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It's a uniquely Western illness.
Yes, illness.
You wouldn't give an anorexic a gastric bypass. Another mental illness predominantly in Western Society. Why not? Because it would kill them.
Western Society is collapsing in exactly the way the late Roman Empire did. It's been through several stages of expansion, the last century being dominated by American military spending and before that the Empirical ages of Napoleon, Germany and Britain going from one military expansion to another - exactly what happened to Rome.
Now there's no serious military power to challenge the West it's become obsessed with sex and appearance - exactly the way Rome did. It was beginning when the British Empire was at its height towards the end of Victoria's reign, but two World Wars extended it as America took over global dominance.
With modern surgical procedures, why wouldn't men - predominantly - want to become what the society values most: sexually desirable young women?
In the Roman Empire - and the Greek before it - sex reassignment wasn't possible, but becoming a eunuch was. It had been for centuries. Boys were castrated to serve in certain temples as male prostitutes. Girls became prostitutes at other temples.
Babies at several points in history were given up to be killed in service to some ancient deity.
How in reality are these things actually different from Only Fans, PornHub and Planned Parenthood?
"Affirming" surgical procedures at any age are only not considered barbaric because of the development of anaesthesia. Tell the adults they have to have their castration without any anaesthetic and we'll see how serious their desire to change really is.
But your question is about children.
Anyone who tries to tell my son, aged 4, he can be a girl will need to deal with me.
Anyone who tries to take him from me to castrate him had best make peace with their god first, because I'm at peace with mine. One of us will be seeing their deity face to face. And yours will stink of Sulphur and Brimstone.
No. Minors should not have irreversible surgical procedures that leave them sterile and mutilated because of a mental illness.
No drug or medical procedure can turn a boy into a girl or a girl into a boy. Attempts to make them "look" like the opposite gender are permanent. Attempts usually leave the victims sterile.
People who do "transition" are stuck on drugs for the rest of their lives.
Gender dysphoria is extremely rare. It's suspicious that there has been such a push over the last few years to make it seem common and cool. All at once, the Democratic party, the media, the entertainment industry, the education system started pushing it under the guise of compassion, acceptance of differences, and inclusion. But it became far more than that. Now children are being groomed, encouraged and even coerced.
This tells me that the evolution of the transgender narrative wasn't due to activism by people suffering from gender dysphoria. There are people with unimaginable wealth and power behind it. And who might those people be? 1) big pharma, 2) the plastic surgery industry, 3) the same globalists who want to reduce the world's population by 7/8 to 15/16, institute a One World Government, and have total control over the actions of every human being.
The average people who are buying into it are victims if extremely sophisticated propaganda. I mean, look how successful that same propaganda machine was at creating panic over a "pandemic" and at convincing people to participate in an experimental "vaccine" program.
I guess I'm not opposed to allowing adults to do whatever crazy shit to themselves that they want. But allowing non-adults to be operated on and treated with puberty blockers, hormones and drugs is a crime against humanity and should be treated as such.
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Who would think in 1993, 2003 and even during Barack Obamaās second term in 2013 anyone would seriously be asking this question?
This isnāt about controlling the sex lives of two consenting adults. This isnāt about religious persecution. This isnāt even about controlling what a grown adult decides to do to permanently alter their body (despite the fact they might be just mentally ill when they make this permanent life altering decision).
How oh how did we ever get to this point? Why is it even debate? Nobody is seriously arguing itās okay to sell booze, marijuana and guns to minors. How did something as insanely irrational and destructive as āgender affirming careā for children ever become even a topic worth spending 2 seconds of rational thought on?
If a minor is āgender confusedā then please for the love God, Mother Earth and even āthe scienceā for you atheists out there at least and restrict it to absolutely bare minimum of 18 years old. We donāt let young people drink, buy pot or buy handguns until 21 either. Hell isnāt that bare minimum age for a tattoo 18? How in a million years are we letting them permanently alter their bodies?
You are going to see insane depression, skyrocketing suicide rates and societal malaise come out this. Most people are not against this because they are āprejudicedā. We just donāt like people indulge in self destruction.
Children have the ability to make decisions.
Some of you adults cannot even do some of the school work they do.
Most people don't make decisions. They put them off or try to gather endless data and still cannot decide. You decide right where you are with what info you have. Better to be decisive and make a wrong decision than have indecision.
I really do believe treating kids the way we do is wrong. We have them sheltered from life until they are adults and then once they become adults they have no clue what they're doing and end up struggling regardless of if they went to college or not.
I mean look at the people on this site. Some of them can't even figure out how to get a man or a woman... We don't even understand ourselves lol.
However, because they are now age xx we think they are supposed to have it all figured out. Like the age you are actually somehow transforms you.
If they make a mistake so be it; it's better than living like most adults.
I'm sure the minors that are doing it are very sure about their decision and tested to the moon.
How old under 18?
And what's been done to assess their knowledge and understanding of the process and its effects?
The body has a biological clock on puberty.
Studies have shown by the age of 4, most healthy children have a solid and consistent understanding of gender.
I know of at least four Christian sects which baptise children at 12 into a lifetime of religion.
Why not allow them the same consideration for gender affirming care? Jesus doesn't have a biological clock on belief, but a child's body has a clock on puberty.
Studies also show very few trans people regret transitioning and nearly all find it better than before even if they stopped or reversed transition.
Likewise, new medical advances are making it possible to transition slowly, which would help younger people be more in control of their transition.
Lack of access won't make it stop. It'll just make it harder for bodybuilders to get testosterone.
It's always the cishet white men thinking they know what's what. 😬
Minors should absolutely have access to appropriate Healthcare for their age and health issues.
A ten year old should have access to professional and educated counseling to help them understand their feelings when they express those feelings to parents, if the well-informed parents and doctor and child decide that counseling is needed. Just like counseling for any other health issue.
A 14 year old should have access to safe and effective medications to help their body develop in a way that won't cause unnecessary distress and pain, if the well-informed parents and doctor and child decide medication is needed. Just like medication for any other health issue.
A 16 year old should have access to safe and effective surgical procedures to alleviate serious pain and distress they are experiencing, if the well-informed parents and doctor and child decide surgery is needed. Just like surgical procedures for any other health issue.
This isn't about protecting children. It's about hurting trans people, including trans kids.
I be honest
18 is the age we decide that turns a kid to an adult, its not the best way, but its what we got
So I will say that even that I will change the terms a little in my answer
Kids - Someone inexprinced
Adults - Someone with exprince and time
You can take what I say to the terms of consent for the relevent place, that could be age, and that is becouse its what we got as said before
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No, kids should not have the option to do something life changing that will effect them there entire life when there prone to make rush or simple things they did not think all the way as they dont have the excprince to truly understand the meaning and the outcome of it
If they still want it after getting excprince and understanding that what they do has a result good or bad then they can take the action, when there adults to decide this
I dont know much about this oprations, and if it matters if done before or after an age to take effect better so may not be good ength to give an answer about it
I will say how ever if there parants allow it, it may be alright if there is an effect of how lilely it is to pass better in a younger age
Hooo boy~
Yes, it should. But here is why: You know what its like growing up not normal? You don't get a teenage romance, you feel like a weirdo, only other weirdos accept you and those weirdos were actually jerks.
That is what it was like for me as a neuro-divergent with no real father figure growing up. Imagine what its like for trans kids, you have the wrong body, and half of the country votes in the direction of or prefers you dead.
They turn 18, already went through puberty and were never socialized as their correct gender / sex and NOW they have to become adults with no childhood as the right body?
Yeah, Gender Affirming care SHOULD be legal.
Caveat : We need more research.
Until we are in a situation where a psychologist only armed with the basics can acutely say : "Yeah, this child has gender dysphoria." we don't have the scientific acumen to rightfully help trans people. Here is what we have today: "Agree that trans people should get GAC or you're an incel!"
yeah. . . . . .
It does not matter if they can consent or not, the answer should be no either way.
We need to stop using the word consent in these topics, and start using words like intelligent, stupid, safe, unsafe, etc. A person can consent to being thrown off a cliff, should they? No.
It is stupid and unsafe, no one should do it, and most children are not informed enough to know that yet, so condoning them requesting it, pressuring them into it, or otherwise allowing it, is morally wrong.
Even if an adult consents to it, its still morally wrong. If a person consents to self harm, you typically try to stop them, you don't sit there pondering whether or not they are "old enough to be a dumbass" (let alone enable them...).
I don't think it makes sense to let children consent to long term body modifications if they are considered too young to consent to sex. The former seems far more important to me.
I'm fine with children identifying anyway they wish, and adults having any modifications they wish (assuming they have access to an independent trustable source of information) but not children.
The US has a for-profit medical industry - the largest industry in the world. I have no faith in that industry to not seek profit wherever it can - that is what business does
I lean towards freedom. If kids want to throw themselves off bridges, that is freedom to me and their choice. I advise they don't... the landing is hard.
So yes, but this has to have controls on it with parental approval and signoff of consequences. You don't let children make decisions like this nor reward doctors for creating markets and milking the "cows".
If there are no parents, then no... they wait til 18. Tough! Don't like your problems... go to a boot camp and run 20 miles with a backpack.
In the words of B Clinton... It should be available, and rare! (he was talking about abortion... and he's right).
When we ran into issues like this (not the same one) at home the answer was... you want "that"..."there is the door, leave". That solved the problem and there is no more interest in the topic.
Why don't you specify exactly what "gender affirming care" you're talking about?
"Gender affirming care (GAC) refers to any combination of social, legal, and medical measures that help people feel happy, healthy, and safe in their gender. GAC takes a holistic approach to making sure a personās mental and physical needs surrounding their gender identity and expression are met.
GAC is for anyone who needs it. It involves a wide range of healthcare approaches that differ depending on your individual needs."
https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-gender-affirming-care
a Ultimately it's your body whether you change it at 14 or change it at 24, but if GAC is going to be provided it should not be done so lightly. There needs to be a long counseling period and a long process between A and B, along with parental consent because they are minors, and if a minor can't get a tattoo at 14 by themselves without consent, this is an even bigger deal than that. Can't change who you are and how you feel, but at least give them a well informed path to whatever decisions they make now or later.
It's a permanent solution to what may be a temporary problem.
It's like giving a 14 year old girl the option to get breast implants, she's not going to think it through.
I think they need to be assessed by professionals who don't have an agenda. We don't consider minors mature enough to make a decision about a tattoo so why do we think their capable of deciding if they want a dick or not.
no i do not. i think we should not let childish delusions dictate the adult life. bad enough that some adults still struggle with their childish delusions, narcissism and general idiocy. we should NOT expose our children to this.
i understand what everyone does with another consenting adult behind closed bedroom doors is their business. it is NOT the business of our children.
No. And even adult shouldn't. You don't fix a problem by accepting it and forcing everyone around to accept it too.
But children should absolutely be protected against this cult. At school, in media, at home, nowhere they should be exposed to it. They're way too easy to manipulate and influence.
Nope. Thatās a very serious decision with serious life altering consequences. Most people donāt even know who they are or how they operate until theyāre 30+. Leaving this decision to someone with pretty much no life experience who is a ball of hormones is profoundly unwise.
They should really know what they are getting themselves into. I imagine there's side effects, and the side effects are most likely problematic. I would think that would mess with their mental health and emotions.
I don't get why people aren't happy with who they are. A person trying to change themself doesn't always turn out like they expect. But whatever rows their boat.
How can I own what I believe when I just borrowed it from my friends and college professors?
i don't know enough about either side so in my mostly uneducated opinion i don't think children should be able to alter their hormones - i think it can be more difficult after puberty but i don't understand the potential consequences for down the line and am suspicious enough of scientific advances like this
no and the reason is this: when you turn 18. you are leagally an adult yes?
but until then you are legally a child, and your parents are responsible for your welfare and making all the hard decisions for you.
kids dont need choices: they need to know their parents love them. and thats it. every other lesson they have to learn by themselves
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