Are trans women real women and are trans men real men?🌈?

[Anonymous]

Yes🏳️‍🌈

No🤢

[Dinosaursandanime65]

If you put makeup on a pig, they’re still a pig

[Asker]

Love this😭

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Credit for this quote goes to Orlin (Nikocado Avocado YT)

[Dinosaursandanime65]

@DevikaButts95 MICHIGAN, AAAAHHH

[Dinosaursandanime65]

https://youtu.be/EP9NqfjUXmk

[Dinosaursandanime65]

The right side of my face is drenched in tears. If I were at school, I’d get in trouble

[DevikaButts95]

My comment wasn't directed towards you. I mean you're just an ass, ain't any other way to put it and you're not really worth any sort of discussion, but I can see it really got to you.

[Asker]

Ok…?

[Dinosaursandanime65]

What is happening

[Asker]

That lady is forgetting her age

[Dinosaursandanime65]

At least she isn’t forgetting her gender

[Asker]

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[In_Trance]

Nope

[OlderAndWiser]

Woke culture changes the definition of words so that they can try to make statistically abnormal things sound normal. It would be ludicrous to say that a guy who has had surgery and hormone treatment but still has XY xhromosomes in every cell of his body is identical in all respects to a person who was born female and has XX chromosomes in every cell of her body.

[Price511]

I didn’t realize that GAG was this transphobic, but I might as well try to make a difference.


So, are trans women real women, and are trans men real men? It really depends on what your definition of a “real” man or woman is.


Is it based on chromosomes? Perhaps, maybe it is. But there are women who have XY chromosomes (Swyer syndrome), and men who have XX chromosomes (de la Chapelle syndrome). They may also have XXY chromosomes, XYX, etc. There are documented cases of this phenomenon in medical studies. If this isn’t the decider, what is?


Is it the genitalia? If so, then what about ovotesticulars or ovotestes? What about men who get born with uteruses? Women born without uteruses? What really defines it as such, what draws the line?



Is it based on looks? What about effeminate men? Masculine women? Is what your definition of what looks like a man or woman based in a social construct, like a slim waist and boobs, or muscles and body hair? Or is it something else?


All of these things have been used individually to define a woman or a man, yet it only ever really works when in a vacuum. It is not all black and white, for there are shades in-between. What defines a man or woman isn’t really defined at all. There’s a lot in between that bridges the gap and challenges what you may believe makes someone any gender.



Let’s say, hypothetically, you’re a man. One day, something happens, and your brain must be transplanted into a woman’s body. Do you think it’ll feel wrong? Like your body doesn’t match what your brain tells you? Wouldn’t you want to try and fix it, and have your body match what your brain says? What if you are born like that, with a body that says one thing yet a mind that says otherwise all the time?


I do not expect to make you change your opinions. I know better than to expect that. What I do seek, however, is tolerance from you.

These are living, breathing people like you or me. Liking the same things that we do, whether it’s cars, guns, trucks, and swords, or pretty dresses and flowers, or something entirely different, they are still just like you and me, with only just one simple thing changed; their gender. This doesn’t even have to alter their appearance either, or “cut off or glue on” private parts. I actually know plenty of them personally who don’t undergo bottom surgery or top surgery of any kind.

If you can know and understand that they are just like you and me,
hopefully you can tolerate that they exist, even if it may not be in your own ideologies.

All I ask of you is to at least show them the baseline respect you would give any other being.

Thank you for your time for reading this.
(Seriously, this took me an hour to draft up since my app kept on messing it up and resetting everything too. I really appreciate it.)
I hope you have a day you deserve :)

[Pohjolan]

Humans have only two types of gametes. Egg cells and sperm.
If it produces egg cells, it's a female, if sperm it's a male.

Besides if they real men/women then we would just call them man/woman without the trans- prefix.

[JamesDiaz11]

Let's step away from mutations, and the answer is clear. You trying to muddy the waters with miniscule outliers is disingenuous.

[Lori11]

"It really depends on what your definition of a “real” man or woman is." you said, if you can't accept a physical reality, then you're just delusional. You're young tho, you need more time to think by yourself instead of being around so many rainbow people and media. I was brainwashed too when I was a teen, I hope you learn to think by yourself.

[Price511]

@Pohjolan The gametes idea, as previously stated, can very well become have supposed “exceptions” as per my ovotestes or ovotesticulars section. We do also just refer to them as men or women, without the trans prefix. But if that’s what you want to define them by, then by all means go ahead. I’m here to try and be objective and factual, not to change opinions here.

[Lori11]

You're so brainwashed...

[Price511]

@JamesDiaz11 I do want to mention these “miniscule outliers” are a larger majority than what you think, as per the UCLA Williams Institute’s study via advanced statistical modeling and various other methods, 1.3 million adults in the United States identify as transgender, with 300,000 youths as well. While you can still hold the idea that these are miniscule outliers (as it depends on what you view as outliers in statistics), I do want to make it a little clearer as to what these outliers are statistically. Do with that info what you will. Also, please feel free to clarify what the clear answer is in your perspective. I’m wanting to possibly understand your viewpoints, as well as how you may view my efforts as “disingenuous.”

[Price511]

@Pterodon Feel free to mention how I’m full of shit. I want to see if there is any logical fallacies that may be there.
As for looking between my legs, that can easily be changed by bottom surgery, although I don’t want that personally.
To have them institutionalized is quite a strong feeling though, why do you think that should be the case? I’m wanting to work on constructive criticisms here by crafting my thoughts and opinions based on reviewing topics and seeing what holes can be poked, or to throw my opinions out entirely if I believe they are wrong.

[Price511]

@Lori11 I do spend a lot more time thinking for myself, and I’ve actually spent a majority of my life in the church or other such places where you may view my opinions as “unfavored.” Do not take me to be a contrarian simply to be one, though.
This physical reality you mentioned; feel free to define it in no uncertain terms so I can see what you mean. If you believe I am brainwashed, feel free to let me know how so too. I do however tend to not really take my own opinions from mainstream media, though I do know that they are often peer reviewed with citations and also codes of ethics; the “rainbow people” are hard to keep this kind of opinion divorced from them, as they are literally the subject.
If there is some sort of logical or religious reasoning behind your answer, feel free to explain it to me. I’d be more than willing to read and reply.

[Pterodon]

Fuck your woke ideas. You can cut your cock off and sew tits on but that doesn’t make you a real woman. Real women are born with a pussy, grow tits, menstruate, can bear offspring and lactate.

[Price511]

@Pterodon So I see that you’re holding a belief that what makes a woman is genitalia, milk ducts, menstruation, and birth. Shall we analyze it?
So real women can grow tits and lactate by your definition, but what of those with small chests and being unable to produce milk? There are countless mothers who have had this issue and sometimes had to turn to formula instead in order to feed their kids, or simply do not have big breasts due to genetics.
Are menopausal women no longer women if they can’t bear children? What of those with birth conditions who cannot carry a baby to term?
These are genuine questions that I feel should be addressed if you want to utilize that definition. Maybe you can refine it and send a reply back, if you can come up with a more concise answer. :)
Or don’t, it’s a free country after all.

[Red-Blaze]

Not going to give an option to here or there
But dam, chill! replys here completely emotion with no mind stering behind them
People should at the very least reply respectfully regardless of if you agree or not

@Price511 Must say, really fantastic keeping your calm in such reaction from pepole

[Lori11]

You're literally trying to use WOMEN HEALTH ISSUES to affirm the identity of transgenders.
If a woman cannot breastfeed, that's a FEMALE HEALTH PROBLEM, something's up with the breast's development and function.
If a woman is menopausal, that's a NATURAL FEMALE AGING CHARACTERISTIC, ovaries getting old.
If a woman cannot get pregnant, that's a FEMALE FERTILITY ISSUE, maybe something going on with her ovaries.
Men who say they feel like women cannot use women issues and experiences to "affirm" their delusion, it just makes no sense. If a woman isn't pregnant and doesn't menstruate is simply because something happened to her reproductive system, she's ill, she has hormonal problems, or she's menopausal. A trans woman doesn't menstruate simply because they're not a woman, they have no ovaries, if they achieve to physically look similar to a woman is just because they're supressing the healthy natural levels of testosterone their bodies produce, using a bunch of hormones and getting body modifications done, women don't do that, periodddd.

[JamesDiaz11]

No, I'm talking about the mutations- I'm not talking about the delusional people who think they're the opposite sex. The syndromes you mentioned, including Klinefelter's (which was the most common one at 1:650- NHS) are not synonymous with Transgenderism.
The reason I'm saying you're being disingenuous is that you'll point to miniscule outliers as proof that 'no neat boundary exists between the genders/ sexes, so people can freely navigate through this, as the boundary is arbitrary- as per these outlier examples, which don't fit the dichotomy.'

[Red-Blaze]

@SirTrolol that was my first reply
And who said anything about mindless before you?
I guess you go all the way with your name :)

[Price511]

@Red-Blaze I would suggest looking at Trolol’s opinions, looking into those made me realize that they were simply just an online internet troll. That’s why I didn’t interact with them, because gauging based on their opinions it’s very likely they aren’t here for any reasonable discourse. I do however believe the others are reasonable people and can possibly be interested in genuine discourse over this topic, to which I will oblige.
Also thank you for the compliments, I’m merely trying to remain objective. :) I understand people can feel very strongly about this, me included, but in discussions like this it’s best to try and leave emotions at the door and to focus on trying to see if we can come to an understanding.

[Price511]

Also, to anybody else who reads the opinions (I know some of you are following closely), I will take a little extra time to respond to the recent wave of them, if you don’t mind. I want to articulate my answers a bit and try to be thoughtful on the input given before answering.

[Pterodon]

I’m not going to argue with a punk teenage little boy

[Bel2718]

"It really depends on what your definition of a “real” man or woman is."

Does it? Well, I go by the universally accepted, dictionary definition of the term, that being the sex of a person is determined prior to birth (XX or XY chromosomes), and that if a person is female when they reach 18 then they become a woman, and if they're male and turn 18 they become a man. Also, that area between your legs is a good indicator as well. Check down there, you might notice a difference between the two genders.

[LiamJHayden]

The people here are not talking about the special cases like those who have Swyer or de la Chapelle or variances from XX or XY.

[Anonymous]

No. And it's not transphobic to say so, it's simply the truth, and people need to stop being so delusional.

If a trans whatever was the real thing, they wouldn't use hormones, get surgeries and try "to pass" as the real thing. That's why trans women are trans, and not real women, because they are men who for whatever reason want to look like women, and to do that they modify their bodies.

Transition isn't a magic thing, is a medical treatment to help mentally ill individuals who can't handle how their bodies look, being trans is a condition, it's something that needs respect and treatment, but it isn't magical and beautiful, is anorexia magical and beautiful? People with eds also feel extremely bad in their bodies and try to change it constantly however they can, and yet I see nobody sane allowing them to do it, I see nobody cheering them and screaming "malnourished bodies are beautiful!"

Also, transitioning is something that's being taken extremely lightly these days and that's wrong, that's why there are more detransitioners as time passes.

[PainusNdeeAnus]

No!
And it’s so sad to see so many people with their entire lives ahead of them thinking that taking hormones and mutilating themselves will ever change that

whatever happened to being just uncomfortable in your body I remember what it was like to go through puberty my body flat out turned against me : I was growing like a weed, headaches, angry and horny all the time, just inhaling food and still starving, A girl could touch my elbow and my entire body will tingle, hair growing everywhere, voice cracking, pimples , started needing deodorant , needed to shower everyday , shaving, lifting weights and there was semen on everything

my point is the transition to adulthood is never a comfortable one it’s very frustrating, difficult and an emotional roller coaster there will/have been many people who didn’t like their body when it was changing

stop telling kids that they’re in the wrong body NO! you are just going through fucking puberty like a normal person but I get it why teach someone to love their body when you can say they have gender dysphoria and bill them every step of the way?

[rosek]

Another question: Are people who convince people with gender dysphoria that if they undergo surgeries, insert hormones into their body, and pretend to be something they aren't just abusers of those with mental health conditions? (the answer is yes).

Here's another one: Are people who think a man can be a woman misogynistic? (the answer is yes)

Another: Are people who think a man should be able to compete in a woman's sport erasing women's rights? (yes)

Another: Are people who think one can "identify" as something they are not opening the door for pedophilia? (yes).

Another: Are people who think you can identify as any gender giving people complexes and setting them up to try reach unattainable goals, and thus setting them up for continual failure? (yes)

One more: Are people who think you can identify as any gender anti-science and paving the way for more anti-scientific beliefs so that we have no structure in our society and really the only thing "right" is what the media and our government deem is right? (yes)

[loveslongnails]

The last time I researched this, here's what I found out:

Everyone who has been born from a human being to date, as far as we know, has had ONLY one reproductive system with all the necessary parts present to do their job.** I didn't say they were always perfectly functional, but all the parts were there for ONE and only ONE reproductive system, unless there was a birth defect.

** Well, what about hermaphrodites, you say? These are folks born with one full system and parts of another, but there is no known case where a person was BORN with the ability to make sperm AND the ability to get pregnant and give birth.

This reproductive system "test" is the simplest way to clarify the discussion of "what's my sex" or "what's my gender" if you are ok with the idea of 2 genders. If you're not, and you want to designate your "gender" by what you identify as, that's not the same as "how were you born", which to me answers the question of "are you really a man, or really a woman".

In the end, if you've got people who love you and you can love back, what difference does the word "real" matter? Not much, in my opinion.

[goaded]

Some things you may not know about Transgenderism! ↗

[MCheetah]

Why are we still talking about this in 2023? Mentally-ill men ("men-men") who are insecure with themselves to where they want to pretend to be the opposite gender and live as them, are objectively, scientifically, literally NOT women or female, and never will be! I really wish the Progressive Woke would stop gaslighting people with this Clown World bullsh*t!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/lYF-hdmkvYs

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

'Trans women' and 'real women' are, by definition, two different things. A real woman is a WOMAN, period. As in, she was born of the female sex and has remained of the female sex. She is no more or less than what nature has made her. Same goes for men. Anyone who thinks they can reject nature itself cannot also claim to be as "natural" as the group they're using artificial means to approximate. If they just wanna live in peace with their pronoun of choice, that's no skin off my back, and frankly, more power to them for finding their own sense of identity in this crazy world. But as soon as they start equating their 'passing' act with the real thing being imitated, and expect everyone else to just agree with this... well that's when I have to draw a line.

[annabananna]

I don’t judge them but I do have a hard time thinking of a trans woman the same as I do myself and other women. Genetic woman and I have had similar experiences only you will experience growing up as a girl and they don’t understand what it’s like to really have a female body either. I have yet to have met one that acts like a female either. The ones I have met have always acted like the stereotype female on steroids which is ok but it just isn’t the same mannerisms I’m used to my friends and I having.

[ZXCwWRQWz]

I don't think so but I don't want to be mean. If it's just about calling males who want to be called "she" and females wanting to be called "he", no problem so long as I don't forget.

But you have to forgive me if I slip sometimes and call a transwoman with a full-grown beard and shoulders wider than a man a "he" by accident.

The bigger problem to me is where these physiological differences matter like sports. This goes beyond courtesy to let Mary Gregory break four powerlifting world records in a single day. Where is the courtesy to the female contestants who didn't spend the bulk of their lives with extra testosterone?

[Price511]

That last part, I can understand the concerns about; sports integrity is important. However, if it helps, I can possibly dispel those concerns with basic knowledge about how HRT works. :)

So with the normal hormones the body produces, these are typically mitigated by hormone blockers during Hormone Replacement Therapy, or HRT for short. Testosterone levels would drop to make room for estrogen to take its place, and over the course of time the testosterone levels would reduce to what an average woman has. This typically takes about a year or so of HRT to take effect, but afterward it is a level playing field in regards to sports. Perhaps maybe there should be a bit of a barrier in terms of sports as to not give an unfair advantage, but not a whole barrier for the sport if you ask me.

Then again, you could also say that sports is made with the intent to emphasize biological advantages. Like how basketball favors those with longer legs, or how MMA favors those with sturdier bone structures, or the strength of your arm in a pitcher or quarterback. All of these favor those born with biological advantages regardless of gender or sex. But that’s a whole other topic that escapes my point entirely ^^’

Also don’t worry, my friends understand that sometimes people forget pronouns, just give a short acknowledgement, fix it, and move on. It happens, it’s a simple mistake that can easily be amended.

[rosek]

@Price511 Does hormone replacement for a year change the muscle fibers of the individual doing the hormone replacement? For example, women have 27 to 25% more type I muscle fibers than men, which are known as "slow-twitch muscle fibers." Type I fibers are aerobic muscles rich in blood-carrying myoglobin. By the same token, women's muscles have a greater capillary density. Does that change within one year? Can one year of hormone replacement reverse 18+ years of the body growing and working in a different way?

The average man is 5 feet 9 inches (in America). The average woman is 5 feet 4 inches. Will the hormone replacement change their height to be in line with the average height of the other gender? Or will they be an anomaly? And if they are an anomaly, why are they an anomaly? Is it because they are, perhaps, a different gender than they wish they were?

Women have a different pelvic structure than men, and this is for childbearing. Women have a larger inlet and outlet. Will that change with hormone replacement? And if not, why not?

[Price511]

@rosek While I can’t give a definitive and concise answer as to whether or not the endocrinology change will affect muscle fibers, I can say that studies do say they lose 5% of muscle strength, mass, and area (ultimately, beyond this answer it is out of my scope and I will concede on that until I can do some further research into such, I’d rather not say anything than say something inaccurate). I can also say a few things about the other questions you have:
- Yes, there is documented evidence that hormone replacement therapy has caused people to actually shrink or grow depending on what hormones they’re taking.
- Bone structure is a whole different thing entirely, though. Predetermined bone structure isn’t as easily changed, but this also varies a lot based on ethnic background and genetics on pelvic structure in general. (But I’m no anthropologist so take that with a grain of salt.)
- There is actually evidence in a study that those on HRT do not have any significant advantages over their peers, supported and headed by an advisor for the International Olympic Committee.

[ZXCwWRQWz]

@Price511 I don't like your evidence and you can call it primitive if you want. But transwomen don't pass that well in person. We can all notice their broader shoulders, deeper voices, etc. I see women who don't have these traits competing against each other and it seems unfair regardless of performance when there is one who is clearly not like them in all these ways.

I'm not a saint of defending women but I am a saint of defending what looks weird and fucked up. And so I think I'm in the right that this is obviously fucked up.

[Price511]

You’d be surprised how well some trans women pass, and how many of them don’t have deeper voices, wider shoulders, etc, but I can’t change your mind, only present what I can and hopefully you come to the conclusion yourself.
Though you and I definitely disagree on our definition of “fucked up,” your thresholds are yours to claim.
Hopefully at least this helped you gain some insight or understanding, even if it didn’t change anything on your opinions of them.

[TheorionMage]

Its how THEIR Psyche views themself to... and in... the world.
Most earnestly seek to modify their external superficial appearance such that those who do not 'know' the Trans's physical gender, do not realize they're superficially 'cross-dressing', unless they've undergone gender reassignment.

'Drag' performers study society's atavistic promulgated allure cues and oft hyper-sexualize to... in a way... perform saying, "Anything YOU can do... I CAN DO TOO and often better" because unlike YOU, I'm DEDICATED to exploiting YOUR preferences and prejudices as the 'price' of that gender's privilege.~

A distaff take on that ol '50's ballad: "Your lips tell me 'No, no...' but there's 'Yes, YES!!!' in your eyes (and pants!)

[Bellona]

it is not possible for a trans person to be the biological gender they identify with so it would be invalid for a trans person to consider themselves a genuine ('real') biological gender of the opposite gender they were born with.

a Woman is an adult female who produces eggs= cannot be real woman without eggs/characteristics

a Man is an adult male who produces sperm= and cannot be a real man without sperm/characteristics.

[lightbulb27]

no they are emotionally women but physically not. they can't make babies as far as I know (from their natural bodies).

they are people and deserve respect though. Lots of people have "perceptions" of themselves that don't align, in different ways.

[Asker]

What does it mean to be emotionally woman?

[lightbulb27]

feminine in thinking, dress, communication.

[Asker]

That’s nonsense

[DaisyM23]

yes but they have completely different experiences that separate them - think of it as intersectionality, white women have different experiences to woc, rich women have different experiences to poor women, western vs eastern etc - trans women go through transition maybe, have different feelings as women, biologically born as men so can't have children or periods and so lack that aspect associated with women

[Msputiton]

No can't change your biology.

Gender means what they identify as.

So they can identify as whatever gender they want and I think they should not be harrassed for their life choices either.

[mstbooblover]

That's exactly the sad drama of those trans people. I have a lot of sympathy for people having the courage to get their gender changed, while they deep inside themselves know they can't ever really belong to the gender they dream to be part of, and along the process they sadly loose the ability to have descendants. I'm still painfully aware that something about the subject escapes me.

[Random_g]

No they are not.. Real woman is a born woman, real man is a born man, trans woman is simply a trans woman and trans man is simple a trans man.

And it's not about bullying or transphobia or anything... It's just SIMPLY like that.

[Anonymous]

No, you can never be something you're not. To quote "what is a woman", a woman is an adult human female.. Born with 2x chromosomes.

No matter how many surgeries you have no matter how many drugs you take, you cannot change that. There is a special place in hell for the biological men competing in women's sports stealing their scholarships and records.

[bayoubob]

With this "spectrum" Daddy SHIT, science can't evolve. It can't. The Left loves themselves SCIENCE. Why don't they act like it? If you truly want to be behind science you must have 2 Genders. You have to have it. No if's and's or but's about it. When you muddy the waters so much, to coincide with butthurts, it will take literally probably thousands of years for science to catch up evolutionary speaking. These are facts.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

No, not at all. No mather how much society will lie itself

[DrBanana]

Just my opinion on the matter nothing more.


If you want to identify as a trans man/woman as long as your not a total douche about it I’ll happily accept that as long as it’s not forced on me.


That being said your gender is written into your DNA im afraid so you can’t be truly considered a male/ female unless we discover some for of gene therapy for that in the future.

[Price511]

Well very interestingly there are many documented cases of chromosomes (specifically x and y chromosomes) that don’t match the physical phenotypes that they expect, like XX men or XY women. There’s also XXY or XYX too.

And changing your genetics for your sex chromosomes may also possibly be an option with CRISPR as well, in the future. So who knows, by your definition we might be able to change that sometime. :)

[BCRanger10]

No. Men are men and women are women. A man cannot become a woman, nor can a woman become a man.

[EmmaMary]

NO & NO...Period.

[Berethor]

No, I would never want to date a "transwoman", because "she" was born as a male.

[Soteris]

My default answer is "I dont care, you do you."

It does not impact me one way or another if they are considered "real" men/women so if that makes them happy then problem solved.

[coachTanthony]

Human beings are fluid in their gender. Right now I am identifying as a cup of coffee.

[Jccowen77]

No they're not. When I picture a woman, when I think about women and all they are, I don't think of a trans woman. Ever. I'm older and I know I'm a product of my time, but no. I just can't do it.

[red_knight]

What you are is what you'll always be regardless of surgeries or choices

[jshm2]

Good luck avoiding that cervical and prostate cancer. Just because you "think" you are male or female - cancer doesn't care. Being transfemale means you'll still die of prostate cancer as you'll no longer be checking for it.

[TheGuyWhoKnowsStuff]

Is a leopard that, despite its spots, thinks it is a lion, a lion? No. It is a leopard. Even if you dye it, raise it with lions and have it act like a lion. . . a leopard cannot change its spots.

[AsaKyo]

No, they're not

No matter how many times this question is asked, the answer will always be "no"

[GreenLanternI0I]

If a person was born with a pipe, he is a man, if a person was born with a hole, she is a woman. Everything else is a Serious Mental Psychopathic Sickness.

[goaded]

Does it really matter? Usually when people are talking about someone being a "real man", it excludes most people assigned that gender at birth.

Real men don't cry.

Real men can fix a car.

Real men can...

[Googlemyahoo]

No they imagine themselves to be whatever they think they are and get mad at people for not knowing what make believe gender they adopt.

[Lionman95]

Depends on what you´re referring to. If you talk about people and their experience maybe but there are differences that can´t be taken away by hormones or feelings/experiences or discussions.

[MemeSupreme]

well biologically no, but in terms of their gender sure. i think it all just depends on the situation for what you're going to call them

[Asker]

So you can change your gender?

[rosek]

Gender and sex are literally the same thing. The idea that gender is something different is simply a liberal theory some Ph. D. student thought of for their dissertation while high on shrooms. What those who see gender and sex as different are referring to are simply personality traits.

[Price511]

@rosek Yet this quoted “liberal theory” is supported by:
- The Yale School of Medicine
- Stanford Medicine
- The World Health Organization
- Medical News Today (which is less of a scientific institution but the article in question is peer reviewed by Emelia Arquilla who is an assistant professor at the Chicago College of Medicine and an ABMS board certified family medicine physican)

The list goes on, but these are the easiest to find if you want to double check me.
Hate it as you may, this is scientifically supported and peer reviewed by many institutes of medicine.
Feel free to let me know your thoughts as to why you thought this “theory” was made while high on shrooms, too. :)

[rosek]

@Price511 I said the idea originated in that form. You are citing entities that support it.

A lot of these entities are liberal and bringing up counter-arguments will get you canceled or named as a transphobe. When higher education entities are working closely with the government, their "support" is often bought and based on what's mainstream at the time. There are plenty of scientific articles and research out there that argue against every entity you just named.

Thinking for yourself is more important than following what the "big" names say. Entities can be bought, they can be influenced, and they can lie to us. And if you look at history, you will see this both in the United States and in other countries.

To see some of the actions the US government has done and private wealthy entities have helped with, and hidden from us, look up: MK Ultra, Tuskegee Experiment, you can also look up the experiments universities have done on aborted babies still having a heartbeat, etc. The list goes on.

If you want to look outside the United States, I'd suggest starting with Mao Ze Dong in China and looking at how he used educational institutions to indoctrinate the population.

Finally, did you know all these entities also supported the COVID-19 vaccine and made their students and employees get the vaccine? Oh wait.. it doesn't work? It has increased myocarditis in young men? It is affecting women's menstrual cycles? (which was called misinformation about a year ago, by the way). We are now finding the Pfizer vaccine saw a 20% drop in young men's sperm count post-vaccine?

One of the biggest epiphanies I had a few years back was realizing that a lot of the education I received (top education) was based on biased beliefs and downright false. If you root your beliefs in reality and morality, then you will be less influenced by the passing fads.

[rosek]

And I would also like to add that the idea that some liberal shroom-high PhD student created the idea that gender is different than sex was a joke. It likely was an idea created by either a foreign entity trying to destabilize America OR the political elite in America to cause discord among the population so they can remain in power. Also to pump more money into big pharma. Politicians need issues to campaign on, and they will make issues if necessary. And they will also create division for the same reasons. Or, it could be the political elite + a foreign entity working together. The CCP does have its hands in a lot of the political and private entities in American.

[Price511]

@rosek Oh trust me, as someone who’s Hawaiian, I’m no stranger to unreasonable experimentation on the people. Quite frankly I hate it too, however to suggest that I am bandwagoning is a bit disingenuous, no?
And the thought every entity can be bought, influenced, and be lied to, includes your own sources too.
The whole “aborted babies still having a heartbeat” one is usually a sign that you’re talking about adrenochrome experiments, which as far as I’m concerned, have no real scientific backing. MKUltra and the Tuskeegee Experiment are very tangible though, but best to check your sources for the last one.
I do however want to say that you are pulling away from the main point of gender identity and sex and instead pushing towards science being disingenuous, which is a very dangerous slope; lumping me in with that disingenuousness subtly via saying “if you root your beliefs in reality and morality” as if I don’t now is quite a backhanded thing, but I’m willing to overlook it in objectivity and not presume that was a slight.
Considering that my QAnon father touts the same beliefs as you though, it’s a little disconcerting that you also aren’t questioning if these beliefs you have aren’t also a foreign op to destabilize via spreading misinformation (like how Russia admits to doing, but beyond that is something out of my scope). It tends to mix in a lot of very emotion heavy ideas with also half truths. That’s why it’s very important to double check info with sources on bias analysis, peer review (because anybody can bullshit a science paper until someone checks their work), source of info, possible variances in variables in controlled experiments or lack thereof, what have you.

[rosek]

@Price511

I am not talking about adrenochrome experiments at all. I am talking about how scientists at universities would take fetuses and count the heartbeat until it ended in order to see how long a fetus could survive outside the womb without medical intervention. That's an example, there were other experiments. I believe it was the University of Pittsburg.

How would believing you are supposed to be the body you are born into be Russian misinformation or a foreign op to destabilize me/others? It's difficult to even have these arguments because at the end of the day, how am I supposed to actually counter someone who says "you are what you believe you are?" . If I am white, can I identify as black? If I am a human, can I identify as a dog? Why or why not? Do unicorns exist if my truth says that they do? Why is my truth? If each person has a truth, is truth just a figment of all of our imaginations? What is reality, then?

It genuinely feels like I am arguing common sense here. Is it healthy to believe something which you are not? Common sense says no.

[Price511]

@rosek Oh yeah, those. Yeah, that stuff about the fetus checking is true.
As to regarding the Russian op, I’m regarding most of the other stuff in your comment, like distrust in pharmaceuticals and recent science (which is supposed to change as time goes on and we gain a better understanding of the world, but you’re smart enough to know that).
However, counterpoint to the belief that you are what you are; transracialism is actually something that was more so used as a slander campaign against transgender people based on a couple people; nobody in that circle actually believes that. There’s a fundamental difference between gender and race, with one being basically a social construct and the other being intertwined heavily with cultural identity and ethnicity. They’re very different on a fundamental level.
The rest of your extra stuff seems to be the idea of a slippery slope fallacy, with adding more and more things that is only there as a contrarian answer that isn’t actually part of the community at all. The whole truth and reality thing is a whole philosophy debate that is purely subjective, which isn’t able to be looked at objectively with facts; it can be supported by such, but not based in such.
I could also go into the whole idea of the “appeal to common sense” fallacy that could be a point at the end, but considering that you haven’t actually listed anything except a very open ended question that has a lot of ways it can go from, I’d rather wait to answer a more concise question.

[MidwestHeels]

We are actually men and I am gay for boyfriend

[BootsLover94]

Mentally I am a woman. Love wearing heels, dresses, skirts, makeup, carrying around a purse, etc

[xoxosilentgirl]

Depends on the context. Are they real women by heart and definition? absolutely. Are they real women biologically? Nah.

[Astarlessnightsky]

This depends on your definition of "real" men/women.

[Asker]

I’m asking you

[tfan1]

No no. It’s what you are born with. Vagina clitoris breasts = woman. Penis testicles = man

[ibodi]

Thai would not tell you they are Tran when you prostitute them. I guess they don't care your normal mind just want your body.

[Cubus]

No. You either have XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes.

[HaveNoName]

Of course not. That does not even merit a debate.

[SamK20]

🤦🏼‍♂️..

You are a WOMAN if you have WOMB CAPACITY.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Never. It's a biological 100% impossibility.

[Pterodon]

Fuck no. They’re freaks that can’t decide which restroom to use

[douride2]

It would appear most people in this poll say they aren't.

[Asker]

What about you?

[douride2]

I am with the majority.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Its a shame the people who voted yes weren’t aborted

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily, but I respect their gender identity.

[Anonymous]

You know? In my opinion trans-women are more real women than "women" who wrote this here and those, that follow what she said: Why women should have higher standards for dating!

[Asker]

You’re delusional then

[Opinion Owner]

Why ask if you're transphobic? Are you bored?

[Asker]

I’m not scared of trans people?
I’m not bored I’m just intrigued to know other people’s opinions

[Subarugirl]

According to medical science gender is just a social construct

[loveslongnails]

This is only true if you define the term gender as something you chose to identify as. Everyone is hyped up because there can be chromosomal variations besides the XX or XY, and this "proves something" about gender being "non-binary" because there's more than the two main variants. Ok, I'll go with that because it's scientifically true, but does every variant get to be its own gender, or is gender defined by whichever functional reproductive system you have? That's the simple answer because it's how the word has previously been used. Now people want to disassociate it from science and have it mean something else, hence, all the brouhaha.

[Subarugirl]

The world health organization states that gender refers to socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relations of and between groups of women and men[1]. Gender norms, roles and relations vary from society to society and evolve over time. They are often upheld and reproduced in the values, legislation, education systems, religion, media and other institutions of the society in which they exist. When individuals or groups do not “fit” established gender norms they often face stigma, discriminatory practices or social exclusion – all of which adversely affect health. Gender is also hierarchical and often reflects unequal relations of power, producing inequalities that intersect with other social and economic inequalities.

Sex is different and is biological, not a social construct.

[loveslongnails]

Now "we" suddenly care how the WHO defines gender? My point is the word's definition is being reworked. I fail to see how this" When individuals or groups do not “fit” established gender norms they often face stigma, discriminatory practices or social exclusion – all of which adversely affect health" remotely relates to the question at hand. The cutting and pasting you're doing addresses and entirely different "argument", which I'm not having. LOL

[Subarugirl]

@loveslongnails it doesn’t but the general information provided is. i was providing evidence that supports the definition of gender in which there has been a clear distinction between sex and gender in medical science for 70 years.

[Anonymous]

So dumb why anyone would want to switch out their junk

[Kelly6]

Yes and No.

yes tran women are women, but can they father a child? Yes.

🤔

[Asker]

So define a woman?

[Kelly6]

Tbh
I don't know and don’t judge them.
If they want to be seen as women then they are women.

[Asker]

It’s feeding their delusion though

[Kelly6]

But I have a female Tran as friend too

[Asker]

So Help them

[Alexandrubaschet08]

so we shoult treat a man as a woman just because he akt like a woman?

[Kelly6]

@Alexandrubaschet08 there are 2 things in human.
Body and brain.
If both are same we are straight.
If different we are trans.

And I feel bad for them.

But sure not for people who are normal dudes just want to be wonen,

[blissinanarchy1]

No, they aren’t.

[Asker]

We are not just our bodies though
We are body mind and soul

[Alexandrubaschet08]

The men brain and woman brain can't be in a diferent body, the man brain will be bigger then a woman one and tge brain is a part of the body. Nobady can't separate the.
A men will alwase be man no mather how many surgerys he will do, boobs, facial and hormons. His body can't produce thous hormons, can't have period, can't get pregnet, still have prostate and can't produce milk for baby.
Ther is not trans. Is only mens and womans.
We don't need to accept evrething that is stupid jist because some people are to weak to face the true and reality.

[LiamJHayden]

Irrespective of what society might say, I will never consider either.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Transmen are real men of the female sex. Transwomen are real women of the male sex.

[Anonymous]

Nope.

https://youtu.be/JE6m4l1yLgo

[888theGreat]

Men with long hair and no body hair or a female with a deep voice

[Anonymous]

Does it matter? If a person wants me to call them a man or a woman I will. But that's where it ends. Thier rights END where mine BEGIN.

[nawtee_me]

Science, chromosomes say differently. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig….