Isn't this such a sad reality?

[Smashingdoozy]

[stepyo99]

Women are much less physically capable of defending themselves and generally have an aversion to the best personal protective item out there: a firearm, so it makes sense that there is a market of alternatives that advertise to women.

What's a sad reality is how unappreciative women are that there is thousands of men out there who have designed, manufactured, and sold these items to women because they care about their safety and well-being. Instead we have to listen to feminists whine about how "muh patriarchy" makes these items necessary or some nonsense.

[Siri137]

You can't just walk down the street with a firearm. That's illegal.

[stepyo99]

@Siri137 Maybe in New Zealand, but in the United States it's legal.

[BCA6010]

I actually tried this, except for women almost ALL results were personal alarms. Otherwise it turned out pretty accurate.

Google search algorithms are based entirely on consumer trends. When men are looking for "safety," it's in the context of a workplace most of the time, so reflector vests, sunglasses, and boots are pretty universal. For women however, it tends to look at trends, and assumes it means safety in the context of personal security. It's unfortunate that a handheld alarm is pretty worthless yet that's the significant majority of the search results.

[Agape93]

Yeap. But as guys are quick to say, BuT wE GoTtA pAy ChIlD sUpPoRt

[Nikki1989]

Yes, the world is scary, especially for women.

[HighValue]

FAR more men are attacked/victims of violence than women. About 82% of victims are men in the USA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html

[Leapfrog00]

Ha, and people wonder why society is so wacked. I could image if their were little difference but those items are complete opposites! Around where I live, both girls and guys should at least carry pepper spray because you can get mugged like crazy here. It's so bad, there's only one pizza place, and it's a dominos, and when the pizza dude or gal comes to deliver, you have to meet them at their car. They will NOT come to your door, lol. I'd hate to depend on that list for men's safety items here because it would do nothing! lol

[Levin]

Sadly, men can just be creeps in general.

I've had gay guys hit on me at gigs and at clubs. And I don't mean hit on, ie coming up behind me and kissing me. The guy was lucky not to get his teeth smashed in.

However, I think men are far more likely to be general victims of male violence and aggression. And sadly I've been a victim of that on quite a few occasions. Just cause you're a man, it doesn't mean you are safe.

I think women have it a lot easier in a lot of regards, and people are just generally a lot more sympathetic to women in general.

So I don't know why you words these things in a sort of antagonistic men versus women way.

[ManOnFire]

I'm going to assume that what you take issue with on the women's items is the image it is trying to give that women are constant victims or perpetually endangered by men, so that we will view men as a violent threat that we need to protect women from.

[Smashingdoozy]

Protect? No. Take preventative measures absolutely.

[ManOnFire]

That's white-feminism for ya.

[Jersey2]

Many men have dangerous jobs and they are also the majority of victims of violent crime. Many women do not have dangerous jobs in comparison but they are often targeted for sexual assault where men are not. So the results make sense by sex for the most common items needed. No it isn’t sad.

[richardcory]

OK, this is a problem. Search engines may just be mimicking what people search for, but its still a problem.

[Smashingdoozy]

Definitely. Search engines are algorithm based. The fact that women feel so unsafe they want a variety of self defense tools is sad

[richardcory]

Yes its really unfortunate.

[msc545]

we get killed by guns and other men and industrial equipment. You don't do the sort of dangerous things men do.

[Smashingdoozy]

Yeh we just get killed by men. No biggie.

[msc545]

Sometimes. Not nearly as often as we do.

[Smashingdoozy]

I believe it's about 58% of women homicide victims are killed by their own partner

[msc545]

Not surprising.

[zagor]

But most homicide victims are male.

[Smashingdoozy]

@zagor I'm not talking about that.

[msc545]

Men being murdered doesn't count?

[Smashingdoozy]

Never said that. I was just stating a fact

[msc545]

Your omission speaks for itself

[Smashingdoozy]

No it doesn't. I outwardly and often speak about men's issues and how toxic masculinity is killing men. This post is in particular about women.

[msc545]

I must have missed all your posts about supporting men.

[Smashingdoozy]

Yeah... Gag isn't life

[msc545]

point to you

[Pohjolan]

Your ads are personalised.

Also women are not that interested in working in construction or in heavy industries and men are more able to defend themselves as it is.

[NathanDavis]

this graph would be a bit different down here in Mexico... the one for men's though

[Anonymous]

And yet men are significantly more likely to be victims or assault and violence.

Stop being a "victim". You're not helping yourself or anyone else.

[Opinion Owner]

of* assault

[Smashingdoozy]

Yeah men really have some issues we should probably do something about how violent men are.

[Opinion Owner]

What men?

[Smashingdoozy]

The ones commiting these acts. Obviously.

[Opinion Owner]

The vast majority of men are not committing those acts, and in fact more men than women are victims of those crimes. So why do you try so hard to make this about gender? Why do women like you love to divide men and women and pit them against each other on issues like this? I already know the answer, I'm just wondering if you will have the honesty to admit it.

[NamerOfStars]

No, it's three, and two extremely popular delusions.

[StormMistress]

Society is Fked. What more can be said honestly.

[AviatorTom]

Excellent point. It would interesting to see a similar post of Men's Toys vs Women's Toys.

[Babygirl_S]

Yes women have to protect themselves from being raped. Men are physically stronger than women so they don't feel as threatened sexually.

[andreasderjuengere]

You mean ''blue background'' for boys, and ''pink background'' for girls?

[Anonymous]

What? That it's sad reality how little physical labor women actually do? I never really thought about it. If women don't want to work that's thier prerogative.

[mommymommymommy]

But how many women do you really see working constructions jobs

[Smashingdoozy]

How many men do you see getting snatched off the street

[mommymommymommy]

In Ukraine I'm sure it's happening a lot right now, it its war against russia

[Andres77]

It is and I'm training my daughters as well as I can.

[PokieBalls05]

I would say its clearly an representation of how men and women operate differently in society. Males are far more likely to take on more strenuous and physically demanding work.

[Bklynbadboy12]

But it's not sad cause all of those items are interchangeable

[Smashingdoozy]

Sure. But women use safety keychain items far more than men.

[Bklynbadboy12]

True but I think that's because they have to cause most time whatever safety concerns they have just happened to be another person who's bigger and stronger

[Snakeyes7]

I dunno. I'd imagine getting kicked with steel toed boot probably wouldn't feel that great.

[OddBeMe]

Good meme, and true. Too many crime shows about murdered women.

[MementoMori777]

Yea I don't see a gun up there tho

[Smashingdoozy]

Because guns are more likely to be used against you.

[MementoMori777]

I'm going to kindly disagree with you on that 🙂

[Smashingdoozy]

It's not an opinion it's a studied fact.

[MementoMori777]

For women perhaps 😶

[BoopBoopBeep]

I've used a gun far more times than one has been used against me. Respectfully refute any validity to that overall, certainly none "agaist me."

[MementoMori777]

I'm saying bro 😂

[BoopBoopBeep]

I mean that must be some hard core propaganda there. I know seven women that have used their fireams at least once. Eight if you want to go back to people I work with but don't hang out with outside of work. I don't know any that have had their firearms used against them. Where is this study I'd love to see their methodology and definitions.

[Smashingdoozy]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9125010/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1635092/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1588718/
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15066882/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10619696/
www.gvpedia.org/.../...reen-Logo-April-16-2020.pdf
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0091743515001188

[MementoMori777]

California, it all makes sense now

[BoopBoopBeep]

Haha, they're all including suicides. Yeah... yeah guns in suicides are being used against the user. For sure. You're absolutely right.

[Smashingdoozy]

Tell me you didn't read the studies without telling me..

[PokieBalls05]

@BoopBoopBeep She is also ignoring this happens largely in democratic controlled regions with heavy firearm restrictions. Not to mention most of these studies clearly state they couldn't find an actual credible source to validate their perspective.

She also ignores a reality that many of these studies prove.
They show a very small proportion of victims of crimes used firearms in self defense. Therefore, the argument is that "firearms don't protect people"
However, the point of having a firearm is to prevent a crime from happening, in other words to force the perpetrator in reconsidering their actions, prior to actually committing it.
This is why many of the crimes committed are against individuals WITHOUT a firearm.

[MementoMori777]

Exactly, I do agree with her with one thing tho, if you get your gun used against you, you shouldn't have one 😂

[BoopBoopBeep]

It's literally the first line of results:
Results: All cases (n = 266) were identified in the 3-county area, including 143 homicides and 123 suicides, during a 5-year period.

[PokieBalls05]

@mementomori777
Agreed!
Though the rest of her arguments are the types that I see all the time.
They are perfect examples of those that make sense on face value, but once you look into them, you realize they are pretty clueless.

When someone supplies "proof" of has firearms don't protect people, and provide studies that show how only 1% of victims used firearms in self defense (SDGU as in the study)..
Pretty clear to anyone with common sense it shows that criminals target those that are unarmed.
The point of a firearm is to be a deterrent, not to get into a shootout with a stranger. That is clearly the mentality of someone from the West or East Coast.

[MementoMori777]

Yea for sure, I tried to disagree with her but she threw the fact card smh

[PokieBalls05]

@BoopBoopBeep Exactly, and a statistic like that doesn't really prove her point?

[Smashingdoozy]

Y'all really just clicked on a random one of the links And decided you were only going to skim over one...

[PokieBalls05]

Oh no, did you accidentally send links that didn't prove your point? Our bad?

[PokieBalls05]

I mean lets be honest, its the same type of argument as saying
"Well stop lights and stop signs don't work, because people still get into accidents, and studies show that in most vehicle accidents, they are largely ignored"
Well, had better start pushing out legislation that removes these hazardous materials, because too many drivers are dying because of them.

The reality is likely close to drivers willingly ignoring the rules of the road? It also ignores the millions of others that follow those rules, and how they keep the roads generally clear of accidents.

The truth is the same for firearms, where we can recognize in these studies that MOST victims are unarmed, because of the fact a firearm is meant as a deterrent.
We have roughly 30,000 firearm related deaths each year, of which 2/3 are suicides.
This also ignores the reality the majority of these deaths are in inner city regions ran by democrat politics and policies meant to limit the use of firearms? Hopefully someone recognizes the irony of that fact?

[BoopBoopBeep]

Literally every study here is methodologically flawed to try to prove your point, except for the ones that don't even try, because they're arguing something else.

[Smashingdoozy]

"Instead of conferring protection, keeping a gun in the home is associated with increased risk of both suicide and homicide of women. "
"More than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using guns, knives, or any other means."
"Overall, firearm-associated FIAs were 12.0 times more likely to result in death than non-firearm-associated FIAs."
"In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves
during the incident"
"Self-defense gun use is rare; many of the reported self-defense gun uses seem to be armed confrontations."
"This small study provides some evidence that guns may be used at least as often by family members to frighten intimates as to thwart crime, and that other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns."

"FBI reports of active shooter incidents find that unarmed civilians stop more active shooters than armed
civilians"
" Domestic abuse is five times more likely to turn deadly if firearms are present in a home. A
case-control study comparing women killed by an intimate partner to women who had been battered but not
killed revealed that more than half of the homicide victims lived with a firearm in the home, while that was
true for only 16 percent of women who were abused but survived."
"Strong evidence shows that right-to-carry, permitless carry, stand-your-ground-laws and guns in
homes and communities are far more likely to cause death and injury to gun owners, their families, and the
community at large rather than prevent or stop a crime. "
"Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss."

The fact that I've had to do this is astonishing. You're all incapable of reading or creating a legitimate counter argument.

[PokieBalls05]

Oh yes, Guns don't keep people safe, especially in Democrat controlled Gun Free Zones.
What Propaganda. haha
You are not fooling anyone.

[Smashingdoozy]

@PokieBalls05 show me a study that shows otherwise then. Or are we just going off your "feelings" what was that saying again? Facts... Don't... Care... About? 🤔

[Smashingdoozy]

If you actually took the time to look at the studies there is one study that is specific to an area the rest are national and use the FBI database.

[PokieBalls05]

"Instead of conferring protection, keeping a gun in the home is associated with increased risk of both suicide and homicide of women. "
---- Yet, most Firearm owners do not murder their wives? So the idea that a Firearm in the house increases the chance of murder/homicide is a bit ridiculous. It is the old claim of "Having Dogs in the house don't protect you, because it increases your chance of being mauled by a Dog"
"More than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using guns, knives, or any other means."
-------- Obviously? Because most murders tend to be an individuals known, or close, in the same way that most car accidents take place close to home, because they is where most people drive?

[Smashingdoozy]

@PokieBalls05 you're ignoring my original point. Women are more likely to have a gun uses against them than use one in self defense. That is all I'm arguing you're just trying to find random little things to argue that are irrelevant to the discussion.

[BoopBoopBeep]

"Instead of conferring protection, keeping a gun in the home is associated with increased risk of both suicide and homicide of women. "

I support a woman's right to end her life effectively, so half of this I'm okay with.

"Instead of conferring protection, keeping a gun in the home is associated with increased risk of both suicide and homicide of women. "

This isn't a gun problem, it's a shite spouse problem.

"Instead of conferring protection, keeping a gun in the home is associated with increased risk of both suicide and homicide of women. "

"Self-defense gun use is rare; many of the reported self-defense gun uses seem to be armed confrontations."

Yeah because once my gun defused it there was nothing to report. I know at least 8 women that have defended themselves AT LEAST one time each with firearms. You just know victims.

"This small study provides some evidence that guns may be used at least as often by family members to frighten intimates as to thwart crime, and that other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns."

Again, not a gun problem, a shite spouse problem for the first part, for the second, no duh, because if there's no gun there I can't use it to thwart anything.

"FBI reports of active shooter incidents find that unarmed civilians stop more active shooters than armed
civilians"

FFS, yes, yes clearly yes. You know why? Because active shooters target gun free zones.

Face it, you're just terrified of guns and you don't want other women to be able to defend themselves because you don't want them empowered you want them to be a victim too.

May not be a deterrent. Don't care if it is. Nobody's ever pulled a gun on me a second time.

[PokieBalls05]

"Overall, firearm-associated FIAs were 12.0 times more likely to result in death than non-firearm-associated FIAs."
---- The Irony with this statistic, goes to show that a minority of deaths are related to firearms (but they are more deadly), yet clearly more brutal abuse without? Yet this isn't really an example of "Firearms do not provide safety" Not sure how that is a proof?
"In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves
during the incident"
--------- That clearly proves the point that Firearms are a deterrent, for if only 1% of victims use them, then its clear criminals target those that are unarmed?
"Self-defense gun use is rare; many of the reported self-defense gun uses seem to be armed confrontations."
---- Precisely, because self defense with a gun is not "Let me shoot you" its based upon using it as a deterrent to prevent an altercation. You have warped sense of what people mean by self defense.
"This small study provides some evidence that guns may be used at least as often by family members to frighten intimates as to thwart crime, and that other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns."
---- Small study? That tends to also be a struggle. Take for example the famous Kinsey studies on human sexuality that took only prisoners, and individuals from the gay community to guess the size of that community. The studies today show completely different statistics, due to them having a larger and more representative sample.

[Smashingdoozy]

@BoopBoopBeep again you're ignoring my point.

[Smashingdoozy]

If you're not going to bother having a competent argument then don't bother replying. Back up your claims or stop fucking trying.

[PokieBalls05]

"FBI reports of active shooter incidents find that unarmed civilians stop more active shooters than armed
civilians"
-------- Yes, because the FBI has never lied, and clearly wants the population to be armed? Use your head.
" Domestic abuse is five times more likely to turn deadly if firearms are present in a home. A
case-control study comparing women killed by an intimate partner to women who had been battered but not
killed revealed that more than half of the homicide victims lived with a firearm in the home, while that was
true for only 16 percent of women who were abused but survived."
---- That is another one of those "Well, firearms don't protect people, look at Chicago" type argument. We can see that regions with the most intense laws, tend to be the regions with the most intense homicide rates. There is clearly a connection.
"Strong evidence shows that right-to-carry, permitless carry, stand-your-ground-laws and guns in
homes and communities are far more likely to cause death and injury to gun owners, their families, and the
community at large rather than prevent or stop a crime. "
--------- Yet, the communities with the highest homicide rates are those that don't have these laws?
"Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss."
----- Of course, if you want to use statistics for political reasons, instead of common sense?

[Smashingdoozy]

@PokieBalls05 you're just telling me about your feelings again. Your feelings aren't facts.

[PokieBalls05]

@BoopBoopBeep You are 100% right.
She consistently shows studies that PROVE the point that firearms provide safety.
She has this Valley Girl idea, that Firearm owners view "self defense" as getting into a shootout with some thugs on the street. The idea, is that its a DETERRENT, it enforces an idea of "Don't fuck with me" on thugs.

Though she likes lives in a city where gun violence is common..
Because its Democrat controlled, and has strict gun laws FOR SELF DEFENSE

[MementoMori777]

I agree that women have a high chance of getting their shit took, that was my point in the beginning, so I'm satisfied from the discussion, I don't know what's going on anymore, but I'm tapping out on that confession.

[Sparkie460]

It is sad. You forgot guns for both of them

[Smashingdoozy]

Guns are more likely to be used against you than to protect you.

[TonyMetal___86]

Sad reality of what?

[SnowedIn]

Very sad.

[Anonymous]

Yeah wow men are just SO HORRIBLE