Why are women generally more supportive of the “trans” ideology when movement is actually harming real women?

[blueonblack22]

For the record I do believe gender dsyphoria is a real mental condition but it’s exceedingly rare. I believe most gender confused people nowadays are suffering from unrelated issues and are embracing gender dsyphoria as an extremely dangerous prognosis.

Anyway it’s no secret than women are generally more liberal then men because they make decisions based on emotions vs. logic.

However what I don’t understand is why women tend to be more supportive of a movement that:

• allows biological men into women’s bathrooms, locker rooms and shows.
• that tells teen girls they might be “non-binary” and gives them testosterone or worse performs surgeries causing irreversible damage to their bodies.
• allows biological men to compete in women’s sports giving them an insanely unfair advantage.
• argues that teachers and counselors should be allowed to diagnose young children as being “trans” and is trying to remove parental rights (which is the most heinous of all)

Okay you are a liberal female and are most likely in support of “love is love” and gay marriage and all. But are you just afraid if you draw the line on what the trans movement is doing that will immediately make you bigoted and an outcast? Do you have to go along with EVERYthing that is considered “progressive” nowadays.

Do you know it’s possible to be supportive of gay rights yet against the trans ideology movement? From what I’ve seen the “T” is getting more and more out of place, combative and at odds in the LGBT acronym. It’s now ironically working against women’s rights and feminism.

Updates

10 mo

Some of the female responses below (I know a few might be “trans” women) are sadly proving my point.

Just for the record I believe in a free society where grown adults can make ADULT decisions. We try to protect children and teenagers from making stupid decisions that they will regret later. Some bad decisions kids make can impact them them for the rest of their lives (addictions, crime, underage sex, etc.). For the love of God how is a child getting a sex change an “exception” to that rule?

Updates

10 mo

Also just for the record I used the word GENERALLY when describing women’s political judgment and thought processes.

Also for those of you who say “oh this doesn’t impact you” oh it sure as hell does. I’m being pressured at work now to use preferred pronouns on email signature. That might seem like no big deal but in reality that is a method to identify who is woke and who isn’t. And wokesters have no reservation about discriminating against and canceling people who don’t agree with them.

[Anonymous]

Not ALL women are more supportive of the “trans” ideology. If you look at the demographics of those supporting the “trans” ideology they will be middle class college/university educated and vote for Democrats,

Those women who are working class whether they went to college/university or not are those who are pushing back against “trans” ideology I refer you to the resent push back against school board who have let books and ideologies into class rooms where it should not be. It was working class women who pushed back against men claiming to be women in spa locker rooms, YWCA locker rooms, etc.

some articles

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/05/trans-rights-should-not-come-at-the-cost-of-womens-fragile-gains

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-transgender-war-on-women-11553640683

[blueonblack22]

I did specifically say “generally” not “all” in the title.

[blueonblack22]

But look at the responses. Some agree with my sentiments. Others though are sadly proving my entire point.

[ericclayton]

It's also regional.

[blueonblack22]

@ericclayton i truly believe if woman were as firmly against this crap the same way most men are it would of never gotten as bad as it’s now. But they usually don’t draw the line the same way men do.

[monorprise]

Many Women were generally support of the feminist movement even thou it reduced many if not most of them to single mothers doing everything for themselfs and whores.

Women as a group even more so than a general population are easily manipulated emotionally and do very disadvantageous things.

They regulatory do this at the behest of clever men who want to take advantage of them and really other women who simply want to tear them down their level.

[blueonblack22]

You made an interesting point in the last paragraph.

I think a lot of liberal male elites who pay lip service to “women’s rights” are actually sociopaths and objectify, lie and abuse women the most. Former NY governor Andrew Cuomo was a perfect example of this. Even Harvey Weinstein was considered “pro feminist” when he made Kill Bill. They are such hypocritical pos scumbags.

[monorprise]

@blueonblack22 There is an economic coincidence of support among the most powerful men and women at the top of the economic latter supporting theses "cultural values".

Both have very different reasons, the men because their wealth puts them in a position of being players seeking a ever more rich field. Women simply because to get where they are they have had to largely abandon family and adopt theses values themself. Women unfortunately can be rather jealous creatures who don't like to see other women have anything they don't have. Assuming of course if they didn't genuinely value forsaking the legacy and love of family for temporarily glory & wealth of career.

[blueonblack22]

There is a group of leftist elitists who move in lockstep who get to decide top down what “values” are for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Not all, but women by nature tend to be more accepting, we by nature want to take care of others, nurture, be a safe place. I didn't like that reality till I went against it and it finally hit me at some point, that's just how most women are, that's our design.

I'm aware of the trans bs now, I used to be supportive of it, and during my teen years I even identified as a guy for three years, I was totally "open minded". Now I totally disagree with it, and I don't support trans people, I respect the ones that are more sane, but I don't support and neither respect gender ideology. If they want to use the bathroom and places where women are going to be, they should have their own trans bathroom, men are not woman, even if they try to look like one, I'm not supporting delusions.

[blueonblack22]

That’s good insight. Thank you.

The bottom line about all this is just common sense.

[DaisyM23]

i don't get it either, i mean i'm somewhat supportive of trans rights until it encroaches on women's rights but i personally think women are more likely to be liberal? but i also know women who have similar views to me but it's a very shaky ground
and yeah i think anyone who disagrees with LGB rights are just stupid, time has passed, gay people have the same rights to marry and adopt kids and i think there's less discrimination against them now, but that could also be because media attention is on the trans debate now

[blueonblack22]

Well the whole trans movement very quickly piggybacked off the gay rights movement. They act like they are the same thing and their not.

[alice55]

That's cause they're crazy there's really no others words for this I don't get it either. It's like in France the left love Arabs and defend women right and gay right but Arab are the one who hate the most women and gay (they litterally beat up gay people in the street just for being gay) but leftist still defend them.

They also rape women, kill children (stabbing in Annecy yesterday done by a Syrian refugee) so Arab are literally the reverse of what they believe in but they still protect them, it make no sense.

[InsecureLivesMatter]

I think it's Muslims you're talking about, not Arabs...

[alice55]

@InsecureLivesMatter same things

[InsecureLivesMatter]

No. Not really. I'm Arab + Christian.

[alice55]

@InsecureLivesMatter Those are very rare, also did you heard in Annecy in France an Arab (who claim to be Christian) tried to kill 6 person, luckily nobody died and they're all safe now but I was kinda surprised to hear him claim to be Christian.
So i would like to know do Arab Christian yell for Jesus like Muslim scream for their god? Cause it sound weird to me for a Christian to do that (I'm a Christian too, Catholic).
I feel like the guy was a Muslim and claimed to be Christian to be taken as a refugees.

[Smashingdoozy]

God if my eyes could roll further back into my head I think they would do a 360.

There is nobody policing bathrooms, locker rooms etc. Men can and do just walk in. A law isn't going to change that.

If a teenager wants to go on hormone replacement therapy then they have every right to do so. It's not harmful, study after study after study has proven that. Teenagers are not getting gender affirming surgeries. That is illegal. They have to be 18 or in very rare medically necessary circumstances the youngest has been 17.

Sports aren't fair in general. Many individual people have unfair biological advantages.

That last thing isn't happening. Transgender isn't a diagnosis.

I support Trans people being treated AS PEOPLE because I am logical. Clearly you're the one thinking with emotions here.

[Cubus]

Studies actually show that the vast majority of teenagers that feel they have gender dysphoria stop feeling this way after puberty ends. Getting them on hrt would let a lot of them become scarred for life or develop side effect health issues such as osteoporosis. So you're actually wrong saying it is not harmful.

And your argument about sports is so ridiculous that it's not even worth lookign at.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus there is no valid study that shows that. I've read the studies you are talking about which cites information from the 70s and 80s by the way and some don't actually study transgender kids but rather kids who display cross-gender behavior ie. Tomboys and feminine boys. The studies are highly bias and not credible.

The study by Steensma et al in 2011 while actually included transgender kids was not credible at all. They put together a few transgender kids with a lot more kids who weren't transgender but counted them all as transgender and then at the end of the study counted the ones they couldn't contact as desisted.

But then in 2013 the same people conducted the study again, this time properly. And guess what? This study found that young people who actually met the clinical guidelines for gender dysphoria as children generally ended up as transgender adults.

Other studies and the clinics they came from are no longer available as they asked intrusive sexual questions to children, took inappropriate photos, and practiced conversion therapy 🙂

[Cubus]

I actually know a guy that was feeling gender dysphoria as a teenager. He started hrt, taking puberty blockers etc. After turning 21 he realised he still feels like a man, but his body was already very much changed to become a female. He started detransitioning.

There are other known cases like this. For example Chloe Cole.

Opposing existing examples is opposing science.

[blueonblack22]

“ If a teenager wants to go on hormone replacement therapy then they have every right to do so. It's not harmful, study after study after study has proven that. ”

I seriously question the scientific validity of those “studies”. The AMA is changing the word “mothers” to “birthing persons” now. This is called “state science” and is similar to what the Soviet Union did to control and brainwash masses of people.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus I'm not denying detransitioning happens... It does but it's less than 1% of transgender people

@blueonblack22 there is nothing wrong with using more inclusive language. Are you offended by the word human too? Or person? Birthing persons is only used when referring to a group of people OR when the specific person being spoken to requests to be refered to as that. Otherwise they will be refered to as mothers.

Whether you agree or not there are people who don't identify as women giving birth. That doesn't necessarily mean they are transgender either.

[Cubus]

It's actually not. Studeies show that it's more than that

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus nope most viable studies show anywhere from less than 1% (which was amongst 8000 participants) to as high as 25% regret rate which doesn't mean they detransitioned just that they regret part of their transition. It also includes those who temporarily detransitioned because of family and societal pressure.

[Cubus]

We are gonna see this. The rate of minors using hrt in Sweden rose by 1500% from 2008. We are going to experience a tsunami of detransitioning soon

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus if you're going to state figures so outrageous please provide evidence.

[Smashingdoozy]

Because that figure... All I can see is a rise of 1500 percent of teenagers 13 to 17 born female being diagnosed with gender dysphoria between 2008 and 2018. Not going on HRT.

[Smashingdoozy]

Sounds insane until you read that between 1998 and 2021 8900 people total were diagnosed.

[Cubus]

It is true actually

decisionmagazine.com/.../

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus dude did you even read it? It literally says what I just said.

[Cubus]

Ok, and? It's not normal in any way to record a 1,500% rise.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus over 10 years... But we have to take a look at what happened in those years. Something happened in 2015 which made transgenderism a popular topic in mainstream media. Which meant that more people were learning about it and realizing that it's not normal to feel like a stranger in your own body. So they seek help. From 2015 to 2018 there was A LOT of talk in the media about trans people. So a massive influx of young people feeling safe enough to seek help for their feelings is not a bad thing.

Would you rather they kill themselves? Because that's what happens to kids who don't get the help they need.

[blueonblack22]

“ Which meant that more people were learning about it and realizing that it's not normal to feel like a stranger in your own body.”

That kind of thinking. That. That’s absolutely horrifying @Smashingdoozy. Do you realize what kind of slippery slope this is? Do you have any idea what kind of societal damage this could do to people if they regret it years from now? Do you even know that medical operations offering “transition” surgery and pharmaceutical companies selling puberty blocking drugs have a huge financial incentive to push this insane ideology all they can? Also the heads of big pharma and medical companies have a lot of money and a lot of power. The worst kind of power: lobbying power.

Drink the kool aide at your own risk but don’t blaming me for dying when I directly warned you it was poison.

[Smashingdoozy]

We're talking world wide here. Not just the united states. The united states is one of the only countries who are benefitting off the money being spent on gender affirming care because healthcare in America is a fucking joke. It's not a slippery slope. It's life. This has happened throughout history with many different things. People feel comfortable enough and safe enough to be their true selves so it looks like there is a HUGE influx but it always levels out.

[blueonblack22]

Yes there definitely has been a huge influx. A skyrocketing insane influx. I’m sure it was completely mean to be. I mean people couldn’t be impressionable by social contagion or anything. I’m sure depressed and mentally ill people are never given bad advice especially if there is financial incentive involved.

Yes human species have been mutilating their genitals to look like the opposite gender for all of human history. Totally natural. Totally normal. In fact it’s so normal that throughout history humans were will totally fine with mutilating children’s bodies to look like the opposite sex. Yep makes a lot of sense. This is totally the path to go.

@Smashingdoozy you are either a “trans” woman yourself or you’re a stereotypical leftist young female. I think you are most likely the latter but a part of me is hoping you are the former. A post op trans woman HAS to be as zealous as completely possible to defend their very existence. To consider that “she” might really be a “he” would lead to absolute horror that his decision was a huge irreversible mistake.

If they realize it was a mistake now they are subject to lifelong depression and regret. Boys can’t grow back real penises. Women can’t grow back real breasts.

Just look at jazz Jennings. She’s deeply depressed, is 100lbs overweight and finds herself attracted to women. Reason being is he was supposed to remain a MAN. No there is no going back to it. That’s got to be horrifying realization for these people.

But actually feel sad for the post ops. Although I disagree with them I have to understand they are at war with their own conscious.

[Smashingdoozy]

Jazz Jennings has never said she regrets her transition. Gay people exist.
I don't have to be trans to understand and support them. Again, nobody is preforming surgeries in children.

Evidently you believe everything you read on the internet without ever actually looking into it.

Yes there is an influx BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE. This again, has been shown to happen with various things throughout history. Most notably left handedness

Here's a graph showing the increase in left-handedness from the 1900s. We use to crucify people for being left handed, it wasn't natural, they were accused of being witches, they were forced to be right handed because it was more convenient. As time went on web accepted that left handedness is infact normal, something you're born with and isn't something to be ashamed about. So it appears there was this huge increase as it started becoming more accepted but then it leveled out. It wasn't because more people were being born left handed, it wasn't because of woke left handed indoctrination, it's because they felt safe to admit they were left handed.

[Cubus]

The graph doesn;t show a 1500% increase.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus you do know what 1500% increase means right? You know it's only 15x more people than typical? So if there was 1 there is now 15. It's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

[Cubus]

Except that was not one or any number similar to this

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus it literally doesn't matter it was 8900 people total over 10 years being diagnosed with a mental Illness. Why are you against that 🤨?

[Cubus]

I am against that because I personally know cases of false transitioning and all health complications that come with it. And because of sharp rise of transsexualism in last years we are gonna experience a detransition tsunami soon.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus being diagnosed with gender dysphoria doesn't mean all those people are now transgender... Also not all people medically transition... You're so mad about something you have very limited knowledge on and you refuse to learn more information... That's pure ignorance.

[blueonblack22]

@Smashingdoozy you know what let’s just plow right ahead with this insanity and never step back for a moment to consider the negative consequences. If things do go wrong then you can always blame it on something else. That’s the typical leftist approach anyway. Never take personal responsibility for your decisions.

Reproduction and marriage rates are plummeting in the United States. It’s no coincidence that young women are being influenced from feminism to “have their freedom” by not having children or even settling down. Yes men are partially to blame for this (porn, promiscuity, etc) but women really are the gate keepers of sex. They get proposed to most of the time. They also file for divorce most of time.

Now singlehood rates, depression and mental health is skyrocketing. Yet we keep doubling down with this newer INSANE leftist iteration of “trans” rights. Just embrace and never second guess your “feelings”. Your feelings are “the truth” right? No such thing as “the truth” I guess.

Conservatives are not arguing against this just because we want to “control” people. No we see this as destroying society as we know it. It might not happen today or tomorrow. But the long term ramifications of this are going to be devastating.

[Smashingdoozy]

If you're so concerned with mental health I bet you're all for gun restrictions? What about reducing toxic masculinity? Safe abortion access? Better medical systems? Equality for LGBTQ? Oops we already established you don't care about those people...

[blueonblack22]

Also @Smashingdoozy you didn’t respond to my earlier question. Maybe I wasn’t direct enough. Are you a trans woman? It seems you have done your “homework” (that doesn’t mean I trust your sources). But if you are trans woman than I digress. Nothing I am going to say to you will change your mind. You will likely one day come to know the horrible truth on your own. I actually feel sorry for you if that’s the case. But I understand your zeal. This is your very existence we are talking about and you have to embrace a narrative all you can. Any doubt and your very new identity is completely destroyed.

But if you really are a biological female then you went to great extremes to stay woke. You are not alone but again for the reasons I stated in my original question this movement is HARMING real women.

[Smashingdoozy]

I did actually. Perhaps you should read in full rather than skim information?

[Smashingdoozy]

And quiet frankly it's a lazy wannabe insult. The fact that you cannot comprehend a person having compassion and empathy for trans people so you think they MUST be trans themselves is absolutely insane.

[blueonblack22]

@Smashingdoozy “ I don't have to be trans to understand and support them.” Alright yes you did answer that. Hooray you got me on something.

But I read your last response and you are not having “compassion” for someone by quickly embracing their self diagnosis as possibly being the opposite gender. No telling someone what they want to hear is not “having compassion” for someone. No more is agreeing with a homeless man that he’s the reincarnation of Jesus when he’s asking for spare change.

I can have compassion for someone who is suffering form a mental illness without AGREEING with them.

And I stand by the following:

1. Gender dysphoria is a real and very rare MENTAL condition. The psychologically doesn’t overcome the chromosomes though. You are not “affirming” the science instead you are defying it when you transition

2. Mentally sick perverts do exist and this is a convenient excuse for them to invade female private spaces.

3. The movement has been very aggressive about pushing its ideology on children. Why? Why should kids who haven’t even thought they could hit puberty yet be told of the possibility they are the opposite gender? Answer is simple: leftists know young children are more impressionable and easier to manipulate. It’s no surprise they are pushing this bullshit on young children.

4. If you start denying parental rights over children then this is going to get violent. I don’t want it to come to that but most parents are willing to put the lives of their kids above their own well being. If there is going to be a bloody revolution in America then start messing with people’s kids.

But again I digress. But I warn you that people are noticing this bullshit. The 2021 Virginia gubernatorial election was completely swung in the opposite direction because of trans ideologies being pushed in school districts (in a state that heavily voted for Biden in 2020).

But best of luck to you.

[Smashingdoozy]

Let's break down what you said.
1. As I have said, gender dysphoria does not always = transgender. Some people do transition but that is entirely their choice and is a lengthy process to just be able to do that. Not all people medically transition either, a lot only socially transition. Gender is not the same as sex. Science shows this over and over and over. Your 12th grade science lessons do not cover this.

2. A sign on a door is not going to stop someone from entering the room if they want to. This also really just shows you have a problem with cis people not trans people.

3. There is no push on children. It's entirely made up propaganda by right wing people. Do trans kids exist? Absolutely. There is nothing wrong with a kid socially transitioning to explore their identity. Puberty blockers are not taken lightly either, it's a long process which requires seeing a gender clinic for a certain amount of time. There is also no evidence to show that puberty blockers cause long term issues. Evidently by the use in precious puberty for decades.

4. Nobody is doing this. This is not happening.

[Smashingdoozy]

Precocious puberty*

[blueonblack22]

If I gave you article links refuting what you said above would you read them? But I feel like we are wasting each others time now.

My entire impetus for asking this question is because “trans” ideologies are not being suggest but forced on people now. Forcing people to leave “preferred pronouns” in there email signature IS part of a wider agenda. Karl Marx famously wrote that you could change culture by changing the language. It’s a Marxist technique and it’s not innocuos.

But I’m sure you will just brush that off and “laugh” about my own personal life being encroached upon. But it goes to prove that this was never about “you stay your lane and I’ll stay mine”. No. There is a concerted agenda behind all of this and it’s communism. And communism has historically killed a lot more people then fascism (I don’t like fascism either). But this about my beliefs and freedoms being encroached upon.

[Smashingdoozy]

Absolutely I would. Please provide articles. I will look at them and see if they are trustworthy or not.

[Cubus]

"being diagnosed with gender dysphoria doesn't mean all those people are now transgender"

It doesn't but it leads to people who have only part time dysphoria to transition as they believe they are transgender. That's the reason why even left wing countries like Sweden or Spain are currently restricting transition for minors.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus transitioning isn't as easy as you think it is. If you're up for an experiment I would recommend attempting to go through the process to just see for yourself. Every single gender therapist will tell anyone who is questioning their gender identity to try socially transitioning before even offering medicine, this process alone can take months to years.

[Cubus]

Not every single gender therapist would say this. Look at people who transitioned without being sure about their condition, like Chloe Cole.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus sorry but a tiny handful of peoples experiences should not dictate THOUSANDS of people especially when the alternative is people commiting suicide.

[Cubus]

More people would be scarred for life than commit suicide.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus we all get scars eventually. I don't know about you but I'd rather have scars than be dead.

If youd prefer the later maybe you need to talk to a therapist.

[Cubus]

If you 'd prefer 90% to be hurt than 10% then maybe you need to talk to a therapist.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus if you'd prefer 99% to be dead then you support genocide.

[Cubus]

If only it would cause 99% to be dead then you would be right. But as it doesn't, you are wrong

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus you want that though. You wish for it. You want trans people to disappear, the ONLY way that will happen is if they 1. Die. Or 2. Hide.
Would you like it if you friend, your family member, your child hid a huge part of themselves from you? Felt like they couldn't trust you enough to tell you their true selves? Have you really no empathy?

[Cubus]

Karolinska Institute (which is a is a research-led medical university, that awards a Nobel Prize in medicine) actually disagrees with you. It oficially forbid sex change for minors.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus cool? Minors weren't undergoing medical sex changes.

[Cubus]

It also forbids giving minors puberty blockers.

[blueonblack22]

@Cubus California is about to pass a law that will label parents who try to stop their children from transitioning as “child abuse”.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus you realize puberty blockers are medication for cis children too right?

[Smashingdoozy]

You're cool with 5 year olds going through puberty?

[Cubus]

Karolinska Institute disagrees again

[blueonblack22]

@Cubus you are wasting your time. She really believes she is being altruistic. We could argue facts and logic all day long. But these people have a twisted “vision” of some sort of utopia that has never existed nor will ever exist.

However there is whole “movement” has a long term insidious intentions. It’s NOT about giving people the freedom to make their own ADULT choices. No. They want to destroy society as we know it and replace it with a top down authoritarian government run by leftist elitists. This is very similar to how the Soviet Union was founded. They promise to take care of people and that the government can solve all their problems. In reality it’s slavery and in order for it to work it takes brutal authoritarianism.

The rainbow movement is really a cover for Marxism. At least BLM wasn’t hiding the ball. The founder Patrisse Culors openly stated in a 2015 interview she was a “trained Marxist”. Yet she bought a million dollar home and gave her family all sorts of monetary benefits with BLM donation money.

The elitist controlling the rainbow mafia have similar objectives but they are just better at hiding it. However it’s just sad to see women supporting an insane movement that is hurting THEM.

[Smashingdoozy]

Bruh you couldn't even be bothered to find articles to prove me wrong. Bfr.

[Cubus]

I can actually

In 2020, the Finnish Health Authority (fin. Palveluvalikoima) reviewed the research and concluded that there is no conclusive evidence that giving puberty blockers and sex hormones improves minor patients' situation.

You can check it on their website:
palveluvalikoima.fi/sukupuolidysforia-alaikaiset

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus that study literally recommended puberty blockers 💀"If, before the onset of puberty, a child is found to have had a long-term experience of identifying with
the symptom picture of gender and gender anxiety, which intensifies during puberty, can be attributed to puberty
once started, to refer the evaluation of puberty retardation treatment to the gender identity research groups of minors
to TAYS or HUS. A possible puberty-suppressing treatment can be started on the basis of these studies.
be done on a case-by-case basis after careful consideration and appropriate diagnostic tests, if applicable
medical indications and there are no contraindications for the treatment. Also therapeutic amenorrhea, i. e. menstruation
prevention is medically possible."

Not a perfect translation but pretty clearly recommends it.

[Cubus]

Yep, you read it. Finland currently allows puberty blockers only in very specific cases, that are based on individual physician assessment, only after detailed psychological examination and only if the examination proved that the patient is suffering from serious and long term gender dysphoria. It forbids previous practice like a minor starting taking puberty blockers without psychological examination.

[Cubus]

Moreover in the document you can read that there are no evidences that giving puberty and sex blockers improve pathologies.

Everything is correct. So it seems your thesis were wrong

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus yes... Which is the same as everywhere else. You can't just get puberty blockers without an assessment.

"Improve pathologies" ? 🧐 Where does it say that?

[Cubus]

You could before. It seems you don't really know much about the topic

[Cubus]

It doesn't say it improves pathologies. It actually says there's no evidence that it improves pathologies.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus perhaps there, but it's not how it typically works in most places.

Where does it say that? Tell me which section.

[Smashingdoozy]

Also it's not that their guidelines were different before fir children they just literally didn't have any guidelines they were following Dutch guidelines which didn't have anything about gender dysphoria in children so they were following the adult guidelines for the children as well. Not ideal and I disagree with them doing that but they also had no other choice.

[Cubus]

It does. Your country actually came to the same conclusion and closed its gender transition clinic Tavistock.

The NHS recently has announced a reduction in the use of puberty blockers in minors. From now on, they can only be administered as part of an experimental procedure, which means almost a complete ban. The decision was made mainly on the basis of the Cass report, which clearly shows that the gender transition procedure is unexplored and there is no evidence of its benefits.

www.google.com/.../uk-65860272.amp

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus that's not what I asked. Tell me what section the claim you named is in.

[Cubus]

This is not what you asked because you know you're not right on this one

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus so you made it up? It's not on there? That's why you're avoiding answering right?

[Smashingdoozy]

Just like you thought you did something by posting a recommendation in Finnish thinking I won't read it and it saying exactly opposite of what you said it did. You literally can't find any information that backs up your claims or refutes mine.

[Cubus]

Lol, I actually gave you a source and you still accuse me of making it up.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus the source said opposite of what you said it did and then you claim it says something else and refuse to tell me where.

[Cubus]

You can find it on the sixth page. I am busy but it seems you are too lazy to find it yourself.

"In a larger study of a total of 201 young people
101 patients started an 18-month long psychological supportive intervention at an average age of 15.5 years (range 12-18 years), and in addition, at 6 months, puberty development was stopped by starting a GnRH analog. Another group of 100 people received only psychological supportive intervention for 18 months.
In both groups, general functional ability improved statistically significantly at 12 and 18 months, and for those who received only psychological intervention, functional ability improved statistically significantly already at the first 6 months. For both studies, continuous long-term follow-up into adulthood is lacking.
The effect of hormone replacement therapy started in adolescence on functional capacity, the progress of adolescent developmental tasks and psychiatric symptoms has also been investigated in one domestic study, which was published after the literature review was completed. Problems in these areas did not decrease during hormone replacement therapy."

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus that's saying their gender dysphoria didn't change because of it. As in pausing puberty didn't make them not feel like they're still in the wrong body. And guess what ✨it's still not what you claimed✨

[Cubus]

"Finnish Health Authority (fin. Palveluvalikoima) reviewed the research and concluded that there is no conclusive evidence that giving puberty blockers and sex hormones improves minor patients' situation."

No, it's clearly not what I said, you are right, lady (no, not really) :)

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus omfg, don't quote things without posting a source! This is not how you win any argument. BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS!

[Cubus]

Seems you have a problem with basic ability of reading.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus seems you don't know how to debate. It's not up to me to find the information to prove your point. It's up to you.

[Cubus]

I already proved my point.

If you fail to recognise evidences, then it's no use. I end this discussion now, as talking longer would be a waste of time. You can't admit defeat in obvious situation

[blueonblack22]

@Cubus on one hand nice work digging into and debating with the details. On the other hand sorry you had to waste your time figuring out what I told you all along.

It’s always feelings > reality for these people. They really are beyond delusional.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Cubus You failed to provide sources. You made claims then backed them up with things that never even said what you claimed. Honestly this is hilariously stupid. You would get an automatic fail and laughed off the podium 😂😂😂 it's like you never went to school?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

If by "emotion" you mean "empathy" then yes women are far more emotional in their thinking.

If men were logical, however, then they would actually do some research to inform their opinions, and find the data shows that transitioning is the best way to stop gender dysphoria, it's safe and has an extremely low regret rate, trans women using public restrooms and competing in sports isn't hurting anyone, and trans kids whose parents would mistreat or disown them for being trans shouldn't be outed to those parents unnecessarily.

But instead men show themselves to be the true emotional thinkers because they just feel grossed out by their own made up idea of "transgender" and use that to justify attacking a whole group for existing.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Because it not for fun. It's not an exception to letting them "do whatever they want." It's healthcare. It's not an exception bc kids are obviously allowed to get any healthcare they need, up to and including surgeries, and we expect parents and medical professionals to treat them appropriately and make sure they understand and want the treatment, yknow informed consent n all that shit. It's not an exception to ALLOW trans kids healthcare like everyone else. It's It's exception to allow all healthcare to kids, EXCEPT for trans kids. That is what doesn't make sense. That is what hurts kids.

[Shamalien]

What is your definition of safe? Is rendering an adolescent youth permanently infertile safe? Is genital mutilation safe? I’m not making an emotional argument here. Irreversible surgery is a last resort and is certainly not safe, no surgery is safe

[blueonblack22]

@Shamalien also noticed how she said “ trans women using public restrooms and competing in sports isn't hurting anyone”. Just so casual like it’s no big deal that trans women are crushing the competition and stealing athletic awards from real women who busted their assess. But somehow that’s “equality” right?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@Shamalien "safe" as in it has a complication and death risk at or below the level of many common surgeries. It shouldn't be any more lengthy or complicated process to decide its necessary than for other surgeries. Which you may not know, also may result in infertility, significant change in genital aesthetic appearance, and/or be irreversible.

Yes as you say no surgery is 100% safe. But many surgeries have a low risk of death, and low risk of serious complications. When u decide to get a surgery that isn't always a terrifying life changing decision that scars u for life. Just saying. I've had 2, 1 major, and both had complications. Yet they were still quickly approved by insurance, had positive outcomes overall & I don't regret.

Usually the outcomes are positive overall unless it's an unusually serious or risky procedure. This is also applies to gender affirming surgeries, which aren't unusually serious or risky compared to other medically necessary surgeries involving primary or secondary sex organs.

[Shamalien]

I don't know what stats you are looking up, but this surgery is not a cure for gender dysphoria and it is not fking safe, it permanently rendering the person infertile

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@Shamalien fertility isn't the only measure of safety. Many gender affirming treatments do not cause infertility, and many people choose treatment that does cause infertility which is not gender affirming care. This isn't a new thing. This isn't a trans thing. It's one of the many possible risks of many possible treatments wit many possible positive and negative outcomes. This is why informed consent is most important practice.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

*gasp* oh no! The horror! Having the use *checks notes* a standardized email signature? 😱 u poor baby

[blueonblack22]

@GOLDFISH_smile fuck you. Really. I go to work to get A JOB DONE not to be forced into woke politics. If corporations were forcing conservative politics on their employees (which I wouldn’t like either) we all know people like you would screaming on the streets and probably rioting.

There is a clear Marxist objective behind forced pronouns and it’s goes right in line with twisting reality as we know it.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Lol I'm just having a little giggle. Just a little hehe, haha. Rlly having pronouns in ur email signature isn't any different than having ur legal name in ur email. It's compulsory that the let people know who u are, ur position was how to refer to u. Like including Mr or Ms. There's no Marxist objective behind that shit lol. If they had a include ur race or sex then that'd be another thing, but titles n pronouns is just professional info. Don't worry so much. U will b OK 💖

[Anonymous]

I got called transphobic by a man recently for saying that gender replacement surgery and hormone therapy isn’t helpful and that I don’t support it because a lot trans people commit suicide and experience mental issues like depression and PTSD post OP also I mentioned the biological risk harms that come with gender transitions hormone therapy wise like cancer, blood clots, decreased bone mass, etc.. also I mentioned that you can never change your chromosomes,

so there we go I still stand by my words though! We get attacked for speaking the truth!.

The bottom surgery is basically mutilation and after the surgery your body recognises that region as a wound that healed not as a reproductive organ.

[ZXCwWRQWz]

A way I look at it even though there are definitely exceptions is that a lot of women behave like nurses.

They comfort. They reassure. There's value in that but sometimes it can validate people's false beliefs. Their attempts to be kind can frequently blur or outright cross the lines of truth and reality.

Men are more like doctors. They say what is really going on.

[ZXCwWRQWz]

You ever seen those girl talks about ex-boyfriends? The girlfriend is like, "He's such an asshole! You are so right to leave him! You are wonderful! You go girl! He doesn't deserve you! You are perfect as you are!" Let's put a fat woman on a magazine and pretend like she's healthy and beautiful! She's perfect as she is pre-diabetic and all! Let's validate everything she thinks! No one tell her that she's about to lose her toes, feet, go blind, and die of cardiovascular disease! Let's just call her the most beautiful woman in the world!

Like that. Lots of woman are like nurses except for the very rare and really awesome ones.

[nolabels]

This "woke" stuff is on the way out.

It's all a house of cards.

People can be who they want to be, I'm one of them, (how about that), but the forcing of aberrant ideals on the mainstream populace is criminal.

Note that aberrant is not a scary, evil word.

It simply means different than the norm.

No harm, no foul when applied to oneself.

When shoved down others' throats, there I draw the line, even though I'm as aberrant as any might be.

[kylee2437]

I think what you said is correct. People are afraid to look at trans in the realistic light because feel like it makes them feel like a bigot. Maybe it’s because women are more emotionally oriented?

[blueonblack22]

Yes but this has gotten to be insane. Women are now prioritizing someone else’s supposed “feelings” to allow biological men into women’s locker rooms and women’s sports. But women are so brainwashed about being “progressive” they can’t even speak up to that.

If it isn’t obvious already I’m a conservative. But that doesn’t mean I agree with EVERYthing the right believes in. For instance I believe global warming is real (although I hate the modern leftist approach to “solving” it). However I am not afraid to speak up on that. I won’t get cast out of my social circles for doing so.

Seriously who are liberal women trying to impress? Who are they trying to please?

[kylee2437]

I agree, it has gotten out of hand, unfortunately there’s not much that can be done because you would first have to convince people that it’s wrong, but unfortunately people don’t even want to look at the fact that it ties into several mental disorders , so that’s where it kind of just turns into nonsense trying to convince people. I honestly just rant about this to my friends that understand it because at the end of the day it’s just something where you can only sit back and watch the dumpster fire happen

[kylee2437]

Fun fact for you though : my friend is a history teacher and she helped with prom this year. A gay fem kid (not trans) got in trouble at the prom for being in the girls bathroom however justified it by saying that the they/them in their school was allowed in the boys bathroom so he genuinely didn’t see him being in the girls bathroom (it was an honest mistake) . Our youth is even confused about all this stuff and it’s sad

[blueonblack22]

I am not criticizing it because I want to “control” people. But what these people are doing is ultimately going to lead to higher depression and suicide rates. We are trying to stop people from harming themselves. But I guess that’s “transphobic”.

[kylee2437]

I think an action does come off as wanting to control when it’s an argument that is one sided. You have to understand that what you say doesn’t matter to them because they already have in their minds figured out on what they think is correct. What we say doesn’t matter. You just have to let time pass and people become more aware of what they are choosing to support.

[blueonblack22]

Well it’s not about “you stay in your lane and I will stay in mine” anymore. I was recently heavily pressured to put my “pronouns” in my email signature at work. I declined but I am now worried this makes me a target. But changing spoken languages to fit progressive terms is a direct Marxist strategy. It’s not harmless. There is a very real agenda behind it.

[kylee2437]

Makes you a target to what? Seems like a bit of an overreaction. I think the issue is, is social media turns small issues into bigger issues than it actually is. I don’t believe in the delusion of transgenders, but I do believe people on social media causes people to think these ideas are end of life scenarios. The women’s sports thing also has been solved. It’s just something where there’s not much that can be done. The world has to cater to two different beliefs. It is what it is.

[blueonblack22]

At my old job (back in 2015) I worked for a medical marketing company. I was asked to manage an online paid advertising campaign for an abortion clinic after 2 year into the job. It was a small account of over 50 I had to manage. I politely declined and someone else was able to manage it no problem. I never spoke about politics at work but in that situation I was backed into a corner.

After that happened I noticed a big change in attitude towards me by my co-workers (they were mostly women). During a staff meeting one woman I kid you not said right out loud “everybody here is pro choice except Joey” in front of my boss and everyone else. But that was “okay” because I was a horrible bigot and “anti woman” or some other bullshit. I noticed increasingly more hostility and people were trying to get me to quit or lose my temper and get fired. I quit that job for something much better but that discrimination left me with a very deep grudge. That was my f*cking livelihood that was being threatened.

So I am NOT over-reacting. No. Cancel culture is very real and forcing people to put “preferred pronouns” into their email signatures is a way to identity who is woke and who isn’t. I don’t underestimate this bullshit. Liberals have no problem discriminating against people including depriving them of their livilihoods. We aren’t talking just about famous and rich people getting fired too. But average Joe’s like me and most other people.

[kylee2437]

Ehhh I think they just need to cater to two different beliefs now

[blueonblack22]

Yep we are moving towards a “dual economy” in the west and that’s bad. Really bad for our society, economic development and our entire country in general.

Honestly women need to draw the line on this BS but their not. Dylan Mulvaney had a bunch of more sponsors from make up companies. But I don’t see women boycotting this crap the same way men boycotted Bud Light (the boycott worked by the way). Here is a list of sponsors he was getting (including Kate Spade and Ulta Beauty)

www.newsweek.com/dylan-mulvaney-has-partnerships-these-brands-bud-light-list-1794187

[kylee2437]

Honestly though, there’s nothing that can be done. In order for that to work, you would have to convince the already convinced. Look at the people that replied back to this question and strongly don’t agree with it. The only way they would ever change their mind is if there’s a specific problem that directly shows that it’s affecting them and even then

[blueonblack22]

@kylee2437 I get your point. The problem is that for the longest time most independent/moderate conservatives had this “well this is stupid but what can I do?” attitude. We complain but we don’t take action. This is because we are just normal people and want to go along with our lives. But a small but very loud minority is absolutely hell bent I pushing their ideology. That is their entire identity and purpose.

But what bothers me the most is NOT the radical crazy people. It’s the impressionable silent majority. For example most of those women at my old job were not pro choice activists. However even 10 years earlier they would not have treated me the way they did. Hell no. But they drink the kool side and jump on the bandwagon.

Also no offense but from my observations women are much more susceptible to social contagion. They want to be with the so called “in crowd”. They see more afraid to push against the grain. Especially when they have been brainwashed this movement is about “empathy” (which is a total lie)

Not all women of course. But too many.

[D_Bone_Steak]

The sheer amount of people that are all supportive of gay/trans stuff on this site disappoints me. I don't have enough doll houses to smash over all their heads. :-(

[misogynistic_pig]

I am not a woman and I support transgender laws.

Is gender ideology a good way to eliminate female privileges?

[jshm2]

They aren't. Just as not many people support gays, Blacks. Jews and others. There will be plenty of small groups that like to claim so, though.

The conjecture is just there to highlight the issue, and thus make it a political votebank.

But in reality, they couldn't give a shit, they just use the issue to propel their careers.

[Anonymous]

This might be a really crude way of looking at it but because women score higher in agreeableness than men on average, it is easier to manipulate them into doing or supporting things as long as it is presented as moral or trendy even if it really isn't. Once it catches on, it will become moral and trendy in the prevailing narrative even if it is not in reality. The transformer stuff and things like socialist policies all sound good but will only lead to suffering in the end, as many have found out and will hopefully learn something from it.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I think because they are scared of being attacked or accused of being bigots so they go along with it.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yo, that image is too damn funny. 🙄

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

😂😂

[blueonblack22]

There is another “detail” the artist put in that image if you look at it even more closely 😂

Feel free to borrow it and share. We need to bring the hammer down hard on this bullshit.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Tell me?

[blueonblack22]

by the way women can BOYCOTT corporations that openly promote trans ideologies. I’m boycotting target for all of June despite hating to go to Walmart.

You can be low key on not giving woke corporations your money. It works too. Bud Light is getting a well deserved nail in the coffin.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I'm talking about the detail image you are referring to?

[Berethor]

It's irony, women tend to be more liberal than men, TERFs are fairly rare but I like them. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF

[blueonblack22]

Yeah I have heard of TERFs before. I’m absolutely no fan of radical feminism but at least they are more consistent.

[Anonymous]

You answered it in your question. Women make decisions mainly on emotion rather than logic. They're not thinking this through. I heard a pink G@Ger on here just yesterday trying to draw support for pedophiles because she said, "most pedophiles never act on thier pedophilic feelings". What kills me is this site was not removing it!

[blueonblack22]

I never thought there would be anything worse than a pedo until transpedos came out. They are people who encourage young children they are the opposite gender and out them through hormone treatment and therapy. That irreversible damage to a young child’s body AND psyche.

Now they are trying to pass f*cking laws to prevent the kid’s own parents from stopping it. It’s beyond heinous.

[LiamJHayden]

It is seen as a "liberal" idea and women tend to be more liberal.

"Do you know it’s possible to be supportive of gay rights yet against the trans ideology movement?"

Yes. My friend calls it LGB not T. There is a bit of a germination of a movement in the UK.

https://lgballiance.org.uk/

[Anonymous]

Women are more afraid of confrontation and are terrified of being labeled a transphobe?

[blueonblack22]

I guess so. But it’s rather pathetic they can’t stand their ground when biológical men are entering women’s locker rooms and competing in women’s sports.

Fun fact: Dylan Mulvaney had a ton of sponsors beyond bud light. This includes Kate Spade and Ulta Beauty which markets to women.

WHY don’t you see women boycotting these brands? Men spoke their mind with what happened with bud light. But why can’t women stand up to this crap?

www.newsweek.com/dylan-mulvaney-has-partnerships-these-brands-bud-light-list-1794187

[Opinion Owner]

I agree. The only way to put an end to all of this nonsense if women get on board. Men have done all they can, balls in their court now. All that talk about feminism, but when we really need it... the feminist are nowhere to be found.

[blueonblack22]

This bullshit would of never gone as far as it has if women drew the line. But they are so worried about “what other people think” that they are now embracing their own destruction. It’s one thing if they got brainwashed into thinking gay marriage was equal to traditional marriage. But now this? It came so quickly too.

[RealMarek]

Evolutionary psychology indicates that women tend to support those ensconced in power and their social norms. Our ruling elite promulgate ideology and women, realizing this emanates from power, are more apt than men to adopt and enforce it.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

women have always been more supportive in the stupidity of society. how do you think the feminism movement started

[AngryCarl2]

Women put up with a lot of shit. Maybe they feel less threatened by trans "women" than real men. That's just my take, as I know a lot of women won't answer the question in case they get, you know, attacked for having an opinion.

[blueonblack22]

Okay then. Well you got to state your opinion.

[AngryCarl2]

It's not MY opinion. I was trying to guess how women feel.

[blueonblack22]

Well I have to guess they don’t feel too great when a biológical man claiming to be “a woman” walks into their bathrooms, locker rooms and showers. Also I got to imagine that female athletes don’t feel too good when biológical men kick their asses in “women’s” competitions.

But they are taught to be “tolerant and accepting” about anything progressive and woke.

[AngryCarl2]

Yeah.

[Naydyonov]

Social-pressure for one. I think their empathetic side connects with the individual transperson rather than the mass of women affected. So they feel sorry for the one person and this blinds them to the effect it has on many.