Do you agree that women of this generation are starved of the masculinity that women naturally desire?

[TonightYouu]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/

Yes , women want men to be men

No , I reject the idea that femininity desires masculinity

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1 y

For everyone saying the R-word is just a fantasy and has nothing to do with that person what about pedophiles who fantasize sexually about children

SEXUALLLY - Wendall

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1 y

What are sexually degrading things which turns you on? ↗

Look at the female replies on this question 😂

[Apple1996]

For sure but the issue is within these women. Most of them are on birth control and that makes them attracted to beta men then they realize later on that these men aren't good providers or protectors. It's also making men change themselves to be more attractive to women so they are turning themselves beta. It's all really bad for our society overall. 😕

[dustybiker]

You read about a study of few select woman who have had rape fantasies (something that if you further investigate doctor publishings doesn’t have any connection to actually wanting to be raped at all), and warp it into all woman craving more masculinity.

This question has no bases.

[TonightYouu]

Do women want men

[sirderpsalot123]

Are you saying that women have rape fantasies because men aren't masculine enough to actually rape them?

No. I don't agree with that.

[sirderpsalot123]

Can you answer the question?

[sirderpsalot123]

How does the minority of women having a rape fantasy mean that women are starved of the masculinity that they naturally desire?

[TonightYouu]

Minority? Are you implying most women are gay?

[sirderpsalot123]

You answer my question and then I'll answer your question.

[sirderpsalot123]

Because you refuse to answer any of my questions, I'm left to assume that you believe women have rape fantasies because they want to be dominated by men, all of the time, every second of every day, and that's stupid.

A rape fantasy is a SEXUAL fetish. That's it. These women don't want to be dominated in every part of their lives, they want to be dominated, specifically in their SEX lives - there's many different reasons for this and it will depend on the individual woman.

1. They enjoy letting go and putting their trust in their partner.

2. She wants to feel irresistible and that a good looking man can't resist her enough take no for an answer.

3. She has been made to believe that sex for pleasure is dirty and this sexual fetish will allow her to resist/say no but will still get to enjoy having sex.

I could give you many more possible reasons and none of them have anything to do with masculinity.

[sirderpsalot123]

And sorry for deleting your first reply, didn't mean to do that.

You said something about me being an idiot for agreeing with my own assumptions but still didn't elaborate.

[TonightYouu]

For the record I didn’t call you an idiot I said ridiculous, like silly , or zany

[TonightYouu]

And CHRIST! Why are you guys so focused on the rape part of it

[sirderpsalot123]

I just don't understand why you felt the need to add that part. It doesn't belong here lol

[TonightYouu]

@sirderpsalot123 yes it did because it defuses contrarians and a lot of you are still arguing with facts and stats it shows me who is just here to argue and who actually wants to have a conversation

[sirderpsalot123]

What facts? What stats? the only stats you provided was about women who have had rape fantasies and again, that has nothing to do with masculinity. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a good day, sir.

[Smoothing]

" I fear the day that technology surpasses human interaction. The world will be filled with a generation of idiots."

[TonightYouu]

Kinda already has genZ has some of the worst social skills I’ve ever seen maybe if parents stop letting iPads and tablets raise their children this wouldn’t happen

[Smoothing]

Yup, and women of this generation are not starved of the masculinity they desire. That to me sounds like mental programming. The men are just fine.

[Smoothing]

It is just that nowadays, people are being mislead when it comes to dating.

[TonightYouu]

I was gonna dis agree with you but your second response made things clear they’re definitely being misled

[JDavid25]

Yeah, they do.. I notice many many women like to be dominated in certain settings, but dominant in the settings they think is most important... So yeah women are definitely starved for masculinity.. You have one side that openly admits it, and the other that wants the same thing but just either don't wanna admit it or wants their own twisted or neutered version of masculinity..

[TonightYouu]

Ya know one of the main things I hate about feminism is that submission to your husband means submitting to a man who doesn’t have your best interest in mind my gal wants her hair done and I told her no because I can/will use that money to benefit us in the long run

[Juxtapose]

I really don't think they want us to be men because they try everything in their power to demonize masculinity.

[TonightYouu]

We need masculinity to quote Jordan Peterson “What the hell are we gonna do without men”

[exitseven]

yes, my wife says they don't make guys like they used to.

[RiseofArtemis]

Maybe women should start having the father around then.

[exitseven]

@RiseofArtemis I was around for all my kids.

[TonightYouu]

@exitseven that’s awesome

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Definitely. Women like mature strong men. Women despise weak and whiny men which a lot of men today are.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Yet they’ll still date them. Just saying

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@WhiteBoyChill: Then get rid of them or cheat on them.

[TonightYouu]

@WhiteBoyChill or friendzone them

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy or Cuckold them to men are actually men LOL

[Anonymous]

Maybe to some extent, but is it really such a bad thing. I'm curious what you think of THIS...

Is it bad that I deliberately seek compassion and protection from women?

[Curmudgeon]

A *and* B. How does that work? Well, "A" is the Truth, but indoctrinated dupe "womyn" have been led to think "B".

[msc545]

No - what women absolutely desire is money earned by men.

[TonightYouu]

I wanted to disagree but when you’re right you’re right

[MangoBob]

They brought it on themselves with all their “ toxic masculinity “ bull shit. I went and spent $7,000 on a RealDoll sex doll that doesn’t bitch, bleed or bloat and she does all the kinky things i like, plus, never a word about “ toxic masculinity”

[BlueScorpio]

I think most women do want a men to be a men.

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Why are you using "r word" as a sub for rape, no one is gonna report you down for saying that.

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

That's like censoring drug as d word

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

9/11 destroyed western culture and mainstreamized strip clubs, prostitution, only fans

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Not to mention they're exposing kids to Cardi B and Hooters (yes Hooters has a kids menu)

[TonightYouu]

I actually really don’t like that word or talking about it and it’s making me uncomfortable that that’s what so many are focusing on instead of the actual topic

[TonightYouu]

@hostboy__fastestlaps you do know hooters is a family restaurant right?

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Hooters allowing people of all ages in doesn't make a family restaurant. That's like saying pride is a family event even though there are still drag queens showing themselves off, it's still age restricted and even though Hooters is not, it still serves a major purpose and it's women dressing in skimpy shorts for male attention and male MANAGER attention at that

[TonightYouu]

@hostboy__fastestlaps you can’t compare hooters to that Drag your kids to pride mess kids aren’t putting dollar bills down their thongs at hooters

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

It's still perverted to want to have your poor little kids pose with thong THOTS. It's equally as bad

[TonightYouu]

@hostboy__fastestlaps no it’s not they aren’t twerking or dancing in a sexual nature or teaching kids to pole dance it’s a restaurant not a strip club

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Retard

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

Can you even define masculinity? Because I think all people want someone that is strong and confident. I obviously I mean mentally strong which is way better that physically strong.

[TonightYouu]

What kind of bizzaro world do you live in masculinity are any traits or attributes that are prevalent in men and boys

[WhiteBoyChill]

To be quite frank. Most women aren’t feminine and most men aren’t masculine anymore.

[TonightYouu]

Someone here gets it lol

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's funny when women want men but they also want to be men and shames men for rejecting them. A lot of women are modern women but they want traditional men not modern men and hate the idea of being a traditional woman which makes them a hypocrite.

[LimitedBenefits101]

Its so funny how women have such weird and disgusting fetish and they are very PROUD OF IT but when the fetish becomes reality they beg for help and cry

I honestly don't understand women's brain

[Haha456]

nowadays, modern men are really just horny perverted beta boys.

In the past, men actually had self control, didn't sleep around and knew how to treat women with respect and class. Nowadays, guys just sleep around and act like betas. Waiting for girls to make the move.

[TonightYouu]

You’re not wrong but that’s not fair because men nowadays didn’t have fathers in the home and women are mostly to blame for that y’all don’t even oppose the women who claim that sensitive effeminate submissive men are hot so…

[Haha456]

its mens fault for abandoning their kids leaving single moms to do all the work. its all mens fault. men like you who abandon their kids.

[TonightYouu]

Do they abandon their kids or do they abandon the mother? As a matter of fact women will cheat on their husbands divorce them then lie to their children that their father doesn’t want them anymore, Not to mention government assistance for single moms as a matter of fact it’s rare to find a man who truly doesn’t give a damn about their children when something like that happens it’s usually because of the mother intentionally keeping men away from their children to hurt them but in the end it only hurts the child the most and worst of the bunch most evil women who do this type of stuff are the ones who get custody by claiming that the father molested their children ( there is a special place in hell for these women truly vile sub human trash)

[KrakenAttackin]

@haha456 If this is the type of men you are encountering, it says more about you than men.

[TonightYouu]

@KrakenAttackin right why are you choosing to have children with a man who will abandon his kids

[KrakenAttackin]

@tonightyouu. She wants the seed of an Alpha, who she can hold onto, so she needs a Beta to pay for everything.

[TonightYouu]

@KrakenAttackin shameless and shallow women…I pity them they bring their own ruin

[Curmudgeon]

And all too many of you girls DO make the first move, if the guy is a chisled "Chad" type, in that case all too many of you eagerly ride the Chad Cock Carousel.

Meanwhile, all too many of you blow off a nice guy who DOES treat you with respect and class, and all too many of you call him weak or "beta". The very fact you are using that term sadly indicates you ARE one of those all too many, prove me wrong.

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

how do you know that a man will abandon his children? I don't have a crystal ball to check.

its the man's fault. stop blaming the woman.

[Haha456]

@Curmudgeon

whats wrong with calling men "beta" if you're willing to call women "feminists" or "butch" or "lesbians" because we hold careers?

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

you sound like u need to get laid. you will be less bitter. too bad you can't

[Curmudgeon]

@haha456 I do? Nowadays we all have to pull our proverbial financial weight. I actually put an ex wife through med school. Lesbian is more of a nasty man-hating attitude, although some guys tell me they have lucked out and scored with hotties who went both ways, but that seems apocryphal to me.

[Haha456]

@Curmudgeon

misogynists on here wouldn't hesitate to call your wife "masculine" or "lesbians" for goin to med school.

she didn't stay home. she stayed at school and at work. then this means she must be a lesbian or feminist.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 You’re maturity is showing too many of you women choose these assholes because a man of character and high morality is less attractive you women won’t choose them it’s like @Curmudgeon said you women fuck assholes then when you’re old and less attractive then you want the good guys

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

men are responsible for the degradation of society. Men abandon their kids so they grow up to become criminals.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 well you women fuck these terrible men friendzone use and ignore the decent men then blame all men for your choices

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

it is men who make up vast majority of serial killers, murderers, rapists, child molesters, robberies, start all the world's wars, abandon their kids.

clearly men are the problem

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 Those men were raised by single mothers Hitler ( single mother) Osama ( single mother) John Wayne gacy ( single mother)
It says more about the women who raise them than the men there are no bad students only bad teachers

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

did you criminals all come from homes without fathers? if the father leaves, then it must mean the kid will grow up to become no good. it says nothing about the mothers. the mothers are already doing a very noble thing raising the kid on her own and not abandoning it.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 according to you she’s raising a criminal

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

but thats only cuz dad left.

[Haha456]

boys don't have a good male role model to prevent them from a life of crime.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 so women need a man

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

nahh.. there is a good chance these fathers who abandon their kids aren't good men any ways. likely they're criminals. if they are good men, why would they abandon their kids?

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 no why would women fuck these men?

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

Because men love tricking women into bed. Theyre infamously called players. They lie to women that he loves her and wants to marry then once shengets pregnant, she ditches

[Haha456]

Because men love tricking women into bed. Theyre infamously called players. They lie to women that he loves her and wants to marry then once shengets pregnant, he*** ditches

He just used her for sex

[Curmudgeon]

"its mens fault for abandoning their kids leaving single moms to do all the work. its all mens fault. men like you who abandon their kids."

Oh spare me - so many women try to drive their exes away from their own kids

[Haha456]

@Curmudgeon

American men don't make good husbands either way. I am looking for a husband now and I will never marry an American man. if they have a few problems with their wives, they either go cheating or divorce. they have no will to pull through hard times. they're constantly on the lookout for something better.

[Haha456]

@Curmudgeon

nobody can drive exes away from kids. its entirely based on a court order of how many days visitation that the father gets. the mother has no right to control what the court says.

its time you entitled men stop complaining and own up to your mistakes.
maybe the court doesn't think you're a good father which is why they only let you see your kid on a supervised visit once a month

[KrakenAttackin]

@haha456. You know if a guy is a fuck boy it not. Baby trapping a fuck boy never works, but females never learn. This is why women like you end up with multiple kids from multiple Chads, than desperately search for a Beta to pay for it all. Pathetic and predictable.

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

maybe if you stopped being a perverted "player" tricking girls into bed, we wouldn't have so many babies running around without daddies.

[KrakenAttackin]

@haha456. The serial killers and serial rapist have one common theme in their childhood... an abusive single mother. FACT.

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

single mothers do not become single mothers unless their daddies abandon her.

[TonightYouu]

@KrakenAttackin no they say stuff like
“I CAN CHANGE HIM”

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 Those women and women like you do not deserve to have any rights if you can be held accountable for any choices you make

You’re just like those crybaby blacks who blame all their problems on slavery when every race at one point in time was discriminated against or slaves blacks are the only ones who cling to that victim mentality and what has it done for them NOTHING!

What has feminism done for women NOTHING! Besides give you an excuse to not be held accountable

[Curmudgeon]

@Haha456 Well, so many of us are not looking for American women either.

[Curmudgeon]

@haha456

"nobody can drive exes away from kids. its entirely based on a court order of how many days visitation that the father gets. the mother has no right to control what the court says."

Oh just STOP. You have no idea how vindictive exes use the legal system to drive away ex-husbands and fathers from their kids. Your fatuous statement speaks for itself. You really do need a beating.

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

Maybe your single mother should have abandoned you in the park and let you starve to death, just like your daddy abandoned you. You should be lucky single mothers worked hard to raise you. You wouldn't be here today if it weren't for the work of single moms.

[Haha456]

@Curmudgeon

You want to beat me because you are a misogynist.

sorry, its a fact that women have no control over what courts say. its courts that make the decision, not women.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 you should be more respectful I actually was abandoned by both my parents im here today because of government assistance , generous strangers and half eaten food in dumpsters

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

you won't be alive if it weren't for the work of single moms.

[KrakenAttackin]

@tonightyouu. I have a similar story to yours and agree that most have no clue.

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

you told me you had a mama. you just hated her cuz she dropped you when you were a baby

[KrakenAttackin]

@haha456. Sad. How is single life?

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

You wouldn't be so bitter if a woman looked your way. Too bad it never happens

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 you don’t know me but I know none of us would be here without men building and maintaining our societies infrastructure

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

men also commit vast majority of crimes and abandon vast majority of children and start vast majority of wars

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 well you owe single mothers for raising them

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

the problem is that single mothers have to work jobs which means there's nobody to watch the kids at home. so the kids run outside with no supervision which often leads to them doing something bad. if dad was there, this wouldn't have happened.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 Oh is that right? Cus single fathers still can work and have time to discipline their children
Guess men are just superior parents 🤣

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

there's no proof single fathers are better parents than single mothers.

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

Another reason why single mothers tend to raise criminal children compared to married mothers is because she is poorer due to the fact that the father of the child had left, which means she can only afford to live in poor areas where crime is prevalent, which means that her kid is more likely to be raised in crime filled neighborhoods.

if the father had stayed , the kids wouldn't have to live in poor crime filled neighborhoods

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 its her fault for choosing to be a single mother and everything you just said now is proof that fathers are better

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

there is no crystal ball to check whether or not a guy will abandon his kids or not. there's no chance she could have known.

as far as I know, over 90% of single parents are women. Which means vast majority of men abandon their kids. Vast majority of criminals are also men. Vast majority of people that start wars are also men.

clearly men are the problem, not women.

women work hard to raise their kids while men work hard to destroy their kids and society

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 well single mothers raised them so it’s their fault
And by the way women have killed kids than (64 million babies die a year from abortion) so who is really destroying society?

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

if you count how many men abandon their babies, it would be a baby massacre. you should be thankful single moms saved these abandoned babies.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 but they don’t according to you they raise criminals remember

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

single moms don't raise criminals. its just that single moms cannot afford to give kids a good childhood due to financial constraints.

[Haha456]

if dad didn't leave, the kid would've been able to grow up in a better neighborhood

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 that’s the first problem you think you need money to give a child a good life smh.

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

well the father left so thats why the kid needs to grow up in a poor crime filled neighborhood. if the father was making money and the mother was making money, the kid could live in a better neighborhood where his best friend is not a gang rapist.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 so women are children basically

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

if she was a child, she wouldn't have been able to work work a 8 -9 hour shift then have to come home to continue doing housework, cooking, teaching the child, pay rent, buy groceries, bathe the kid, pack the kid's lunch box, laundry. Thats a 22 hour day that she is working on a daily basis with no break.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 children work all the time in 3rd world countries im saying women are children because they don’t get held accountable

[KrakenAttackin]

@haha456. Single mothers are the most likely to mentally and physically abuse their children, and to ALLOW sexual abuse by their roster of boyfriends.

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

In america, some kids need to drop out of school to work job cuz dad is not there to help their single moms pay the bills.

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

quite frequently men who abandon their kids are criminals themselves.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 And who raised them?

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

single moms don't have time to raise their kids. they spend most of their time at work

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 because they’re terrible mothers

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

its because they don't have the time to even be mothers cuz dad is gone.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 how is that are they working 90hrs a week? that’s not likely because most single mothers receive government assistance there’s a reason single mothers are the poorest demographic

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

most single mothers do not even receive child support.

[Haha456]

if she was rich with so much government assistance, don't you think she would be able to afford to live in a better neighborhood?

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 so you’ve never heard of USDA housing and rental assistance that’s government assistance too created to help low income people ( single mothers) become homeowners

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 you’re older than me you should know better 😂

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

single mothers are rarely ever homeowners. the government is never gonna give you a free home, there is a certain income level requirement and certain amount of down payment even if they try to help you out. Single moms under poverty usually never make it.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 that’s because single moms are usually poorly educated and bad with money but they could definitely own a home

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

the single mom wouldn't be in poverty if the father was there supporting them. 2 incomes are better than 1. the kid wouldn't end up being a criminal if the father was there too

so at the end of the day, its all the fathers fault for abandoning them.

studies have shown there is a high correlation between a child's outcome and his parent's financial circumstances

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 thanks for admitting how important fathers are

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

Not really. Studies have shown that fathers only matter if the single mother is under poverty. Kids of single moms that are financially well off tend to do just as well as kids born to heterosexual parents.

Kids born to lesbian parents tend to do better in school than kids to heterosexual couples.

[Haha456]

Its poverty that is the problem, not the missing fathers. 2 incomes are better than 1

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 you’re arguing with yourself because you keep contradicting yourself

[Haha456]

Another expert on fatherhood, sociologist Tim Biblarz of the University of Southern California-Los Angeles, says the evidence shows economics plays a significant role in the risk for negative outcomes, such as poorer grades and lower educational attainment, substance abuse or poor social adjustment.

"Those who grow up with single mothers with adequate socioeconomic resources tend to do well. The children of poor single mothers are more at risk," Biblarz says. "Many of the results that say that kids are at increased risk for negative outcomes have to do with economics."

abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=5687285

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 who are you even debating

[Haha456]

see? there is proof that fathers aren't needed

[TonightYouu]

But you spent the first half this argument talking about how the kids and mother wouldn’t be in poverty without the dad they wouldn’t be criminals 😂😂 your so combative you’re arguing with yourself you’re a literal ouroborus

[Haha456]

if a single mom has enough money to raise a child, she doesn't need the father. studies have shown these kids do just as well , if the mom has enough money.

sorry

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 not psychologically the damage of growing up without a dad is permanent

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

studies prove you wrong. kids born to financially well off single moms tend to do just as well in school as kids of heterosexual couples

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 but for kids who aren’t raised by single moms average is the worst they can do But
Kids raised by single moms average is the best they can do

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

there is a huge difference between a financially well off single mom and a broke single mom under poverty.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 not really because they’re still the poorest demographic with more children on drugs and in jail

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

does it make you feel bad that single moms who financially well off can still raise kids that are just as successful as having heterosexual couples?

[Haha456]

it just comes to prove that men aren't necessary.

single women can have kids, single men can't.

[TonightYouu]

@haha456 can she have kids with other women?

[Haha456]

@tonightyouu

single women do not need husbands to have kids. single men need wives to have kids.

[KBird]

What is your definition of masculinity in this regard?

Because it can be interpreted as: men being men and taking what they want (rape culture). Or, the antithesis of men acting more 'femininely', such as loving to cook or doing art, being more affectionate, wearing dresses, skirts or heels, etc. Frankly, I dont associate these actions or characteristics to a sex, but I know some people do.

[TonightYouu]

Im not going to respond to that what is masculinity question because most people already know if they know anything about men then you already know

Moving on not labeling things is very dangerous and toxic mindset

[JDavid25]

Why's you give a more careful slightly thorough definition for femininity and a simple nasty one for masculinity? LMAO..

[JDavid25]

Why'd***..

[NewsReader]

Despite what we see on social media news, TV, and anything else that gains public attention, majority of women want a traditionally masculine man. It's in their natural to desire such a man.

[NewsReader]

Nature*

[KrakenAttackin]

Modern women want classical men, but modern women have nothing to offer these men.

[FilmGuy93]

I think women basically want men to be men, but I think it also scares them. We need men to be higher quality men.

[torossia1171]

I would argue the opposite, westernized women want toxic masculine men. Here in the west and outside of Asia the women are all fucking stupid teenagers who want a violent older taller musuclar guy who acts like a criminal pitbull and fights a lot and beats her shit. Too much masculinity is a problem especially muscles.

[TonightYouu]

I disagree toxic masculinity is just an uncontrolled form of masculinity which most young guys have and never develop (especially without a father figure) into the more mature stoic masculinity that women desire