How is it legal for Hooters to only hire women as waiters?

[CateM]

It sounds like discrimination to me

[Effably]

Discrimination isn't illegal. Discrimination also is not inherently bad.

Coupons for elderly and students are both examples of discrimination. However it is done right. It presents an extra hurdle and helps a group that often needs it while being too bothersome for otjer groups to want to engage with. Perhaps the most functional example we have.

But the bullet point is that discrimination is not strictly illegal. Of course you're focusing on hiring practicies and I do understand your argument. Principles are important.

As a principle the core is that they are hiring for a task that requires a certain skillset. This skillset is possessed nesr exclusively by one sex. We may end up having more active debates about these things given the times.

A warehouse isn't accused for hiring primarily or almost exclusively men if the task requires heavy repeated manual labour. The issue only arise if a suitable candidate appears. Not many men can convincingly sell Hooters franchise idea, and not all that many want to.

Although I think it would be pretty hilarious to have some guys try it.

[jjj101010]

Discrimination is illegal in some countries

[Effably]

I see your point and perhaps I should have been more clear!

Discrimination as a practice is not illegal. Discrimination is core to anything. We discriminate based on experience and education when hiring for a job for example.

Discriminating based on sex, origin and race is often illegal. But it is illegal on the basis that the discrimination happens due to that criteria. If instead we're hiring employees for an all-female gym it is not wrong to discriminate based on sex. Because the discrimination that is taking place is focused on what we provide. My point ultimately being that Hooters are discriminating based on the criteria their employees need to meet. Not based on sex. These criteria happen to overlap with sex. But because discrimination in itself is not illegal that remains allowed and a legitimate practice.

Was this more coherent? Thanks for poking me when I rambled too much incoherently.

[razelove]

Ha, I remember making more money doing prep because very few women had the tip money concentrated their way, while a lot of the other guys were trying so hard to get the waitresses to sleep with them.

Regardless, if you had ugly girls, much less guys as the bartenders and waitresses the business model would fall apart. Just like if you had salesman for chemical companies and the specific testing equipment for QA/QC they require switch from taking the clients to bars and strip clubs all of the sudden being PC it'd hurt business (with the only saving grace being the per diem expenses).

[jennifer_bloom]

I think gender is a rational basis for employment exclusion because you would not want a male chaperone at an all girls school or a woman at a male military facility. People are not angels, they are capable of doing bad things and there are certain jobs where one gender is more appropriate then another so they cannot legislate laws banning gender demands in employee choice.

[DizzyDesii]

They hire men as cooks and women as waitresses. Sounds fair to me 🤷‍♀️

[DizzyDesii]

I don't know how y'all hooters works, but we order to go wings and the male cooks be fckin the girls in the back storage room while we wait for our order 🤷‍♀️ Pretty unsanitary but still very fair in terms of hiring

[Jamie05rhs]

Omg.

[DizzyDesii]

@Jamie05rhs yepp

[ratking63]

It's not discrimination. Since it's inception, the brand of hooters was the beautiful waitress in orange shorts and a tank top. The "hooters" brand is pretty close to "breasts", even looking at the logo so it makes sense. Kind of a traditional thing I guess

That being said, many franchise owners are men, and I'm pretty sure the kitchen staff isn't all women (can't say for sure tho)

In short, its not discriminatory. It's just a restaurant keeping traditions alive.

[KostasKouvalis]

That's a good point. Private companies don't have to abide by the Consitution if it's straight White men being discriminated against.

In all seriousness, it's their brand, but that's still a good point

[FunkyMonkee]

They don't. They hire them as waitresses.
Besides, most guys don't look that good in pantyhose, short shorts, a ripped t-shirt and a push-up bra.

[FunkyMonkee]

They want people to come in to eat repeatedly, not to come in, eat and throw up never to come back again.
https://youtu.be/-zFK3a2QZaw

[Anonymous]

is a local pub here that does that too , its never had any male bar tenders or servers for as long as i can remember so for years. i don't know if any have ever applied or what the story is but they only seem to hire attractive younger women

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Companies aren't obligated to hire anyone they don't desire to work for them.

Hooters is predominantly a sports bar to attract men to go there and look at women as their waiters, not other dudes.

[humanearth]

Don't you mean waitress,

Do you really want to see a man in Hooters outfit to wait tables?

[exitseven]

You have a good point. The wayn things are going today they might be forced to hire transexuals then the place will go out of business.

[DarkLegacy]

Yes it is discrimination and I've noticed that only women get hired as receptionists. I have actually never known a male receptionist

[Ryfyle]

Applebees has a contractual obligation and monopoly on gay men, Hooters legally can't dip in on that market. 73% of men eat at Hooters before committing suicide.

[VikingWarLord]

If they start hiring dudes, I'll never go there again

[Ptrmbrs88]

You mean waitresses. It's because men don't have hooters, they're flat-chested.

[jjj101010]

I guess it depends on where it is and what the law is

[MementoMori777]

Well the women apply tho lol