Do you agree with the statement trans women are real women?

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SorcerorCam · Accepted Answer

It depends on exactly what you mean.

Clearly, men and women are born with different plumbing.

Many *also* feel that men and women are born with different brains -- that there are fundamental differences in the brain the same way there are fundamental differences in things like height or muscle development. There's a pretty good amount of support for this -- there have been differences found in structures like the corpus callosum, which is larger in women, and in spatial visualisation areas, which are larger in men.

If you look at the ultimately sad case of David Reimer , you'll find a lot of support for the idea that mental gender is indeed determined at birth and is not simply a matter of socialization. That is, if you raise a boy as though he were a girl, he'll typically reject it.

Here's the thing, though: research suggests that in trans individuals the structural differences we see in the brain may more closely resemble the gender they associate with. In the brain, the trans woman might actually physically be a woman.

And it makes perfect sense -- one thing we know about delicate systems is that due to variation, it's almost an inevitability that two things (brain sex and bodily sex) will occasionally be mismatched.

This doesn't really qualify as a "mental illness" in a standard sense -- you can't really treat it very well with just psychology, and it's from birth, not trauma.

People who rely on judgements like "trans women can't have children" are failing to realize they're setting up what amounts to a temporary justification. Transition technology was terrible 20 years ago. It's better today, and will improve. Fairly soon it may be impossible to tell the difference, especially if you allow for women that may be infertile or not experience periods. As it progresses further and trans individuals do not need constant hormone treatments, relying on cell DNA tests to determine if they're XX or XY will seem much more specious.

21Cowboy21 · Accepted Answer

I don't personnally care what someone chooses to want to be identified as.

But I do need to be informed ahead of time if they are expecting to date someone who may not expect them to be trans.

If a man is dating "carly" and on date number 2 wanting to get hot and heavy - the man has a right I feel to not have to be concerned about reaching down a down feeling carly's penis - and only then finding out "carly" used to be a carl - and that carl can never have kids. It would be wildly inappropriate to the partner not to let them know way in adv of even date number 1 if they know they are trans and the partner does not.

Vice versa if genders are flipped. Same goes if someone is gay and not yet figured it out yet but does know deep down - imagine being the female three years into marriage with a kid - then your spouse only then says they're gay - or only then tells you they're trans - apart from being decietful to them - that could seriously fuck someones life up permenently.

AmyHew1tt · Accepted Answer

It's funny how society allows trans women to be 'real women,' but  actual  biological women are chest-feeders and birthing people. Go liberalism for taking us into another form of female oppression, and putting free tampon dispensers in male bathrooms👍

Daniela1982 · Accepted Answer

How many times is this going to be asked? This must be the 100th time this year so far.

TheVigilantFox · Answer

No, because they’re not,

A real woman has ovaries a womb and a vagina a trans woman has none of that.

A real woman can breastfeed her baby a trans woman cannot.

A real woman can give birth a trans woman cannot.

A real woman has periods a trans woman does not.

A real woman doesn’t need surgeries and hormones to be a woman because she is a woman.

So no a trans woman is not a real woman like a trans man isn’t a real man.

Lliam · Answer

Oh for fuck's sake. The answer is unquestionably no.

Only through the "miracle of modern science", through drugs and plastic surgery, can a person be made to "look like" the opposite sex. The medical and pharma industries are making money by encouraging the fiction of "trans".

People to medically transition are basically wearing permanent costumes.

But science can't change a person's DNA, bone structure or reproductive organs.
Does any "trans" man have ovaries, uterus, or a functioning vagina? Can they get pregnant or nurse?

Sexual dysphoria isn't a physical problem. It's all mental.

burlen · Answer

Trans women are individuals who were assigned male at birth but identify and live as women. Gender identity is a deeply personal aspect of one's self-understanding and can be different from the sex assigned at birth.

It's important to respect a person's gender identity and to use the name and pronouns that they prefer. Using the right pronouns and name is a basic way of showing respect and supporting the individual's self-understanding.

In general, it's best to treat everyone with dignity, respect, and understanding, regardless of their gender identity.

loveslongnails · Answer

In order to avoid the usual brouhaha with definitions, we'd have to agree on certain terms. If you're born with a functional reproductive system that can birth a human being, do we agree your biological sex is "female"? Ok, let's say that's a yes. Now the problem - do we agree all females are women, for terminologies sake? If not, we can't answer the question as posed.

So, if we re-word it " are trans females real females", then I can answer "no" because you were not born with a reproductive system capable of birthing.

crossdressingrihno · Answer

Trans women aren’t women.
Trans men aren’t men.

I don’t care if they identify that way or not as long as they force others to be involved in their own personal fantasies.
My big problems are with sports and bathrooms. I guess adding “trans bathrooms” would help a bit though. Theirs been assaults in bathrooms because predators are basically being allowed to enter the bathrooms of the opposite sex. Clearly that needs to stop.

SnowedIn · Answer

First, I agree with @daniela1982 that we're asking this again? Feels as often as penis size questions.

But, no. Their birth chromosomes remain unchanged. They can have surgery, hormones, clothes, etc., but that doesn't make them that thing. If I paint a marble pattern on a concrete wall, it doesn't make the wall marble.

inhua · Answer

according to feminists, they are real women congrats to Brien Nguyen as the latest Miss America if you say otherwise, you're a sexist/misogynist/incel/transphobe/racist etc.

BCRanger10 · Answer

No, because if one has to preface a woman's being a woman by specifying that "she" is "trans", then what that indicates is a different type of "woman" that is distinct from what a true woman actually is. The so-called "woman" in question is constitutionally a man. If a woman were actually a woman, we wouldn't have to identify her as "trans". She would simply be a woman.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Maybe not 100% but close enough, as long as they've had bottom surgery done.
I don't much cater to a guy CLAIMING he's a woman or just dressing in women's clothes as giving a guy the right to use the women's bathroom or locker room!! IF he is PLANNING to get SRS and is presenting as female for the previous few years AND ON HORMONES for the previous year or two then, yes, (s) he SHOULD be allowed in the women's rooms. THOSE aren't the people you have to worry about!! They aren't interested in getting a cheap free look, beating off or raping someone!!

Jaylenn · Answer

My dad said they were called Transvestites'. or TV's, or a "dude in a dress." I am a woman, I can produce children. I was born with a WOMB, hence the term WOMEN.

Pegases · Answer

This is such a silly debate. Identify as whatever you want to identify as, but stop trying to change a reality that none of us can change. Some things just are, such as women can have babies, and men cannot. Your reality does not change biology, but it also doesn't mean that you don't have a right to become whatever you want to become. Those two things can exist, if people that are trans would stop trying to force their realities onto other people. Just be what you want to be.

TheorionMage · Answer

Trans-women are more Trans-Trans-actively engaged in fulfilling Society's promulgated stereotype of what a 'woman' is and doesTrans-actively engaged , to  merit being granted  what they believe that they desire as ' female privilege'~

Caramelpie · Answer

Trans men will never be real women and trans girls will NEVER be men so get over yourselves people and see the reality in front of you instead of being brainwashed by media and their fake poor supporting society.

ChillaxingLove · Answer

we need to stop aiding in others mental destruction through laws and unfair treatment of actual real women. If you desire to be trans that’s your decision but don’t hinder other peoples’ freedom by special treatment. Trans women say they’re for women while also destroying real women spaces how ironic. No, trans women aren’t real women it maybe hard for some to accept but the truth hurts.

DubiousIntentions · Answer

So are Real Dolls then. This one talks. All it needs is your choice of a realistic body.

HighValue · Answer

No. Only ignorant, delusional people would think that.

serious_miss419 · Answer

When u get all of these things; have a regular period cycle, born with boobs, can carry a baby in the stomach, give birth, go through menopause- just to name a few; then you’re a real women.

Soteris · Answer

"Women" is a social construct, there never was such a thing so saying one is more "real" than the other is a pointless exercise.

Berethor · Answer

Obviously no, someone who born a male is a male, and real women can give birth.

jshm2 · Answer

They wouldn't need to be called transwomen, if they were women, dumbass.

In_Trance · Answer

Nope

D_Bone_Steak · Answer

No. They're the product of drugs, surgeries, and make-believe. They were not born producing eggs and they never will produce a single egg.

MoodyJazz · Answer

Honestly not in my opinion but they can do and call themselves whatever they want I don't care. Everybody just mind their own business and the world would be a better place...

NewsReader · Answer

If you were born as a biological man then you will forever be a man. Period.

Anonymous · Answer

As a smart old Jedi said "Do or do not there is no try" What the hell is Real, there woman or not woman, there is no real Anyway this was asked waaaaay too many times

AngryCarl2 · Answer

No, it's manifestly incorrect. I can't ignore facts to save someone's feelings.

NostalgiaSenpi · Answer

I try to treat them with dignity and respect. I will call you a woman, but I will not date you as it's not my preference. That's sort of thing.

Surely · Answer

When “not my president “ picks a “female looking” person to serve on the Supreme Court. That cannot give her definition of what a woman is. Heaven help us!

Fuentes · Answer

No because if you were born a male & claim your trans you're just a male just playing dress up, now.

Dargil · Answer

No, they are mentally ill gender dysphorics.

AviatorTom · Answer

I have no idea what "real woman" means.

Anonymous · Answer

I don't agree. I watch Blaire White on YouTube and is one of the few trans people that has any common sense. I definitely agree with most of what Blaire says.

Mayo503 · Answer

All depends on if they had the op …  Then you can think is it…? But that’s a hard question but everyone to themselves….

SpokenTruth · Answer

Is this some sort of an IQ test? Of course they aren't women never will they be.

Tomisworthless · Answer

What even is a woman? If you can get sex changes, or even declare to be a woman then there is no ideal of what womanhood is.

notwoke · Answer

sorry, I voted yes by reading it wrong. I DONT agree. cutting off your wiener doesn't make you a woman, it makes you an idiot who cut off his wiener

SmokinAces2000 · Answer

Not from a biological standpoint but I’ll be respectful to their “identity” as it has no affect on my life and they aren’t hurting anyone

DARKCLOUD1945X · Answer

until every bit of male DNA is removed a male to female is still a male. And vise versa

Pete671 · Answer

I don't know but a woman with a functioing penis is really hot to me,,,

LimitedBenefits101 · Answer

Only fools agree with that They are men in womens clothes

Keishio · Answer

If trans women were real women we'd just call them women

Theonlyolympian · Answer

It’s in the name “trans” they transitioned into women so no

msc545 · Answer

The depends on the definition of "real" in this context.

Anonymous · Answer

Of course they're real women. Why would they not be?

Anonymous · Answer

No.. They are wearing a real woman's biology as a costume. They are mentally ill no more no less.

sheenagwapa · Answer

no but i treat them as real women

Cubus · Answer

Of course not.

Anonymous · Answer

They are Transwoman not a real woman. T R A N S W O M A N W O M A N W O M A N

gorydetails · Answer

No, they are men pretending to be women.

BeMuse · Answer

Trans is slang for fake. That is all.

Anonymous · Answer

No. Trans women are trans women.

Anonymous · Answer

Leave them alone already

Exterminatore · Answer

Nope.

Sabretooth · Answer

I see them as different.

Anonymous · Answer

Not in my opinion.

Pterodon · Answer

Fuck no

DaveToo · Answer

No vagina, no woman.

LiamJHayden · Answer

Nope.

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