I know nikolas cruz killed 17 of those little kids, but what I don't understand is what is subjecting him to being gay raped or living in constant violent anxiety for life going to do for the world? In Norway and Sweden they design prisons to be purely for rehabilitation purposes even for killers and rapists. I watched the statements of the victims of cruz's rampage and I am disgusted with the amount of punitive and rage they expressed wanting to put this kid through hell, I swear people in Florida are among the most barbaric violent people in the country.
I guarantee you if cruz was treated like anders bearing brievik and rehabilited and shown love he might be of use to our society.
Why are Americans so bloodthirsty about wanting to give nikolas cruz the worst suffering possible?
And I state this on evolutionary grounds, not emotional.
He is defective.
His continued existence:
1. Provides for the possibility, however remote, of spreading his defective genes into the gene pool.
2. Provides for the possibility of his defective mind spreading defective evil thoughts to others who may become free.
3. He consumes resources that are better spent on keeping non-defective humans alive. Wouldn't our tax dollars be better spent providing meals to indigent school children than providing meals for the defective killer of school children?
4. His brain, once separated from his body, can be studied by medical scientists and perhaps provide insight as to how defectives like him can exist and so we can predict them.
5. He should be executed on live television to send a message what happens to you when you commit a heinous crime against innocent victims.
Show him mercy? That's what God is for. Let Him decide whether or not to do that. We should stop wasting everyone's time and send this killer to God ASAP.
Rehabilitation? I won't say that's horseshit, but, the bottom line is that you can't rehabilitate his genes and his genes enabled him to become a mass killer of innocent children. Those genes and the defective mind they gave rise to need to be permanently removed from the gene pool ASAP.
Hate to break it to you, but people like this very rarely succeed in rehabilitation efforts. Norway and Sweden have their methods and should shut the fuck up about how it is handled in other countries.
Bottom line, this kid knowingly committed a crime of mass murder and could have been stopped had the FBI done their job when tipped off about him to begin with. Why rehabilitate a kid who snuffed the life of 17 others and give him a second chance? Let him rot.
I don't blame the parents that lost kids to this guy wanting the worst to happen to him. Keeping him alive at the American taxpayers dollar is a slap in the face to them specifically. He gets to live a full life in prison while their kids can't get theirs back and live theirs? No.
I don't know... Even though he killed all those people, the death penalty is murder. I cannot support murder being committed by the state, and was relieved to find out he's getting life in prison because an eye for an eye makes the world go blind
Why would any sane person ever suggest releasing this person and allowing them to move about freely? He knew he was doing something horribly, horribly wrong and that didn't matter. You can't rehabilitate a lack of conscience.
It blows my mind that while there are people out there that consider abortion murder there are people like you that want to help a mass murderer.
You really want to hold his hand and be a shoulder to cry on?
That's 17 people who never got to live their lives, that's 17-32 parents who's life's will never be the same again, potentially 32-64 heartbroken grandparents, who knows how many traumatized siblings and friends of the victims.
Oh yeah, looked him up cause I don't keep track of psycho trash, kid my ass he was 19. You can't rehabilitate murder victims back to life so you can't rehabilitate the murderer either. If you're OK with strangers killing your family that's fine I can't stop you but if someone had shot my brother at school and I got my hands on him... it would be a wrap. I geuss you don't care about your family.
He killed 17 people and so will spend the rest of his life in prison or the death penalty.
That being said I do not believe in any form of torture. Many Ameicans seem to be obssed with vengeance in general but I think this traces it's roots back to evangelical Christianity and the American worship of violence. Some people believe in torture medeveil style but that is not my cup if tea no matter how bad the crime is.
Being locked in a cage is bad enough. I also think it bears some thinking as to why is it that we produce so may mass shooters in the first place.
I don't know. Americans seem to be the most hateful people on the planet. I blame Fox News.
I mean if he murdered your kid I would understand it. Otherwise what's your gripe?
That said, regarding your details, I've seen no indication that Cruz could ever be rehabilitated, or that he could ever be released without being a danger to society. The lynchpin of his defence was that he was affected by prenatal alcoholic syndrome, which means his brain is permanently fucked. That's probably the only reason he didn't get the death sentence.
What are you talking about? You have to understand people CHOOSE to be killers. Stop making excuses. Maybe he will repent of his sins in prison. I don’t know.
You can’t force someone to change. They have to want it. It wouldn’t have mattered. He had LOTS of mental help. There are shooters who have come from loving homes.
This is such a insult to people who have had rough lives and never went out and killed anyone.
I think rehabilitation should be something that is available but not garuenteed. This guy, it might be worth a shot to rehabilitate. He's obviously sick.
I feel like in this case he'd spend a year or two in prison and then go to a center to be evaluated on his chances for getting better
Naw, it’s not blood thirsty, if you end up in there you deserve to get your ass took, that’s the rules, you fuck up like that you don’t get hell you get it here
and so what If someone rape him with a broom they’d probably kill him to, let another murderer do it
he’s still a human? So? So? Wtf? He fucked up, if you end up in there you deserve to get your ass took
The truth is that the families should be the ones weighing in on his punishment. I have no need to see him needlessly suffer. But I didn't have a daughter or son, get blown away by this murderer.
I can't speak to the grief a parent feels looking down at the body of their child after being shot with an AR-15.
I don’t even think that is even a remote possibility. Talk to the creator of the question. She thinks Americans are bloodthirsty. We have a system of laws. We are not like other societies that do not have due process.
Such a prisoner would be held in solitary confinement or otherwise protected. But it seems to me unless there are some mitigating factors, this is one of the rare cases where capital punishment is justified. Rehabilitation works with some criminals, but this is not one of them.
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The country puts black people who are in jail through hell. Everyone sees black people as criminals or thugs, and they deserve it. But when you talk about Nik Cruz, everyone says, "poor baby, he is mentally ill" no, he's a criminal, like how you treat everyone else. Just because he is famous doesn't mean shit, and he has white privileges doesn't mean shit.
That has been happening to black people for decades. Welcome to the club. Look up Isaac Wright JR. Imagine going through what he went through. And the central park 5.
Who gives a fuck if black people went through it, gay rape shouldn't be a thing for anywhere even prisons period. There's people falsely imprisoned for a crime they didn't do and still got raped and tortured by other inmates.
The way prisons are done outside of Scandinavia are worse than even roman or medieval era dungeons.
There's evidence that restorative justice, as practiced in Norway, has effectively reduced the retreat offensive by former convicts at less than 20% while the us repeat offenders are at over 75%.
You're a bleeding heart fucking idiot. He showed no mercy, he deserves no mercy. People like Cruz and Brievik can't be rehabilitated. You let them out and they will most likely kill again. They are psychopaths that killed a shitload of people, not some kid that just kicked his neighbor's dog. The right thing to do is kill them so they can't kill again. It's like shooting a dog with rabies, it has to be done. Wake up, dipshit. A merciless killer is not your friend.
Human beings have inherent natural/ inalienable rights. First among these is the right to life. If you purposefully violate someone else's natural rights you forfeit yours. To the gallows or firing squad is where he should go, cruel and unusual punishment is un American, unconstitutional, and just plain wrong.
Most people are dumb. They actually believe in “evil”. Ell oh ell! When you’re that dumb, you can’t help but say dumb things and post them online. Ignorance also breeds fear. So they’re afraid. Way more afraid than they should be.
Some people don’t deserve redemption, some people are beyond rehabilitation and just need to be removed from society. The cheaper and simpler solution would be one between the eyes on the spot, but this is a fair alternative
The extreme rights believe the death penalty is a deterrent to crime… but it isn’t lol. I think America should use some European ideas (Norway, Denmark etc) on the criminal justice system and housing and medical care…
What is subjecting the scrawny young man to being raped by homosexual rapists and passed around going to do to make the victims families lives better? I know he killed little kids but I'm failing to see what gay raping him or roughing him up is going to do.
That's your problem then. Setting him free eventually doesn't do them any good, killing him doesn't do any good and keeping him in prison does them no good. And no, many people cannot be rehabilitated, and you're genuinely naive if you think they can.
But hey as I said, your lack of understanding is entirely your own issue. Think what you want.
Culture difference, and I still don't agree with trying with sex offenders. In my opinion, they all deserve to be flayed alive and nailed to poles and left to die.
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