So…Walmart had guns there. Does that mean mass shooters don’t target gun free zones?

[OddBeMe]

No! Doesn’t matter!

Yeah, gun free zones aren’t considered by mass shooters

[Kazekiba]

You know they shot up two Walmarts, Missouri and Texas, within a week of each other? Mass shooters and people looking to do violence target anywhere there's a lot of people.

And all Walmart does about it is mandatory quarterly "What to do if your Walmart is under fire" that does little more than tell you to hide and pray.
Funded by Texas police departments of course, so go figure they put the onus on employees to not get shot rather than, I don't know, put measures in place to stop shooters in the first place?

[OddBeMe]

Very very true. Like the drug war, they fail to go after the actual problem.

Though the FBI has devoted an entire wing to online domestic terrorists. They’re all online spouting this shit openly. It’s like hacking into Isis’s phone line.

[MysticDevice]

Yeah. Everyone agrees that this shit has to stop but we need real solutions. Not pencil-wipped pipe dreams though up at a desk far detatched from the real world

[Price511]

Mass shooters tend to pick out spots where who they’re shooting is more vulnerable to being overpowered by firearms, and usually has a target demographic, audience, or person they want to kill. But this just narrows it down and isn’t a be-all-end-all list. Pragmatism plays into it, but sometimes it’s a spur of the moment thing that can happen in gun-free zones too.

[OddBeMe]

What evidence is there of this?

This shooter worked at that Walmart. That’s why he was there. School shooters were bullied. Anti immigrants target immigrants or sihk’s (who they stupidly think are Muslim).

[Price511]

Simple cause and effect, along with picking out a way so they are the most successful; didn’t you read my opinion before saying something? They have a target demographic they want to kill, whether for social reasons, racial reasons, what have you.

[Aerissa_Jade]

That picture of guns they sell doesn't mean anything, those are useless. Bunch of unloaded guns, that likely have gun locks on them would be useless.

Last I heard though, as I don't like Walmart as a company is that they are not gun free zones, they simply have asked people to not open carry in them.

[OddBeMe]

So billion dollar companies with tons of expert opinions are against open carry. Shouldn’t that carry weight?

[Aerissa_Jade]

Not really, they are doing it because some other customers get freaked out and will take their business else ware. The bottom line is all that matters, rights be damned they want their money.

Of course businesses, people, etc... have the right to ask not to open or conceal carry and if they see someone doing it they can ask them to leave and if they do not, it is trespassing.

Here, people have called the police on people who are open carrying and in some cities the police ticketed them with disturbing the peace. A generic offense that can apply to anything really, but isn't a big deal.

The legislature passed a law that if someone is exercising a right and are not breaking any laws they cannot simply be charged with some generic thing like disturbing the peace.

All those calls to 911 when some protesters are open carrying, really wasted the police departments time and tied up 911 operators and delayed responses to real emergencies.

To me those people who called 911 to report someone open carrying should be charged for wasting the operators time.

[OddBeMe]

If open carry is legal why call 911? That’s on them for wasting their time.

[Anonymous]

The fact that Walmart even sells guns is proof of how backward American gun laws really are. It is sick.

[Juxtapose]

What you're seeing is what a free country looks like.

[joeldalton]

cope and seethe.

[Anonymous]

Even if there are guns available people would be scared to grab one and go after the shooter because..

1). having a gun doesn't make you bulletproof so they're more likely to run.

2). When the cops get there they won't be able to tell who the mass shooter is, and who the armed citizens are. You have a greater chance of being shot by the cops as well if you're running around a Walmart with a gun chasing after a mass shooter.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I would never try to grab one of their unloaded guns, by the time I found where the ammo was (assuming they even sold it) I'd be dead, so your right those are kind of pointless and they probably have gun locks on them.

[Opinion Owner]

@Aerissa_Jade
Yeah Walmarts are such big open stores that I would think everyone should run and try to help others escape as quickly as possible. If it was a school or something where kids are trapped in classrooms and halls I would probably grab a knife, screwdriver, fire extinguisher, or anything I could find and run towards the shots, try to get behind him and fuck him up.

[OddBeMe]

Precisely, Anon

[USLegionary]

We're any of the victims armed? Was there any armed security in the vicinity? Was the area where the attack took place a gun free zone? I worked in a wallmart and a target way back and we weren't allowed to take guns to work especially not in the break room.

These mass shooters tend to go after soft targets where there is little security and victims are less likely to fire back, as well as to maximise casualties. Fortunately most don't seem to be good shooters.

[OddBeMe]

Can it be a gun free zone if it sells guns there?

[USLegionary]

You can buy alcohol in Walmart but you can't get drunk until you get outside into the parking lot. Same with condoms, wallmart is a sex free store, though one time when I worked there lol...

[joeldalton]

@USLegionary he's so stupid it should hurt... him.

[OddBeMe]

Didn’t answer the question.

[USLegionary]

I did. The break room at wallmart is a gun free zone

[OddBeMe]

So a break room can be labeled “gun free zone” whilst the outside of that break room isn’t one?

[USLegionary]

Locker room too. It's almost as though criminals don't care for gun rules.

[Anonymous]

Having the ability to defend yourself does not mean you won't be attacked merely that the attacker takes greater risk in such attack and you have a better chance of surviving.

So yes they will favor gun-free zones but could go anywhere. Unfortunately we have a mental health problem in this country among other demographic issues which historically tends to destabilize nations.

[OddBeMe]

But they don’t consciously target “gun free zones”. They target the location of their insanity. Workplace and schools.

[Opinion Owner]

@OddBeMe They target locations they think they can get away with absence that they pick any location that they can.

[OddBeMe]

Have you even read about the shooter? They pick spots related to their anger. They don’t Google “gun free zones”. They go to stoneman Douglas school, the place they were fired, etc…

[dustybiker]

It’s the old ladies in the aisle with the frying pans that will take them out. Unfortunately, not much else will.

[OddBeMe]

Total war. I would hate to see someone attack my Gma. Poor bastard.

[MysticDevice]

Crime will always find a way. Before guns it was bows. Before bows it was swords. Before swords it was spears. Before spears it was sticks. Before sticks it was rocks. Before rocks it was teeth.

Safety is an illusion.

[OddBeMe]

Sure, but how many casualties would a knife attack be? Or a bow? As opposed to semi autos? Doesn’t that difference save lives?

[MysticDevice]

Lets see here, the Mongols killed and enslaved about 30 million. The Romans probably half that. I'm gonna guess 30 or 40 were killed by Vikings at Lindisfarne. The Japanese killed about 1,000,000 in Korea between 1592 and 1598. The Scots killed about 5100 English at stirling bridge. The Greeks killed 20,000 Persians at Thermopolylae.

There were 19 dead and 26 injured from the Sagamihara knife attack in 2016 in Japan.

In 2017, 97,183 were killed by stabbings globally.

In 2019 there were 9,885 dead in Brazil, 9,424 in South Africa, 8,930 in India, 4,699 in Mexico etc

31 dead and 141 wounded in 2008 at the Kunming Railway Station in China.

8 dead and 48 injured in London on June 3, 2017.

Guns, bows, blades, cars, criminals will find a way.

[OddBeMe]

Nice try with the mongols shit. Doesn’t have anything to do with it.

Here’s actual data…
www.statista.com/.../

[MysticDevice]

I've never denied that guns are used to kill people. I'm denying the effectiveness of gun control and the notion that criminals obey laws.

The genie is already out of the bottle.

The only person who can protect you, is you. And you'll want the best possible tool to give you the best possible chance to survive.

[OddBeMe]

That’s not the point. It’s that guns kill way more per attack than knives.

And it’s not out of the bottle. We can have gun buybacks, more regs for gun makers, universal background checks, no domestic abusers and terrorists.

[MysticDevice]

I don't see how thats not the point.

there's already background checks. There are literally thousands of laws in place. The buybacks only serve to disarm the innocent while the guilty still run free.

Besides no intelligent person is gonna turn in a 2,000$ rifle for a 200$ gift certificate.

Let me just put it this way: when you get attacked you're gonna call the police. When the police show up they'll have the same guns the government wants to ban from you.

If they're gonna ban guns then the secret service, the police, and the military should go first.

[OddBeMe]

Sigh…there’s not universeral background checks and domestic abusers and no fly listers can still get them. And Handguns on the streets are what’s causing the majority of gun deaths. And yes a druggie will turn in a gun for $20.

[MysticDevice]

A "universal background check" isn't going to work. If you don't buy from licensed dealers there's nothing the government can do.
Every time I buy a gun I have to sit there for a half an hour while they look me up in the system, I have to fill out a 30 question form and sign my signature at least 3 times. I do not walk in, fork out cash, and walk out. There is an in depth process.

Handguns already have more legislation and restrictions than "regular" guns.

And I said intelligent people. Druggies will trade in and spend that 20$ on more drugs. Someone like me is never going to trade a 2,000$ rifle in for anything less than 2,000$. Or at all honestly. There are too many psychopaths, kidnappers, muggers, rapists, and people drugged out of their mind for me to give up my only defense.

That's not even mentioning the wildlife in my state that could kill me as easily as you'd crack open a beer.

Look, I get it. You're pissed that things like this happen. We all are. We are all frustrated that the police can't actually help you. But criminals don't obey laws. That's why they call them criminals. Me and the 100,000,000 other gun owners in the U. S. choose to put our lives in our own hands. And we're sticking to the best possible tools to help us live through events like that so we can go home at the end of the day.

I'm not trying to berrate or belittle you. I'm trying to help you understand the situation and why we think the way we do.

[Juxtapose]

Unloaded guns are not going to be a lot of help when you're suddenly getting shot at man 🤷‍♂️

[OddBeMe]

They sell ammo too?

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, go ahead and take the time to load up the gun while the shooter picks you off 🤣

[hahahmm]

Right. You would need to 1.) Find a firearm that doesn't have a chain locking it down. Probably unlikely if the walmart employee have any sense. Walmart isn't a gun store. Lot more idiots working in and walking into walmart so they would not have guns that aren't locked. 2.) You need to find the right ammo for the firearm. 3.) You need to already know how to use that firearm to properly load it and clear potential jams & to aim it effectively.

Let's say the weapons aren't locked... the people who can do #1 & #2 are also smart enough to know it takes less time to exit the store than to do #1 through #3. and that you can get shot in the back while doing 1-3. OR they have a gun on their person ready to go.

[hahahmm]

That said... i bet nobody is shooting up Home Depot or Lowe's because there's a LOT of easily reached weapons all over those stores and the typical Home Depot shopper is the type who would enjoy bashing in the brains of a nut job.

[OddBeMe]

So what makes you think arming everyone, teachers, office workers etc won’t do the exact same thing.

This is my fckin point. Mass shooting chaos.

[hahahmm]

@OddBeMe Because the vast majority of people aren't homicidal maniacs. Even if every single person had a gun there's a limited number who would do bad things with them. There's many more people who would do the right thing. If this wasn't true then society would have collapsed already since it only works because the majority follow the rules that keep it going... NOT because cops force people to do all of the things that keep it running. And by the way, the vast majority of legal gun owners are way better trained than the mass shooter types. Time and time again when I hear the details of a mass shooting it tells me that the shooter wasn't that efficient. What does that mean... you let me or any other 'good guy' with a gun be around when the mass shooter shows up and he's going down. No question about it. Uvdale shows a lot of cops are cowards too... but they're protected by unions. Something needs to be done about that but it's a separate issue.

[Sevenpointfive]

@SpringValley that's right. this wasn't a "mass shooting" this was going postal

[Guy13]

What’s your point 🤷🏻‍♂️

[SpringValley]

A cry for attention.

[Red-Blaze]

This question is really vague or just makes no sense

[SpringValley]

@Red-Blaze
It makes sense to the asker who doesn't stand for anything, and just wants attention.
Anyone with a brain larger than a sesame seed, would know that the killer's beef was against an employee or employees.
Only a complete idiot would conclude that the killer's beef was about a store he worked at for well over a decade, that sold guns. It doesn't take a decade to figure out that your store sells guns.

[Red-Blaze]

O.. there was a shooting in Walmart?
Sorry not in the US did not know its something to do with current events

[SpringValley]

@Red-Blaze
The night manager walked into the break room with about 15 or so people, and killed a handful. Then he killed himself. I'm sure it was because he blamed his co-workers for the sales they had no control over.

[Red-Blaze]

I read, terrible
The way they ask it here still makes no sense to me, like what are they even asking? the words don't seem to connect 😓