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Seriously. Yes, I am asking this, and yes, I will be reading the answers. As always, trolls and flames will come down, let’s discuss the issue, not each other, and I wish you all the best of luck.
Because one of the universal laws of the powerful is that rules are for the little people. Emperor Pritzker of Illinois fiercely mandated draconian lockdown policies for the sake of public safety, yet took his family to wide-open Florida to celebrate Thanksgiving. Ronald Reagan committed high treason while in office. Abraham Lincoln violated the Constitution more than any President before OR after (up until Obama, at least, and even that's arguable). Hilary Clinton not only violated the terms of her security clearance, but deleted evidence during an ongoing investigation (even if those emails were cookie recipes, obstruction of justice is obstruction of justice).
They're all still venerated.
You aren't, because you haven't insinuated yourself into the favor of the modern Dr. Lueger.
I don’t know what you’re expecting. The Covidians are A-OK with this fact. They always have been. You should know by now it was never about health. Lawyer up.
That’s OK, when they start getting sick and dropping like flies, and the hospitals are overwhelmed, they can go fly a kite themselves.
You said you worked In a hospital unfortunately the usually always require everyone to be vaccinated regardless of what their role was in the hospital or if they are short staffed or not, as they view vaccination statuses as a way to help prevent the spread of viruses and diseases.
I know someone who was just a cleaner in a hospital and they fired them for not showing their vaccination status. Unfortunately many people lost their jobs around the world for not being vaccinated and for not showing their vaccination status. Nope they don't care if a position has been filled or not because people being vaccination is more important to them
Do you see how that is? A hypocrisy problem? Do you see how that could be described as playing politics with peoples lives?
I can totally see it. I had the vaccines and I still got covid and was bedridden with it after i had my 3rd dose. I truly to this day believe the covid vaccine was rushed and a waste of money and really does not stop covid at all. However sadly the government just don't care, same as many health professionals. I know living where I do, nurses are being forced to work 15 hour shifts and they are having to look after way too many patients at one time but again the government care more about people being vaccinated than people
At least in the US, but probably most of the rest of the world as well, the government is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. That means, the US government was spending $5000 a dose for the Pfizer vaccine. That’s why our bridges water pipes, roads police forces, military, etc. are falling apart because the Biden crime family and the Obama crime families owed Alan Bourla a lot of money.
Fauci lied, people died!!!
I'm not sure if our government is owned by the pharmaceutical companies as many of us paid only $6 for medication that normally cost $70 or more but I know our government paid in the millions for 3 different types of vaccines with one of the vaccines not being suitable for many people like myself due to the side effects like blood clotting
I’m guessing you took J&J?
I work in a hospital as well. Why do you think there was such a push for people to get vaccinated early on? Maybe it had something to do with keeping the healthcare system from collapsing?
Was say the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine 100% protective? No, but it was very very effective against the original strain. Nurses would have been working 48 hour shifts instead of 15 without it and the death toll would be much higher.
@holdem4884 why are you replying to me? The covid vaccine doesn't do jack all. If people wanna believe it does, go out there and see how many are still getting sick with covid even with having 3 or 4 doses of the covid vaccine. People are still dying from covid even when they are vaccinated.
I'm not going to argue
Sixgun, this video will explain it in very simple terms. And I'm sure you will agree.
I'm shocked that YouTube hasn't deleted this video.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/qTBbMVd91u8He does seem a bit surprised that Don lemon is so healthy after taking it.
Do you remember “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”? Well, “if you get these vaccinations, you can’t catch Covid”.
LOL. My interpretation of the Biden/Lemon clip, is that Biden is shocked that that Lemon was dumb enough to get the vaccine.
And yes, I remember when they all said that if you get the vaccine, you can't get or spread Covid. Pfizer has since admitted that they never actually tested to see if that was correct or not, and as we all see, it's a pile of bullshit. I think Fauci had Covid twice. So much for that song and dance.
It sucks that you lost your job, but you made the right decision.
I realize that many lemmings were scared in the beginning, but now that they know that the virus doesn't work, why are they still government lemmings?
I can't remember the name of the hospital, but the fired employees filed a class action lawsuit against the hospital, and won. This is going to take off all across the US.
Just look how many people in the military got fired, because they didn't take a vaccine that doesn't work. We all know it doesn't work, but they keep pushing it. Could it be because of money?
Money talks as the saying goes
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... What about that is confusing? It is beneficial for corporations to be able to fire you for not being vaccinated so of course it would be more common in the private sector than in the public.
Not being vaccinated is a liability for the business so its literally better to replace you with literally anyone else. As for government officials not being fired? I heard of quite a lot of court decisions that prevented unvaccinated government employees from being fired which makes sense since government employees usually have far more protection than private employees. So yeah, maybe government employees were not fired but it was not for lack of trying and they did want to do it but the courts would not let them which is not really an issue for a private business.
Are you in capable of understanding the hypocrisy of expecting a disease to be taken seriously yet being OK with exceptions? If not, then I see no further reason to engage with you, because the rate of return does not justify the investment.
Also, I realize you have some kind of personal issue with me, but for the sake of keeping it, interesting, do at least try to put a logical argument together once in a while.
@Sixgunsound: Take it from me, don't waste your time with him. The dude is a major idiot. I have been on GAG for 6 years now.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy consider it taken!
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Oh? Has it already been 6 years now? Time sure flies when you are having fun dunking on people like you.
Come on genius. "incapable" is one word and you meant "exemptions". Which of course there will be as any reasonable person would understand and expect.
How is it a liability for a company (private or public) to employ an unvaxxed person OR beneficial to be able to fire someone that isn't vaxxed IF:
— you can get and give covid (err um the flu) whether you’re jabbed once or boosted 600 times? —
The logic isn't there. There is no benefit in having the vax; except possibly your family winning a large life insurance payout when your strong, healthy heart suddenly, randomly, without cause or previous symptoms, gives out and stops working (myocarditis and pericarditis). 🧐 The cases rise by the day (I DARE YOU TO LOOK IT UP!!)
This follow-the-leader blindly is exactly why so many people died in atrocities and massacres for centuries. Taking peoples’ jobs and livelihoods in the name of health and safety; while stripping their freedoms, rights, dignity and bodily autonomy is a slippery slope.
I bet you’re not gonna answer my question @Soteris or view the vaxx injury stats. You just like to argue. If you were right, you wouldn’t have to argue, you’d just leave your opinion and walk away like I’m doing right NOW!
@UrMomIsHot Okay stupid, here's the data you requested:
"More than 640 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through November 2, 2022. During this time, VAERS received 17,161 preliminary reports of death (0.0027%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."
0.0027% and that's before ANY investigation to see if the vaccine could have somehow caused the death or if it's simply coincidental!!!
@UrMomIsHot
Oh, simple. If you are sick then you are not being productive for the company, which is especially true if you being sick means you could infect others at which point your problem is suddenly being multiplied across the whole company.
Having a person that is healthier is much better than having someone who is prone to sickness. Sadly we dont really have a scholarship for healthiness that they can ask for when hiring you but vaccination makes this very simple. Either you have a vaccine and therefore you are inherently healthier or you dont and you are an economic liability that can easily be replaced by someone you know is healthier.
As for your data, I have seen plenty of evidence for the effectiveness of the vaccines and your argument that I would not have to argue about it if I was correct is stupid since I also have to argue against people who believe in any number of Gods and those who believe the earth is flat.
I guess the laws in Sweden are different from what we have in the United States. Legally, employers have no right to know any details of an employee's health. That's why companies, during COVID, told employees that they could prove vaccination status or show a negative test at least once a week; religious exceptions were allowed.
In addition, the place I worked had a temperature check at the main door, a machine that read your forehead temperature and if it was too high, you were expected to turn around and go home.
I know of no one in the US who was fired for not being vaccinated. That would have been all over the media.
Well, you know, at least one, I should think! Also, do you expect the heavily biased propaganda wing of the group that created a pandemic to throw a presidential election to honestly report anything, let alone some thing that would affect public sentiment against them? It was reported in media that you probably don’t read. I’d say epic times would be a good place to start, because they aren’t particularly biased, the score, most of their points by reporting inconvenient truths. But everything is cited.
I would give more weight to the opinion of Pravda or IzVestia then I would to the Clinton News Network or the un-American Broadcasting Corporation.
Don’t even get me started on MSDNC!
Wow are you stupid, seriously. Get a vasectomy asap!
@holdem4884 you really shouldn’t talk about yourself that way. If you are having issues with depression or thoughts of suicide there are probably people who can help you in your area. Though with your sparkling personality I’m not sure the return on their efforts would be worth the trouble…
Oh I love you honey. I'm sorry. It's just your utterance that a "group created a pandemic to throw a presidential election" is so phenomenally moronic I couldn't help myself. You're so incredibly dumb it hurts to consider your thoughts.
What's your obsession with gun sounds? Oh, I'm sorry, it's to compensate for your shriveled little thingy that can't make a woman scream, eh?
don't know the law where you are. Sounds to me like a violation of hippa. "you require me to disclose health information as part of employment?"
because um... they decided that your job is one such that a vaccine is required, and their's isn't?
That's wrong in my view, but it's still better than China.
if you're a police officer... hey, we got jobs for you near me...
I was campus public safety for a hospital, but I never got onto the armed side. They rushed the arm thing together so quickly, because so many people indicated they would be leaving and it just wasn’t a good look for a thing that I wanted to be a part of even if I was allowed to stay. I will have my state teaching certification shortly following the new year so I appreciate the thought of trying to Police Department but I would’ve been a lot more interested at 26 than 36.
u wild guess here... and no intention to disrespect, just a guess
-- maybe you had a bad attitude, so this was their excuse to let you go...
-- or they were just asshats themselves.. so same, this was was their excuse to get rid of you
being in business myself, I do see a lot of that, more on the second, for sure sure
I was in a position they still have not filled over a year later. Granted, they still have not filled a sizable majority of half the department that quit overnight, because the company would not respect that their body was their choice.
also true that... for the government, everyone is disposable
it is... the government
In the US people can be fired for almost any reason except those enumerated in federal and state laws. Typically this includes race, religion, country of origin, military service, sex, disability unrelated to job performance, etc. It does not include refusing to be vaccinated unless there was a medical reason it was unsafe for you to be vaccinated.
Can't answer because I don't know what your job is. But I know for my job, if you work at the office at all, you are required to have proof of covid vaccination to help protect the office personnel. If you don't have it you can't work in the office and will be transferred out to a regular guard or a shift CPT. If you refuse that transfer, refuse a vaccination, lie about it or get belligerent, you will be terminated.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../...c3173c2e5_story.html
From September of last year
Governments are very good at ensuring they get theirs no matter who gets screwed in the process.
With the government…they are in control. There is no why.
As their citizens, it’s our duty to sacrifice and obey.
I learned that from working for the system.
you don’t ask, you just do, or you are out.
Just because that’s how life works doesn’t make it right or ethical.
Agree 💯!!
I know someone from my work left because of this.
As we all know…many were fired (you included) Now, they are trying to rehire some of these people.
So I don’t trust the government.
As well…life is not fair.
What can we do?
Because government officials make the rules for the people. Not themselves.
Facts.
I got lucky. I got corona and recovered. I have proof I'm immune :D they can shove the vaccinations up their ass. I will he the vaccinations i ans my doctor think are appropriate. I won't get a vaccine cause some politicians make lots of money from that...
I will get the vaccinations i and my doctor think are appropriate*... Thanks Auto correct.
They pulled out all the stops for the Pfizer rollout; doctors were getting paid by the dose too. The Covid vaccine was admitted to by Bill Gates to be his solution for overpopulation. The solution for overpopulation is the same solution the Nazis used to answer the Jewish question, genocide.
People such as Bill Gates, who own the US government, the courts, the state houses, the United Nations, and various and sundry other organizations, which could theoretically have put a stop to this aren’t accountable to justice as most people understand it. At the end of the day money, power, and influence really do talk.
Well i don't see many people dying to the vaccine. So i don't know how it's supposed to solve the overpopulation issue.
I mean cyclon b was quite effective killing the Jews. I don't think you can say the same shit this jab.
The only virus the Covid vaccines were ever meant to deal with is the over abundance of humans on the planet that people like Bill Gates perceive to be a threat. In centuries past, they would just start a war in order to call the herd, but now, with the advent of mutual assured destruction by nuclear fire, where all of a sudden politicians palaces can be targeted, now they can’t do world wars anymore. Now they have to get the sheep to voluntarily accept euthanasia.
You're glossing over the fact that almost nobody dies to the vaccine. So can you please elaborate to me, how exactly the vaccine is gonna solve overpopulation?
Like this vaccine is terribly ineffective in preventing COVID spread. But also nobody dies to it. So how is that gonna work to mass murder people? I don't get it
Correlate the number of deaths to “unknown cause“ to whether or not they have any of the vaccines. Then look at ages. Then look at relative overall health. Are used to have a link to a highlight reel of 14 to 24-year-old athletes, dropping dead while playing their sport, all of whom only had that one thing in common. Anybody who has a significantly higher profile than I do, and speaks out against vaccines is immediately destroyed, professionally and personally. That is why you won’t be hearing this on the main stream news, not because it is not true.
Dude it's true that they are still doing propaganda to sell the vaccine. But "if" is was a biological weapon meant to reduce the pollination, then it is terribly bad at that. There's a little bit of access mortality but that can be explained with inflation and increase of depression due to the lockdowns. I don't see orange dying to this vaccine a lot.
Population* excess* autocorrect is doing me dirty today.
Totally messed up. You may see it as bad thing, but there's always better out there for you.
Screw that company you worked for.
They were unfavorably compared with a persons experience in a Third World hospital not that long ago. This company went from being one of the top 50 hospitals in North America, to losing out to a Third World country. It’s almost like they shouldn’t be playing politics with peoples lives?
If anybody legitimately wants to get it for themselves, knock yourselves out. Just stop trying to force me to comply with a choice someone else made for my body.
You made the right choice. If you don't feel safe or comfortable injecting something into your bloodstream then that's a right you have.
The government won't give a damn about you or your family well being if your body has a bad reaction to the vaccine and you die.
You just will be another number tallied up.
Get a Lawyer inform your boss Of what is going down it’s illegal to Fire Someone over Vaccination status It’s your body your mind Your Choice and If your boss Raped you It is criminal If someone Injected you without Consent it is criminal.
Because double standard bullshit over a useless vaccine.
Any other explaination is just a longer version of that (which still won't result in any sort of logical explaination, because logic clearly was not used).
Because they thought they could get away with it and don't think anyone will lawyer up and sue them. You should prove them wrong on that, and lawyer up and sue them.
Because your employer made it a condition of your job that you could prove your vaccine status?
The employer actually delayed implementation until the state force the issue. The state doesn’t actually work in the hospital, and they don’t have to deal with all the fights in the waiting room, because people are literally bleeding out because there aren’t enough staff to care for them. This is another example of when people play politics with human lives, it is rarely, if ever the politician who suffers the consequences for the record. The company never once made any vaccination a condition of employment In the six years I was there. That was all government overreach.
Except for the part where it wasn’t required at all at the time of employment beginning. Do you often have this amount of difficulty separating your assumptions or opinions from other people’s reality?
Your HR manager should be able to explain that to you
It’s not complicated, the state turned the screws, and they fired thousands of people. Then patient care went to hell in a hand basket but they refused to stop playing politics with either patient or former employee lives. That must have been one heck of a check from the state to make them abandon not only people who have been with them for collective millennia of experience, but the patients who didn’t have to die, or didn’t have to suffer as much as they did, by making the poor life choice of going there.
The best part of the whole thing, was that it finally convinced the nurses to unionize, so that when the next big government or corporate overreach comes along, now they have collective bargaining power.
May be in your state or country, but not where I live. Neither the healthcare system that fired me over it, nor the school district I presently work for said anything about vaccine requirements. And after getting burned by the healthcare system, I knew to ask the school district at the interview.
It’s never been illegal not to be a lab rat. Well, you’re watching other similarly situated lab rats die of vaccine poisoning. Two public safety officers in my department died because of their Voluntold compliance.
At least not until 2021 it was never illegal not to be a lab rat.
Tell me something, do you believe in a woman’s right to choose? Then why not a man’s?
You have the right to chose and companies have the right to require their employees to be inoculated…. You have to be vaccinated to practice medicine, be a nurse, be in the military, be an EMT or a paramedic, or in law enforcement…. If you don’t want to be vaccinated then chose a job that doesn’t require you get vaccinated. You have a choice, you chose where you work and where you go and if you don’t like the requirements… then pick something else.
Tens of thousands of people are picking something else. The military is a shell of its former self as are police forces fire departments and I've seen one ambulance company go out of business in my area. The hospital is falling into a death spiral of new hires not keeping up with burnout induced resignations. Just like Disney and Facebook are learning, go woke go broke!
I hope it was worth it!
“For not proving…” do you mean you got it and never showed them or you never got it?
No I didn’t get it
The same thing tends to happen in failing states when they’re circling the bowl, the government loots the treasury, weakens the citizens, and tries to nationalize healthcare and disarm. They’re playing games with the currency, they’re playing games with the food supply, they’re playing games with the energy supply, and they’re playing games with education. I hate to say it, but your nation in decline assessment is correct. And it doesn’t have to be. I don’t understand why leftards are voluntarily participating in the enrichment of government officials who they don’t know and are doing nothing for them, which ultimately hurts their own interests when there’s nothing left to loot in the treasury and the officials all disappear to non extradition nations seeking asylum. Why is it so hard for the faction which pretends to be more educated to learn from the history of the rise and fall of empires?
because they refuse to learn from history. they feel like they're going to be on the "winning side" but because they don't learn from history they don't realize that they are going to suffer alongside the rest of us. the powers that be keep us focused on each other so we don't pay attention to what they are doing.
No company wants to get sued for allowing you to work without being vaccinated and potentially infecting someone else.
They’ve been sued more for wrongful death and malpractice since the Stalinist loyalty purges than they were ever sued for hospital acquired infections.
Correct, I am merely demonstrating the error of your answer.
The comparison is between two causes of lawsuits. Surely that failed to escape your notice?
The short answer is people are cowardly imbeciles.
because with politicians it is do as I say, not as I do.
Things are different for them.
Why do people with the vaccine still wear a mask? -
Wow. I did not know that. I am very sorry, man. Was this recent, or was it last year?
That's what you get lol. You criticized nurses and now you're fired ha🤣
You can get a lawyer and sue them. People are doing that today
. Also it is your right not to take the shots
Why would they not have fired you?
Mostly the amount of whining they do about personnel shortages when they voluntarily decreased their staff numbers over politics. In my case it made staff and patients less safe when the hospital voluntarily forfeit half of their public safety department. They have now been forced to hastily put guns into the hands of the few remaining public safety staff, which expensively accomplishes very little because they still can’t be everywhere at once and wherever they aren’t chaos tends to follow. Visitor fights have skyrocketed, assaults on staff are up as well, not too long ago a patient care tech was robbed at gunpoint before public safety could get to the parking garage, etc. if they had adequate staffing one could be assigned to the garage. Because staff don’t feel safe they are getting burned out more quickly and quitting in greater numbers. This is decreasing the overall medical readiness of the hospital and its ability to provide healthcare to the public. All of this because our government officials are owned by greedy pharmaceutical companies who are willing to sacrifice the patients who will die because of inadequate hospital staffing in exchange for the bigger score of government racket enforced consumption of their overpriced ineffective products.
People like you should not be allowed to work in hospitals.
So yeah, I'm glad they fired you.
I hope you enjoy the several hour wait time and sub par service next time you are I’ll.
I won't have to :)
I’m assuming that means you took the Killshot then, or have sufficient wealth and privilege not to need to slum it with the commoners in a public hospital.
I don't know what a "killshot" is, but I don't have that kind of wealth, that's for sure.
The killshot is culprit behind the spike in unknown cause deaths where the deceased have only participation in a mass clinical trial beginning in 2021 in common. Your simply stunning and well thought out answers throughout this conversation have cut me to the quick, and I simply cannot bear to engage with your brilliance any longer. Good day.
Thanks, you just further demonstrated why someone like you should not be allowed to work in a hospital :) They did the right thing firing you. I suggest you find some job where you either don't deal with people or only with people who are as sick in the head as you are.
And now go fuck your unemployed self :D
How are we supposed to know? As your boss.
Lawyer up
What was your job?
I worked at a hospital. My state governor gave healthcare workers, an ultimatum, in the middle of a pandemic, when it was damn near impossible to get enough people into work on a given day for love or money. We were told to get jabbed or get fucked, and I may have shouted a popular feminist, talking point to loudly and too often because I got fucked.
I’ll never understand how Democrats simultaneously expect us to take the pandemic seriously yet watch them fire thousands of medical staff. Which is it?
Either they have enough employees to play politics with peoples lives, or they don’t?
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