Are trans women real women and are trans men real men?🌈? (Page 2)

[nawtee_me]

Science, chromosomes say differently. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig….

[Nigjt]

Yes as long as she or he believe they are.
God Bless

[CateM]

Of course they are. Can't we just be decent people and respect a person's gender identity for once?

[DevikaButts95]

@yourmancallsme
1. Even if it were it doesn't really change anything, if their brain makes dopamine by them identifying differently, why would we not respect that and instead forcefully try to get them to identify otherwise and be miserable?
2. Mental illness is pretty subjective in cases like this, we only know so much about the brain. Mental illness is best described as your brain not working correctly, and it's difficult to argue that being trans makes you not functioning correctly given you can be trans and be completely happy.
3. You're not a psychologist. Lmao. You're not even anywhere close to remotely qualified to have such an unfounded opinion.

[Asker]

If the brain make extra dopamine by identifying them as different isn’t that a mental illness? As you said mental illness is best described as your brain not working correctly. You can be absolutely mad and kill people but still be happy
You’re right I’m not a psychologist but I am currently studying psychology furthermore it’s just general knowledge

[DevikaButts95]

-Arguably it's just a brain working differently, it's still making dopamine
-Yea I mean there's other factors to consider besides happiness but unfortunately calling someone she/her instead of he/him is not like someone killing a bunch of people.
-You are not studying psychology. Lmao. I think that statement should let you know how clear the bluff was.

[Asker]

I am studying psychology, history, religious studies and English literature I’m doing A Levels it’s not a bluff

But if the brain is making too much of something would you say it’s still working properly?

[DevikaButts95]

Then you're fucking failing. Lmao. Like you have no basic concepts of this stuff.
Your question is irrelevant, because you're just assuming a trans' person issue is they make too much dopamine if they identify as another gender, which doesn't make any sense and is not something I stated as being the case. What a stupid angle to approach this. Lmao.
The argument would be that a trans person isn't getting enough dopamine identifying as their biological sex, and we can kinda ditto this as being a problem as trans people have high suicide rates LINKED to them not being accepted as their preferred identity. Of course your solution is that problem is basically to go tell them to kill themselves so lmao I guess you don't see that as a problem.

[Asker]

I never said that they should kill themselves and I fed you what you said back to you
I said that it’s a mental illness and you stated dopamine controls what they identify as therefore they are making too much or too little (unbalanced)

[DevikaButts95]

Yes, identifying as the wrong gender is the brain not functioning correctly.
You might as well, that's basically the effect your solution has on trans people, so I would say you outright did tell them to kill themselves.

[Asker]

But you said that dopamine is responsible for feeling that they are a different gender
How comes I don’t feel like I am a different gender?

[Asker]

When did I say that they should kill themselves?
You mentioned suicide but didn’t elaborate I need statistics and facts not a suggestion
I think they should get help not ikkk themselves

[DevikaButts95]

How come you and I don't have the same exact thoughts? Lmao.
Every brain is different, obviously.

[CoolCatMar1]

I agree with you it's a mental illness

[jimmy2]

I work in a prison where it was full of trans girls and men over 2k I thought it must be risky to be a trans girl or man

[JamesDiaz11]

It's not that complicated: NO.

[abc3643]

No, of course not.

[Jlt22]

Biological condition of the brain. Can’t change your brain but you can change your appearance.

[_Troian_]

Nah they are not.

[Anonymous]

No they're fags

[Asker]

You didn’t have to say a slur-

[slatyb]

As a practical matter, what does that even mean?

[Kiss_Me]

Nope, they are mentally ill.

[Drumlin2001]

What is woman?

What is a man?

[Asker]

I’m asking you

[Drumlin2001]

No. You're asking if a trans person is the gender they choose to be. I'm asking more fundamentally, what defines what each gender is? What makes a man a man or a woman a woman? Or any of the other of the hundred genders there are these days

[Asker]

Which then opens to your idea of what a real man or woman is…?

[LimitedBenefits101]

Absolutely not🤮🤮🤮

[Anonymous]

Of course not.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Sorry but no there not

[Jennz6]

They are real to all that care about them

[Degenerate]

Obviously not, but who really cares

[Asker]

Pipe down degenerate

[Charliefretz329]

They are their own category. To each their own!

[DevikaButts95]

Yes.

[DevikaButts95]

Notably all the ones who say they're not are creepy old dudes.

[Asker]

What is a woman?

[DevikaButts95]

A gender where one exhibits feminine qualities.
She/her pronouns.

[Asker]

What are the feminine qualities?

[DevikaButts95]

Things typically associated with being female/a girl/a woman.

[Asker]

Which are…?

[DevikaButts95]

Things society consider to be very girl-like.
Or in other words: a very expansive list I do not feel like typing out.
Such examples as like dresses, lipstick, bras, boobs, vaginas, etc, lots of things to consider.

[Asker]

That’s poor and it’s even worst that you’re older than me

[DevikaButts95]

? Lmao what?
That's not even an argument, I don't know do you lack comprehension on what people consider feminine or... what?

[Asker]

A woman is someone who has XX chromosomes and someone who can (generally speaking) give birth to children
If your father wore a dress and put on make up does that make him a woman?
If he had surgery to get boobs does that make him a woman?
No amount of pills or makeup will ever change your biology THANK GOD
Gender dysmorphia is a mental illness just like how body dysmorphia if we can accept that and call them what they believe they are to be then:
I AM A DINOSAUR AND MY PRONOUNS ARE RAHH/AHHH YOU HAVE TO RESPECT ME
As you can see it sounds silly regardless of their illness they should still have their human rights we aren’t judging we’re helping

[DevikaButts95]

That is the biological sex known as female. Also not entirely correct, what's someone with XXY chromosomes?
We're talking gender here, completely separate thing.
If my father felt that way, sure. But not necessarily.
Ehhhhhhh probably in the future science will actually be capable of changing biology, even down to chromosomes.
I gave the mental illness speech elsewhere.
Yea you're not even remotely qualified to be talking about it as an illness nor how to treat it. "We're helping." If you truly considered it an illness, this is not helping. I would equate that as going up to a cancer patient, and injecting them with heroin and gong "we're helping." You're hateful assholes with no understanding of anything you're talking, you're not helping, and you're not an expert on the subject. Lmao.

[Asker]

Someone with XXY chromosomes are male as it is possible that they can get women pregnant. They have female phenotypes but not female.
You could just have a peaceful argument with me without trying to insult me. You’re emotions are clouding your judgement sweetie
Injecting heroin in a cancer patient clearly doesn’t help but telling and showing a trans person that what they’re feeling is an illusion is helping. If doctors regulate their brain functions over time I doubt they will feel like that again.
I know I’m not an expert in the subject but neither are you
I understand EVERYTHING I said and I have the mental capacity and control to understand what you say also but can you also say the same emotional woman?

[Asker]

In the future if we mess with chromosomes the number of cancer patients with sky rocket and the number of disfigured people too
Why would science change for trans people to reproduce in their proclaim genders? I see it as a waste

[DevikaButts95]

"Someone with XXY chromosomes are male as it is possible that they can get women pregnant. They have female phenotypes but not female." Yea so you have no idea what you're talking about. I stopped reading here, you immediately admitted to having 0 knowledge on the subject. You're an idiot. You could have googled it. And your definitions, even from a biology standpoint, just plain wrong. Nothing you write is worth reading, so I'm not wasting my time. Consider this you're "you lost the argument" and maybe next time you can read up and understand anything about what you're talking about.
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I will leave you with one more thing though.
If the problem is that a person is miserable by identifying as a guy
How is the solution forcing them to identify as a guy? That's the problem. The solution is not the problem, that doesn't make any sense.

[Asker]

LOLLLLLL take the L and move on as soon as you insult someone you know you have lost
The solution doesn’t make them better does it as there are a number of cases where people revert back
Tell me what exactly is wrong in the first part?

[DevikaButts95]

As previously stated, you said something very wrong, showed you have no concept of what you're talking about, and thus I'm not reading anymore of what you said. If you're confused you can reread this comment:
""Someone with XXY chromosomes are male as it is possible that they can get women pregnant. They have female phenotypes but not female." Yea so you have no idea what you're talking about. I stopped reading here, you immediately admitted to having 0 knowledge on the subject. You're an idiot. You could have googled it. And your definitions, even from a biology standpoint, just plain wrong. Nothing you write is worth reading, so I'm not wasting my time. Consider this you're "you lost the argument" and maybe next time you can read up and understand anything about what you're talking about.
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I will leave you with one more thing though.
If the problem is that a person is miserable by identifying as a guy
How is the solution forcing them to identify as a guy? That's the problem. The solution is not the problem, that doesn't make any sense."

[Asker]

By insulting someone in an argument shows that your argument is not worth exerting energy to parse through the chain of reasoning of an argument.
I will not insult you or belittle you as I’m open minded and I consider your perspective.

The ‘solution’ doesn’t fix anything but make it worse.

[DevikaButts95]

As I previously stated, you said something very wrong, showed you have no concept of what you're talking about, and thus I'm not reading anymore of what you said. If you're confused you can reread this comment:
""Someone with XXY chromosomes are male as it is possible that they can get women pregnant. They have female phenotypes but not female." Yea so you have no idea what you're talking about. I stopped reading here, you immediately admitted to having 0 knowledge on the subject. You're an idiot. You could have googled it. And your definitions, even from a biology standpoint, just plain wrong. Nothing you write is worth reading, so I'm not wasting my time. Consider this you're "you lost the argument" and maybe next time you can read up and understand anything about what you're talking about.
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I will leave you with one more thing though.
If the problem is that a person is miserable by identifying as a guy
How is the solution forcing them to identify as a guy? That's the problem. The solution is not the problem, that doesn't make any sense."

[Asker]

I have Googled nothing it’s just common sense which you clearly don’t have

It’s funny, can you even answer your own questions or is ignorance just bliss?

[DevikaButts95]

XXY is considered intersex, the ability to be pregnant or to impregnate has no bearing on what sex a person is.
Like a three second google search
Referring back to this:
As I previously stated, you said something very wrong, showed you have no concept of what you're talking about, and thus I'm not reading anymore of what you said. If you're confused you can reread this comment:
""Someone with XXY chromosomes are male as it is possible that they can get women pregnant. They have female phenotypes but not female." Yea so you have no idea what you're talking about. I stopped reading here, you immediately admitted to having 0 knowledge on the subject. You're an idiot. You could have googled it. And your definitions, even from a biology standpoint, just plain wrong. Nothing you write is worth reading, so I'm not wasting my time. Consider this you're "you lost the argument" and maybe next time you can read up and understand anything about what you're talking about.
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I will leave you with one more thing though.
If the problem is that a person is miserable by identifying as a guy
How is the solution forcing them to identify as a guy? That's the problem. The solution is not the problem, that doesn't make any sense."

[Tracker1958]

Because a dog can't be a cat.

[SmokinAces2000]

I guess but I wouldn’t date a trans woman

[CallmeTheKnight]

Hell no and hell no

[joeldalton]

lol, no.

[Bel2718]

No, and no.

[FunkyMonkee]

Essentially.