What are the determining factors of the rape claim being false other than the confession from the false accuser?

[marish01]

The false allegation can also be proven if she mentions a place and a data where he was in another location.

If he is not lucky to have been in another place he is deemed as a rapist by society.

[globetrotter22]

The false accuser might change their story (major details). Also women usually have vivid memories of all the details of what happened after a traumatic event. Unless the accuser was very intoxicated they should have strong memories of what they were wearing, the surroundings, what the rapist looked like and what he said/did, etc.

Also the accuser might be angry at the someone else about something else that has nothing to do with rape. For example a woman might be pissed off at her boyfriend/husband about something, cheats on them (consensually) and then claims rape to absolve themselves of the guilt. Really heinous thing to do but I’ve heard of that happening.

Amyway if the accuser is angry at another man about something directly prior to the incident than that’s a topic that needs to be scrutinized.

Also lots of women have open “rape fantasies”. Most men are too scared to move forward on this with a stranger (and for good reason). But some men might actually take a woman up on the fantasy she tells him about. So it happens and it’s (in her mind) no longer consensual after it was done. That is a very horrifying scenario for men as well.

[MelvinGeek]

I'm not really an ace attorney, but I would say a false rape claim would be one that is lacking in the following:

1) Evidence of physical force used against her; bruises, bleeding, etc.
2) Witnesses with a corroborating account of the incident matching the victim's.
3) Reasonable amount of time between the day she was assaulted and the day she reported it.

Of course, the accused needs only the case to have *reasonable doubt* in order to avoid a conviction... but I could be wrong.

[Kaytiee]

These are huge misconceptions, especially the third one. What people fail to understand is 8/10 times rape is committed by someone known to the victim. This means friends, family, boyfriend, girlfriend, co-worker etc. Source: www.rainn.org/.../perpetrators-sexual-violence

I was raped by my boyfriend and didn't process it until a few months after. I was 16 and he was 22 (Legal in the UK), I told him before we meet I don't want to lose my virginity, I don't want anything to happen to which he promised me (I was stupid to believe that, or was I? he's my boyfriend he shouldn't rape me right?)

I kicked him, continuously said no, 'I'm serious please stop', I didn't fully process what was happening I was in shock that someone who loves me would do that to me, In my head I started making excuses 'Surely its a mistake' 'He wouldn't purposely do that right' I refused to believe it, and shock was what kept my mind from breaking.

In the end I gave up and told him after, You forced yourself on me, to which he dismissed so I thought it was all in my head.

Even the pharmacist didn't believe me yet I sat there convincing him in a private room that I wasn't raped because surely my boyfriend wouldn't do that, I've known him since 13, but even the pharmacist could tell as I was shaking, and he really didn't want to let me out of that room.

[Kaytiee]

2/2 It wasn't until a few months after that I recounted everything, the way I kicked, begged him to stop, confronted him after, the text messages he sent to his friend about bragging how the sex was 'forced' and really turned him on, what the friend he bragged to said to me etc.

So no, the third one will never be a valid excuse, If I wanted I could still try to confront him and go to the police but I just want it in the past and to forget about it, also there's not always extensive fighting against rapists like with me I started, I kicked him, pushed him away, begged, tried to keep my underwear up etc, but in the end I couldnt handle it and didn't want to hurt him because 'its a mistake right?', meaning he had no physical wounds, also if jurors went off the 'no physical evidence' claim, then women who have been needle spiked wouldn't be able to report their rapists because in that state they're too numb/even blacked out to fight against their rapist.

[UCrayCray]

Not all rapes are violent. Rape can occur without leaving any bruises or evidence of physical force.
Witnesses? What? Like the need of at least two men to verify her claims? 🤨 I feel like I have heard this before. Isn’t there places in the world like that?
What’s a “reasonable amount of time” before someone can talk about a traumatic experience? Some people can go a lifetime without being able to talk about things that have happen to them. But you tell me what is “reasonable” in your mind?
Your list is lacking.
Severely

[Kaytiee]

@UCrayCray Worded it perfectly, especially because most rapes are committed by people the victims know they go through a very hard emotional, and traumatic time when trying to accept they were raped by someone they knew or trusted.

[UCrayCray]

@Kaytiee
I read your recount above, and that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Women tend to question if they were actually violated, like you did. Make excuses for their rapist, especially if it’s someone they know and trust.
Asking themselves if reporting is worth the trouble. Often times, it isn’t.
Then they have to be prepared for all the nay-sayers. All the people telling her she really wanted it, but changed her mind afterwards to save her reputation. 🙄
Both men and women are responsible for making this issue as difficult as it is. Fake rape reports, and the people who make them and incredibly disgusting to me. They make it really tough for real victims.
There is a special place in hell for rapists, and I’m pretty sure false rape accusers will be right there with them.
Stay strong my dear, and do what’s right for you.
Your healing is all that matters.

[MelvinGeek]

@UCrayCray
Okay, well I'm not above conceding that I got it wrong.

I would hope that since you clearly have more incite on the matter, maybe YOU can tell me how a wrongfully accused man can avoid a conviction... which is what the question is about... Their lives matter too.

Also, at some point, women need to understand that rape being "so traumatic that they don't report it right away," (while understandable), should NOT be something we have to CONSTANTLY tolerate when it comes to litigation. If a woman is raped by someone close to her, whether it be a boyfriend or relative, and she waits MONTHS or YEARS to report it, she making it difficult for herself, for other victims, AND for those wrongly accused of rape. And that needs to change.

[Kaytiee]

What do you mean we shouldn't tolerate trauma victims coming out with things later? Have you ever been in a traumatic situation and made a mental blockade to act like you werent? Obviously not, Get rid of your stupid idea that rape is committed by strangers in back alleys, but by family members, co-workers and friends, which makes it INCREDIBLY Hard to not question and TO come out, when they're in your circle. Stop being a fool, the courts will never think this way as you cannot put a time on trauma.

[UCrayCray]

@MelvinGeek
I’m not sure how men can protect themselves against false accusations. What I do know is, none of the men in my life have ever even been accused of rape, never mind falsely. Maybe I should ask them what the secret is for thwarting those evil females.
You don’t think the trauma women experience when raped, and the mental health issues that arise from that trauma, are worthy of tolerance? Think about what you’re saying. Rape can screw a woman up for life. Render her unable to function in the world. But you can’t tolerate her need to come to terms with it all before she can freely speak about it? I agree that coming forward right away is most definitely the best route to take. But I also understand that it’s not always that easy. You have remember, women are shit on for reporting rape. They have been shit for much longer, and much more severely, then men. Until recently. I don’t deny that false allegations have been known to ruin some men. It’s a pendulum swing. It went from one extreme to another. From not really holding men accountable to holding them all accountable. It’s time for the pendulum to centre and, hopefully, something equitable can remain.
I find it funny, ya know, how when talking about rape, the conversation is always about what the women should/should’t have done. It’s like we have just accepted that men are going to rape, and all the talk is about to protect from it, rather than how to stop it.
It’s kind of sad really.

[MelvinGeek]

I specifically said when it comes to bringing it to court, because by that point it's near hopeless. I am not denying the trauma.

The best you can do is share your experience with other victims in the hopes that they're inspired to do the right thing and REPORT it asap.

Fair enough?

[Kaytiee]

It's not hopeless in court and wouldn't be thrown out, as I have a lot of evidence even today. No one is saying its best to come out later, its best to come out earlier so the rapist can be a convicted sex offender, and so the court case can be handled quicker, however you're acting like people are choosing to make it harder for themselves, like we want to be traumatised.

[ethanallen]

@Kaytiee I once met a woman through online dating. We went out for coffee. At the end of the date, she said " I love sex." I don't usually hook up on the first date so I went out with her a second time.. At the end of the date, we went back to her place and we made out in the living room. She asked me to have sex with her. We went to the bedroom, I got undressed first and then she got undressed in front of me. She had the most incredible fucking body. I threw her on the bed and within a minute, I had my cock inside her. She said "Ethan you're hurting me." At this point, she had made it clear already that she liked sex and she wanted to have sex. She didn't say stop so I said "Shut the fuck up bitch , i'm going to cum inside your tight fucking pussy." She liked hearing that and I cam inside her. She never said anything about it. Women like being controlled and forced during sex because it sexually arouses them

[Kaytiee]

@ethanallen Not all women, I did not enjoy it.

[ethanallen]

@Kaytiee You need to start dating wimpy, weak beta males who will ask permission for everything in bed. I still think you are lying about getting ass raped.

[UCrayCray]

@ethanallen
Being dominated in bed isn’t the same as being raped. The fact that you require to have that pointed out to you is part of the problem. As is your need to ensure that some anonymous women on the internet knows that you don’t believe her.

[marish01]

@UCrayCray yes. It is all about consent not roughness or pleasure.
Girls please answer my original question

[Kaytiee]

@ethanallen What the fuck is wrong with you? Not every woman is the same, I don't like to be treated like that and I'm left with trauma from it with my current boyfriend I find it hard to be rougher during sex because it reminds me of when I was raped at SIXTEEN. You're a disgusting fucking person.

It's not 'wimpy' to treat your girlfriend right, or have different SEXUAL INTERESTS you dont see me bashing you for having a cnc kink, yet you bash ME for wanting less kinky sex. Check yourself

[Kaytiee]

I've already answered your question. Like I said flip anything the other way in my comment, and it will prove a case false.

[ethanallen]

@Kaytiee You don't read what most women post on this site. Women love to get pounded hard. THey love men who dominate. I cannot imagine what kind of boy would put up with you. He would have to ask permission every step of the way. K, can i kiss you. K can i squeeze your breast. K can i unbutton your blouse, K will you show me your tits. K can i suck your tits. K i want to see your pussy. ... What a snooze fest.

[Kaytiee]

@ethanallen I have a boyfriend right now, and no he doesn't ask for permission for everything I don't know where the fuck you got the idea from that just because I dont want to be forced upon, that my boyfriend has to ask me for everything. No its easy to tell when im in the mood, Im usually more hormonal than him, and its easy to tell when Im not, if im in the mood he can do what he likes as long as it's not harmful and beneficial to both our pleasure.

[HelloImGoodThanks]

Take for example amber heard accusing Johnny of raping her, if he done what she said she would have had visible injuries on her and she would have needed to go to the hospital. The fact she had no physical injuries and she did not go to the hospital can determine if a rape claim was false or not. Sometimes someone constantly changing their stories of the events that happened can determine a rape claim to be false. DNA evidence can determine a false rape claim like if the person is saying they were raped and he didn't wear a condom there would be DNA found inside of her if they don't find DNA that tends to be a clear sign she wasn't rape and hadn't even had sex.

[marish01]

Depp was lucky Amber is a horrible liar.

[Vegasrunner]

@maris01 He's fortunate that he has money to defend himself. Most men that are victims of false allegations like that dont have the resources to defend themselves the way Depp did. Hopefully this brings to light more of these kind of situations.

[Kaytiee]

There is lots of evidence to prove rape, like you mentioned date and time, pictures of being with that person at said date and time, and text messages. (My ex bragged about raping me to his friend online.) There is also DNA evidence, if you report rape immediately or in the next 72 hours there's a high chance his DNA will be in you, and a specialist police team will swab you and get that DNA to prove he has been inside you, and then you combine all that with your victim statement.

[marish01]

The main issue is to prove it was non consensual.

[Kaytiee]

Yes, so all these things flipped could prove false accusations.

[marish01]

How? If the sexual contact happened how can they prove it was consensual or non consensual?

[Kaytiee]

They will compare a ton of the things I listed above, including statements from both parties with lawyers.

The victim will have their background checked, as well as the perpetrator's to see if they have any past convictions or cases similar.

It's very easy to prove with cross-examination, the witness gives a detailed statement about what happened, where, and when (usually with proof from GPS, pictures together, or text messages/phone calls.) which means the perpetrator won't lie about being there but instead will lie about details, which when cross-examined will be proven false or true. This works the same for a false accusation, if the victim fucks up on any of those details during a cross-examination, like date and time, then their case slowly declines.

These details include time, how the sex went, who they spoke to on that day, where they were, and a lot more.

[marish01]

Do you believe Dr. Ford? Kavanaugh's accuser

[Kaytiee]

I don't know that case, however, I've answered your questions, rape allegations will be cross-examined much like the johnny Depp vs amber heard case.

[marish01]

I asked because she claimed she didn't remember the crucial details even the year of the supposed rape

[Vegasrunner]

@kaytiee DNA doesn't prove rape it only proves that intercourse took place. Even amongst law enforcement and attorneys Rape is literally considered a he said - she said crime.

[Kaytiee]

@Vegasrunner Are you mentally slow? Obviously combined with other evidence and a cross-examined statement LOL.

[Still-alive]

There is this desperate need by a lot of the incel and mgtow groups on this site to prove that women are habitual liars when it comes to rape. its pretty sickening. these groups are so jaded that they can't get a woman to have sex with or date them that shaming the woman is their answer to that. so people like the dude here and the other dude you're talking to on the other answer here have an agenda.

[Vegasrunner]

@Kaytiee That's a question you may want to ask yourself considering you're only validating my point. Cross examination is literally the he said she said portion of a trial. As for evidence, w/o an eye witness please eloborate on what type of evidence would be needed for someone to prove the absence of committing an accused rape?

[ethanallen]

Because women make false rape claims, I audio record interactions with women using my cell phone and stream it to the cloud. I would never put it on the internet but if a woman claimed i raped her, i will always be able to reach for the tape and play it back in court. Then I would initiate a civil action agains the ex girlfriend or woman. Women have no idea that i record this. I view it as fucking insurance.

[motownplayer2000]

It doesn’t matter. Even with evidence. Court of public opinion convicts him as guilty no matter what. And will stop at nothing to condemn an innocent man. Or at least a man that hasn’t been proven to commit the crime. It really doesn’t matter

[OddBeMe]

Ehh, the research I’ve seen hasn't shown issues with innocent men going to prison for false rape claims.

I have seen ample, ample evidence of police bullying rape victims into dropping charges, and rooms full of untested rape kits.

[TallAnon]

By society or by law? Society often does not care and just looks whether it's at all probable and jumps to conclusions without considering the details. By law it's actually quite hard to prove it's rape.

[anylolone]

Well, the same thing as any claim.

You check it for inconsistencies and incongruence with the evidence.

[Anonymous]

It doesn't really matter to be frank. The goal of a lawsuit isn't for the defendant to "prove" the falsity of the complaintant. That person needs to prove the complaint.

[Anonymous]

If the man pleads not guilty, it should be declared a false claim, and the trial should be closed.

[MAC1983]

I don't know what country you're from, but a man or woman's innocent plea isn't enough to end a case on the spot in any case...

"He says he's not guilty? Well then, we can all go pack up and go home, then."

[HelloImGoodThanks]

What is wrong with you? How many murderers plead not guilty when it has been proven they did murder someone so no a guy pleading not guilty should not be case closed

[Aerissa_Jade]

Right, so lets give all men a license to rape women because all he has to say is Not guilty.

I'm thinking you are a rapist yourself with that logic.

[HelloImGoodThanks]

@Aerissa_Jade he probably comes from a country where they themselves get away with raping people like india and most muslim countries if he can't see how wrong it is

[Deku2009]

There is certain aspects that the woman can tested for that would determine if she was raped

[Subarugirl]

That’s not how it works hon…

[LimitedBenefits101]

A lot of innocent men are STILL

[LimitedBenefits101]

A lot of men are STILL in Prison because of " BELIEVE ALL WOMEN" bs created by the feminist thats why I no longer believe when women say a man did something to them

But finally people are opening their eyes and seeing how feminist isn't women but destroying their own gender.