Do you think there's a difference of a person practicing sin or immoral acts privately and celebrating sin or immoral acts pubically?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I ask this because some American Republican conservatives who claim Christianity say liberals (a lot of them) promote sin and immorality such as abortion and LGBT which is true, but what about serious sins or immoral acts such as lying, arrogance, which is an abomination to God according to the Bible gets ignored?

American Republican conservatives like to paint liberals as all bad and immoral people because they support openly LGBT and abortion rights but these same people at the same time heavily support Donald Trump who openly promotes immoral conduct as greed, materialism, vanity, covetousness, bragging and who himself said "he never ask God for forgiveness"

American republican conservatives like drinking and get drunk pubically at bars, hire hookers to sleep with, gossip, openly gamble because they love money too.

My point is do you think that's hypocrisy and a form of self righteousness in denial?

[abc3643]

Of course, there's hypocrisy.

It's rooted in Calvinism.

Look: Back when Christianity primarily meant the Catholic Church, the message in Christianity was, well, Christian behavior - denial of self, sacrifice for others, giving to the poor, love thy enemy, and such.
But, that goes against fundamental human nature of greed and doing what is necessary to survive... "Me and my kids over you and yours". Christianity may be 2000 years old, but evolution is 2 million times older, so instincts are really hard to beat.

Anyway, here's the problem: How can you still be a "Christian" without actually being a Christian in behavior which goes against your fundamental nature? Answer: Create a new "Christian" religion in which it's OK to be a selfish asshole.

This wasn't hard to do.

After all, the Catholic Church was a bit corrupt by the mid-2nd Millennium and this gave rise to Martin Luther and the Reformation and the birth of Protestant religions. Since people were making new variations of Christianity and it was catching on in central Europe, others got into it making their new variants too. Once you got rid of the Pope out of your life, then no human is really in authority anymore and you can make up whatever you want! That's what Henry VIII of England did when the Catholic Church wouldn't give him a divorce...

OK, now to Calvinism...
John Calvin made up his flavor-du-jour of Christianity and one essential tenet is "Predestination". This is from Wikipedia, but it's copied from somewhere else, of course:

"Reformed theologians teach that sin so affects human nature that they are unable even to exercise faith in Christ by their own will. While people are said to retain will, in that they willfully sin, they are unable not to sin because of the corruption of their nature due to original sin."

That's paragraph sounds sufficiently scholarly, etc.

>>> OK, you see that important part?
"[People] are unable not to sin"

What does that REALLY imply?
>>>>> It's OK to be a douchebag because, even though you are Christian, you can't help yourself. Besides, your sinful acts are all just a part of God's unknowable master plan anyway, so sin to your heart's content.

You bet quite a few other Protestant religions picked up on that too, like the Baptists, and ran in it for a touchdown.

Now, America was founded primarily by English Protestants - like John Calvin - and Baptists are the single largest Christian denomination in the US. So... put 2 and 2 together and what do you get? A nation of hypocritical Christians who can do whatever sinful thing they want because they "can't help it" and "it's part of God's plan".

BUT!

If ___YOU___ try to do something sinful, they are going to come down on your ass at the speed of light as if they were God's hired assassins.

Anyway, bottom line, yes, America's conservative Christians are hypocrites and led by the biggest hypocrite of all: Donald Trump.

[Texaskid1]

People will use religion or politics only when it suits their own needs or prejudices. For example , most of the people who do not like homosexuals will say something along the lines of " This verse X says that man shall not lie with man!" or something to that effect. They will say this simply because they do not like gays. In my case I am not too crazy about the gays because the thought of two men getting it on is repulsive to me. Not because the bible condemns it. They way I see it is people have certain things they like or don't like , certain preconceived notions about others , certain economic or political interests and many times , will use a religion to justify a particular attitude or behavior. Christians do it , so do Muslims , Jews and others. This goes for both things they don't like and for things they do like regardless if it is public or private.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

But do you think that's wrong and hypocrisy?

[BillyBalls]

People claim that those who are anti-abortion are just religious zealots.

Many non-religious people are anti-abortion.

[DJB72]

Trust me, the MAGA crown would crucify Christ. They're 21st century Pharisees.

The loony left are as bad

Jesus never was political and never will be.

What's important is repentance (the opposite of tolerance/acceptance) and being transformed into His Likeness through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (requiring the eviction of MAGA)

[AviatorTom]

I'm not a religious expert, but I believe the Bible says something like "no man is without sin", which is why God forgives.

I think the Bible also says something like "Do not judge others, lest you be judged."

[EtherealGuy]

Privacy is very important. Doing something in public means you want to broadcast what you're doing to the world, whereas things done in private are done so that you can feel safe in what you're doing. The same way you shouldn't judge people for the private thoughts inside their head, you shouldn't judge them for things they're doing out of sight of the world.

[BillyBalls]

Let's se now!!

Bill Clinton got a blowjob in the oval office.

Hunter Biden and his Papi Joe are into shading deals with foreign governments.

Let's not forget Hunter's drug abuse and patronizing hookers.

Need I need to continue the list of Democrats who are equally immoral or worse than 99% of Conservatives?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Matt Gaetz is messing around with under age girls while married which makes it worse.

A lot of republicans are known for messing with under age girls.

Donald Trump cheated on his wives and grabs women by their private areas and brags about it.

Bush Jr. was in cahoots with a bunch of the scumbags to betray the nation to bring about 9/11 inside job that murdered over 2 thousand people and left many others with life long injuries and medical problems.

[BillyBalls]

And?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You actually think Democrats and liberals are worse than Republicans and consumers morally? LOL

You're dead wrong. Jesus doesn't think so. Every human is morally guilty before God.

Luke 13:1-5

There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?

I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?

I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

Romans 3:9-20

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.

They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

“Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; “The poison of asps is under their lips”; “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”

“Their feet are swift to shed blood; Destruction and misery are in their ways; And the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

*conservatives

[BillyBalls]

"Judge not, lest you be judged!" Mathew 7:1

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Practice what you preach, then don't judge liberals then. 😂

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Far left ones.

[BillyBalls]

Seems you are the one judging and not seeing the whole picture!!

[EnglishEuropean]

Romans 16:17-18
New International Version
17 "I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."

[termanator]

I’ll tell you what brother we’re all sinners, only God through the blood of Jesus and the resurrection of the same can save us. With that said I do agree with you there is some hypocrisy on the Trump side seems like self-righteousness to me that said I do not support abortion, lying is also wrong, drinking in my opinion is wrong to. As well as all the other things you mentioned. I’m not sure why they can’t see it, but both sides of the government in my mind are promoting sin

[Waldoe]

WOW... So, you are a "Hater" you judge people according to labels? No need to meet them or talk to them? You sound like a horrible person. You judge everyone before talking to them... SHAME ON YOU

[WhiteBoyChill]

I also happen to know enough conservatives to tell you that a majority of us don’t do those things

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yeah sure. Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas bars aren't filled with drunk, greedy conservatives who have sex with hookers. 😵‍💫

[WhiteBoyChill]

Perhaps they are. But that’s only a small share of all conservatives.

But if you insist. How about I demonize all Latin people for being gang members just because of the actions of a few who give the rest a bad name?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Small share? 🤣

[Anonymous]

Ugh. You’re just another immigrant bitching about America.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You misread the question. Read it again.

[Exterminatore]

Liberals are scum period.

[007kingifrit]

yea it's worse in public

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Why so?

[007kingifrit]

doing it in public encourages others to do the sin also

at least in private is somehow an admission that it is wrong, it is less brazen

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Fair enough.