8% of voters make abortion their main issue. I'm just saying I don't think she's picking a winning issue to harp on about. People are trying to buy food and gas... there are just not enough people walking around wondering where to get their abortion done right now. She sounds like a left-wing Alex Jones to my ass.
This is the left right now though... still talking about January 6th like the average normie gives a shit. I'm sure some do... especially the ones that find the time to watch CNN and MSNBC all day... but, find one in the streets or that have a job.
Hold on, looking her up... Georgia... now I'm looking up the abortion policies there..."Georgia limits abortions after 20 weeks post fertilization (22 weeks since last menstrual period). The majority of the women affected by the ban are already members vulnerable populations." -Google ... don't knock me for how they form a sentence... I copy and pasted. <--see, this is why people don't give a shit... it's legal already so STFU. I'm assuming a normal woman can figure out if she's going to vacuum out a baby after having it chopped up or not after 20 to 22 weeks.
I did all that 'hard' internet work just to point out that were the politicians go off on that issue... it's usually already legal af there. Just saying. I don't really give a fuck and hope everybody else starts murdering their kids so that my kids don't have to deal with theirs. Again though... I don't think most women are walking around stressing over where to kill their baby. She should talk about gas or the price of food. That's the shit that's gut-punching us all right now.
Okay, that must be one of the stupidest anti-science thing she's ever said. Manufactured?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/when-does-a-fetus-have-a-heartbeat#detection-tools
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/fetal-heart-monitoring
A foetus doesn't have a heart at that age so it can not beat. What you're detecting are a couple of pacemaker cells fluttering.
It's a good example of how people push misinformation for political agendas.
She's right the fetus doesn't get a heart at all until 7 weeks, and it's not until 17-20 weeks when it finally starts beating.
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u She is an idiot of the most exalted order.
File this under "Everything you know is wrong", kiddies, because the AUTHORITY on this subject is ACOG, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists say, and here's what they have to say on the subject:
Guide to Language and Abortion
"It is clinically inaccurate to use the word “heartbeat” to describe the sound that can be heard on ultrasound in very early pregnancy. In fact, there are no chambers of the heart developed at the early stage in pregnancy that this word is used to describe, so there is no recognizable “heartbeat.” What pregnant people may hear is the ultrasound machine translating electronic impulses that signify fetal cardiac activity into the sound that we recognize as a heartbeat.
Of course, there are doctors who disagree with this, so have at it. It's one of those things you can use to fit your particular "belief".
Don’t matter if it has a heart beat or not if it has no conscience awareness it’s not Alive it’s dead in the process of Becoming alive hence the heartbeat if there is one but if something don’t have a Heartbeat it’s dead so the fetus isn’t actually alive just in the process of Attaining life which is why it grows a heart but until it’s Completed the process like how a monk completes its Purpose attaining Enlightenment the fetus ain’t alive until it’s out of being a fetus and in baby form in a hospital bed.
That’s why it’s moral and okay to Kill it while it’s still a fetus because it’s a fetus pretty much a demonic creature growing inside if you wanna take it That way demons Aren’t alive but they are but the difference between a demon and a Fetus is a demon is real and isn’t dead just a little comparison. You ever seen that great horror movie about the lady that has a baby and it turns out the baby is a Demonic baby and nobody believes the mother?
You know, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for being in favor of abortion, just like there are perfectly legitimate reasons for opposing it. But if I had my way, everyone who pulls this "men just want to control women's bodies" nonsense would be locked in SS headquarters for a week. Let them see what having your body controlled actually MEANS.
It's funny in a way, but that old Feminist saying is perfectly true- "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression".
Source of the quote?
Please don't ask a question like that in which you quote someone but you don't have a source of the quote.
If the quote is incorrect, then that could be construed as libel.
You don't want legal problems, do you?
So, please update the question with a legitimate source of the quote, then we can all happily answer.
Up yours moron
No need for calling me a moron. Only a moron would think that I was moron.
I asked for a source of your quote.
In the real world - something you apparently have little knowledge of - you need to back up what you assert with sources and evidence.
Now, I want to be clear.
I am NOT saying that the quote alleged from Stacey Abrams was false.
I just wanted to see your source so I can 1) determine that the quote is real and 2) determine the context of the quote.
Anyway, thanks for providing a source which all I asked.
But I want to be clear - in the real world, you have to be careful about making false statements that harm another's reputation. Politicians may, for whatever reason, tolerate it from each other, but real people do not. For example, the voting machine company, Dominion Voting Systems, sued MyPillow guy Mike Lindell for defamation because of his assertions that their machines contributed to the stolen election.
So, I want to be clear: I wasn't trying to bust your balls, but your question presented a teachable moment to avoid future problems.
OK, now, to your original question now that the quote is verified...
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First, since, The Independent is behind a paywall, I will go straight to a video source of her making that statement along with providing context. This YouTube video comes from The Hill, the non-partisan DC news source that covers the Federal Government and politics.
https://thehill.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6rFDxnscr8
Well, I don't know much about gestation timelines, so let's find out:
New York Presbyterian Hospital does a very good job.
www.nyp.org/.../timeline#Week%206
Week 6
You may be preparing for your first prenatal visit. Be sure to keep track of your symptoms and any questions you have for your doctor.
Your body: While you won’t have a baby bump yet, you may experience bloating and other symptoms, including cravings for foods you’ve never wanted before.
6-week pregnancy symptoms:
Bloating and gas
Fatigue
Morning sickness/nausea
Cramping/spotting
Mood swings
Sore breasts
Frequent urination
Your baby’s heart has started to beat. The baby’s body resembles a tadpole with tiny eyes and eyelids.
Baby’s size: Your baby has doubled in size since last week from an apple seed to a sweet pea.
7-week pregnancy symptoms:
Bloating and gas
Heartburn
Acne
Fatigue
Morning sickness/nausea
Extra saliva
Cramping/spotting
Mood swings
Darkened areola
Increased breast size
Sore breasts
Frequent urination
Your baby: In addition to forming all the essential organs — heart, lungs, liver, intestines — small, paddle-shaped clusters are developing at the end of your baby’s arms and legs. These will eventually become feet and hands.
Baby’s size: As big as a blueberry
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So, what do I think of her quote?
As to the "6 weeks", the gestation timeline excerpt about provides evidence that that's about right for the onset of a heartbeat. 7 weeks is a better milestone. So, this from her "There is no such thing as a heartbeat at six weeks" I will say is more-or-less false. That's not what is important though.
As to her ", it is a manufactured sound designed to convince people", well, it's not manufactured.
What is happening is that anti-abortion conservatives are trying to come up with a legitimate scientific benchmark that makes the fetus "real", in a sense, and not some inconvenient abstraction.
The 6-week milestone is a good way to earn sympathy from voters on the fence regarding abortion.
As to her "men have the right to take control of a woman’s body away from her.”, that's just standard militant feminist bullshit because that assumes that no women are against abortion which is clearly false. My wife used to be anti-abortion, but I believe that she changed to pro-choice but she never blamed men.
Now, I am a liberal - well, more "center-left independent moderate" - and feminist, but some of this coming from the far left isn't doing them anything good. The militant feminists are to conservatives what MAGAsters are to liberals.
I expect that Stacey will lose her election. Really, the Democratic Party/Establishment is their own worst enemy. They are incompetent at getting elected unless the GOP is clearly evil.
Her comment is designed to convince people that women should have the legal right to kill a child simply because it lives in her body. It's like saying the owner of an empty building should have the legal right to kill someone because they are squatting there.
The feminist argument for abortion is a lie. They use the term "bodily autonomy" to justify a mother killing her own child because she doesn't want it to get in the way of her life plans or financial situation. But of course they can't say that even though it's an indisputable fact.
Can you imagine the hate a men's movement would get if they claimed men should have the right to kill their own child because it would get in the way of their life life plans or financial situation? Can you imagine how incredibly selfish they would appear?
@UCrayCray It's exactly the same principle. It's using domain ownership to justify killing another human.
It’s not even close to being the same. A building isn’t a person body. The squatter isn’t physically attached to the building owner. Nobody is living off the owners body, taking the their vitamins and nutrients, and generally being a risk to their health and wellbeing. Pregnancy and Childbirth does all those things.
So it’s absolutely absurd to compare the two.
But one thing you seem to forget is, property owners have the right to evict squatters. They can have then removed.
It appears that, if some people get their own way, property owners will have more rights over their properties than women will have over their own bodies.
Nice huh?
@UCrayCray A person has a right to life, even when they squat in a building they don't own, or were conceived in the body of a person who doesn't want them. It's exactly the same principle, regardless of how many baseless excuses you subhuman mothers try to come up with for KILLING YOUR OWN CHILD.
“A person has the right to life.” True. But they don’t have the right to physically live off the body of another in order to sustain that life. At no time do we demand people give up their bodily autonomy. Well, except some people who demand it of pregnant women, and only pregnant women, of course.
I noticed how easily you dismissed the idea that women should have bodily autonomy in your first post, but it doesn’t change the fact that you and I should have the same rights to our bodies.
The fact that you believe a building owner has more rights to the building than a women has over her own body would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so pathetically sad.
And you about others being subhuman?
LMAO…. okay.
@UCrayCray The only thing pathetically sad about all of this is you trying to justify a mother killing her own child.
Are you sure? Treating half the human population like they are brood mares isn’t pathetically sad in your world?
Willingly giving up bodily autonomy of OTHER PEOPLE isn’t pathetically sad in your world?
Why do you believe that a newly fertilized egg should have more rights than any other already born person?
@UCrayCray Oh yeah, I'm sure. Think about what you're saying here... you are justifying a mother KILLING HER OWN CHILD. Can you think of anything more disgusting than that? I can't.
And let's be real, "bodily autonomy" has nothing to do with the vast majority of abortions. Study after study shows the reasons mothers choose to abort in 94% of cases are things like not wanting a child to get in the way of their career or education plans, not being as financially stable as they would like, not being in a stable relationship with the father... nothing to do with "bodily autonomy".
Here's the usual thought process..."oops, I got pregnant and it's not really a convenient time for me to have a child, so I think I'll just kill my child".
The fact that so many women defend this behavior says some really horrible things about today's women.
Bodily autonomy means making choices for your own body. Regardless of why she’s having an abortion, it’s bodily autonomy that dictates she should be allowed to make that choice for her body because…. wait for it…. it’s her body. So, bodily autonomy isn’t the reason for abortion, but the reason it should be allowed.
You can use whatever emotional argument that works best for you. You want to write off all abortions as evil women killing their children, that’s fine. It doesn’t work to sway me. I have been through pregnancy and childbirth more than once, so I speak from a position of experience. I know all that it is, and what it takes, and what it does to a persons body. As a result, I fully support a woman making the choice to go through it or not. That’s probably the reason why so many women defend it. Because they know it’s nothing like evicting a squatter from a building. In fact, it’s a hell of a lot more then that, but I don’t think any of that is a consideration to you. Why would it be? It’s not like you’ll ever be expected to do it.
You still didn’t explain why you think newly fertilized eggs should have more rights than anybody else? I wouldn’t mind understanding why you believe that to be true.
@UCrayCray I didn't read past your first two sentences because you are clearly still using the feminist talking point of "bodily autonomy" to justify a mother killing her own child when that's not the reason most do it.
It's about life autonomy. It's about having control of her future. Nothing to do with her body and everything to do with whether she can live her life the way she wants without the inconvenience of caring for her child. So she just kills it.
Disgusting.
Of course you didn’t read it all.
You have no interest in pregnancy, childbirth, or even the welfare of those you would force your brand of morals on.
You are only interested in ensuring women (and only women) pay for the choices they make in the way YOU decide is acceptable.
That, and your constant appeal to emotions, makes you easily dismissed.
Buh-bye
@UCrayCray I'm interested in all those things, but unlike you, I'm also interested in defending the lives of defenseless unborn children. The saddest part of this is that we are defending them from
... defending them from THEIR OWN MOTHERS.
"The heart is a muscular organ in most animals. This organ pumps blood through the blood vessels of the circulatory system. The pumped blood carries oxygen and nutrients to the body, while carrying metabolic waste such as carbon dioxide to the lungs."
A few cells pulsing but not pumping blood do not make a heart. A heart does not make a person. Using that metric to take a woman's right to choose whether to have a baby or not is wrong.
“Medically speaking, when I put a stethoscope against a patient’s heart, that ‘lub dub’ sound is made by the opening and closing of the cardiac valve. At six weeks, those valves don’t exist.
“It’s an electrical pulse that’s translated into the sound we’re hearing from the ultrasound machine.”
ignorant or blatant liar.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/when-does-a-fetus-have-a-heartbeat#timeline
I am pro-choice, but disagree with this ugly abomination of a 'person.' Mainly for the second half of that quote. This abortion sh*t is so idiotic, on both sides,
It’s manufactured so the doctors can take your money by doing a fake diagnosis. It’s really embarrassing when they do the sonogram and the woman is obviously not pregnant but they have the heartbeat sound going anyway. It’s the same people that made the fake engine sound on the Prius.
Abortion should be illegal in all cases.
"... you have killed my children..."
Ezekiel 16:21
... He who has no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
Anyone who supports abortion has the blood of unborn babies on their hands.
Lamentations 2:19
Arise, cry out in the night: at the beginning of the watches pour out your heart like water before the face of the Lord: raise your hands to him for the life of your children
Jeremiah 9:1
Oh, if my head were to water, and my eyes fountains of tears, to cry day and night for the dead of the daughter of my people!
I’m content to let her and anybody who thinks like or agrees with her keep making statements of his nature on public record to store up for the next time she seeks elected office.
I think that she loves infanticide and is trying to justify abortion. . It will go down as one of the greatest evils the world has ever known.
Here she is when she was younger...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lra5HkHKAGQ
You need to prove that Stacey Abrams said that.
It is also literally on video her saying that 🤡
I'm not sure how people are actually falling for this crap. That being said, we need to be careful, usually when a politician says something this absurd there is something really disturbing happening in the background.
Ms Abrams should leave medicine to the doctors
What'd you expect from a Cabbage Patch doll?
That's a pitiful way to Say men wanting to take away women's rights for abortion.
I'm not a biologist nor a medic so i can't know about heartbeats at 6 weeks.
@goaded I mean yeah, information is freely accessible thanks to the internet. However I find, that the internet is 80% populated with misinformation, so i have high skepticism. Just look at the popular propaganda of "your brain on porn" thingy. Pff.
The first part scientifically is true the rest I'd from a liberal who want to eat babies, better than birthing the for her establishment to molest and murder like pawns in a few of chess
I think she expressed herself poorly but the fact is a fetus doesn't have a heart at 6 weeks.
I would advice her to check things first so not to talk bullshit
I’ll never understand why Democrats have such a raging boner to kill children.
Ah Anon.. and not just any anon. But an Anon who is 18-24. Tell me something - why do you hide and you afraid of posting something. What are you afraid of and what are you scared of.
In order for that to be true doctors and nurses would have to be in on the scam. And considering there are plenty who are in favor of abortion. I find this hard to swallow.
She’s right in that we can’t hear it. We’re hearing the mother’s heartbeat.
i'm a dumb-o-crat so I must believe anything that bat shit crazy mother humper says.
i'm pro-choice and that sounds ridiculous
Abrams is delusional.
Why do the dems support these lunatics?
She’s so stupid she needs to be institutionalized
I hope she gets stomped in the election.
A crazy woman
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