If you want to identify as a trans man/woman as long as your not a total douche about it I’ll happily accept that as long as it’s not forced on me.
That being said your gender is written into your DNA im afraid so you can’t be truly considered a male/ female unless we discover some for of gene therapy for that in the future.
Well very interestingly there are many documented cases of chromosomes (specifically x and y chromosomes) that don’t match the physical phenotypes that they expect, like XX men or XY women. There’s also XXY or XYX too.
And changing your genetics for your sex chromosomes may also possibly be an option with CRISPR as well, in the future. So who knows, by your definition we might be able to change that sometime. :)
No they're not. When I picture a woman, when I think about women and all they are, I don't think of a trans woman. Ever. I'm older and I know I'm a product of my time, but no. I just can't do it.
Good luck avoiding that cervical and prostate cancer. Just because you "think" you are male or female - cancer doesn't care. Being transfemale means you'll still die of prostate cancer as you'll no longer be checking for it.
Is a leopard that, despite its spots, thinks it is a lion, a lion? No. It is a leopard. Even if you dye it, raise it with lions and have it act like a lion. . . a leopard cannot change its spots.
If a person was born with a pipe, he is a man, if a person was born with a hole, she is a woman. Everything else is a Serious Mental Psychopathic Sickness.
Depends on what you´re referring to. If you talk about people and their experience maybe but there are differences that can´t be taken away by hormones or feelings/experiences or discussions.
Gender and sex are literally the same thing. The idea that gender is something different is simply a liberal theory some Ph. D. student thought of for their dissertation while high on shrooms. What those who see gender and sex as different are referring to are simply personality traits.
@rosek Yet this quoted “liberal theory” is supported by: - The Yale School of Medicine - Stanford Medicine - The World Health Organization - Medical News Today (which is less of a scientific institution but the article in question is peer reviewed by Emelia Arquilla who is an assistant professor at the Chicago College of Medicine and an ABMS board certified family medicine physican)
The list goes on, but these are the easiest to find if you want to double check me. Hate it as you may, this is scientifically supported and peer reviewed by many institutes of medicine. Feel free to let me know your thoughts as to why you thought this “theory” was made while high on shrooms, too. :)
@Price511 I said the idea originated in that form. You are citing entities that support it.
A lot of these entities are liberal and bringing up counter-arguments will get you canceled or named as a transphobe. When higher education entities are working closely with the government, their "support" is often bought and based on what's mainstream at the time. There are plenty of scientific articles and research out there that argue against every entity you just named.
Thinking for yourself is more important than following what the "big" names say. Entities can be bought, they can be influenced, and they can lie to us. And if you look at history, you will see this both in the United States and in other countries.
To see some of the actions the US government has done and private wealthy entities have helped with, and hidden from us, look up: MK Ultra, Tuskegee Experiment, you can also look up the experiments universities have done on aborted babies still having a heartbeat, etc. The list goes on.
If you want to look outside the United States, I'd suggest starting with Mao Ze Dong in China and looking at how he used educational institutions to indoctrinate the population.
Finally, did you know all these entities also supported the COVID-19 vaccine and made their students and employees get the vaccine? Oh wait.. it doesn't work? It has increased myocarditis in young men? It is affecting women's menstrual cycles? (which was called misinformation about a year ago, by the way). We are now finding the Pfizer vaccine saw a 20% drop in young men's sperm count post-vaccine?
One of the biggest epiphanies I had a few years back was realizing that a lot of the education I received (top education) was based on biased beliefs and downright false. If you root your beliefs in reality and morality, then you will be less influenced by the passing fads.
And I would also like to add that the idea that some liberal shroom-high PhD student created the idea that gender is different than sex was a joke. It likely was an idea created by either a foreign entity trying to destabilize America OR the political elite in America to cause discord among the population so they can remain in power. Also to pump more money into big pharma. Politicians need issues to campaign on, and they will make issues if necessary. And they will also create division for the same reasons. Or, it could be the political elite + a foreign entity working together. The CCP does have its hands in a lot of the political and private entities in American.
@rosek Oh trust me, as someone who’s Hawaiian, I’m no stranger to unreasonable experimentation on the people. Quite frankly I hate it too, however to suggest that I am bandwagoning is a bit disingenuous, no? And the thought every entity can be bought, influenced, and be lied to, includes your own sources too. The whole “aborted babies still having a heartbeat” one is usually a sign that you’re talking about adrenochrome experiments, which as far as I’m concerned, have no real scientific backing. MKUltra and the Tuskeegee Experiment are very tangible though, but best to check your sources for the last one. I do however want to say that you are pulling away from the main point of gender identity and sex and instead pushing towards science being disingenuous, which is a very dangerous slope; lumping me in with that disingenuousness subtly via saying “if you root your beliefs in reality and morality” as if I don’t now is quite a backhanded thing, but I’m willing to overlook it in objectivity and not presume that was a slight. Considering that my QAnon father touts the same beliefs as you though, it’s a little disconcerting that you also aren’t questioning if these beliefs you have aren’t also a foreign op to destabilize via spreading misinformation (like how Russia admits to doing, but beyond that is something out of my scope). It tends to mix in a lot of very emotion heavy ideas with also half truths. That’s why it’s very important to double check info with sources on bias analysis, peer review (because anybody can bullshit a science paper until someone checks their work), source of info, possible variances in variables in controlled experiments or lack thereof, what have you.
I am not talking about adrenochrome experiments at all. I am talking about how scientists at universities would take fetuses and count the heartbeat until it ended in order to see how long a fetus could survive outside the womb without medical intervention. That's an example, there were other experiments. I believe it was the University of Pittsburg.
How would believing you are supposed to be the body you are born into be Russian misinformation or a foreign op to destabilize me/others? It's difficult to even have these arguments because at the end of the day, how am I supposed to actually counter someone who says "you are what you believe you are?" . If I am white, can I identify as black? If I am a human, can I identify as a dog? Why or why not? Do unicorns exist if my truth says that they do? Why is my truth? If each person has a truth, is truth just a figment of all of our imaginations? What is reality, then?
It genuinely feels like I am arguing common sense here. Is it healthy to believe something which you are not? Common sense says no.
@rosek Oh yeah, those. Yeah, that stuff about the fetus checking is true. As to regarding the Russian op, I’m regarding most of the other stuff in your comment, like distrust in pharmaceuticals and recent science (which is supposed to change as time goes on and we gain a better understanding of the world, but you’re smart enough to know that). However, counterpoint to the belief that you are what you are; transracialism is actually something that was more so used as a slander campaign against transgender people based on a couple people; nobody in that circle actually believes that. There’s a fundamental difference between gender and race, with one being basically a social construct and the other being intertwined heavily with cultural identity and ethnicity. They’re very different on a fundamental level. The rest of your extra stuff seems to be the idea of a slippery slope fallacy, with adding more and more things that is only there as a contrarian answer that isn’t actually part of the community at all. The whole truth and reality thing is a whole philosophy debate that is purely subjective, which isn’t able to be looked at objectively with facts; it can be supported by such, but not based in such. I could also go into the whole idea of the “appeal to common sense” fallacy that could be a point at the end, but considering that you haven’t actually listed anything except a very open ended question that has a lot of ways it can go from, I’d rather wait to answer a more concise question.
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If you want to identify as a trans man/woman as long as your not a total douche about it I’ll happily accept that as long as it’s not forced on me.
That being said your gender is written into your DNA im afraid so you can’t be truly considered a male/ female unless we discover some for of gene therapy for that in the future.
Well very interestingly there are many documented cases of chromosomes (specifically x and y chromosomes) that don’t match the physical phenotypes that they expect, like XX men or XY women. There’s also XXY or XYX too.
And changing your genetics for your sex chromosomes may also possibly be an option with CRISPR as well, in the future. So who knows, by your definition we might be able to change that sometime. :)
No. Men are men and women are women. A man cannot become a woman, nor can a woman become a man.
NO & NO...Period.
No, I would never want to date a "transwoman", because "she" was born as a male.
My default answer is "I dont care, you do you."
It does not impact me one way or another if they are considered "real" men/women so if that makes them happy then problem solved.
Human beings are fluid in their gender. Right now I am identifying as a cup of coffee.
No they're not. When I picture a woman, when I think about women and all they are, I don't think of a trans woman. Ever. I'm older and I know I'm a product of my time, but no. I just can't do it.
What you are is what you'll always be regardless of surgeries or choices
Good luck avoiding that cervical and prostate cancer. Just because you "think" you are male or female - cancer doesn't care. Being transfemale means you'll still die of prostate cancer as you'll no longer be checking for it.
Is a leopard that, despite its spots, thinks it is a lion, a lion? No. It is a leopard. Even if you dye it, raise it with lions and have it act like a lion. . . a leopard cannot change its spots.
No, they're not
No matter how many times this question is asked, the answer will always be "no"
If a person was born with a pipe, he is a man, if a person was born with a hole, she is a woman. Everything else is a Serious Mental Psychopathic Sickness.
Does it really matter? Usually when people are talking about someone being a "real man", it excludes most people assigned that gender at birth.
Real men don't cry.
Real men can fix a car.
Real men can...
No they imagine themselves to be whatever they think they are and get mad at people for not knowing what make believe gender they adopt.
Depends on what you´re referring to. If you talk about people and their experience maybe but there are differences that can´t be taken away by hormones or feelings/experiences or discussions.
well biologically no, but in terms of their gender sure. i think it all just depends on the situation for what you're going to call them
So you can change your gender?
Gender and sex are literally the same thing. The idea that gender is something different is simply a liberal theory some Ph. D. student thought of for their dissertation while high on shrooms. What those who see gender and sex as different are referring to are simply personality traits.
@rosek Yet this quoted “liberal theory” is supported by:
- The Yale School of Medicine
- Stanford Medicine
- The World Health Organization
- Medical News Today (which is less of a scientific institution but the article in question is peer reviewed by Emelia Arquilla who is an assistant professor at the Chicago College of Medicine and an ABMS board certified family medicine physican)
The list goes on, but these are the easiest to find if you want to double check me.
Hate it as you may, this is scientifically supported and peer reviewed by many institutes of medicine.
Feel free to let me know your thoughts as to why you thought this “theory” was made while high on shrooms, too. :)
@Price511 I said the idea originated in that form. You are citing entities that support it.
A lot of these entities are liberal and bringing up counter-arguments will get you canceled or named as a transphobe. When higher education entities are working closely with the government, their "support" is often bought and based on what's mainstream at the time. There are plenty of scientific articles and research out there that argue against every entity you just named.
Thinking for yourself is more important than following what the "big" names say. Entities can be bought, they can be influenced, and they can lie to us. And if you look at history, you will see this both in the United States and in other countries.
To see some of the actions the US government has done and private wealthy entities have helped with, and hidden from us, look up: MK Ultra, Tuskegee Experiment, you can also look up the experiments universities have done on aborted babies still having a heartbeat, etc. The list goes on.
If you want to look outside the United States, I'd suggest starting with Mao Ze Dong in China and looking at how he used educational institutions to indoctrinate the population.
Finally, did you know all these entities also supported the COVID-19 vaccine and made their students and employees get the vaccine? Oh wait.. it doesn't work? It has increased myocarditis in young men? It is affecting women's menstrual cycles? (which was called misinformation about a year ago, by the way). We are now finding the Pfizer vaccine saw a 20% drop in young men's sperm count post-vaccine?
One of the biggest epiphanies I had a few years back was realizing that a lot of the education I received (top education) was based on biased beliefs and downright false. If you root your beliefs in reality and morality, then you will be less influenced by the passing fads.
And I would also like to add that the idea that some liberal shroom-high PhD student created the idea that gender is different than sex was a joke. It likely was an idea created by either a foreign entity trying to destabilize America OR the political elite in America to cause discord among the population so they can remain in power. Also to pump more money into big pharma. Politicians need issues to campaign on, and they will make issues if necessary. And they will also create division for the same reasons. Or, it could be the political elite + a foreign entity working together. The CCP does have its hands in a lot of the political and private entities in American.
@rosek Oh trust me, as someone who’s Hawaiian, I’m no stranger to unreasonable experimentation on the people. Quite frankly I hate it too, however to suggest that I am bandwagoning is a bit disingenuous, no?
And the thought every entity can be bought, influenced, and be lied to, includes your own sources too.
The whole “aborted babies still having a heartbeat” one is usually a sign that you’re talking about adrenochrome experiments, which as far as I’m concerned, have no real scientific backing. MKUltra and the Tuskeegee Experiment are very tangible though, but best to check your sources for the last one.
I do however want to say that you are pulling away from the main point of gender identity and sex and instead pushing towards science being disingenuous, which is a very dangerous slope; lumping me in with that disingenuousness subtly via saying “if you root your beliefs in reality and morality” as if I don’t now is quite a backhanded thing, but I’m willing to overlook it in objectivity and not presume that was a slight.
Considering that my QAnon father touts the same beliefs as you though, it’s a little disconcerting that you also aren’t questioning if these beliefs you have aren’t also a foreign op to destabilize via spreading misinformation (like how Russia admits to doing, but beyond that is something out of my scope). It tends to mix in a lot of very emotion heavy ideas with also half truths. That’s why it’s very important to double check info with sources on bias analysis, peer review (because anybody can bullshit a science paper until someone checks their work), source of info, possible variances in variables in controlled experiments or lack thereof, what have you.
@Price511
I am not talking about adrenochrome experiments at all. I am talking about how scientists at universities would take fetuses and count the heartbeat until it ended in order to see how long a fetus could survive outside the womb without medical intervention. That's an example, there were other experiments. I believe it was the University of Pittsburg.
How would believing you are supposed to be the body you are born into be Russian misinformation or a foreign op to destabilize me/others? It's difficult to even have these arguments because at the end of the day, how am I supposed to actually counter someone who says "you are what you believe you are?" . If I am white, can I identify as black? If I am a human, can I identify as a dog? Why or why not? Do unicorns exist if my truth says that they do? Why is my truth? If each person has a truth, is truth just a figment of all of our imaginations? What is reality, then?
It genuinely feels like I am arguing common sense here. Is it healthy to believe something which you are not? Common sense says no.
@rosek Oh yeah, those. Yeah, that stuff about the fetus checking is true.
As to regarding the Russian op, I’m regarding most of the other stuff in your comment, like distrust in pharmaceuticals and recent science (which is supposed to change as time goes on and we gain a better understanding of the world, but you’re smart enough to know that).
However, counterpoint to the belief that you are what you are; transracialism is actually something that was more so used as a slander campaign against transgender people based on a couple people; nobody in that circle actually believes that. There’s a fundamental difference between gender and race, with one being basically a social construct and the other being intertwined heavily with cultural identity and ethnicity. They’re very different on a fundamental level.
The rest of your extra stuff seems to be the idea of a slippery slope fallacy, with adding more and more things that is only there as a contrarian answer that isn’t actually part of the community at all. The whole truth and reality thing is a whole philosophy debate that is purely subjective, which isn’t able to be looked at objectively with facts; it can be supported by such, but not based in such.
I could also go into the whole idea of the “appeal to common sense” fallacy that could be a point at the end, but considering that you haven’t actually listed anything except a very open ended question that has a lot of ways it can go from, I’d rather wait to answer a more concise question.
Mentally I am a woman. Love wearing heels, dresses, skirts, makeup, carrying around a purse, etc
Depends on the context. Are they real women by heart and definition? absolutely. Are they real women biologically? Nah.
This depends on your definition of "real" men/women.
I’m asking you
No no. It’s what you are born with. Vagina clitoris breasts = woman. Penis testicles = man