How did liberals get brainwashed into being warmongers?

[CALIGVLA]

They want war with Russia.

They want war with China. https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/03/09/america-and-china-are-preparing-for-a-war-over-taiwan

They want war with Iran. https://theintercept.com/2023/03/01/us-israel-iran-war/

There's no difference between liberals and neoconservatives these days and day after day it's more obvious that the world doesn't need liberals.

Why do we need them? To do the same thing establishment conservatives do plus woke shit?

[Avicenna]

I don't think leftists want war with China. They see China as a partner and a role model and are more likely to want China's help in eradicating their domestic opponents.

Many of them do want war with Russia. Russia is an acceptable country for them to want to destroy- it's perceived as a "white country", it has a huge fossil fuels sector and it doesn't want to implement the Left's social agenda. When it was part of the Communist Soviet Union, hardcore leftists of the sort we see today LOVED Russia.

These leftists are not volunteering themselves and fellow leftists for war with Russia- they intend to send rubes from flyover country to be cannon fodder.

[CALIGVLA]

Your analysis is on point overall. My only addition is that they definitely want war with China too. It's clear that libs want to enforce the woke upon everyone anywhere in the world. When it comes to Asia, they're actually doing it in Japan and South Korea, they're even promoting a version of CRT "adapted" to those societies, with Filipinos and Japanese Latinos being the "oppressed minorities." On the other hand, China is very hostile to the woke agenda overall.

[Avicenna]

I agree that they want to push their insane agenda everywhere. However, there is too much evidence of them seeing China as a partner rather than a society to dominate. The CCP has China too locked down for the Left's usual tactics in pushing their agenda.

[Anonymous]

It isn’t astonishing isn’t it? The same people who protested Vietnam...

... who protested Iraq

are now the biggest cheerleaders for the military-industrial complex, arms manufacturers, and write blank checks for foreign wars.

[genericname85]

liberals are sensitive to moral imperatives. that's why. their sense of "fairness" and "protectiveness" gets abused to make them agree to war.

[MrOracle]

True, but at the top, it's all about money and power. Wars mean an incredible amount of taxpayer dollars are spent (usually borrowed with taxpayers obligated to pay it back with interest), which means there is AMPLE opportunity for theft and corruption, and where even those with legit control of the money gain tremendous power and influence.

That's why both the left and the NeoCons are pro-war. The left manipulates their followers with "fairness" and "saving the planet" and the NeoCons use patriotism, but both are manipulating regular people into support for things that are very against their own best interests.

It's the moderates and libertarians who oppose war, and unfortunately there aren't enough of them. There's just too much money and power in wars that most people in charge never want the wars to end.

And here's a secret: THAT is the main reason that Trump saw so much opposition, even from within the Republican party. Trump is anti-war, and without wars, there just aren't enough opportunities for power and massive money theft for the ruling class - and THAT could not be tolerated.

[genericname85]

of course at the top it's all about money and power. but the people on top aren't the ones dying in a war. that's why they manipulate the people to do that.

[genericname85]

people who aren't "on top" keep forgetting that "government" isn't their friend at all.

[MrOracle]

Indeed.

I have tremendous respect and I support the front-line military - it's not like they get to choose when and where they go or what they do - but in my opinion they've spent the last 30 years being involved in wars that were completely unnecessary, and that's solidly the fault of political leaders on BOTH sides of the aisle.

[CALIGVLA]

OP and @MrOracle, very intelligent discussion, you've made very good points.

[gorydetails]

They want the WEF Globalist New World order. War is a good way to bring in more controls and erode more rights.

[CALIGVLA]

If the WEF tells liberals that shoving glass cullets up their own butts is the right thing to do, I wouldn't be surprised if most of those liberals do it and get mad at anyone who says it's retarded and that they shouldn't do it. These people have no critical thinking at all

[exitseven]

Big military contractors are all in bed with democrat politicians and RINOs. We go to war and they all get rich. They get rich, our kids get killed and the taxpayers are on the hook.

[OddBeMe]

We do? I’m pretty sure we’re asking for sanctions and sending arms to Ukraine. That sounds like us staying out of a war.

Why do Right Wingers support the Kremlin? Because Trump does? He’s financially obligated sweetheart.

[CALIGVLA]

Right wingers support Kremlin? Are you using drugs again? Lindsey Graham and his ilk are openly calling for war with Russia and China. And lots of you liberals agree with them.

[OddBeMe]

I haven’t seen that clip of Lindsey calling for war. But Trump folk would apparently “rather be Russian than Democrat”…
https://ibb.co/zXLptVL

[Anonymous]

You realize you can just say that you hate women and LGBT people right? Like, this bending over backwards to discredit a proxy is painfully transparent.

[CALIGVLA]

Did you forget to take your meds again? Are you okay or do you need medical help?

[Anonymous]

How did they get brainwashed? lol They believe absolutely ANYTHING they hear on MSNBC and CNN.

[ChefPapiChulo]

I thought you weren’t from America?

[Anonymous]

They have been since time immemorial