Do you think History should be politically correct and re-written so it does not offend todays children/ college or University students?

[LadiesFavoriteToy]

We see cancel culture is alive and well and even history text books are being re-written in a way that completely out of touch to what really happened. It's like Communists writing a book on how Putin is god's gift to the earth and how Stalin saved so many lives and political opponents. Why not re-write Famous disney movies to show children being openly gay and doing what they do best with them selves exploring their bodies. I mean I think todays History books need to be more inclusive and have less racism in them and just tell one thing it was all the white people's fault.

[RolandCuthbert]

Wow, that is actually kind of backwards.

I created a thread on Columbus and people were offended about the truth of Columbus' life.

And just like you are whining here. . . some claimed it offends "White" people.

Racism is amazing.

1. Columbus was Italian. He came way before this nonsensical invention called race. So this claim is nonsensical on its face.

2. In this make-believe paradigm, everyone who confronts Columbus over his cruelty has "White" skin too. Maybe you could identify with them instead of Columbus. I mean, why would you rather be associated with the guy who was responsible for rape and genocide than the people who were horrified with his deeds?

3. This is basically the case in every episode in history where there is a great tragedy. Be it the Civil War. . . where more "White" people rose up against slavery than those who supported it. But leave it up to a racist to claim, unearthing the actual history is offensive to "White" people.

4. Even the Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust had German allies. German resistance fighters tried to murder Hitler over a dozen times. There was Oskar Schlinder. And even as the Japanese were guilty of many war crimes, there was Chiune “Sempo” Sugihara, a Japanese diplomat who saved thousands of Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/IyPKaEkp4QM

But we can't go back and study this history not because it is offensive to "White" people, it is because it is offensive to racists.

It is so weird to see people look back at history and find new innovative ways to not learn from it. To be offended not with what was done. . . but with the mythology associated with the folks they idolized being dispelled. When in truth, there are plenty of "White" people who were much more deserving of their praise who are giants when compared these other folks.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7i895e_lco

[jestergent]

Great job!

[Datboi65]

I just think it's funny that you went through all of this, just to bring it back "and just tell one thing it was all the white people's fault". That's where you lost me pal.

If you wanna complain about snowflakes, I'm with you on that, but DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE. I don't believe history should be "inclusive" at all, I think it should be the truth to the letter. However, if you are offended by what white people have done in the past to people of other ethnicities, then you are a hypocrite, because that part is objective and it happened. Truth doesn't care about your feelings.

I can recommend you some books if you are interested, but you probably don't care. My point is, look at the full picture and practice what you preach. Don't be a snowflake. If people talk about the history of Jim Crow, it's nothing personal against you, it's just something that happened. Learn from it what you can rather than complain about that "being all white people's fault".

[Anonymous]

Life is what it is, not a fantasy where everything is beautiful and peaceful. People should be able to find the truth in every book that talks about life and our past. It's not about reading something pleasing that makes you feel good, is about learning what happened and how things are. There's a lot of people that don't like the truth of certain topics, but covering that with glitter won't change the reality of it, we gotta deal with how things were and are, and not cover our eyes every time we don't like something.

[dustybiker]

Offend is not the point. It should simply be documented properly the first time around. There are a lot of school books that come out of TX, for example (most common place for US schoolbooks to originate, ironically) that are heavily, factually, inaccurate.

[Sixgunsound]

Minnesota produces a pretty hefty share of educational materials in this country, as does Illinois. I’m kind of surprised by how little New York and Massachusetts and Maryland contribute to US education. Although perhaps with how little they contribute to positive cultural development I shouldn’t be surprised at how little they contribute to the state of US education.

[user4477388]

Rewriting history or banning books , movies , taking down statues is wrong Hitler did this.
When you don't learn from history history gets related. History is not always fun and nice ! You get both good and bad this is how society grows by learning from the past not hiding it , burning , tearing down , destroying history.
There good people in history who have done bad things and bad people who have done good things.
For example many founding fathers were slave owners this was accepted during that time but as a society , a people , a country , a nation we have evolved beyond that and realize that's it's wrong. And horrible. But now we tare down statues instead of putting a disclaimer next to it staying that society has evolved. So if we keep destroying history how are people going to learn? History is not always comfortable or plesant but it how we grow and become better and learn. History is full of ugly mistakes , and things that are horrible but if we don't learn from the past are we any better? The answer is NO

[FunkyMonkee]

Interesting! Dems have done nothing but scream, cry and whine for the last 7 years about how Trump lied about this and lied about that and you ALL seem to want nothing but the truth (in the meantime, all you bother to LISTEN TO and BELIEVE are LIES!!) but, now, you want to completely change history and make IT a huge pile of lies!! Fucking amazing!!

For as little as the kids of the past 40-some years have paid ANY ATTENTION to history, why bother to teach it to them at all, anymore? Let them become Eloy!! Most younger people on the streets today have no clue who or what most of the most COMMON historical figures and facts even are!!

Where the fuck did you even come up with this screwy idea that history would offend them?

[Soteris]

Taking old fictional stories and rewriting them is a time honored and respected tradition. After all, that is basically what Disney is. There are original stories behind things like the little mermaid, snow white etc.. And they are VEEEEERY different. Old fairy tales that Disney usually base their stories on are tragic and dark which Disney re-writes to be bring and inspirational for kids. It is very ironic that the people who complain about historical revisions like this are in favor of Disney when they do it and ignore places like Texas which is actively re-writing history books for education.

You are a massive hypocrite.

[bolverk]

History should be recorded as is, If students college/university feel offended by how history is then should seriously rethink the courses they are taking or toughen the hell up because once they leave the protected life of college/university they are going to run into real life where the history will be as taught for decades and it will be them who is out of sync with the rest of society.

Take one single subject - Slavery- North American has been taught one narrative, that the 'white man' is exclusively responsible for the slave trade.
Where that could not be farther from the truth, see the video below for more background;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NoWIZv96KU&t=12s

[ShadezMcgee]

No, because this is dangerous on all levels. You erase the truth of what happened and indoctrinate people on false events, it only makes us ignorant of factual events and it doesn't make the problem go away or solve it.

The people who wish to hide the truth are the dangerous ones.

[DermalPunch]

Half of it ain't even true to begin with

[purplepoppy]

History should be correct and without bias. Rather than say something was white peoples fault we should be naming the people and organisations involved in historical events.
However if an event did affect a group in a major way we shouldn't hide that fact, Nazis sent Jews to concentration camps, black Africans were sold as slaves. Let's not whitewash over things.

[Rei02]

It would be like in Orwell's novel 1984, where they alter the truth. Although history has always been modified because like they say "History is written by victors".

It would be great to know the whole true, but many part of the evidence or was destructed or it is pretty buried, and even if we get it out, there are things which can be misinterpreted.

[humanearth]

Your so right

[DubiousIntentions]

Sure, let's tell the little twits that the holocaust never happened or that dictators don't exist and that we all live in harmony.

[Qdbrown]

There are those, often woke, people who believe that we need to make history speak for all races, in these times so everyone feels somesort of connection.

There is idea that white people have a monopoly on history. That everything is white-washed. That whites own it all.

Its dumb. Just add perspectives. You don't have to get to re-writes.

[TheoPfeifle]

History is supposed to be raw and offensive... If you don't like it, don't repeat it. If we water things down, the raw and offensive stuff gets left out. If we don't teach the mistakes, it's going to happen again... Right about the time some misguided soul thinks something that's already been tried (but they don't know that, because it wasn't taught) is a good idea.

[blissinanarchy1]

Politically correct and non offensive is the same thing man. But no, American history is taught in a way to paint America as a land of heroes who did no wrong. When white people killed the natives when they slept, it was a great victory. When the natives did it to us, it was a massacre. We’re taught that the stealing and murdering we did was in the ultimate good.

[SeriouslyFunny00]

It is unethical to change history. There won't be any "real" history if we're just going to consider the feelings of the students. History may be the harsh truth, but it will always be preferable than a comforting lie.

[Anonymous]

I don't think anything about history should be re-written to not offend anyone. We can't change what happened and that's what history is for, to learn from mistakes in the past. Just because something that happened is now considered offensive we should know that things were different back then and we got to be mature enough to learn instead of getting offended about everything.

[DermalPunch]

No, I should be an account of what actually happened because much of history taught I schools is a lie.

[dustybiker]

Exactly

[Subarugirl]

Is it a lie or do you just not like the history they are teaching? There is a big difference.

Since you claim it is a lie, what specifically are they lying about?

[DermalPunch]

@Subarugirl ok I can give you an example. In Canada, it is still actively taught that Canada had no slavery. This is an outright lie. And they still teach it. Also, it is known that history is written by the winners. Another example: Americans teach that they won the war of 1812 while in Canada they teach that Canada won it.

Also, how often does it happen that 30 years later things get "declassified" and the official story was a total lie.

I learned this in school butnI can't cite the exact thing. Some historian did a thing about Egypt and he described them with non white features. Some companies y sponsored further research and suddenly he rewrote the Egyptians as being more European. Most history taught in schools is fraught with manipulations and corruption like this.

[caring__1]

The powers that be write the history. That doesn't mean it is accurate. Here's a book that addresses some of the misinformation that has been passed on from generation to generation: www.goodreads.com/.../296662.Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me

Wars are often not accurately explained, and the truth often isn't disseminated when revealed. The Spanish American War was based on an accusation that Spain had sunk the Maine in Havana Harbor. Actually, the Maine sunk as a result of an explosion inside the Maine. The coal spontaneously combusted, setting off the munitions stored in the next room over. Every year, Japan plays the victim when commemorating the dropping of the first nuclear weapons, yet they never acknowledge the atrocities they committed that led to the dropping of the bombs.

[Petedavidsonfan]

You can’t change history, what’s happened happened, if you try to erase that you’re doomed to repeat it.

[Fireguy17]

If you rewrite it, then it isn't history.

It's just a made up story.

You learn from others mistakes that they made and correct those mistakes.

Otherwise you are doomed to repeat them.

[andreasderjuengere]

History facts have been adjusted throughout... 'history'.

Who would care about one other 'adjustment'.

Lies will be discovered anyway. Some soon, and some late.

[Subarugirl]

You can't change history... if you dont like it then you can take steps to make a better one.

[humanearth]

You can't change it, but history repeats itself.

[Astarlessnightsky]

If history doesn't "offend" you, you are reading the wrong books.

[KostasKouvalis]

That would be best, yes. It's important we keep the Brownies and Alphabet people happy

[peedy]

Don't change a thing tell it the way it was and don't spare anymores feelings
Otherwise the lessons we learned will be lost,
Learn more from our mistakes and failures
True history must not be forgotten or we will repeat it

[sage2021]

You cannot rewrite history, and you can't change it.

Afterall, it us HIS STORY!

[BeMuse]

If you look at older history books you will learn that history is always being manipulated... It shouldn't be, but it is...

[Sixgunsound]

@BeMuse the victors write the history books

[BeMuse]

@Sixgunsound and then it's gradually changed in publishing companies via infiltration by the loser over decades until people forget the true story...

[Sixgunsound]

@BeMuse look up the story of the US publishing Company Houghton Mifflin and how they fought for decades for the rights to continue publishing Hitler’s book, even after he lost the war. Eventually they caved to immense pressure and donated the funds to Holocaust survivors and a memorial efforts, but they were at some points spending more on legal fees than they were making from the book. It almost begs the question why was this US publishing company which publishes a fairly large chunk of materials used in the US public schools, so desperate to keep Hitler’s book alive?

[BeMuse]

@Sixgunsound I'll take a quick look and see if anything interesting stands out...

[BeMuse]

A quick look into Houghton Mifflin and their lawsuits in relation to Mein Kampf shows they acquired rights to the first abridged English translated version of the book. Distributions rights were for the UK and USA. This version of Mein Kampf was translated and abridged by Edgar Trevelyan Stratford Dugdale who was encouraged to translate Mein Kampf into English by his wife. This version of Mein Kampf was published in 1933. Edgar was married to a predominate Zionist Blanche Elizabeth Campbell "Baffy" Dugdale who was the niece of Arthur Balfour. Arthur Balfour is obviously famous for his role in the Balfour Declaration which was publicly issued by Briton in 1917 during WWI announcing support for the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. The declaration was addressed to Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild at the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. Arthur Balfour was also an inner circle member of the secrete society The Round Table who was funded by Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild.

[BeMuse]

Additionally "Baffy" Dugdale worked in the Naval Intelligence Department Associated with the League of Nations Union. This is interesting because Houghton Mifflin under the leadership of their Anglophilic editor-in-chief Ferris Greenslet produced war books between 1914 and 1918 as part of the war effort by working with Wellington House the propaganda division of the British Foreign Office and again in WWII leading up to Operation Overlord. Greenslet admitted in 1943 that, “The chief aim was to try to help educate America to a full knowledge of the evil ambitions that were loose in the world, even if in the end it should lead us to join in fighting them”. So clearly Houghton Mifflin has a strong history of producing propaganda to be used on the American public, for the purpose of agitating war in Europe in favor of positions held by the UK (City of London) who is strongly influenced by the Rothschild family. Thus it was in the interest of the Rothschild family to control the translation, abridgment, and potential annotations of Mein Kampf that would be distributed in the USA so as to control the narrative surrounding Adolf Hitler. This make sense being that the Jewish community was lobbying the government to get into WWII. A holy war was basically declared by Samuel Untermyer who was a delegate of the Democratic National Convention at the time and head of the Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League which has strong ties to Louis Rothschild and the Rothschild Money Trust. One big spiderweb of Rothschild agents...

[BeMuse]

The majority of Americans at the time opposed any involvement in foreign wars. There was even an “America First” Committee which was the largest anti-war organization in the history of the USA which the Kennedy’s and many other prominent Americans were associated with. They were of course politically smeared as fascists and anti-semetic being that they opposed the goals of the Rothschild family. Communists infiltrated their organization to make them look bad, just as ANTIFA LARPS today in Trump clothes in events like Jan 6th to try to politically smear Trump’s America First movement. Same old games, same old families…

[Sixgunsound]

@BeMuse Interesting stuff isn’t it. And somehow none of this will ever be taught in government to Dr. nation mills. Library media is the only thing I could in good conscience teach in a western nation.

[Sixgunsound]

Taught in government indoctrination mills

[BeMuse]

@Sixgunsound That’s the major problem... Much of the education system focuses on knowledge retention and regurgitation for standardized testing rather than questioning ideas and debating their validity. Smart people can go through the system doing well enough on tests and still learn how to think on their own, but average or below average people will just try to pass the test for a pat on the head and to move on. Everything should always be approached with skepticism and critical thinking should be applied after approaching an idea from many different angles using many different sources and then the pieces should be put together how they most logically fit together.

[Sixgunsound]

@BeMuse George Carlin had a great bit called dumb Americans, where he discussed the state of the US education system, and how the elites do not benefit from educated peasants capable of thinking about how hard they are getting screwed

[sage2021]

@Sixgunsound I am a big fan of Georgia Carlin 😂. I had all of his vinyl albums. I also saw him perform in person at around 1971. I still remember some of his stuff Like the Hippy Dippy Weather Man. If you don't like the weather - MOVE!😂

[Sixgunsound]

https://youtu.be/KLODGhEyLvk

[BeMuse]

@Sixgunsound It’s not just happening in America… People love to talk about America because we’re the top dogs… This sort of subterfuge happens all over the world by many different organizations. Any philanthropist that comes in the name of diplomacy and offers anything is carrying out espionage. They are spies. The Rothschilds, George Soros, The Clintons, The Gates, The CCP, The DoD, and so many others are all famous for this sort of action. For example Soros’ Open Society Foundation funds school reforms/education in Ukraine. The CCP’s Confucius Institute operates in dozens of countries around the world. If something is free, you are the product… Influence peddlers are everywhere. They work for the benefit of their organization regardless of if they have a nation or not. They build prestige for their organization, they infiltrate systems of governance to get close to power brokers so that decisions favor their organization, they form alliances that strength them, they undermined their enemies, etc. To think we are just a bunch of dumb Americans is very short sighted. This is a global information war happening at all times.

[Berethor]

The left is trying to do that, we should not be allowing them to do that.

[jongreat46]

You mean like how the Nazis were inspired by the United States to build concentration camps. They were inspired by the United States genocide of native Americans and I don't care if my answers offend you right wing troll's.

[Msputiton]

It be nice if they just stop hiding the parts that make America look bad and tell the trutn

[Sixgunsound]

It gets talked about at the university level, but since such a small percentage of the population goes to university, I can see why you would be more concerned that it be taught at the K 12 level. The answer has a lot to do with funding sources and how much it would embarrass current office holders and their future campaigns. On both sides of the aisle.

[Sixgunsound]

For example, Kennedy and Johnson both shot down the civil rights act in the 1950s to stop Eisenhower from getting credit for it, when they were in office all of a sudden it was a priority. Somehow this never gets talked about though. Mitch McConnell is married to a Chinese agent who uses his position to steer US policy towards China’s best interests. But yet somehow this never gets talked about either.

[Sixgunsound]

Fox likes to talk shit about Fang Fang, why do I hear crickets about Mrs. McConnel?

[Msputiton]

@Sixgunsound I'm just so shocked by how many people who are grown and graduated have very little clue about true American history.

[Sixgunsound]

Most Americans don’t actually have to learn it. There is no test for citizenship for people who are born here, so people can just get socially promoted and not be able to read right count or do research, and they still get to graduate. There aren’t enough consequences for failure to learn anything in school. Arguably, it is economically advantageous not to.

[exitseven]

Creating a fiction about history doesn't change a thing

[Sixgunsound]

They tried that in the Soviet union, and it did not work out the way they anticipated.

[Anonymous]

I would say since a black actress is now playing the little mermaid there is no need to do anything else. The world is officially perfect and inclusive and teaches the correct values.

[Dargil]

Do you think history should re-written to delete the Holocaust?, slavery and the Trail of Tears?

[humanearth]

If they do and they do that

Its called censorship

[Avatar74]

Absolutely not under no circumstances, History is sometimes Bad, History sometimes is Good thats how it is accept it!

[Snakeyes7]

Absolutely, nothing good can come from rewriting of history.

[hafinjun]

Not if you want to continue using the phrase those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

Republicans want it rewritten that they didn't lose the civil war. When in fact, they did. They can't handle being LOSERS

LIKE TRUMP

[Fuentes]

Abraham Lincoln was a republican go back to school you ignorant human.

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@Fuentes Abraham lincoln was a GOOD republican

the party switched sides, after 1964, when johnson signed the civil rights bill
YOU IGNORANT FUCKTARD

[Fuentes]

No you sponge for brain human reject the racist were always democrats and were always were they never switched. You're just blind

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@Fuentes No, you idiot, it was ALWAYS repubicans, you fucking idiotic douchebag

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

republicans*/republicucks (since they love to see people GET SCREWED)

[Fuentes]

So can you tell me what Party Dwight D Eisenhowet was, the first person to start on the Civil rights bill & deploy Martial law to help protect black children while their in school? Cause after Ike's time as President it was passed onto JFK and what did he do? Nothing but pussy foot around until he passed and then Johnson had to sign it but why did it take Democrats so long to pass the last frw bills of civil rights after they promised it when they were voted in? But when it was Eisenhower he signed it quick? Lol

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@Fuentes Eisenhower was a republican goofball, who dropped the atomic bomb on japan. that never needed to be dropped

he's A FUCKING IDDIOT

THE PARTIES SWITCHED SIDES WHEN JOHNSON SIGNED THE BILL

REPUBCLIANS ARE THE RACISTS, THEYVE ALWAYS BEEN

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@Fuentes Why can't people get it in their fucking heads that republicans, ARE FUCKING RACIST

[Fuentes]

You need to go back to school buddy you're severely ignorant

It was President Truman who dropped the nuke & he was a democrat..

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA!!!

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@Fuentes It was eisenhower you dummy

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@Fuentes Even if it was truman, they would have been pre 1964 dem and republicans

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PARTY OF RACISTS, GET OVER IT

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

I'm done trying to teach you a lesson bozo

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@asker, have you ever noticed that the biggest idiots on this site, tend to comment on my opinions, because they know im right, and can't stand it

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

Heck, even licoln himself, likely, had slaves, and he never actually wanted to get rid of slavery. He wanted the country to stay together more than end slavery. He believed that a unified country was more powerful than a divided one, no matter the cost

It was only later that he had signed the EP, south carolina and the south, had already split from the nation

HE WAS A REPUBLICAN

REPUBLICANS, ARE FUCKING, RACISTS

[art84]

Why change the past when we can learn from the history of the past.

[Twalli]

History needs to stay untainted. How can we ever hope to learn for history if we don't know it.

[Dee_smooth22]

History? You mean the accurate story of the past? Why would you do that?

[maximumpower]

No.
It should be truthful.
If someone is offended, then that's too bad.

[TroyDT]

Absolutely not. It should be reported with all its warts.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No, that's ridiculous. Political correctness can go right in the toilet. Hate that ish.

[Fuentes]

Nope history is history go cry in a corner if it offends you

[Fuentes]

@MiseriaCantareAFI blocked me but someone should educate him it was Truman who droppdd the Atomic bomb & Truman was a Democrat lol

[jimmy2]

Hell no history is a way not to do it again show me one person was was a slave today it not the way to do it because no one will letan history

[Anonymous]

Things like " columbus" discovered America should be changed

[watercolor_lions]

Yes. But we'll never do it.

[Anonymous]

I took STEM courses in college so I really don't care!

[wallflower_fantasy]

If it’s true then history is history.

[Staximus]

Fuck those snowflakes

[Dinosaursandanime65]

That’s some petty Torosaurus sh*t, respectfully

[more_than_a_guy]

Oh hell no! Teach them lies instead?

[littlemisslolita]

NO! 🤬.