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I just love how people from the Victorian area had actual respect and well behaved. I must admit I hate my own generation as how trashy people my own age no longer have self values. Apparently people called you a Karen just because you choose to followed the rulers.
Yeah- I used to feel the same way, and then I thought… no… how much better to *not be forced in any direction* or system, but to have the actual right to choose it for yourself, if that’s what you believe in. If anything, see it like this- it shows you the “true colors,” of all the male and female bastards 🤭 out and about 💆♀️🧏♀️😂
I think the only thing good about those times, was that women were naturally affectionate to men- which allowed them to be sensitive and to open up, and men knew women’s passionate fragility, and offered no ridicule, but defense and some proper courtesy.
Nowadays, we see bastards galore, but men are feeling pressured to seal-in, go gay, or blow up at women and women are feeling the urge to act on passionate emotions, go lesbian, and try to gain some leverage to keep rude men at bay.
It’s sad because they’re only really allowing society to harm them in those aspects.
There really is no sense of “Community,” as I see it, but at least I personally see everything 👁, and I’m not obligated to carry a tissue, fan, and ankle-length box of a gown, to appease someone somewhere.. and to prevent a bunch of people from staring at me from atop their noses👃 lol
Manners would be nice as well as both genders being predictable and knowing social etiquette.
Yes I agree.
It's fine to learn from the past and apply what's relevant today. The problem lies with people wanting to just copy the past... functional and dysfunctional patterns alike. I agree with the value of mutual respect, yet we won't get it if we don't give it. Strictly following the rules of a book doesn't allow for flexibility and respect for a person's uniqueness. Not only that, the authors of the old books are just as bad as the authors of self-help books today. They imply a one-size-fits-all approach, which marginalized those who might not fit into that mold. Taking relationships slowly can allow us to see the real person, rather than see only what we want to see or what the other presents to be seen. Of course, this requires clear, open honesty from people, and that is hard to find. There are positives and negatives to all eras, so let's cherry-pick from all times and follow what is functional for the situation and considerate of all who may be impacted.
Yes Sir, My comment might be removed for being to offensive. But look at now how now a days younger woman dress very inappropriate and sadly no longer have self respect they go out with boys and exchange them as if they were underwear. And another thing now a days people want to normalize gays , Transgender and make normal when it really shouldn't be normal. Also people didn't have all these crazy ideas. Now a days kids have no respect to their parents and older folks. I bet when you were a child at that time parents actually strict with their kids and teach the child respect and well behaved.
Now a days the z generation they don't want to work they're all lazy and they just expect parents to pay for everything and fix their problems.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
Don't assume this is something new. This was a quote from Socrates... only 2400 years ago.
SHUT UP U IS RACIST!!!
I can tell ur racist white dude!!!
There were definitely some things that were worth carrying forward from that era, but I wouldn't want to re-live it in its entirety. There was still way too much intolerance, bigotry and class delineation, though things have only changed slightly today in that regard.
I agree there seem to be a lot more unclassy, uncouth, mannerless, selfish, trashy people with little respect for others in today's world than I pictured in that era. However, that could just be conjecture on my part. Today, due to social media and instant everything, we're much more blatantly aware of it.
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u Victorian era may be a bit too much. 1950's values were decent.
Oh yes definitely in the 1950's people had manners and well behaved.
The 1950's so u want to be in the 1950's cuz it was okay 2 be a racist !
@Speedydude You like making up mean-spirited stuff because you are an angry man who needs to vent his spleen on any available target?
@OlderAndWiser
Just an FYI Speedydude has gone by many names in here. Torpedo and palm tree of the year are 2 of them.
He likes to stalk @Alwayreckles93 and me on here.
Frequently leaves remarks like the one he left under my comment on this question.
I just block him. Don’t really care. He sets back race relations roughly 100 years by himself due to the mostly intelligible comments he leaves. Doesn’t seem to understand his remarks are never a credit to the black race.
@Exterminatore I did not know that history, but I have already blocked him.
Alderandwiser Ignore him or her that user has multiple accounts. He is one of Rolandcurbals friends. It was Dopayo torpedo that user has been stalking us which I think it's funny because that user is only wasting his or her time. I just block all of f them.
Thanks! I already blocked him.
Couldn't agree with you any more. Today's generation absolutely disgusts me honestly. Their imorality is rampant. It's not a generation I want to be apart of. My heart longs for bygone eras.
I take that sentiment to the fullest. Which is why I dress only vintage clothing, take up their pasttimes with classical learning, collect antiques, and I try to behave properly and abide by a strict moral code.
I've even deleted a lot of my social media because of the degeneracy that goes on in many of those spaces. Eventually I want to further limit my cell-phone use and internet use.
@alwayreckles93 No. Merely because someone is polite/ well mannered doesn't mean they are a good person nor a good fit for me. @Jackblue basically said this in his comment too.
We can choose to be what we want.
Everyone is entitled to living out life as they choose.
It doesn't make them trashy/lesser or wrong for having a different way of life. @alwayreckles93 @Rosexøxø
I think @caring__1 left a great comment that should be read and thought about.
I don't think everything that is old is better
I don't think everything that is new is better
There are a lot people choosing to be uncourteous or inconsiderate
But not everyone is like that.Some people have a lot of good in their heart and show it even in the worse of times.They show it even when it is severely inconvenient.
People are involved in different ideas and walks; find someone that wants to walk where you are headed. @alwayreckles93
You want to go back to the times when women dreamt about being courted by the man with the most slaves or servants? And when 90+% of children in London were employed in industrial positions where they were beaten, molested and treated like shit? These company owners are the men that Victorian women swooned over. Also once they married you, essentially women became men's property.
I'm really shocked how after covid and this destroyed economy, now women want all these non-feminist dating situations and 'traditional' men to court and woo them. Get the fuck outta my face with this shit and go *study*, then go *get a job*, men today are no longer here to worship women and support, maintain and prop you up anymore. That's over hun.
What a horrible thing to say.
I do have a job. I am not sure why you are full of assumptions.
I wouldn't be surprised you must be that one racist black kid Dopayo or one of Rolandcurtbal black racist people.
I see you must be a troll.
I think there was greater respect both ways between guys and gals in that era than now. Certainly there were more constraints but those constraints were intended and did act to create strong family units. Both guys and girls could marry with more certainty than they can possibly do so now.
So yeah I think guys and gals were better off in that era in many ways.
You would be surprised there are still many good people out there IRL who can't be bothered by social media which is nothing but toxic miserable trolls hating on everyone and their far left beliefs which its been over a year and i have still yet to see a man giving birth 😂😂
Take it out of your head as if times of the past were better when it comes to marriage and dating.
People only like to highlight to what they perceived to be to their liking and favor.
Dating now vs dating of the past is the same.
Decent people have good dating experiences and dirt bags offer bad dating experiences.
Era is irrelevant.
Another moment of: "Someone who gets it!"
@YourFavoriteFriend Why do you agree with him.
You may be my friend but unfortunately I disagree with you on this one and I mean it in a cool way. Well there was more respect back in that time and behaved attended to act more civilized and the dating scene was beautiful divorced rarely happened back in that time.
@Alwayreckles: Its in your own perceived mind, not reality.
Ecclesiastes 7:10
Do not say, “Why were the former days better than these?” For you do not inquire wisely concerning this.
Okay but how come divorced never happened in Victorian times And people actually used to be more closer to the lord back then? Now a days so many people are atheist.
The Lord
*the Lord
Divorced didn't happen as much because women hardly had any social rights so they often had to stay in bad marriages, not because they were happy.
And people back then were going to hell in droves too.
Most people are going to hell according to Jesus Christ.
@Alwayreckles93 I do agree with him because seeing us (I'm 21) and boomers, we are not very much different deep down. You did said that there was "more respect" back in the day and that people acted more civilized but how do you know? You are the same age as me and you were not alive "back in the days". I tried to talk with people and look around and it seems that the perception that "past times were better" is completely wrong. Not only when it comes to dating but when it comes to everything else. There were always terrible people and there were always great people.
The problem with the past is that there was no internet. This internet has allowed women to go out and show the fact that they are creatures that act with feelings and not logic (most of the at least) and has allowed men to find communities where they can express their feeling, step out of society and become lazier than ever (which resulted in great depression rates that get ever worse). Deep down, people always wanted the same. Everyone wanted the best partner they could get and to have to do the less possible work (in any level). So people just show their true self now because it is cool to be an idiot online nowadays! Girls don't have to take care of themselves and their bodies anymore and guys don't have to put up with all this bullshit. Resulting in people not having as many relationships anymore. And there is a bigger percentage of relationships that are terrible.
Sure, nobody denies that things were "better" back in the days BUT were they truly better? Your point is that people were more "pure" and "good" back in the day but no. Everyone was just a big hypocrite. Men were acting "nice" and "gentleman" to get a family and sex from a woman and a woman was acting "cute", "sweet" and was taking care of herself to get security (in every level) and a family from a guy. People knew that deep down. There is no unconditional love. There never was. People are just more honest now.
@Alwayreckles93
The problem with nowadays is that the internet, allow people to have "company" and "communities" so they don't feel the need to do the things they had to do to go out and make true and real connections. I am the one to speak about that because I used to be the same. I now understand how much wrong I was and how much I wasted my time.
Of course, there were always people that were outside of all these stuff and were able to achieve real connections of true meaning but this gets harder and harder in our days. But it is still possible and it will probably always be. That's my view. I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and opinions on that one.
@YourFavoriteFriend Sorry my profile wrong I'm actually 29 . about to turn 30 in a few months.
Hm, that's interesting! In that case, have you noticed things to change A LOT in the last decade? Even if you didn't dated, based one what you heard from friends or people who you knew that dated?
Sure, let's bring back the tuberculosis epidemic, Carbolic acid poisoning, radium poisoning, ammonia, arsenic and lead laced cosmetic. Divorce was illegal so men literally sold their wives they didn't want any more. Don't forget about the baby farms and child exploitation. Forced hysterectomies for women that were deemed insane. Married women did not have the legal right to own property...
On the surface, Victorians were prime and proper, but underneath they got into all kinds of crazy stuff. CS Lewis who went to boarding school just after the Victorian period talked about how weird things were there. Everyone kept their coats buttoned and knew when to take off their hat, but a good appearance is not the same as good conduct.
It may have been a time when there was a lot of STDs and that was the way religion was able to greatly reduce STDs.
Most of these are quite reasonable. I used a three-month no-kissing rule and people act like I'm insane.
Also, fun fact the chivalric code forbade rape so... yeah I don't think chivalry has ever truly been alive.
There are aspects I do still value and do pursue about this era. Courtship, being a gentleman but also expecting the woman to be a lady. Modesty, long-term intentions etc. I'd not want to reinstitute the full rigidity of those days, such as considering ankles showing as porn, that'd complicate beach days, but I do believe modern day dating has been cheapened immensily to the point of being trashy and uncouth.
Women tend to date/marry respectable good guys with good jobs and manners back then. Nowadays almost no women want guys like that while they are young, those guys are seemed boring. Most women I have seen will hate and find it cringy if a guy writes them a letter or a poem.
That only Z generation I am 29 . Woman my age we want real men. I do agree with you 18-25 year old woman are stupid.
I have always seen older women get kinder and good they become. You, women, hate even actual good guys. However, it's unfair. Men tend to learn that women when at their peak attraction don't want good guys, even the actual ones.
Actually guys attend to be kind only to younger woman. From what I've seen. Older guys are a lot more kind. Mostly guys my age group treat woman their own age horrible but give the special treatment to younger woman.
True to an extent. But younger women have lot more options than younger men on average and a lot of guys get no female attention while they are young or broke. As they get older they resent older women by whom they got rejected.
Well not always the case I know this 21 year old guy that's more mature and makes more money then a 30 year old guy.
On average... 21-year-old guy may be making more money. A 30-year-old guy was maybe involved in more education, a lot of guys who go into medicine, law, and sciences can be poor at 30. They will earn later but the 21-year-old guy making money can get women but not the one who's a student and broke. Women like guys with money just like men like attractiveness in women.
I'm going to be honest with you. I have friends that are 28-50 that look way twice more younger then a 21 year old. No hate but 21 year olds are fat some with wrinkles.
Yes that can happen , I am 26 but I look like 18-19 and younger with full shave.
There are still plenty of good people out there, you just have to know where to look.
No sweetie sorry mostly people from our generation don't actually have respect. I might sound weird but this is why I like listening to older people.
Let's just say at the times when our parents were young times were a lot better.
Well I don't mean it in a rude way. But I've noticed mostly people in their 40's and 50's attend to be more respectful. Now a days a 30 year olds act like 5 year old s throwing a tantrum. Like the other day I told my friend that she should consider Breastfeeding and using diaper cloths instead of feeding for baby that formula trash and used cloth diapers instead of disposable diapers have harmful to chemicals for babies. I have experience I'm a mom and my boys turn out all healthy thanks to my older friends advice. My friend took it very offinsive I was just trying to help her and yeah my friend she is 30 a d you would expect her to listen like an adult not like a 6 year old child throwing a temper temtrum.
You think telling someone older than you that you know how to raise a baby better than her is respectful? It's not. How would you feel if your friend scolded you for being a single mother and told you a list of ways that you being a single mother is going to negatively impact your children?
Actually she's my same age!
I wasn't being rude at all if she took it the wrong way that's her own problem.
I mean search it up formula is really bad for the baby. There is nothing better then to breastfeed the baby. If woman can't even bother to breastfeed why even bother getting pregnant.
I kids are doing great I own a house that's paid off I make a good income and my kids attend privet school. They were all breastfeed I always cook for my kids home fresh meals. I am also against parents that feed their kids McDonald's or out fast food restaurants. Why even bother having kids if the parents can't even cook for the child.
Look I am not one of those crunchy mom's . All I am saying is that the natural organic things are better for the baby.
A woman wants to go back to the Victorian era?
Maybe, but not the whole "you can't live together unless you are married" part. The only way to know if you can live together is to live together
I love to learn more about that subject.
OK SO THIS RACIST white blonde BiTCH
Ignores me !!!
But she sure takes her sweet precious time 2 talk 2 n old dude like u?
Why?
I agree with @OlderAndWiser
Bro so u like the 1959's cuz it was acceptable & normal 2 be racist against black people!
U probably is be owning slaves !
N the only reason reckless wants 2 be back in Victorian times cuz she is a racist n in Victorian times people buy black slaves.
Now it is illegal 2 b racist so no wonder reckless like Victorian times cuz it was
normal 2 be racist and she is buy a black slave n punch slave only cuz he is black.
I’m sorry your vagina hurts.
Yes Sir , I just block him. I think it's really funny how this user keeps on stalking while all were going to do is block him. I just block him Sir.
Exterminator Yes Sir let's block him.
I think he wants attention. So yes Sir let's block him. That will make him upset.
Hmm good idea.. and i agreed people nowadays are meh
They are probably better then whatever this nonsense has become.
You only these:
- Be nice, and try to make other people day's a little bit better.
- Embrace gender differences as good.
Victorian era dating values would require Victorian era daters, and we don't have those. The women of today don't want to act like the women of the Victorian era.
no, it would be brutal with the chastity belts and scarlet letters.
Only if we can bring back child labour and horses shitting on the street.
Hell no, this is 2022.
I mean I guess in some ways it was nice. Both people kind of knew their "roles". But tbh I think today its for the better that its more free. Just let people be who they want to be.
Not surprised with your answer.
Why do you say that?
Maybe more like WW2 values.
Shut up ur racist!
No why go backwards?
Cuz she racist bro!!!
BACK IN VICTORIAN TIMES IT WAS NORMAL FOR people 2 BE a racist?
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