if they cannot access the resources necessary to help humanity, then creating more people will not remove those barriers.

On the topic of the child rearing of unwanted children, if someone does not want to have a child, then I think it is best to help them have an abortion, as this will keep them from raising a demon that will wreak havoc on society, increase our prison population, and require more funds for social welfare programs. This point may be a best of two evils issue. It's similar to how most people enjoy products that are made using the suffering of strangers, like super market meat or slave chocolate. My lump of meat fetus and you not wanting to pay $30 for a pound of beef, or $100 for a bag of Halloween chocolate.

[king34]

Your head is seriously fucked up and you have no morals at all or humanity, but I understand your thought process and how you get to that place mentally so thanks for explaining it in detail, but if you truly believed anything you said here then you would end your own life, cuz your just another evil person wasting recourse, or kill someone else become a serial killer to get rid of humans since none of us should be alive, the reality is you've bullshited yourself into thinking abortion is OK through this cluster fuck of pessimist bullshit you don't really believe you only believe it when it comes to your justification for child murder, those are the mentally gymnastics i was talking about, you over complicate the shit in your head so much that you somehow make 4+4= 72342, and you can dehumanize it all you want that's still a growing human child at an early stage of life, my semen will never grow legs and a head and eyes and ears and arms and start to talk and walk and call me da da, and neither will your period blood, but a fetus WILL as long as you don't murder that innocent human being, that you chose to create, fetus is just another stage like toddler, baby, teen, pre-teen, and adult. Just Stages of life that we have named, this issue is simple, it can be summed up in 4 words, "killing kids is wrong" period if you find yourself having to do trigonometry and astero physics to find an answer to s math problem that's just simple addition, it's probably because deep down you know your wrong and your tryna find your way around it

[youngmix]

I do not require advanced mathematics nor complex webs of ideas, just biology and simple linear lines of events to make my point. It would be easier to match your ideas to mine if you used one of my points, which I clearly separated for you, to express your argument.

1) "... if you truly believed anything you said here then you would end your own life, cuz your just another evil person wasting recourse, or... else become a serial killer to get rid of humans since none of us should be alive..."
I am not a criminal running rampant and terrorizing communities, nor am I poor, which is what I assume you are referencing, so suicide would not become a logical extension of my actions. Nor did I state that we should take birthed humans and murder them for resources. I am simply stating that fetus termination will help with our current and future resource capacity issues. And the issue here may lie with your idea concerning the value of a fetus, which I will address soon.

2) You have called me a "pessimist", please expound upon this point, so that I can see how this could specifically effect my logic/morals in your mind.

[youngmix]

3) "... my semen will never grow legs and a head and... neither will your period blood..."
On this issue, if your semen met the eggs I dropped during my period, then they could form a zygote. They are potentially humans, not on their own, but they hold the potential as they are gametes.
I think that you are saying that, once our gametes meet, and cell division begins, somehow those transformed gametes are automatically special, and I am saying that it is not special to me until a few months has passed. It's just a lump of meat until then, no thoughts, just growing meat, like my liver or pancreas, but less necessary.
If you want to have a child, then yes, it is a woman's possession and her body, and she has the right to keep her body whole if she wishes, and no one has the right to remove her body parts without her wishes. But, in the end, it does not change that the fetus is part of her body, despite being an individual genetically. And it does not change that for several months, the fetus is just growing meat. Nothing significant going on cognitively for a while.

4) As for stages of life, they begin with our sperm and eggs, not zygote stage. So, as I said, I see an abortion as a simple and logical form of birth control, just like the birth control pill.

[youngmix]

5) On your points that a fetus is a kid, "killing kids is wrong", and "deep down you know your wrong"...
I do not equate an early fetus with a child. I cannot view them as identical for the reasons, especially concerning cognition, that I have already stated.
And yes, I agree that this is biologically killing a genetically individual organism, but at this point, the organism is a part of my body, and it has no sign of cognizance, so I don't see how it is anatomically an individual.

As for what I feel deep down... Well, I feel what I have stated.
I am happy having unprotected sex, then having an early termination. It's the same to me as using birth control. In my mind, it literally has the same effect. No child is born. The difference is I destroyed the sperm and egg a little later.

It literally has no effect on your personal life, nor your household. If anything, we all benefit from such behavior, but I do understand that this truly bothers you. I am going to refrain from giving you my personal experience, as that would probably bother you more, but I will say that I hope that you find peace with this issue. I hope that you do not specifically choose candidates because of their stance on this, but that is up to you, and I honor your right to fight this battle.

[Cubus]

Why do you think abortion is only about religion? I am against abortion because fertilised egg already has a different DNA than its mother or father => it's already a different life. There's nothing religious about it, only science.

[king34]

@youngmix I know its been a few days im still planning to reply to what you said, you just typed a whoooooole lot, and im lazy so bare with me, until I feel like writing an essay.

just dont want you to think that I dont have a response, cuz trust me I do

[youngmix]

@Cubus "Why do you think abortion is only about religion?"
I was directly responding to the OP, who has written several statements that lead me to believe that he is religious. I also listed 3 other points in my opening statement which did not mention religion.

As for your argument concerning the sanctification of a zygote (different DNA argument), I addressed that issue first, and flushed the idea out as my conversation with the OP has continued. The lack of cognitive development, including the physical components necessary to form cognition, and the lack of general anatomical development makes a young fetus part of my body, not a separate human. Yes, it is a genetically a separate organism, but it is anatomically a growing part of another organism. It is literally one of my own cells, my egg, interacting with a foreign sperm, and growing inside of my organs. It is literally a part of me, growing inside of me.

I cannot make the link that you do, that the formation of a zygote, the creation of a cell with half of my DNA, automatically grants this cell complete human rights. Especially if this lump of cells cannot think and lacks every system necessary to live on its own.
I literally cannot see the difference between using birth control and having an early termination. One happened a little later. It is the destruction of a lump of thoughtless cells within my body.

I can imagine someone saying, "If you left it alone, then it could have grown into a thinking human, and eventually been born." I can extend that argument to gametes and birth control, if I did not use birth control, then they could have grown into birthed humans as well. The gametes are thoughtless structures with half of my DNA, the zygote is also a thoughtless structure with half of my DNA, but it also has half of someone else's. That's the only difference to me, besides cell division occurring relatively quickly, thus creating a time limit concerning termination.

[Cubus]

If you don;t see a differance between birth control and abortion than you shouldn't discuss this topic.

[youngmix]

@king34
I do not wish to rush you, and I would be happy with you responding to each my comments point-by-point. I am happy to wait until you say you are done writing responses before posting my own response.
And although I do not appreciate the cursing, nor the name calling, nor the claims concerning my general lack of morals; I appreciate that you are willing to converse with me about this. I genuinely love other people, and I love my community. I try my best to have a positive impact in my society through donations and direct interaction with people in need.

Taking your disagreement with me concerning the sanctification of a fetus, and assuming that I am an overall uncaring, uninvolved terror is a misunderstanding. I do not know you, but I can guarantee you that if I saw you, and you needed money for a bus, some food, or even shelter, I would try my best to help you get those things. I can guarantee this, because I do this almost every day.
Just because you disagree with me on this issue, does not mean that we could not commune. There is more to me than this one idea.

[youngmix]

@Cubus It would be great if you could actually try to pick the points I made during my argument, one of my premises that created that statement, and then make a counter argument. That would actually further your own argument.

[Cubus]

"The lack of cognitive development, including the physical components necessary to form cognition, and the lack of general anatomical development makes a young fetus part of my body, not a separate human."
A body part is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of its body; the unborn’s genetic code differs from his mother’s.

"I cannot make the link that you do, that the formation of a zygote, the creation of a cell with half of my DNA, automatically grants this cell complete human rights. Especially if this lump of cells cannot think and lacks every system necessary to live on its own."
Personhood is properly defined by membership in the human species, not by stage of development within that species nor intelligence.

"I literally cannot see the difference between using birth control and having an early termination. One happened a little later. It is the destruction of a lump of thoughtless cells within my body."
Nope, it's not. Birth control PREVENTS sperm and egg joining (life is not created), while abortion is killing the fertilised egg ( existing life is killed)

[Greergr]

The people against abortion usually see it as murder. Though, those same people justify murder every day with war, commonly. We see murder as a necessary thing in America regarding these difficult topics. Either we abort children or send them into a system where so many children are subjected to abusive or neglected lives. I don't see why so many people are quick to keep out immigrant children but willing to make space for a barely developed fetus. Though I don't believe abortion should be legalized if the child can be birthed or saved prematurely. Sixteen weeks or under seems appropriate in my eyes.

[king34]

The whole war thing is a completely different subject, and I don't think anyone likes war, and the immigrant stuff has nothing to do with the point either, all of that stuff is completely different than killing babies for recreation, they're not even getting a chance at life, sixteen weeks is a child that's 5 month or less from being born, and it's ok to kill them because you change your mind? That's disgusting

[Greergr]

Who said change their mind? Many women don't choose to be impregnated or even have sex. Why would a woman who wants to have a child go back on their choice? Imagine a 12-year-old girl is raped then the government forces her to go through one of the most tolling and emotional experiences a woman can go through? Also, imagine how many abortions will take place without painkillers for that Child at 26 weeks (when babies typically start feeling pain). Also, if the world truly wanted those children, the thousands in the system would have been adopted already. I would have an adopted child, and you would have. Everyone around us would.
There would be so many fewer abortions, but that's not our world. We live in a world where people make decisions for others without trying to fix the problem. Of course, nobody likes war, and nobody likes killing a fetus. Women don't get joy out of that. Like war, we see it as a necessity and do it out of rationality. Ultimately, it's either you or a fetus that doesn't even feel pain or know what's happening (of course, keeping to the 16 weeks policy). Also, to add to the whole immigration thing life, we place our country and lively hood over dying and struggling children every day; Because the people against it see it as necessary and rational. I'm tired of people acting holier and choosing for others. Some of these people would rather walk around spreading a virus that may kill a mother and her fetus if that person transmits it. God forbid a mother makes a well-thought-out choice for herself.

[king34]

I dont get why y'all always hinge your whole argument on Rape and health concerns, thats all less than 1% of abortions, so the other 99% are for recreation so are you concieding that the other 99% are indeed wrong? Otherwise why even bring that 1% up for a defense of the other 99% of recreational abortions? You keep trying to mix other political rhetoric up into this issue that really has nothing to do with the point, which is the problem with politics today everything is so conflated were talking about abortion not war not covid or immigrants kids, I could just as well make it a point that your more concerned about immigrant kids or wars than the mass genocide of innocent babies, another example I could conflate the issue by saying that most abortions are by black people, and that abortions disproportionately affect minority communities keeping our population lower, which is true but thats also off topic, what I'm saying is you keep going into theses left wing talking points about other political issues, and this is is why we can never get to the heart of an issue because someone always takes it and segways into a point about covid or immigration or race or something, I'm talking to you about why it's not moral for you to kill your own offspring, a human child, just because you feel like it, thats all, explain to me how that's moraly okay

[Greergr]

I'm not more interested in war or immigrant children. I agree that those are rational things and should be implemented along with legalizing abortion a maximum of 16 weeks after conception. I'm bringing up these topics because they are all necessary and arguably "wrong." We can't just do the morally best thing all the time if we did that, millions upon millions of people escaping communism coming into our countries. We would be using nothing that caused the planet harm. We wouldn't kill anybody at any time, no matter what. No, it's not pure morally, but keeping a child so they can place it into a harsh and possibly horrible life isn't strictly moral either. Also, you didn't say anything about the adoption topic. What do you think about that? I am honestly curious what your opinion is on that.

[king34]

Children is the one thing that we should have strong morals about, that's the one single thing on this earth that we should want to protect, and preserve the most is kids because they're innocent none of us adults are innocent, child murder is 100x worse than having imagination laws or using things that hurt the ozone. I see no valid comparison between someone fighting in a war to protect their country and killing other adulsts that are also trying to kill us, verses killing innocent babies for fun like those 2 things are nothing alike not even close and war is inevitable, abortion doesn't need to happen, its not a necessity, your comparing apples to oranges, none of those things are as bad or as close to as bad as killing babies, and the adoption system isn't a justification at all, if adults were more responsible there would be no need for an adoption system, you shouldn't be creating children if you can't or won't take care of them, we live in a sex addicted society that's the root of the problem

[Greergr]

"You shouldn't be creating children if you can't or won't take care of them," I agree. There is one hell of a solution to that, abortion. "we live in a sex-addicted society that's the root of the problem," we do, if it was my option, men should get vasectomies until they are ready to have kids. We could cut out the whole of abortions in the ass. I agree that the child is innocent, but what about children who want to survive and come to this country. They didn't ask to be placed in that situation. No, we are choosing to cast those children out and hurt them. There is a direct parallel; both children are innocent and can have room in our country. We only want them if it means abortion isn't a thing. Once those children are born, we can't give to shits, "put them in the system. Somebody will want them." Don't go into somebody's personal life unless you make sure that child will continue to be safe personally. We want to stick our opinions into something unique and then leave without consequence. You want to save a child from abortion, adopt a god damn child.

[king34]

Now im getting annoyed, Your either trolling or your so absolutely fucked in the head that its not even funny, you keep rambling off into these left wing talking points lady, I don't care what you think about immigration or your philosophy about America or whatever the fuck, you keep dancing 💃🕺your ass around the point, you have yet to explain how killing kids for fun is OK, which proves my point exactly there is literally NO justifiable reason to kill a baby, zero, none, nada, like I don't know if your trolling me or if you actually are just so fucked in the head by politics and these talking points to the point that you can't help but bring it up becauseyou have no defense, this is why modern politicsis a cluster fuck, and nothing gets solved because there's no focus, people like you just conflate issues to hell and back and never get anywhere, the vasectomy thing is an obvious Gass light attempt, because that's just dumb as fuck, people should just have morals, that would fix it, stop acting retarded

"I agree that the child is innocent" you just proved my point right there, I don't give a damn about all the other talking points your tryna bring up, that quote was the end all be all of this conversation, women are killing innocent children for fun and it's WRONG! you basically admitted it, thats it, thats the end you lost, I literally don't care what else you have to say or what you think about the world, I'm literally just not reading any more replys from you cuz nothing annoys me more than a person who can't stay on a damn topic, i asked you multiple times to stop running your mouth about random bullshit, and your still on it, you just made me read paragraphs upon paragraphs of bullshit for legit nothing it might as well have been jiberish. do not reply I won't read it, you'll probably start talking about your views on the fast food industry or some random shit

[Greergr]

I'm answering your question. Yes, these fetuses are innocent but so are many other things we ruin and kill for rationality's sake. I believe that it's unfair that not every child can have a place here with us. But unless every person decides to help these children, abortion is a viable answer. We can't say all children should be born no matter what but leave them in a world where they will most likely grow up hurt. That's what I'm saying.

[Greergr]

We could stop abortions, and that would be great! Men need to step up and get vasectomies. The vasectomy can be reversed, so who cares?

[RACSKC0B]

Do you know where your rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) end?
Where someone else's begin.
Your religion should not have any say in the government, or the laws and policies it passes. That's the whole seperation of church and state thing. Because unlike England, and the Church of England, you're free to choose whatever religion you would like in America. (It's no longer the case, that the English be members of the church of England) Because freedom of religion there are too many churches that exist for any of them to have say over policy.
Your religion, is just that, yours. Not mine. And what I choose to do, as long as it doesn't affect you, is none of your business. You can not like it, you can protest it, but that's it.
Keep your Jesus off my penis, I'll keep my penis off of you.

[king34]

Bro i think your confused, you either completed misread or just flat out misinterpreted what I said cuz this reply is off topic and makes no sense

[Cubus]

Why do you think abortion is only about religion? I am against abortion because fertilised egg already has a different DNA than its mother or father => it's already a different life. There's nothing religious about it, only science.

[RACSKC0B]

At best though, a fetus for most of the gestation, is a parasite and the mother is the host. Right?
Because, until the fetus can survive on it's own outside of the womb, it's completely dependant on its host to keep it alive. (To be clear, I don't mean finding food, I mean they're able to breath and to nurse without being inhibited)
As for DNA, mitochondrial DNA does not combine with the fathers, and is only passed from mother to child. It's not unique, it is the mothers mitochondrial DNA exactly.

[RACSKC0B]

@king34 but it's the religious right that has been the driving force behind overturning Roe. No one else.

[Cubus]

It is not a parasite by definition. Definition of a parasite is "an animal or plant that lives on or in another animal or plant of a different type and feeds from it:".

Another type - so human cannot be a parasite on another human :)

[king34]

bro just read the question carefully and be be on topic next time man

[Midnight_Kiss]

Me personally I couldn't have an abortion as I'm a massive overthinker, but I wouldn't judge any woman or trans-man that chooses to have an abortion as it's their body and them that have to mentally, emotionally and physically make the decision to have an abortion based on what's right for them first and foremost as they are the ones whose life would alter and who would be emotionally and financially responsible for carrying and raising a child or children in the case of twins, triplets quads etc and absolutely no other person has the right to make that decision except them.

[king34]

You keep saying their life their choice their body, what about the babies life, nothing trumps that child's right to life, nothing they had a choice when they made the child, that's just evil to make something then kill it

[Midnight_Kiss]

Not everyone that falls pregnant made the choice to do so, putting aside rape you are aware that absolutely no form of contraception is 100% effective. As a man too you have the easy job of just squirt and leave, it's the woman's body that goes through the trauma and in some cases doesn't even survive the birth, it's the women's life that is changed over night because the men can just up and leave and it's the women who gets branded for being a single parent.

So stop the bullshit argument of the unborn life when you're effectively writing of the life of the women who is already living and may lose hers during labour.

[king34]

This is the mental gymnastics i was talking about🤸‍♀️ your talking about men, as a reason for why its okay for a woman to kill her kid, but im the one with the bs argument lol. First of all The man gets held responsible one way or another, when the baby comes the guy is either gonna have to be there for the womanand child, or the court will hold him responsible, and he will be paying half his fucking paycheck in child support eitherway the man cannot escape responsiblity so i dont wanna hear that blame men bs , the woman isn't a fucking victim and they're not stupid, they know that if they spread their legs they risk getting pregnant they had unprotected sex by choice and they kill the baby because they're selfish peoces of shit, so yeah I couldn't give less of a Damn about the womens feelings the child's life thar she created by choice matters more to me than a peice of shit adults life who just likes to hoe around, but let's use your bullshit logic and say that a woman decides she wants a child, and the father leaves, now he's gonna be forced to give up half his paycheck every month for child support, shouldn't he be allowed to completely abandon his responsibility to that child, it's his money his choice, that ruins his life, you know how hard it is to live when you work at Walmart and have to pay a grand a month for 18 years, that's completely destroying his life and his future so he should be able to choose not to support the child he created at all, that's how dumb your logic is, does anyone have sympathy for him? No because his feelings and hardships dont Trump the life and wellbeing of a child, he created it he made his choice when he got the chick pregnant he gets no sympathy he has to take care of it because it's his kid that he created, so why for woman do you have all these bullshit excuses, I don't care what her life is like or the man's the child life matters more, that kid has a right to life,

[king34]

I find it funny how you care so Much about an adult womans life but don't care about a babies life, the baby is the only thing I care about so nothing you got to say matters to justify literal baby murder. the rape and health issues shit is like 1% of all abortions the rest are for selfish evil peices of shit, so there's no point in arguing about the 1% of special cases until we can agree that the 99% of recreational baby murders are completly wrong, then we can discuss that, and don't talk to me about bs arguments, when you just established yourself as the queen of them

[Kori1236]

A fetus isn’t a baby; it isn’t a living breathing sustainable being. It has the potential to be yes but until that fetus is able to function outside the womb I don’t consider it to be alive. Now I do agree that there need to be regulations for abortions. And many women have their own morals set to it. When people say killing babies I think of a parent drowning their child, deliberately leaving them in a hot car, or tossing it in a dumpster/leaving it to succumb to the elements I do not and probably will never equate abortion to murder. At the end of the day my reproductive health and choices belong to me and the other person that contributed to it; no one else’s opinion is needed or relevant.

[king34]

No one cares about your choices, once you create a human life, your choices go out the window, you can't kill babies just because you so happen to feel like it, and an abortion is literally no different than taking a shotgun, putting it to a babies face and blowing its brains out, or backing over a baby with your car, or shaping a babies nack, there's no difference as much as you people would like to believe that there is, in order to preserve your peice of mind you find ways to make yourself believe there, is a difference, that's the only way someone could sleep at night or live with themselves, it's all cognitive dissonance, basically your just sick in the head lady

[Kori1236]

That’s your opinion and I can respect that. But I won’t change my stance on abortion. As I said before the only opinion that matters in the event of an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy is those that were involved in creating it.

[king34]

There is no opinion on killing kids your just dead wrong point blank period, and the laws matter more than your opinion also, your problem is that your a selfish peice of shit, there's no defense for baby murder, and that whole it's between me and the person who created it shit doesn't mean anything, it shouldn't have been created if you dont want it, and to turn around and kill it because you can't be bothered to give a fuck about anything but your pleasure is disgusting, to call a person like that Evil would be to nice, that's the bottom line I couldnt give less of a damn about any opinions except the babies, and I'm pretty damn sure they want to live

[Kori1236]

Again dude I can respect your stance but you won’t change mine you can hate it all you like; just seems like a waste of energy to complain about something when you’re not going to get anywhere. Anyway have a good one bud.

[king34]

I think you failing to understand, I'm not trying to change your mind, like i saod your deep into cognitive dissonance territory, you already said you love killing kids, so I'm just shaming you for supporting baby murder, the same way I wouldn't try to change a serial killers mind or a rapist mind, I'd just shame them for being scum of ther earth, and as a child killer or at least a child murder supporter, your up there with worst people on earth, I don't care how it makes you feel

[Kori1236]

Really show me EXACTLY where I said that. It seems to me all you’re doing is attempting to get a rise out of people. But in reality you’re only angering yourself more. And the fact that you’re attempting to fight people on their simple opinion on a matter just proves that you’re not the intellectual you’re claiming yourself to be.

[king34]

Attempting to get a rise out of people? I'm just very blunt, I don't mind being abrasive toward people why kill kids in their free time (or support it) i won't talk to these people nicely. And I never claimed to be an intellectual, birds have an iq of like fucking 2 and they know killing their kids is wrong, so intellect has nothing to do with anything it's just basic common sense and bare minimum human morals, it's kinda crazy that me having basic sense and human decency means I'm claiming to be an intellectual, if the idea of protecting innocent children is THAT crazy to you guys then there's something wrong with youuuuuu

And it's not an opinion based matter, it's not lime we're talking about whays the best taco joint, we're talking about child genocide, there are no opinions here you either agree that killing kids is wrong or your a piece of living breathing dog shit

[Kori1236]

Wrong actually; Eclectus Parrots will peck their male offspring to death because the females are easier to raise; they’re the only species we know of that favours one gender over the other next to humans. Male lions will kill and eat the offspring of rival males to eliminate competition (as do females) or when they’ve taken over a pride. Great white sharks will kill and eat their own young if they don’t get away in time. Bears have been known to eat their offspring in unfavourable conditions as have many other animal species. It happens plenty in the animal kingdom. You can hate abortion all you like, but I think committing infanticide; which by the way the literal definition is killing a child within a year of its birth. Birth; childbirth, birthing, emergence just in case you were confused.

So yeah if we were committing infanticide after a child was born yeah I’d be outraged. Abortion is not infanticide. You can hate it all you want, call it murder all you want. But you’d be wrong.

[king34]

I legit confused, why are you still talking? every time you open your mouth you dig this whole deeper, just so you know, your not making yourself look smart, i just skimmed all that bullshit at the beginning, as there was no relevance in anything you said, as is common with you people, you keep talking and making no points, I've already told you what the reality is, everything your saying is irrelevant, i guess the reason you continue to yap about nothing is because you people feel a need for validation for your insanity, and you think that if you talk enough someone will actually start to believe your bullshit just as you have forced yourself to believe it, which I understand, if I were a kid killing piece of shit id probably try all the mental gymnastics I can and burry the guilt as deep as I could, subconsciously you think if you can fool others just like you fool yourself you will be justified/validated, but when someone like me calls you out for being evil garbage, that whole mental barrier comes crashing down and reality seeps in, and you people start to freak out so you run from it and you make every excuse in the world and go off topic and start talking about animals or gun control or orphans or some other dumb shit that has nothing to do with anything like your little national geographic book report, all cuz you know your full of shit, then you get mad at me cuz im not nice enough to literal recreational baby murderers. this post was a study group for you people, and you and everyone else proved by your own words that there is no distinction between abortion and baby murder.
so in conclusion fuck you

[Kori1236]

Honey I can tell you’re confused, you’re stumbling over words trying to get your point across and being proven wrong. You call it mental gymnastics and believe me if it were an Olympic sport you’d take gold over the simple fact you can’t see anyone else’s point of view beyond your own. Ignoring simple definitions to fit your own narrative. As said before I can respect your opinion on the matter but I’m not obligated to share your opinion. Now I’ve given you some definitions maybe you should go get your dictionary and look them up yourself. Have a good one bud

[king34]

oh my god... your actually still talking, when i saw the notification that you replied again i was baffled, im in shock that your still actually trying to speak, i gotta almost respect your unyielding commitment and dedication to being retarded, just so you know i didn't read anything past "honey your confused" because at this point your either trolling or just actually mentally handicaped, either way reading anything you say is a waste of time, you will not be read or responded to any further either, just as the other lady on here that broke down after losing the argument and started talking nonsense, the only reason i dont block is because i dont know if that remove the thread for everyone else, because i WANT people to see this utter destruction of dirty little abortion supporters. so thanks for poorly representing your kind, like 20 people here and none of them could come up with 1 actual reason that killing kids is ok, that should tell you something, its almost like... killing kids is wrong, what a crazy idea, who could've seen that plot twist coming.. fucking retards

waste your time typing up another nothing burger essay if you want, your replies won't be read

[Kori1236]

Yeah kiddo I can really tell you didn’t read past that; especially given you got the paraphrasing wrong. Like how hard is it to remember literally the first line. Your intellect is showing bud, and the fact that you’ve been met with literally nothing but opposition proves that you’re delusional. Again have a good one kiddo, you’re in for a rude awakening one day

[Changiis07]

I'm a Christian myself and even though I do not agree with abortion lots of Christians do. I know God is the one who can give and take away life. No human should have the right to but I also understand incest and rape and how that could be traumatizing. I believe God can forgive a young girl if she does decide to abort if she did it with a clean heart, if that makes sense

[Amy10223]

I think that when you ask that question, I think of someone killing as in killing the baby with a gun, knife, drowning, it, etc. Sorry for the graphic details, I think it's horrible. But I dont think a bunch of cells that are 6 weeks old is a baby. It's not even a fetus. I think killing is more like what people do with guns--which many approve of in this nation and are totally ok with it.

[king34]

Why is it always straight to a gun control talking point for you people, I don't care about guns, I do care about mothers slaughtering innocent children, and I do see abortion as no different than stabbing a baby to death, it's ending a human child's life

[Amy10223]

I dont see a fetus as a human life, that's where I disagree.

[Cubus]

It already has a different dna than mother or father. Scientifically it is a different life.

[Amy10223]

@Cubus It has shared genes from the mother and the father. It has shared DNA.

[Cubus]

Yes, that's how conception works

[OddBeMe]

1) babies aren't fetuses.
2) people should have complete control over their bodies. Whatever they want to do with it.
3) the govt should have no say in what goes in or our of our bodies. I’ve written about the vaxxine and covid. And my position on that is we can tell unvaxxed people where they can't go: like a playground. Not force them to get vaxxed, tho I’ve considered it.

[king34]

They do have complete control, I can't take my body and come kill you because I feel like it, because it's my body my choice that makes no sense if they made the baby then their choice has been made, now they have to live with their choices, the government isn't getting bitches pregnant, but they are protecting innocent children from shitty selfish mothers, and a fetus is just an early stage of life, its still growing human life any way you cut it

[OddBeMe]

First, lets take the emotion out. Look at this logically. A person should have complete control of their bodies. Period.

NOW. here's an similarity for us guys: Should the government be able to force us to give blood or bone marrow to dying children?

[king34]

This isn't an emotional stance, your emotions are telling that a woman's feelings should come before the right to life of a human being, children have a right to life period there's no justification my guy, how does it make logical sense to create a life then kill your own kid mr. logic man. Your acting like I'm talking crazy, what a crazy idea that mothers aren't supposed to kill their babies, what an insane concept

And that bone marrow thing doesn't make sense at all where is the "similarity"?, like if you don't see the difference between that analogy and a mom killing a baby that she made for recreation, I can't help you

You can do whatever you want with your body that doesn't include hurting or KILLING SOMEONE! I don't get how that doesn't make sense to you, babies are no exception in fact they should be more protected

[OddBeMe]

Wow…the emotion is clouding you. If you can't debate a topic without getting weepy you have a personality disorder. As I do, and take meds for.

But back on track: you are automatically calling bean sized fetuses “babies” and thats not logical. A seed is not a plant. Logic dictates there's a transition to “personhood” from inanimate lifeform. Or do you think sperm is people?

[king34]

Man what are you even saying, I'm just gonna ignore the first half of that message for my own sanity because it's jaw dropping
The term babies isn't literal, it's a early stage of growing human life, that's a undeniable fact point blank period, and that's all it needs to be for it to be wrong to kill it, mr. professor doctorate in advanced logic man, tell me this dr. logic man with 4 phd's in backwards logic, at what point will thes superman sitting in a nuts sack grow arms, legs, ears, eyes, and start to talk and walk and call you dada, oh yeah never, but that fetus will unless it's killed, maybe you should lose that doctorate in logic, mr. logic that makes no sense, no emotion 400 iq logic man. "Logic logic logic logic" all while making no sense at all

[OddBeMe]

Actually numbnuts, “baby” is defined as newborn infant. Hint newborn.

The debate is about when does a “person” begin. Thats what we’re obviously arguing. An old man with no brain consciousness is unplugged as he’s deemed “not alive”.

So since babies are born, prove to me that fetuses are people.

[king34]

I already told you the I wasn't using the term baby literally so I don't know why your sitting here putting definitions
#2 you don't tell me what the "debate is about" this is my post, and my topic,
You prove to me that a fetus isn't a human life, Mr. Masters in logic, here's an analogy that actually makes sense, let's say someone is in a coma, on life support and had no brain activity but we know for a fact that this person would awaken just 9 months later, would it be okay to just unplug him anyway, just cuz you feel like it? Answer me that mr. logical logic man, don't forget to use your logic

[OddBeMe]

If there’s no brain activity you don't get it back. Your lack of scientific knowledge is astounding.

[Cubus]

Freedom works as long as you don't interrupt other's freedom. That's how it's worked since French revolution. So abortion doesn't aplly to this. Killing a baby is violating its freedom.

[king34]

Holy fuck are you actually slow dude?"if there's no brain activity you won't get it back" Bro how retarded can you be, it's a hypothetical, I knew you were gonna be that kinda guy to not answer the hypothetical and start talking about it as if it were real because you know it absolutely proves my point, you pretty much just conceded the argument right there,
I love how you pride yourself on being soooo logical but you don't understand stand the function of a hypothetical question, I've argued with 20 people about this topic and yours has been the weakest and by far the dumbest, I hope to God your trolling and not as stupid as your pretending, either way you've already concided to my point by bitching out of the question,
The funny part is you honestly think your smart, and everything you say is fucking stupid. Like re-read all the messages you sent bro.
And by the way I've been calling you logical this whole time sarcastically, (to make fun of you) I feel the need to spell that out for you because I actually believe you might be retarded at this point, and I don't want you thinking I'm actually complimenting your intelligence, when you reply please think about what your saying and make sure it makes sense, have somebody read this for you or something just don't say anything else fucking stupid cuz I'm starting to feel bad like I'm bullying a retarded guy cuz that's what talking to you feels like.

And if you are actualy trolling stop playing dumb, if you do I'm just gonna assume you are that dumb

[OddBeMe]

im deeply pained by your criticism… :(
But again, still disregarding personhood. I’m not ready to take rights away from women until figuring it out. But i guess you're ok with it.

[John_Doesnt]

I hate abortions because it gives women a choice and women aren't smart enough. but I like abortion because it kills babies, I really hate babies.
So I'm very divided on the whole issue. I want to kill babies, but I can't stand the idea of women having too much freedom.

[king34]

I understand your plight

[CindyRuns]

I don't get it either... but... then again, I'm not insane... and also the mother of two beautiful children.

[gag37627]

I can't reply where you called me a simp. I blocked her and I can't unblock her because she closed her account after I insulted her by not understanding her.

She is college lecturer. Also I used to like a lecturer as well. I know how these people feel because of it. They have feelings even they are bounded with work ethics. Also I don't think she is a bad person

[king34]

I oh understand now. but she's still in the wrong it hardly seems fair to take her side over his, but I guess as long as he's not under aged I don't really care too much. I didn't know you could be a professor at 25.

[gag37627]

It just needs to pass out from university to work as a lecturer in south Asia I mean if you are qualified. You don't even have to have a Masters.

Can you do me a favor please?

[king34]

Do what?

[gag37627]

"I'm sorry, I hurt you. I should have read your last messages well. I was so convinced from things in my head I didn't even get the simple idea of your messages. I thought you just wanted to know it was me. It was the only thing processing in my head that you were being nice to me to get the answers you wanted.

When I reread your messages you were already gone closing your account. "

[gag37627]

May you paste that under my opinion please

[gag37627]

Thank you very much! She might not see it. But it will give me relief.

[king34]

No prob

[Whatever2929292]

The same reason that men get women preggers and run off... Because they are cowards and can't make responsible choices and then when something happens... Oops not my problem

[SiberFox]

here's the fundamental difference between those who see it as murder amd those that don't. The beginning of life. Pro-lifer see life as begining at conception. Abortionists will give varied answers as to when life begins.

[EmyyWolf]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/tT_c_9WqUNshttps://www.youtube.com/embed/vfrcrD0e7Ew

@king34

[Anonymous]

Some people don’t see abortion as murder when it happens early in the pregnancy. I’m not saying that they are right I’m just pointing out that they don’t see it as murder. Everyone has a different idea of when personhood begins.

[andreasderjuengere]

For similar reasons killing adults for ''patriotic'' reasons is considered ''okay'' as well.
It's because we CAN, I guess?

[wittymilf]

Do you feel that your opinion is more important than those who might disagree with you?

[king34]

It's not really an opinion baby murder is wrong every body on earth would agree with that, but the disconnect comes when people don't think abortion =baby murder, and they try to make 2+2=160 just to justify themselves killing kids

[wittymilf]

Yup and you should rename masturbation to mass murder 😂😂 how many million babies do you kill a week? !

[king34]

no child has been created, nothing is growing, my nuts won't turn into 2 kids in 9 months, My semen will never ever ever ever ever ever grow arms and legs and eyes and ears and walk and talk and call me da da, a fetus will if you dont kill it. You sound dumb lady

[wittymilf]

And you sound like you think your opinion is made valuable than others opinions. 🤷‍♀️

[king34]

Because it's not an opinion, I only speak facts

[Cubus]

Not only women, men too. There are actually more anti-abortion women than anti-abortion men. Many women had abortion just because their boyfriends forced them to.

[Still-alive]

what a nice leading, baiting question you posted. im sure it was asked fairly and you're actually seeking honest answers and not shit posting...

[TheFlak38]

Their plausible deniability is that it's not their fault. It's men's fault for being assholes and of course the doctors who kill the baby.

[Lyndsielee666]

Put your effort into the kids in foster care. They need help way more help bud.

[king34]

At least they're alive

[Lyndsielee666]

You’ve clearly never been in the system. Must be nice

[king34]

You've clearly never been killed by your own mother. Must be nice

[Still-alive]

this about sums up pro-lifers pretty much lol

[Lyndsielee666]

My mother actually did try. Hence the restraining over I have on her for me and my children. Do continue though

[king34]

@Still-alive your just a sicko that likes killing kids for your own pleasure, stop it, get some help

[king34]

Your still alive tho, but She had the right to kill you according to pro choice logic

[Still-alive]

ohhh calling people names. how un-christian of you.

[king34]

@Still-alive I'm missing the part where I ever claimed to be a Christian lmao, guess you have to be dumb and illiterate to think killing kids is cool

[Still-alive]

you know you are sir. stop pretending. otherwise you wouldn't see an issue at all.

[king34]

@Still-alive You think that killing kids is only Wrong from a religious perspective? I can't tell if your trolling or if you're actually just this far off the deep end, either way your a special case for the retard books, your mom shoulda aborted you

[Lyndsielee666]

Wish she would’ve killed me

[king34]

Why would you wish for something like that? Are you ok

[Lyndsielee666]

Boy shut up

[king34]

Lmao, you would have deserved it if she did kill you

[king34]

Why do you put 666 in your name? All your doing is telling people you have severe mental health issues before they even talk to you at all

[Lyndsielee666]

🥱 ouch that hurt so bad. Whoa is me.

[king34]

Seek help

[Lyndsielee666]

Stay mad 😋

[king34]

You said joe?

[king34]

That's what I thought

[Lyndsielee666]

You’re talking to yourself bud😂

[Cubus]

Ignore that guy. After Roe vs Wade was repelled, he asked like 7/8 questions in 2 days about abortion. He's either an extremist or not mentally stable.

[king34]

Joe mama

[king34]

@Cubus who me?

[Cubus]

You can't put effort into children in foster care if they were killed before it.

[Cubus]

You should ignore Still Alive. I told you why.

[Anonymous]

Killing people in general should be okayOnly snowflakes go like "uh guh killing bad"

[NamerOfStars]

Because they don't think of them as babies.