Canada does not have free speech and I can prove it, thoughts?

[Juxtapose]

"The preamble to the Charter explicitly mentions that this freedom is subject to “reasonable limits.”

There’s also the other part of the Charter where provincial governments can steamroll any freedom they want, provided they publicly announce that they’re doing so.

This is all very different from the US, where you just have the First Amendment.

But in Canada, it means that you can get fined or even go to jail based on something you say. Say something on Twitter that “wilfully promotes hatred” and you could go to jail for two years."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/despite-what-you-may-think-canadians-dont-actually-have-freedom-of-speech/wcm/47d932d8-aa22-44f2-818e-6e2a15b7f2c5/amp/

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Father is jailed for referring to his daughter by female pronouns.

www.google.com/.../

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This comment shows why the "fire in crowded theater" argument is fallacious:

"Actually, the rationalization that you can't shout fire in a crowded theater was fallacious argument and the ruling was later overturned. It's purpose was to justify government brutality against people who were exercising their first amendment rights to peacefully protest U. S. involvement in WWI and the new military draft.

Justice Holmes was attempting to override the first amendment."

[Fuentes]

Of course not lol they froze everyone's bank account for protesting in the streets & told people to starve if they didn't have the vaccine for covid to get food lol Trudeau proved to be the biggest dictator they ever had lol

[Fuentes]

@Juxtapose you should remove Subaru comment since she starts removing everyone else's responses and being a communist when she's wrong.

[Juxtapose]

I'll be the better person and lead by example so I may end the cycle of censorship where I can.

[Fuentes]

@Juxtapose she grew up under a rock ain't no telling with that chick she won't ever learn.

[joeldalton]

Canada is a failed state. It is run by a WEF puppet fascist regime.

[Lliam]

Yup. Justin Castro (Trudeau) was groomed as one of the WEF's Young Global Leaders. He is doing the globalist's bidding.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Problem is, Canadians vote in a bastard who idolizes Castro, and wonder why he redefines what's "reasonable" so that it no longer includes anything that might limit his bid for unlimited power!

The First Amendment doesn't allow for corruption of minors. It DOES, however, allow you to set up booths of literature on public land several hundred feet away from a voting center, to inform the public about the process of voting, or offer the district informative literature about suspicious goings-on in the election process, so they can hold the district accountable if something shady is happening.

Yet, when we don't hang commies, they seize power. And then, they put pedophiles in classrooms that touch kids inappropriately, molesting them outright, and call it "education," and put you in jail for complaining!

But they also raid that perfectly-legal booth, have a deputy assault the lawyer who set it up, jail the lawyer, threaten her children, etc., all because the corrupt commie DA decided to be offended, because that booth might possibly benefit Evil Orange Man's legal case *somehow*! Even though it was a legal distance away, on public land, and therefore, not trespassing!

Of course, the case gets thrown out by a judge who knows the arrest had no merit, but the DA doesn't care. Message sent: Question what Dominion is doing, and we will destroy you!

No different in Canada. Except there, they'll trample you with horses for not conforming with illegal bullshit demanded by communists!

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Lmao, bruh, you been living here and never knew you had to be polite within reasonable limits?

Reasonable limits is a very broad term and you'd be hard pressed to find a way to hit that reasonable limit.

Constantly misgendering your transgender child is not a reasonable limit. That kind of thing can cause the child such great emotional pain that they commit suicide. It's too late to act after the fact, so it's entirely reasonable to fine the adult in that situation. If anything, I'd say it's likely the father was arrested for abuse rather than what he said - it's just his chosen weapon was his words.

If you think the US's First Amendment is preferable, just move there. You'll have a much easier time living in that hellhole and Canada doesn't need people like you.

[Juxtapose]

I am an American actually and lived near Canada but never in it. I am an advocate for free speech and want to arouse awareness concerning free speech not being respected. Canada can so better, that father did nothing wrong and was being legally COMPELLED to respect something he didn't want imposed on his poor child. The mother was brainwashing the child.

[Juxtapose]

Compelled speech is a red flag.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Lol, so you're just a stupid American who doesn't understand cultural differences.

Stay in your lane, American.

[Juxtapose]

I understand that your culture is inferior and you have been conditioned to be a little bitch for your government. How does it feel to be the first modern country in Northern America to engage in compelled speech? How does it feel to have a world economic forum stooge leading your country?

You are so lost you don't even realize it.

[Juxtapose]

And by the way your government is fucking stupid, I know you can only get in when you speak that bastardized version of French so only a few people end up representing you guys.

The REAL French don't like you by the way.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

Well, that's their problem, honestly, just don't go there or any of the Commonwealth nations where just saying "I disagree" can figure into a fine or jail time.

That said, I believe in action and reaction - you can say what you want, and I can reply how I see fit. A journalist called me a "dictator" once, and I replied that I'm not, since I allow two-cents hacks like her to write their bollocks, wasting precious paper and overall making sure more trees would be cut down, worsening global warning so she could keep writing her steaming piles of cow dung.

She sued me for defamation of character.

[Avicenna]

Here's a good example of its lack of free speech:

Free speech, eh? Why is Canada prosecuting Mark Steyn? | CBC News

[NamerOfStars]

And in the US, you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater; free speech is limited everywhere.

You also needn't go so far to prove your point; the fact that Canada had lese-majeste laws on the books for as long as it did (I keep being told they've been revoked or overturned, but I can't be bothered to check) proves it; kind of an odd choice for an ostensibly "independent" country.

[Lliam]

Actually, the rationalization that you can't shout fire in a crowded theater was fallacious argument and the ruling was later overturned. It's purpose was to justify government brutality against people who were exercising their first amendment rights to peacefully protest U. S. involvement in WWI and the new military draft.

Justice Holmes was attempting to override the first amendment.

[NamerOfStars]

@Lliam Okay, then- you can't slander or libel people. Defamation is a limit on free speech, too.

[Lliam]

Defamation is a civil matter in most states. It's definitely not a federal offense.

To establish a defamation claim in California, you must prove four facts:
-That someone made a false statement of purported fact about you:
- That the statement was made (published) to a third party;
- That the person who made the statement did so negligently, recklessly or intentionally; and,
- That as a result of the statement, your reputation was damaged.

So it's a matter of damages. It would be the same if one shouted fire in a crowded theater. There's no law against it, but the events which can transpire as a result of doing so almost certainly will bring serious charges and will earn you quite a few lawsuits.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Every country has this addition where the "freedom is limited under certain conditions".

Eg, the freedom can be taken away when you commit a crime and be sent to jail.

or the police can break into your privacy and look at phone records, financial data,... when they suspect you are involved in criminal activities.

... and so on

Your freedom ends where another ones freedom begins.

[jshm2]

You're confused.

No country has freedom of speech. There is only "freedom of speech, with the law".

If you fuck around with your speech and have no legal or academic basis, then you are punished. It's democratic law in action.

[ArtemisSilver]

You're correct in theory, although I have never heard of it being enforced short of doing things like making bomb threats and things like that.

[ArtemisSilver]

Although that shit does get abused in the UK, like when that guy was jailed for teaching his dog the nazi salute as a tasteless joke.

[bingbongbangbung]

I heard about parents being arrested for refusing to allow their kids to become trannies in Canada

[ArtemisSilver]

I have not heard of any such incidents.

[Juxtapose]

Jordan Peterson was facing compelled speech and he is not the only one.

[ArtemisSilver]

The law he was against never passed.

[Juxtapose]

What about this?

www.google.com/.../

[Juxtapose]

"Canadian man jailed for calling his biologically female child as ‘daughter’"

[ArtemisSilver]

Odd that there's zero local coverage on the case.

[Juxtapose]

Well of course, the media and the deep state are one.

[ArtemisSilver]

Took a ton of digging and apparently the mother is at the heart of the issue and pushing for the hormone therapy.

I'm fairly certain that if both parents were a united front then the court would most likely not have been involved. There's a lot of problematic social trouble all coming together in this case and it's disturbing for sure.

[Juxtapose]

Regardless of the circumstances that is compelled speech and that should be immediate grounds for a violent overthrow of the government. That's a huge stinking red flag along the same lines as waking up with your girl looming over you.. holding a knife to your throat..

[Juxtapose]

Of course the USA has done various things that justify a revolution too, but thankfully not compelled speech.

[ArtemisSilver]

I suspect these issues are going to fall to the wayside fairly soon as the civilization collapses anyways lol

[ArtemisSilver]

The last blurtings of raving mind before the end. Apparently something similar happened when Rome collapsed.

[cth96190]

You are correct. Canada is not a free country.
Justin Castro is a tyrant, a traitor and an enthusiastic useful idiot of the global elite.

[littlepig2002]

While what you mentioned is true about Canada not having freedom of speech (look at a case from their Supreme Court that gave the government the green light to ban pornography from the 1990s), don’t think that the US is better. We’re not and in many ways, we’re actually worse.

[Juxtapose]

The USA is demonstrably better in terms of free speech.

[humanearth]

Don't feel bad, same shit is happening in the USA and all over the world.

The Totalitarian NWO is coming in full force, kiss your ass goodbye if you don't obey

[Jamie05rhs]

Wow- that's pretty bad for the dad to be put in jail for that.
... But it would be even worse if it was her mom. Like, "Bitch, I GAVE you BOTH of those X chromosomes!!"

[Dazed0N0Confused]

I can't yell "fire" in a movie theater & incite a riot! That's a violation of my freedom of speech! 🙄

[Lliam]

Actually, the rationalization that you can't shout fire in a crowded theater was fallacious argument and the ruling was later overturned. It's purpose was to justify government brutality against people who were exercising their first amendment rights to peacefully protest U. S. involvement in WWI and the new military draft.

Justice Holmes was attempting to override the first amendment.

[joeldalton]

It’s so incredibly bizarre that a free people triggers you so much.

[Juxtapose]

@Lliam nailed it!

@Dazed0N0Confused response?

[exitseven]

I heard that both Canada and Austrailia have become more like totalitarian regimes.

[Googlemyahoo]

When you have a fascist dictator in charge that happens

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Does anywhere really have free speech right now?

[Juxtapose]

Yes, demonstrably more than others.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I understand that many places allow free speech more than others, but is there anywhere you can legitimately say what you want and not be punished by society or law?

[Juxtapose]

I say what I want in America and I don't get in trouble 🤷‍♂️

[Subarugirl]

Then I would suggest that you do not willfully promote hatred...

[ObscuredBeyond]

There's a difference though, between actual hate speech, and speech that you hate.

The problem becomes when someone like Andrew Tate speaks out against schools molesting kids and calling it "education," and then gets banned by almost every single social media outlet in the world all at once for doing so.

And then, rather than admit that they're aiding and abetting chomos, the site owners go digging over a decade into his past, and pretend like the real reason is somehow the fact that he made some sketch way back when that was tasteless and degrading to the women involved.

Thing is, his tasteless sketch insulting women was known about for many years. It was only once he stated his opposition to screwls raping kids and calling it "education," once he stated he was anti-chomo, that suddenly, he was persona non grata. If they really gave a damn about his past "misogyny," they would've addressed it back when it was genuinely relevant. Not waited over a decade so they could leverage it as a piss poor defense of themselves silencing him, for the benefit of those who degrade, abuse, and corrupt children!

YouTube's hypocrisy in particular is a gushing stream!

[Subarugirl]

@ObscuredBeyond welcome to the real world and what it feels like to be a woman in today’s society, not so fun when you’re on the receiving end is it?

[Juxtapose]

[Subarugirl]

Or you could just not make hate speach

[Juxtapose]

When unpopular speech is targeted it is only a matter of time until your speech is targeted.

"At first they did not come for me, so I said nothing.."

[Subarugirl]

Do you have an original thoughts or do you only speak in quotes?

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. Spoken like a good Communist political officer.

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin it’s called libertarian honey. Unless you think the government should run private businesses….

[Juxtapose]

You're just saying that cus you have nothing against to oppose me with.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. This is not the "real world", it is the woke feminist stasi.

[Juxtapose]

*nothing to

[ObscuredBeyond]

How is it about me, Subaru? I was talking about Andrew Tate. And if you're going to preach about how women feel, consider minor women as well, who are now having their rights to not be at the mercy of creeps blatantly disregarded by the satanic NWO. Consider that they're not silencing Tate so he "knows how women feel.". They're silencing Tate, so you won't learn the horror stories of what children endure. If you think these creepers are abusive of the kids who comply, you should see what they do to the victims that resist!

Namely: slander the kids and their parents, forge judicial signatures, violate due processes, and have CPS kidnap children whose parents didn't teach them to comply with BS.

Those kids get put into foster homes by the agency's choosing, with the child's wishes often blatantly disregarded.

They face all manner of abuse, and their acting out is met with drugging them, until they're addicts. They seek to escape this system of abuse by running away in desperation, and then get branded as delinquents, haunted like fugitives, and put in juvie until they finally surrender to groupthink, and sell their souls.

I'm far more concerned about seeing that cabal get ground to a fine powder beneath the steamroller of justice, and be no more, than I am with Tate being a crass ruffian with poor film taste.

[Agagagagaga]

Hate speech is an arbitrary designation that changes with administrations. I could just as easily say that a lot of the bullshit you say is hate speech. If I get enough people to agree, you’re suddenly a criminal.

Makes sense.

[Subarugirl]

@ObscuredBeyond doesn’t Taint have multiple domestic violence charges against him, break a girls jaw and have an ongoing investigation for trafficking in Romania?

[ObscuredBeyond]

Then why did they only cancel him when he spoke out against pedophilia in schools? You're not getting off the hook on this one. If he committed actual crimes, let him answer for those through an actual court. Trying to silence him online when he raises an unrelated valid point is disingenuous.

[Subarugirl]

@ObscuredBeyond he was silenced for violent language and hate speech…. Him using the abuse of children to try and back peddle, save face, and redirect his own abusive behavior is pathetic.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Then they would have silenced him a LOT sooner!

[Subarugirl]

@ObscuredBeyond They should have but unfortunately misogyny isn't illegal.

[msc545]

So be it. Not really a big concern here in the US where we are told we have freedoms and we really do not.

[Juxtapose]

We have demonstrable freedoms the rest of the world doesn't have. In the United Kingdom you can have the cops kick down your door over offensive tweets.

[msc545]

Here the cops kick down your door and kill you even though they got the wrong apartment, and lied to get the search warrant.

[Juxtapose]

That's why you strap the pigs with body cams like no tomorrow.

[msc545]

Do you mean the body cams they turn off, forget to wear, or disable? Those body cams?

[Juxtapose]

Well yeah, just like warrants cops are going to ignore those if we let them. It is up to the public to hold public officials accountable and that is true in every country.

[msc545]

I am not sure if you live in the US or not, but here we do not hold cops accountable in the vast majority of cases. They often literally get away with murder.

[Juxtapose]

That is not unique to the United States lol.

[msc545]

No, it is not. Some places are actually a lot worse.

[Chazmatazz269]

The US also has reasonable limitations on “freedom of speech”. That’s beside the fact that the vast majority of people completely misunderstand the context of the first amendment as it applies to law, rights, and responsibilities.

[Juxtapose]

The first amendment should be expanded to further protect free speech actually. I don't think private companies should be able to censor people with the way the internet is these days.

[Chazmatazz269]

I agree that private companies shouldn’t censor customers, but i strongly disagree that it is an issue for the US Constitution. The Constitution is there to protect us from the government, essentially. If you don’t like how a private company treats you, don’t do business with them. If they actually violate your rights as outlined and protected by the Constitution, then file charges or a lawsuit. Every private citizen AND company should have the freedom to function as they see fit, as long as they’re not hurting anyone or taking something away from others.

[jennyjenjen98]

If you read the Charter, you'd know it was freedom of expression, not free speech.

[cth96190]

If you had proper literacy, you would know that speech and expression have the same meaning,
What a dedicated tyrannical Communist you are.

[jennyjenjen98]

@cth96190 They aren't.

[SamIam96]

@cth96190, you may be confused because in the US, our constitution guarantees "free speech". Over the years, our Supreme Court has expanded the definition to include expression. For example, it isn't uncommon for Americans to burn the flag while protesting a policy they oppose. Burning a flag is clearly not speech. But according to our laws, it is protected under our constitution as if it were speech.

Remember it this way: speech refers to words out of a person's mouth or written on paper. Expression is a more general term. For example, I can express displeasure by flipping you the bird. That's expression, not speech.