I haven't even given an opinion yet because I already see more girl saying misogyny and more guys saying misandry. I'd just like to say all humans are fucked.
In the short term I think so. Like we're going to go through depopulation and social collapse in the West because we aren't having children and don't have families in enough numbers to support our industrial base. Actually China and Japan aren't either. So go Islam I guess?
I figure that if people get into space, slash, burn, and renew, or molder into the ashes, those are really our only paths forwards. Like sure, we could go a whole "Brave New World" route, which seems to be where we're steering. To me though that seems much more like slowing the descent into a spiral rather than stopping it.
We have the artificial embryos, uterus, so on and so forth, so it isn't long until those can be mass-produced. Our drug technology is also progressing quite well with fentanyl, and the laundry list of new antidepressants, boner pills, designer drugs, basically pills that make you happy coming out every year.
You also have AI technology pushing the bleeding edge, same with neurolink, and the push to get back to the moon, and beyond. I think it's less that humans are fucked and more so that the vast majority of us are trapped in a mindset of "it can't get better, it will only get worse" no matter what it is.
Generally that gets better with a new frontier to explore. Those are all tapped out on earth. Either that or drugs to make everything feel better all the time and keep all of us in a child like state of wonder and ignorance from birth until death.
I don't think misogyny was politically motivated, but out of necessity up until say the 1970s when most houses had electricity, easy access to running water, and you don't need a woman at home working hard on keeping a house while you have a man working hard to make that bread and butter. Over 60 hour weeks are standard until 1880, then it gets around 40 hour weeks in 1940. Every time you have sex you might have another kid on the way, your most wild entertainment is the AM radio. Also drinking and amphetamines, most of the meth going to housewives in the way of dexadrine to do those tedious chores around the house and be ready in bed when hubby gets home.
That shit sounds bleak. No politician would benefit from it, no policy would make money there. That's just getting through one day to get to the next with some nice events and kids tossed in.
didn't you notice recently a rise of videos on tiktok about high value males and redpill? Like andrew tate. These videos are there to stand against femenisim and the left. So misogyny is coming back by a political motive against the left. Thats what i noticed not sure.
Ah, I was about to go to bed when I replied, somehow I saw "have been" rather than "being". Like what, little house on the prairie wasn't published by black rock! lol
It's also pretty clear that Tate isn't politically sponsored with how swiftly and thoroughly he was cancelled, even going so far as to have Romania arrest him for human trafficking and what not because he allegedly seduced women to be trafficked... to him. Call me naive but I thought crimes needed victims.
Pretty much anyone in the men's right movement gets slammed down pretty hard. He pushes a pretty extreme ideology where very few men will run harems of many women. The problem is that it does line up with women who chase Chad. Same with pick up artists, no one can argue with their results, though many will argue about what they do. MGTOW is in the same boat as both of them, and incels don't have a choice to begin with unless they become PUA.
I just wish that MRM groups would focus more on men's lives, and the intersection with feminism outside of sex and dating. Like realistically the time and opportunities there don't define life, and take up relatively little time in it. Maybe I just say that because I am in a pretty privileged place there where I'm married and have a family, who knows.
I agree to an extent. Certainly the voices and gathering of misandry and misogyny are largest in anonymous groups online. Both do carry over to real world actions though. I'll leave the workplace out as that can be highly subjective (pay gap or EDI). Men get destroyed in divorce and family court, while women now are ignored as violent crimes are committed on them. I can't help but think that influence is creating the mentality of "no win" for both. Also the internet is a reflection of people, it had to come from somewhere, even if it was amplified there.
I do see how it is another distraction that helps them, like the left vs right divide, but this one isn't a 30% vs 30%, it's 50/50. Rather than focus on where our taxes are going, the deficit, food logistics, ESG, or anything like that, focus on online dating, EDI, and division. It isn't an angle I thought of, though I don't think it's that deep. It seems too organic and widespread for far too long, like since the sexual revolution. Individuals are making a lot of money to give shitty advice to men and women.
This is true, the feeling of walking on eggshells sucks, especially at work. Toxic masculinity is a joke. There are toxic men and women. To ostracize an entire gender because of a few assholes, male or female is not the way to handle it.
Add on to that every men's group that has popped up being labelled as dangerous, if I remember right MGTOW got labelled as a white supremacist group... Their whole shtick is simply to not be involved with women so that's confusing as hell. I can understand flak being thrown at PUA and some other ones though. Misandry is picking up steam, but I look on the bright side. As the marriage rate is falling, so is the divorce rate lol It doesn't help out in the job market, education, or those removing themselves though :/
I think with the feminism "madness". A lot of women have been made to think that Men are their problem... And you can come for me, but if I have an issue with a male chauvinistic man, I don't blame the whole gender.
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Neither, Child abuse is worse today.
Back then it was just labour, and everyone went through it, with the odd killer and rapist in the mix. Now there are CP sites and communities actively out to target children.
Uh, how so, I remember girls in my high school getting knocked up, then taking train rides to colorado to get abortions so their parents wouldn't find out.
Greyhound and amtrac are still running, the only legislation I remember even close to that was the whole vaccine passport thing. If it's legal in another state, you can go there. Any state that tried to pry into patient confidentiality would be playing with fire.
You may not realize that they're using misogyny on themselves to actually weaponize men making them more of a misandrist. If one woman objectify herself, she's objectifying millions of men.
@Aiko_E_Lara This makes misandry a product of misogyny, which means misogyny is a more deeply rooted issue. People are against men as an unreasonable measure against hatred of women.
@Aiko_E_Lara Men and women objectify themselves for attention, things, or just for the hell of it. I do agree with @VadeinVain that one breeds the other. Sometimes that pendulum swing is weighted towards one end, but misandry and misogyny feed on and amplify each other.
How was it back in your day? The grass isn't always greener, but from what my grandpa used to tell me about, besides the draft it sounded pretty sweet lol
We were brought up to leave things as good or better, not to destroy. Others' property was just that- THEIR property, and you had no "right" to it. People had to earn their way, not expect freebies to drop out of the sky for no valid reason. You didn't sit in an intersection and expect not to get hit by a car. Basically, you learned what you need to know to get through life in kindergarten, because teachers taught instead of run herd and count score on government-mandated BS. Take turns (teamwork): say please and thank you (courtesy): look before closing the street (sanity!): boys go in the boys room, girls in the girls room (biology) : wash after going potty (hygiene): open the door for others (polite respect), etc. etc. I was very early in the draft list, but since I have congenital muscle issues I was not acceptable for the Armed Forces, but I still had to go to the exams, etc.
Damn, so you were up for the tail end up Vietnam? Still, everything else seems legit, take accountability for yourself as you work in society, or don't be a part of that society.
I had to move twice during Covid to find a neighborhood where there were actual kids outside my kids could play with. I profited during both moves, but holy hell, to go through that much trouble and trying to integrate into a new community just so kids can be kids, it's insane. I still have some neighbors I'm just meeting who have children my kids' age just getting outside. They're all socially retarded.
Case in point! Two yeas of COVID has actually regressed some to a lower point than in the beginning. Talk about taking two steps forward and three back!
I am not saying that it should be illegal because then there will be conflicts as to what counts as misandry and we don't want to make the same mistake feminism made where they made anything that simply makes a woman feel uncomfortable count as misogyny.
My issue is that if the legal system and our so (y) ciety didn't have double standards they would have no standards.
I'm seeing that, it's probably because you're sending from mobile so (y) ciety. Let's see if that's different from PC.
I do agree that double standards in both civil and criminal court are to blame for a lot of it. Like no new laws need to be made, the existing ones just need to be enforced without bias, EEO policies need to be able to be challenged in court, alimony appealed when a woman gets remarried, child support should not lead to debtors prison. We aren't China, we don't have debtors prison.
That among many others. The ball just needs to get rolling. I'm not even going to address politicization of courts, it's disgusting, and it isn't fair to say it's just being done by the left. Local and state courts get co-opted by the right just as much around where I live and the only real difference is pushing more guilty verdicts onto everyone until it comes out that the DA was taking bribes and suppressing exculpatory evidence.
Well damn. What are the men stealing, and where are the women finding the men to sleep with if that's the case? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around that one.
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I haven't even given an opinion yet because I already see more girl saying misogyny and more guys saying misandry. I'd just like to say all humans are fucked.
In the short term I think so. Like we're going to go through depopulation and social collapse in the West because we aren't having children and don't have families in enough numbers to support our industrial base. Actually China and Japan aren't either. So go Islam I guess?
I figure that if people get into space, slash, burn, and renew, or molder into the ashes, those are really our only paths forwards. Like sure, we could go a whole "Brave New World" route, which seems to be where we're steering. To me though that seems much more like slowing the descent into a spiral rather than stopping it.
We have the artificial embryos, uterus, so on and so forth, so it isn't long until those can be mass-produced. Our drug technology is also progressing quite well with fentanyl, and the laundry list of new antidepressants, boner pills, designer drugs, basically pills that make you happy coming out every year.
You also have AI technology pushing the bleeding edge, same with neurolink, and the push to get back to the moon, and beyond. I think it's less that humans are fucked and more so that the vast majority of us are trapped in a mindset of "it can't get better, it will only get worse" no matter what it is.
Generally that gets better with a new frontier to explore. Those are all tapped out on earth. Either that or drugs to make everything feel better all the time and keep all of us in a child like state of wonder and ignorance from birth until death.
Both. Because they are being politically motivated
I don't think misogyny was politically motivated, but out of necessity up until say the 1970s when most houses had electricity, easy access to running water, and you don't need a woman at home working hard on keeping a house while you have a man working hard to make that bread and butter.
Over 60 hour weeks are standard until 1880, then it gets around 40 hour weeks in 1940. Every time you have sex you might have another kid on the way, your most wild entertainment is the AM radio. Also drinking and amphetamines, most of the meth going to housewives in the way of dexadrine to do those tedious chores around the house and be ready in bed when hubby gets home.
That shit sounds bleak. No politician would benefit from it, no policy would make money there. That's just getting through one day to get to the next with some nice events and kids tossed in.
didn't you notice recently a rise of videos on tiktok about high value males and redpill? Like andrew tate. These videos are there to stand against femenisim and the left. So misogyny is coming back by a political motive against the left. Thats what i noticed not sure.
Ah, I was about to go to bed when I replied, somehow I saw "have been" rather than "being". Like what, little house on the prairie wasn't published by black rock! lol
It's also pretty clear that Tate isn't politically sponsored with how swiftly and thoroughly he was cancelled, even going so far as to have Romania arrest him for human trafficking and what not because he allegedly seduced women to be trafficked... to him. Call me naive but I thought crimes needed victims.
Pretty much anyone in the men's right movement gets slammed down pretty hard. He pushes a pretty extreme ideology where very few men will run harems of many women. The problem is that it does line up with women who chase Chad. Same with pick up artists, no one can argue with their results, though many will argue about what they do. MGTOW is in the same boat as both of them, and incels don't have a choice to begin with unless they become PUA.
I just wish that MRM groups would focus more on men's lives, and the intersection with feminism outside of sex and dating. Like realistically the time and opportunities there don't define life, and take up relatively little time in it. Maybe I just say that because I am in a pretty privileged place there where I'm married and have a family, who knows.
I don’t think either is worse anywhere other than on the internet.
I agree to an extent. Certainly the voices and gathering of misandry and misogyny are largest in anonymous groups online. Both do carry over to real world actions though. I'll leave the workplace out as that can be highly subjective (pay gap or EDI).
Men get destroyed in divorce and family court, while women now are ignored as violent crimes are committed on them.
I can't help but think that influence is creating the mentality of "no win" for both. Also the internet is a reflection of people, it had to come from somewhere, even if it was amplified there.
I think both are equally prevalent Who benefits? Not us, the leet's..
I do see how it is another distraction that helps them, like the left vs right divide, but this one isn't a 30% vs 30%, it's 50/50. Rather than focus on where our taxes are going, the deficit, food logistics, ESG, or anything like that, focus on online dating, EDI, and division.
It isn't an angle I thought of, though I don't think it's that deep. It seems too organic and widespread for far too long, like since the sexual revolution. Individuals are making a lot of money to give shitty advice to men and women.
Misandry is worse. Masculinity gets attacked constantly in the media for being oppressive and toxic
This is true, the feeling of walking on eggshells sucks, especially at work. Toxic masculinity is a joke. There are toxic men and women. To ostracize an entire gender because of a few assholes, male or female is not the way to handle it.
Misandry, yes
Misogyny, absolutely not. Women used to treated far worse simply for being women many many years back.
Well, at least we can "identify" if it gets too bad.
Misandry is much worse and nobody really cares. Women think its funny.
Add on to that every men's group that has popped up being labelled as dangerous, if I remember right MGTOW got labelled as a white supremacist group... Their whole shtick is simply to not be involved with women so that's confusing as hell.
I can understand flak being thrown at PUA and some other ones though. Misandry is picking up steam, but I look on the bright side. As the marriage rate is falling, so is the divorce rate lol
It doesn't help out in the job market, education, or those removing themselves though :/
I think with the feminism "madness". A lot of women have been made to think that Men are their problem...
And you can come for me, but if I have an issue with a male chauvinistic man, I don't blame the whole gender.
Scales seem to fluctuate often lol. I voted currently, misandry. Just because. 😋
Misogyny is view through a magnifying glass and misandry is viewed through a telescope.
How do you mean?
One is small but spoken of often, the other is not seen as an issue but very prevalent?
@QA Sorry, it wasn't the best analogy but VadeinVain stated it better than I did.
@VadeinVain Spot on bro.
Neither, Child abuse is worse today.
Back then it was just labour, and everyone went through it, with the odd killer and rapist in the mix. Now there are CP sites and communities actively out to target children.
The world, misogyny. The damn Yankeeland, misandry, I reckon. Society gives everything to women and about half to men. Oy vey.
In the US? The recent anti-abortion legislation in many states makes the answer rather obvious.
Uh, how so, I remember girls in my high school getting knocked up, then taking train rides to colorado to get abortions so their parents wouldn't find out.
And there is much recent legislation attempting to prevent that.
Greyhound and amtrac are still running, the only legislation I remember even close to that was the whole vaccine passport thing. If it's legal in another state, you can go there. Any state that tried to pry into patient confidentiality would be playing with fire.
Misogyny is still worse. Because women are misogynist against themselves. At this point, they have fully embraced it! (See OnlyFans.)
You may not realize that they're using misogyny on themselves to actually weaponize men making them more of a misandrist. If one woman objectify herself, she's objectifying millions of men.
@Aiko_E_Lara This makes misandry a product of misogyny, which means misogyny is a more deeply rooted issue. People are against men as an unreasonable measure against hatred of women.
Except that's not even the only example of misandry. And I there are also many ways men objectify themselves to gain value
@Aiko_E_Lara Men and women objectify themselves for attention, things, or just for the hell of it. I do agree with @VadeinVain that one breeds the other. Sometimes that pendulum swing is weighted towards one end, but misandry and misogyny feed on and amplify each other.
That's basically my point. it takes two tango
I don't know, but they're both just as wrong and annoying.
(Wrong as in incorrect)
EVERYthing is worse today!
How was it back in your day? The grass isn't always greener, but from what my grandpa used to tell me about, besides the draft it sounded pretty sweet lol
We were brought up to leave things as good or better, not to destroy. Others' property was just that- THEIR property, and you had no "right" to it. People had to earn their way, not expect freebies to drop out of the sky for no valid reason. You didn't sit in an intersection and expect not to get hit by a car. Basically, you learned what you need to know to get through life in kindergarten, because teachers taught instead of run herd and count score on government-mandated BS. Take turns (teamwork): say please and thank you (courtesy): look before closing the street (sanity!): boys go in the boys room, girls in the girls room (biology) : wash after going potty (hygiene): open the door for others (polite respect), etc. etc. I was very early in the draft list, but since I have congenital muscle issues I was not acceptable for the Armed Forces, but I still had to go to the exams, etc.
Damn, so you were up for the tail end up Vietnam? Still, everything else seems legit, take accountability for yourself as you work in society, or don't be a part of that society.
I had to move twice during Covid to find a neighborhood where there were actual kids outside my kids could play with. I profited during both moves, but holy hell, to go through that much trouble and trying to integrate into a new community just so kids can be kids, it's insane. I still have some neighbors I'm just meeting who have children my kids' age just getting outside. They're all socially retarded.
Case in point! Two yeas of COVID has actually regressed some to a lower point than in the beginning. Talk about taking two steps forward and three back!
They are equally bad.
At the very least, misandric actions is supported by law in the west. I can't say the same about misogyny.
I don't see what you're getting at. Is it a good or bad thing that systemically bashing men is legal?
I am not saying that it should be illegal because then there will be conflicts as to what counts as misandry and we don't want to make the same mistake feminism made where they made anything that simply makes a woman feel uncomfortable count as misogyny.
My issue is that if the legal system and our so (y) ciety didn't have double standards they would have no standards.
So (y) ciety
Never mind I was making a play on words but GAG isn't having it.
I'm seeing that, it's probably because you're sending from mobile so (y) ciety. Let's see if that's different from PC.
I do agree that double standards in both civil and criminal court are to blame for a lot of it. Like no new laws need to be made, the existing ones just need to be enforced without bias, EEO policies need to be able to be challenged in court, alimony appealed when a woman gets remarried, child support should not lead to debtors prison. We aren't China, we don't have debtors prison.
That among many others. The ball just needs to get rolling. I'm not even going to address politicization of courts, it's disgusting, and it isn't fair to say it's just being done by the left. Local and state courts get co-opted by the right just as much around where I live and the only real difference is pushing more guilty verdicts onto everyone until it comes out that the DA was taking bribes and suppressing exculpatory evidence.
Damn, you're right, it just won't play out lol
All women are whore all men are thief
Well damn. What are the men stealing, and where are the women finding the men to sleep with if that's the case? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around that one.
misogyny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY
Why?