Are humans going to keep increasing their lifespan each generation?

[Anonymous]

I mean that one day, average life expectancy will go up to 120 years or later to 200 years. What do you think?

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yes.

Humans used to die at around 30, and looked like today's 90 year olds. Today, the average is 90, and oldest live to about 130, and they only die because their health is poor at 90/130, the same reason people died at 30.

Humans have indeterminent/indefinite lifespans. We only age or die from health problems, when you remove the risk each problem happenening, and cure the problems that do happen, you reduce the risk of aging and death, and often reverse aging, and we are already close to removing almost all of the problems.

Most types of injury/aging are reversable as well and how to do do is understood already.

Society is usually about 3 or 4 decades behind the science though, so when scientists figure out x thing is bad or good, it takes about that long for non nerds to catch up with the information, and in contrast, us nerds sometimes figure something out long before its officially tested or published in science papers.

I already know how to reach 200, my current habits/lifestyle are going to get me past that age by quite a bit.

Once you realize aging is only from disease, your only lifespan limit is your current health. And there is no limit to how long you can maintain said health.

[Soteris]

It is not impossible but no. Evolution does not work like that and we also die from external causes as well. It is a very complicated answer but ill boil it down to a few reasons why not.

First of all, death is beneficial for the species. Past generations die to give room for newer ones which allows evolution to fine tune each generation to become better adapted to living under the current circumstances. As such, for evolution to extend your life beyond the point where you have children it must get some kind of benefit from it like how elderly people used to be able to guide younger generations to make better decisions. Suffice to say, this is no longer really relevant today.

Secondly, Life expectancy itself is not really the most important thing. For example, you are only really going to live for about 100 years or so until you are statistically likely to suffer a lethal accident of some kind and die regardless.

Lastly, there is a way this can happen, either by pure incredible luck.. or by our own intervention. We could by using todays technology modify ourselves to live longer and longer. Technically, this could go on "forever" until some apocalyptic event.

[TheSpaceGnome]

1. Aside from genetic disease, external factors sre the only things to age/kill a person.
2. I'd rather be immortal than benefit the species, I don't even want kids. So hard pass on your outlook.

[TheSpaceGnome]

are*

[Soteris]

@TheSpaceGnome
1: You are wrong. While there are certainly issues caused by damage that contribute to aging you also have a built in limitation on your ability to renew yourself. For example, your teeth. You only get one adult set of teeth where as nature can and has given teeth that regrows to other species that needs them. Why? Because you are not supposed to live long enough for it to become a problem.

There is also a bunch of built in failure points that evolution can and has solved before, and technically it is at fault for implementing in the first place but is there and will degrade and stop your body from working after a certain time such as the length of your telomere or the oxygen absorption capacity in your muscles.

You are living on a clock and evolution expects you to die after you fulfill your role to have children.

2: You dont have a choice in this matter. It is evolution and natural selection that made you into who you are and they only care about the propagation of the species, not the individual. This is not about an outlook but about facts.

[TheSpaceGnome]

That is incorrect, there is NOT a built in limit on the human body's ability to renew itself.

For examples:
Teeth remineralize through diet, so adult teeth can be maintained indefinitely.
Telomeres can regrow even after they have completely degraded through diet, in fact they normally degrade and are replaced.
Muscles to not have a set number of times they can absorb oxygen.

I do have a choice, aging is proven reversable, but your understanding of how the body works is wrong.

[Soteris]

@TheSpaceGnome Even though you are wrong, I dont even care about your argument because it is stupid. Tell me a single person who has lived life according to your examples. It is not realistic and I dare say it is "inhuman" to expect such a thing. As such, you can argue for things that never happened if you want, even though they are still wrong, but that does not change how very clearly our bodies are designed to degrade over a normal life.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I'm not wrong, you are. I've already proven to myself aging is reversable.

That single person is me, though it's not JUST me, several university professors, stem researchers, and a small number of doctors and dentists agreed with me on this topic.

Bodies are designed to degrade and rebuild in cycles, ignoring half that cycle makes you stupid.

[Soteris]

@TheSpaceGnome Ah, yes. Aging is reversible. Congratulations on being the literally first person in the world to discover this, since again, everyone else has died like clockwork.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yeah I'm pretty happy about figuring it out. first time for everything (first car. first airplane, first microchip, first computer, first gps, first video game, first cartoon, and well, pretty much every single scientific discovery or invention, because you know, thats how science works)

I'm probably not the first to notice aging is reversable though, maybe like within the first 2,000 people? I can only guess.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Also everyone hasn't died, there are roughly 8 billion people who are very much still alive.

[Soteris]

@TheSpaceGnome Arguably, living is just the process of dying. And again, if it was so simple we would have figured it out already.

[TheSpaceGnome]

No, living is the struggle against dying. And no, its not simple, its complicated, and most people are incredibly stupid and self harming.

For example, most people don't even know drinking alcohol ruins their ability to digest food properly, let alone how long it takes to fix it.

They also don't know how much of any nutient they need, or what chemicals are safe or unsafe.
Even most "experts" tend to argue with eachother about it. Half of the sens researchers think we can live forever, the other half thinks cells operate in a body the same way they do in a plastic dish (despite not having access to the rest of the body to replenish itself, which is where the myth of limited cell replication came from)

Not only are most people extremely ignorant of how any of their body parts work with other parts, but they also do things like smoke, or inhale gas fumes often, or don't drink enough water, or eat garbage.

99% of people cause themselves harm, even if tryng to be healthy, because they are ignorant and buy into bullshit claims, or they simply just don't care (the latter of which is more common), and the 0.01% who don't self harm, aren't often smart enough to figure stuff like this out.

People are too misinformed to understand simple, let alone complex.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Most people don't even know how their electronic devices work despite using them daily, and thats far simpler than self care.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Instead what we end up with is the rare mom who looks as young as the daughter thats half her age, and she can't tell you how she did it, because she does not know what it is that she's doing to stay healthier than most. My exception, is that I CAN tell people how I did it. But it would take a 5 years to explain it all. You can't learn this any faster than most college courses.

[Soteris]

@TheSpaceGnome Yeah.. You are self deluded. Congratulations.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Funny thing is, it works, and you understanding it, isn't a condition for that.

Have fun being ignorant. I'm not going to stop doing what works just because some random dude on the internet has no clue what he's talking about.

[Soteris]

@TheSpaceGnome As someone who enjoys science, I am perfectly happy with speaking with authority on subjects I do not understand. Understanding is not actually required to prove the existence of something. If what you say is true then there would be random people living much longer than others which can't be explained by simple luck or them keeping in good mental and physical health. Fact is that there are no such anomalies thus what you say can't exist.

[Ms_Facesitter]

We're going to be needing a new covid to keep that under control.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Nah, immortality for the win.

[abc3643]

No. Scientists are beginning to realize that there is essentially a finite age limit for humans and that's somewhere between 125 and 150 they think. The verified-oldest human ever was a French woman who died at age 122 in 1997. Science and better medicine and health practices are extending the average lifespan, but, eventually, it all starts to go and that's it.

Besides, the older you get, the more you understand that it's right to go and that you want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLHEI8MlMghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YbVsEhNuT0

[BCA6010]

Not likely to happen, actually. Humans especially in developed countries are getting physically weaker, and immune systems are also getting weaker, with more widespread allergies, and other compounding health problems that shoving pills don't solve. While there will probably be more people living to older ages like 100-120, there's going to be at least as many if not more dying younger.

[Guy13]

We deteriorate over time rather than strengthen so your best years are early and this is why Family early is usually better.

[DryGermanGuy]

Just as information, American life expectancy is regressive, due to record numbers of obesity, diabetes and painkiller abuse. The million dead due to Covid deniers/anti-vaxxers also did not help the statistics.

[TheSpaceGnome]

People in the US are actually healthier on average than previous generations, and most people here are not obese. Covid cases are actually far smaller in number than has been reported for here, as doctors get paid extra per reported case, and most cases of covid had no serious symptoms and were more mild than the common strains of influenza.

[DryGermanGuy]

Quote:
„Life expectancy at birth in the United States declined nearly a year from 2020 to 2021, according to new provisional data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). That decline – 77.0 to 76.1 years – took U. S. life expectancy at birth to its lowest level since 1996. The 0.9 year drop in life expectancy in 2021, along with a 1.8 year drop in 2020, was the biggest two-year decline in life expectancy since 1921-1923.“

www.cdc.gov/.../20220831.htm

[SaoirseS]

@DryGermanGuy. I agree, and I'm seeing it now, albeit on a small scale. Life expectancy calculations are based on all manners (not just causes) of death, so that includes suicides, homicides, and accidental deaths. But even if just natural causes alone were just counted, I think life expectancy would still be regressive. The ages of my death cases (all natural causes) in the past two weeks: 40, 41, 68, 72, 38, 79, 55, 69, 11, 64, 33, and 77.

[NamerOfStars]

A disease with an IFR of 0.3% (less than such brutal killers as, say, chicken pox) would need to infect a billion Americans to cause a million fatalities- and Covid only rates that high by using the CDC's "dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test is automatically Covid death" standard, which is not applied to any other disease or cause of death. Also, even WITH that, the average age of a Covid death is 78, which is above the life expectancy for both men and women here.

You can't say the same of myocarditis.

Medical testing standards exist for a REASON, and ignoring them is going to kill a lot more people- and cost us a helluva lot more life-years- than Covid ever could've.

[TheSpaceGnome]

The CDC is not an accurate source of information.

[DryGermanGuy]

The CDC/NIH are #the# accurate sources of information to begin with. Not your average conspiracy nutjob on Qanon. If you have trouble understanding that, there is little use of explaining it.

[TheSpaceGnome]

There have been a large number of claims the CDC has made that have been proven to be false.

No organization full of a large number of people is going to give accurate claims all the time, and expecting them to is absurd. They are just people, and most people are not geniuses, let alone ones who are right all the time.

Not questioning or researching the validity of a claim just because x person said it, is retarded.

[BCRanger10]

At this point, I'll be amazed if more than a handful of people in my generation even live to the same age as their parents and grandparents.

[AngryCarl2]

No, eventually life expectancy will max out due to external factors such as pollution, famine, lack of healthcare etc. Life expectancy is already falling in "troubled" developed countries such as USA and UK.

[TheSpaceGnome]

life expectancy is actually going up, gen z and end of gen millenials tend to have much better overall health. Pollution has been around since the earth formed but has lessened since 20 years ago, the body has systems to filter toxins.

Famine isn't going to happen anymore in developed countries, too many backup plans, too much importing, too many farms, too many seed banks, preservatives, etc.

Healthcare has been improving overtime, whats not improving is the number of doctors, but good healthcare involves avoiding the need to see a doctor anyway.

People today are overmedicated, have too many doctor appointments, take too many avoidable risks and eat too much. So decline in health is usually self inflicted.

[Grond21]

Eventually. but with the coming difficulties and significance starvation, human life expectancy is going to continue to decrease for at least 20 years.

[Anonymous]

The mass culls over the next few decades will address most of the problems probably see people at 120 tops without artificial extensions

[LimitedBenefits101]

The lifespan is decreasing not increasing