Why do American women still believe they need feminism?

[ManOnFire]

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Lmfao! So GaG sent me a message saying my last update was removed, and they gave no details or reason for doing it. It just said "This post has been removed." Because I named a female user who answered this question and then blocked me when I asked why she feels she needs feminism but couldn't even answer. But GaG couldn't say it. Probably somebody removed it who panders to the girl.

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Hey, sorry for the delay, everyone. They locked my account for a few days claiming I had "duplicate accounts" which I do not. But we all know what that was about.

[blueonblack22]

I’ve been saying this for a while. There was a time in history women had to be selfish for self preservation purposes. Mother Nature has enabled them to have less guilt and shame when it comes to using men for their own ends. This includes taking advantage of innocent men to “make up for” being harmed in the past from an unrelated bad experience with a different guy. Women more than men feel self “justified” to do this bs in their own self absorbed realities. Not all of them but way too many.

However nowadays women especially western women absolutely don’t need a man to survive in the word. They don’t need a man to provide and protect them. There are now ample career opportunities for women to make it on their own. They have law enforcement and legal systems to protect them.

In theory that’s great and all. I personally have no problem with women who want to be independent. However most women have not evolved out of their self preservation mindset despite it no longer necessary. Now they just want more and more and more. It just leads to greed, self absorption and hatred.

However Mother Nature intended to bound men and women together for both companionship and for reproduction. What these “modern” feminists fail to realize is that they are engaging in their own ultimate self destruction in return for short term benefits.

Do you really believe that demonizing, generalizing and exploiting men who did nothing to harm you won’t have any long term negative ramifications? Men aren’t bullet proof. We get depressed, jaded and worn out if we take too much abuse from women. They will give up. Is that “good” for women? Is it good to that men no longer trust them and won’t risk their money, time, heart and livelihood pursing relationships given then the escalated risks? #metoo scared the living hell out of a lot men from even approaching a woman let alone making a move. Is that a “good” thing.

The statistics are showing this. Singlehood rates are skyrocketing. Fewer and fewer people are getting married and/or having kids. Depression and suicidal idealization is up. Is this what the great fight “against patriarchy” and the “utopia” feminists really wanted? To be childless and unmarried your entire life? Is this good for society? Is that good for women?

[msc545]

@blueonblack22 VERY well said - thanks!

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 No worries. Men have to accept that this selfishness is engrained in the female subconscious (some are much worse than others). Women are good at putting on optics that they are caring and more empathetic. But in reality they are motivated by “perceived” self preservation. Not principle. That’s the ugly truth men just have to accept.

[KrakenAttackin]

@blueonblack22. Excellent post!

[Brittanyroseee]

I want to be childless yes lol

[Brittanyroseee]

It’s not a bad thing

[Brittanyroseee]

I just have other priorities and interests in life and babies/kids are NOT any of them

[blueonblack22]

@Brittanyroseee alright that’s your choice. And we here that all the time nowadays. But is being intentionally childless your entire life sound like an ultimate path to happiness? You may think you might be able to change your mind when you get older. But it does NOT get easier when get older.

[blueonblack22]

Also someone flagged this post as “trolling” earlier. GAG took it down and then put it back up. So pathetic.

Seriously did I not put some thought into my observations? Disagree with me all you want but telling feminists what they don’t want to hear is NOT trolling (or even more pathetic “hate”). So weak.

[Sixgunsound]

The CIA types who pushed second wave feminism in the mid 20th century are the same ones pulling puppet strings on women everywhere now to stop them from having children so they are more easily led to become wage slaves for corporate profits. Shitting down reproduction so as to get closer to compliance with the satanic guide stones isn't an accident either.

[Brittanyroseee]

@blueonblack22 sorry, but I don’t rely on other individuals for happiness. I also don’t really necessarily like babies or kids.. so why should i have them?…

[blueonblack22]

@Brittanyroseee remember no one is “forcing” you to have kids and/or marry. Those times are long past. Especially in the western world.

But really is that the long term key to happiness? Being voluntarily and intentionally childless your entire life? Some people don’t marry and/or have kids because they never met their viable partner. While that’s sad it’s also the bad luck of the draw. It just didn’t work out.

However is 100% intentionally avoiding that a really great idea? It’s not me “forcing” you to ah e kids by saying that. No. But it’s something you need to think about for the long term.

[Brittanyroseee]

Sir, i can find my soulmate without having kids……

[Brittanyroseee]

Again, having a child to be “happy” is selfish in itself and I don’t rely on another individual for happiness and also, since i have no interest in kids, it wouldn’t make me happy…..

[Brittanyroseee]

I literally have no interest in kids

[Sixgunsound]

@Brittanyroseee I'm happy you know yourself well enough to consciously decide that you won't be having kids, even though I'm sad to think that you will someday die alone.

[Brittanyroseee]

@Sixgunsound you know what is interesting? Everyone dies alone. With, or without kids. So yeah

[Brittanyroseee]

To have kids in order to not die alone, is so selfish lol

[blueonblack22]

@Brittanyroseee I’m on the same page with six gun sound.

Neither one of us are “forcing” you to have kids. We just think it will be a decision you may one day deeply regret. I think just us saying that makes you feel guilty/sad somewhere. You don’t like hearing that. You rather have us say “oh follow your heart that’s fine”. You feel judged because we gave you our honest opinion. And that opinion isn’t indictment on you personally but just that we disagree with your choices. But we believe in your freedom to make them.

However I am not going to change my POV just to make you feel better. No. However again no one is forcing you one way or another. You have the freedom to do as you wish.

But is really indicative of another major issue I have with modern feminists (I didn’t assume you are one but their beliefs are unfortunately pervasive). It’s not enough for men to give them their freedom and opportunities. No. They want us to literally change our OPINIONS about their choice to make them feel better.

They also think they can change male dating preferences. For example it isn’t not enough that society stops teasing and bullying heavy set girls. No these girls expect to get the same kind of romantic attention that their skinner counterparts do. If they don’t then it’s “fat shaming”. Feminists believe they can actually control men’s dating preferences which is insane.

[Brittanyroseee]

Im not a “feminist” i just literally have no interest in children so why would i have them?….. children are for people who want them and desire them. I could end up miserable and regretting the decision of a child so it’s better i know its not for me and to not have any to prevent myself from being miserable and to prevent child abuse from happening:)

[Brittanyroseee]

Child abuse meaning unloved and neglected

[Brittanyroseee]

Again, having kids to be happy is very selfish. Everyone dies alone. Go visit a nursing home

[blueonblack22]

@Brittanyroseee i don’t have kids. Reason being there is only one woman I’ve met in my entire life who (might) of made a good wife/mother but I met her at the wrong time of my life. That sucks but that’s reality.

However my decision to be childless isn’t completely voluntary. If I met the right woman I would settle down and start a family. I am not against the idea of having kids.

However I’m the oldest of my siblings. I have young nieces and nephews. I see what my brother and sister are going through and YET I see how it’s been rewarding for them even though they aren’t “free” anymore. There is a lot of stress.

It’s not a good feeling being childless and being older. Sure if I became a dad there would a ton of stress for sure. But with the right person I would do it.

But women intentionally not having children with men who would make good fathers is sad. I can understand why they want to avoid be knocked up from irresponsible asshole. But just turning that down with a good man is depressing.

[KrakenAttackin]

@blueonblack22. This is exactly why GAG is dying. The mods are tyrants who target and harass people. Traffic on this site is way down from a couple of years ago.

[msc545]

@blueonblack22 Making them even mildly uncomfortable is never permitted since they are privileged and entitled.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin exactly.

[Brittanyroseee]

@blueonblack22 sir, I don’t think you seem to understand that not everyone wants or likes kids.. there are tons of childfree married couples out there that despise kids and choose to not have kids. It doesn’t matter how good of a guy he is, I ain't HAVING NOBODYS BAGGAGE and i am NOT interested in kids. I don’t like babies, and kids are a huge responsibility and they are very expensive and i just am not interested in that lifestyle, nor am i willing to take care of one. Not my priority or goal. That’s just me and thats my preference.

[Brittanyroseee]

I like my freedom, solitude, privacy, peace and quiet, no noise, money to myself, being able to leave my house whenever i want, doing whatever i want even if it’s just me being lazy on my day off watching tv i would rather do that, than tend to a baby or toddler all day… doesn’t sound fun to me. I also find them a bit gross and messy and i am not down to change diapers or clean up after a kid. Gross. I like animals more. Give me a dog anyday! Shits outside not in a diaper, grows up fast, listens better when trained well, kids you cannot train them they usually never listen unlike a highly trained K9, a dog won’t throw a tantrum in public embarrassing me, a dog won’t demand things and yell at me, a dog won’t restrict my life like a child will, a dog is much less expensive than a child, a dog is fine eating the same meal for 10+ years, kids, you need to cook their meals, dogs can be left at home when you go out and do your stuff. I also don’t want to give birth either.

[blueonblack22]

@Brittanyroseee okay suit yourself. And again you are allowed to disagree with my POV. But apparently some people can’t handle it that I disagree with theirs.

by the way - no offense but you are living up to a stereotype saying a dog as a superior replacement to a kid. I hear childless women say that ALL the time. All the time. Constantly. It’s nothing earth shattering for me to hear you say that. I could of guessed that.

It’s fine if an animal gives you companionship. Hell I have a fish tank with glo fish lol. I grew up with a family Jack Russell that I sometimes miss.

However the bottom line is no animal will ever replace a human child though. They are great companions but not the same as watching a kid grow up. Can’t compare those experiences.

[blueonblack22]

But again I know I am not going to change your mind. But honestly this is not a good trend westerners are voluntarily choosing. Not at all. This is how s civilization dies.

[blueonblack22]

@KrakenAttackin @msc545 remember what I mentioned in the beginning of the question about the “selfishness for self preservation” evolutionary mindset?

This girl I’m debating above isn’t that bad. But you see what I’m talking about?

The weird thing is men are supposedly more stereotypically self centered and wouldn’t want the responsibility of having kids.

I guess that is true for many guys in their 20s. But I notice men (single or not) seem to respect the ideals of fatherhood as they get older. But I’ve seen other childless women in their 30s and 40s stay in deep bitter denial about this (the girl above is 25 so that’s a different story).

However most women especially modern women just can’t own up to the fact they made a big mistake earlier in their life. Instead they get more and more bitter and double down on feminism because they are in self denial.

[KrakenAttackin]

Again, well said. Women are hive thinkers and much less likely to question the collective wisdom of the sisterhood, which is why so many women are incredibly self-destructive in their behavior. They can't accept that partying hard on your 20's, having a lot of sex with many different men, is a poor strategy for long time happiness.

[blueonblack22]

@KrakenAttackin and what’s worse is that they think admitting fault means admitting defeat.

I know I’ve made wrong decisions in my life. Once had a very erroneous view of the world. But admitting I was wrong (when my viewpoint is defeated with sound logic) isn’t something I fight back at out of ego.

There is a difference between arguing to BE right vs. debating to figure out WHAT is right. Our country is doomed if we keep having the former shout down (and now censor) the latter.

[Brittanyroseee]

@blueonblack22 of course a dog is not the same as a child😂they are better in my opinion. Pets are not as huge of a responsibility and they are not as expensive and don’t restrict your time. A child does.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want to experience having a child 🤷🏼‍♀️i prefer pets. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just my preference

[Brittanyroseee]

It’s not a trend, it’s a preference. I don’t have interest in kids, so therefore I don’t Want them. It’s not that difficult to understand or grasp. Not everyone likes kids or wants them. A child is a huge responsibility and one must have that desire and i just do not🤷🏼‍♀️

[Brittanyroseee]

Oh and one thing after reading all y’all’s comments.. I don’t sleep around… at all. I don’t party. I hate partying. I don’t even drink.. or go to bars…

[Brittanyroseee]

I just literally don’t want the responsibility of a kid cuz i just don’t care much about them🤷🏼‍♀️it’s not something that interests me….

[Brittanyroseee]

I also don’t want someones baggage either🤷🏼‍♀️i want a life partner without a child being involved. Many married couples without kids exist!

[Brittanyroseee]

Having a child means you are serving someone else, it’s not about you anymore it’s about that child. I don’t want to live for someone else. I don’t want a child to become my entire personality and the center of my universe.

[Brittanyroseee]

They are a huge commitment and are very very expensive… very time consuming. Its just not something i want to do🤷🏼‍♀️

[RealMarek]

@blueonblack22 Good points here, but I think there is another dynamic that we see playing out. Western elites have long taught that history is progressive, an inexorable advance in technology, moral enlightenment, and liberation culminating (of course) in our globalist elites. This was easy for a moderately successful American baby boomer to believe given the post-war economic advantages they had and the way they screwed successive generations through massive debt. However, I think a better reading of history that better explains the decline faced by successive generations is that history is cyclical. High cultures rise, mature, decline, and either ossify or collapse completely. Examining the histories of the various great cultures, one can see that in each case a form of financial innovation rises that concentrates wealth in the hands of the elites, the elites turn against the common people and often invite foreigners into “global cities,” a form of feminism rises, and fertility declines. The only time in a historical cycle that bearing children is questioned is during the irreversible decline stage. In the case of the Greco-Romans the decline in fertility was so severe that Rome’s population dropped from 1-2 million to about 35,000 in the span of two or three centuries. They were not relocated or killed, they simply stopped desiring children. The European peoples are on track to suffer the same fate.

[RealMarek]

Whether a civilization endures after it declines (like the Chinese and Indian civilizations - frozen in terms of cultural development for over two millennia but still with us) or collapses has much to do with the values of its elites. In our case, our elites have become global in nature, many with roots outside the West, adding to the natural tendency against the common people that elites would have at this stage. Thus, we see them work against the common Western people in very cruel ways, consciously flooding the market with mass migration to impoverish the people, disrupting stable community and extended familial relationships, promoting anti-natalism among women (in the case of feminism explicitly so, through CIA ops), and so on.

My point in this is that selfishness is not the only, and perhaps not the main, thing turning women away from having children. The elites have created incentive structures for having children within their non-Western client groups, but they have imposed structural disincentives against having children couples with massive brainwashing efforts among people of European descent. Which is one of many reasons I say of the elites: Clear them out!

[blueonblack22]

@RealMarek very good point. Speaking of elites I recently noticed some highly suspicious diehard “pro Trump” supporters on a FB DeSantis support page. I theorize that elitists are going to cleverly promote the most radical controversial republican candidates for the 2024 with the plan to see them lose. They already were caught red handed doing this in the 2022 midterms. They spent millions of dollars promoting radical GOP candidates via commercials and attacking the more electable ones. It’s gross.

[Brittanyroseee]

Omg if someone doesn’t want kids who fucking cares 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

[ManOnFire]

@Brittanyroseee You are so concerned about that lol. But I don't want kids either for the record.

[Brittanyroseee]

Cuz y’all always get mad when a female states she doesn’t want kids😂

[Brittanyroseee]

Or call it selfish or “feminist” and women are brainwashed by feminism and birth rates are dropping

[RealMarek]

@Brittanyroseee “who fucking cares“: People who would rather not see the West continue its path toward catastrophic collapse.

[Brittanyroseee]

@RealMarek there are 8 billion people on this planet. I think we are fine😂

[Brittanyroseee]

Yeah who fucking cares? Do you want people to have kids even though its not something they want? Do you want more kids to be abandoned and unloved? Abused? Neglected? Not cared for?

[RealMarek]

@Brittanyroseee Those Westerners who die childless will probably be fine, but future generations will deal with impoverishment and hostile powers that rise in their midst and attempt to subjugate them. There will be no Star Trek like global government. That’s a pipe dream of Western globalist elites. Not all of us have lost the drive to see our family and culture survive.

[Brittanyroseee]

Thats cool. There are 8 billion people on this planet. We are not dying out anytime soon. So i think its fine for some people to not want kids cuz they simply don’t like babies and don’t want the responsibility of another life:)

[Brittanyroseee]

I've never had that “drive” to have a child.

[blueonblack22]

@Brittanyroseee the problem isn’t whether or not someone wants to have kids or not. It’s more for their REASONS for not wanting to have them. Especially when they could have them but intentionally choose otherwise.

I’m the oldest sibling in my family. All my younger siblings are married and have kids. I too once had an attitude that was semi similar to yours (I emphasize “semi”). But for me it was more about being stuck with a woman who would be horrible mother for my kids vs. me wanting “my independence and freedom”’.

I know for a fact I would give it my all if I became a dad. My own father was an excellent example and I plan to the same for my kids. But from I’ve seen it’s really “modern” women who are doing a real shittier and shittier job at raising kids nowadays (if they decided to have them). No wonder the are so pro abortion. They look at killing a baby fetus as no different than getting your blood pressure taken. I also notice that the parent who is usually pro “gender affirmation” for their kids is almost always a leftist mother. Rarely is a father truly supportive of that insanity (if he is he really was just strong armed into it)

I admit I started teetering off in different political subject above. But why is that young women nowadays who are so anti-parenthood and if they do become mothers they want the kid to reflect what they want vs. most men caring what’s best for the kid?

Traditionally motherhood was very honored in most cultures. Women give birth to human life. Now thats considered “slavery” or some insanity.

Why is everything so twisted now?

[Brittanyroseee]

Im not liberal so im gonna say that, and what is wrong with preferring freedom? My attitude will never change. Not everyone wants to dedicate their life to another human being. Its a huge responsibility that i am not interested in🤷🏼‍♀️

[Brittanyroseee]

Even if you don’t like their reasons, it’s their choice lol

[Brittanyroseee]

Your saying you would give it all if you were a dad and thats nice but people who don’t want kids/are not interested in that lifestyle, will not give it all they got🤦🏼‍♀️

[Brittanyroseee]

I mean, honestly to me, being a traditional housewife, being stay at home raising kids, sounds like slavery to me. I would hate having to take care of someone else 24/7 and having to answer to someone else. I would hate having to put someone before myself🤷🏼‍♀️you can think it’s “selfish” but it’s not selfish. I don’t have interest in kids so I wouldn’t dedicate my life to one ya know what i mean?

[Sixgunsound]

@Brittanyroseee is there a difference or better answer between being a nameless faceless cog serving a corporate master who has no reason to care about you or even know who you are and will replace you the instant a better option comes along and being in control of a household and protected and taken care of by someone who knows who you are, made the decision to choose to take care of you specifically because they have an interest in you, and are motivated to keep your best interests in mind? I don't see how a partnership on the individual level is slavery but being an interchangeable widget in a corporate profit machine where your labor benefits someone you will never meet or see is not? Modern office life is just an air conditioned plantation where they pay you in the debt of future generations for your time and effort now.

[Sixgunsound]

You are replaceable at work, but irreplaceable and more directly powerful at home.

[Brittanyroseee]

@Sixgunsound ah, having kids so you are not lonely, is so selfish and wrong… to have a child, as a care taker when you are old, is so self centered 😂look at nursing homes. Who do you think put the elderly in them? Their own offspring 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂with or without kids, you die alone. Period. Kids do not guarantee that they will be there for you and take care of you when your old. They will have their own life, family, career, to focus on. Also, i would rather have a professional doctor and nurse take care of me when im old. They know what their doing. Your offspring will get tired of taking care of you if you develop health issues.. kids should not be born to be care takers when we are old. So selfish

[Brittanyroseee]

Right im irreplaceable at work, but i have years and years of experience in the field i work in plus a license so i can always find a new workplace:)

[Brittanyroseee]

Raising kids is not slavery to people who WANT them and DESIRE them. Being in charge of a family is not slavery to people who want that lifestyle…. But to people who have no interest in it, it’s seen as slavery

[Brittanyroseee]

@Sixgunsound raising and taking care of kids doesn’t sound appealing to me🤷🏼‍♀️never did. Im not interested in kids let alone infant babies. Also who said i will be alone my whole life? Never heard of married couples without kids?… yeah they exist!!!

[Brittanyroseee]

Sixgunsound look, let me say something… kids are for people who want them, desire them, and are willing to make sacrifices for them. They are for people who are willing to take on that responsibility cuz kids are a huge responsibility. They restrict your life and are very expensive. They are not for everyone, and the individual must be 100% about kids. It’s not a wishy washy decision, or “idk, maybe, maybe not” or “yeah i do!” Without thinking about all the possible outcomes of a child and then realizing “fuck! This is not what i want” and no way out of the situation 🤷🏼‍♀️😩

[Brittanyroseee]

@Sixgunsound ^^^^

[Brittanyroseee]

I honestly will never understand why men will not just simply accept a woman saying “I don’t want kids” and just move on. Do y’all really want people who don’t want kids, to still have them?… like this is a serious question 🤦🏼‍♀️

[Sixgunsound]

@Brittanyroseee I never said kids I was asking about marriage. They can be exclusive as you said earlier.

[Brittanyroseee]

Y’all always have to bash us, or try to convince us otherwise when we already made up our minds.

[Brittanyroseee]

Marriage is different, a relationship is different. You are independent, your partner doesn’t depend on you. A child, does.

[Brittanyroseee]

Im talking about kids, not a marriage or relationship without kids.

[Sixgunsound]

@Brittanyroseee fair enough, but you kept accusing me of saying something I dod not. That is what I was trying to sort out.

[Brittanyroseee]

Not really. This whole discussion basically is how “feminist” women don’t want to procreate or take on the traditional housewife role. The first time you commented to me, it was basically telling me how i will end up alone without them blah blah blah

[Brittanyroseee]

And if you were talking strictly about a relationship you should have clearly mentioned that and you did not

[RealMarek]

@Brittanyroseee “I've never had that “drive” to have a child.” I totally believe that. What I’m suggesting to your interlocutors is that this lack of drive is not selfishness, but largely predestined as part of the Western culture’s lifecycle, which aftects all Western and Westernized people.

[blueonblack22]

@RealMarek @Sixgunsound

Brittany says she’s not liberal and not a feminist. Maybe that’s true. At least she is debating respectfully. A typical modern feminist would either 1) throw out a few cheap shots and scream about “patriarchy” and cower and block when she can’t back it up OR 2) have some sort of die hard argument for her viewpoints. She’s usually engrossed in communist bs propaganda. These types always make sure they have the last word in the debate even though they are completely deranged. There are insidious “trans” activists like that on GAG.

I don’t think Brittany is either above. But a deeper problem is how feminism is PERVASIVE and influential. There are large swaths of women who don’t identify as a feminist or even liberal but they are subconsciously being psychologically manipulated by a leftist driven zeitgeist. They don’t even realize it. That is what is so scary.

[CaptainOverthink]

Not American but... thinking about human nature..
Maybe it's just become the next rebellious trend for youth and young adults. No need to know what you're saying or thinking about the consequences, just get into the crowd and scream out your frustrations.
Easy, now you're apart of a group. Still don't feel like you fit in? Just pick an oppressed minority, identify as it and be loud enough, you'll be heard and have power for a moment, until the crowd takes over.

Youth and rebellion sort of goes together, difference is today they have influencial power online and with polarizing algorythms. This also means anyone can be a part of the new youth rebellion, before, kids always hung out where adults weren't, creating closed groups, now you just choose the right site or have similar clicking-patterns online.

Before 2015-2017ish feminism in my country was a political conversation based in studies and argument, then #metoo hit and it all just became so emotionally loaded and loud that rationality was pretty much canceled. You weren't allowed to be against it or be nuanced in any way or a storm would sweep you away in reputation-destruction.

Shortly after America seemed to jump on the same train and took it way further than we did in Sweden, probably because of population-density, americans being more open about their views and the way American news decided to exploit clicking-trends online.
When the George Floyd protests took place Swedes was protesting with BLM too, despite the situation being totally different here. Sweden is very much attuned to what happens in the US.

Anyway, I guess we cooled off a bit over here as we saw you guys blow it up off the top of the dome.
I feel like we are returning back to rationality and open discourse here, although still a lot of issues remain and many questionable political moves are still running it's course.
Some barely fueled by government anymore. We'll see what happens next, I guess.
Right now though we have more pressing matters that takes over the political scene, like the threat of war in Europe and the new economical landscape that's prestented itself. It's a brave new world.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

Irony is, is American "feminism" is the LEAST proper example of feminism you would find throughout the ENTIRE world. One of the main facets of original feminism was to STOP the oversexualization & objectification of women and sooo many American women strive to make themselves disposable sex objects that have little true value.

You go to European countries where original feminism is still more predominant and such women would be called as they are - tramps, trailer trash, whores, sluts, prostitutes, etc. - not lauded as role models for teens to emulate as American society.

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As for American women needing "feminism" they don't. What they need is a hard kick up the ass to rattle their little minds & some duck tape to shut their slobbering mouths.

None of them actually do anything useful.

Like a pack of dumb dogs they will bay about the same "unfairness" in American society where they have MORE freedoms than MANY women in other countries can dream about - and again in America where they predominantly act & behave like cheap useless whores - whereas they won't say a word about unfairness in other countries.

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I'm been very blunt because as a 4th generation ORIGINAL feminist - my great grandmother was a feminist before feminism was in vogue going from dirt poor to self educated landowner / rental property owner on her own - I look at today's "feminists" with nothing but disgust.

In American society "feminists" are nothing but an embarassment to the word. A disgrace. A disgusting mockery of what feminism was about.

[Anonymous]

Not all of us believe we still need feminism. There are still issues women face here, but there are also issues men face. Tbh I feel like feminism isn't really doing anything to help women anymore but it's still causing division and animosity. I wish it would just die so we can have some normalcy between women and men for a change.

[chris_987]

What pray tell are the issues?

[Opinion Owner]

@chris_987 For men or women?

[chris_987]

Let's start with women

[iheartwomen]

@chris_987 well women are raped, catcalled, and abused (i’ve also heard way too many stories on women being murdered for saying no)❤️❤️❤️

[Sixgunsound]

@iheartwomen Almost every first time gun buyer I work with at my store is a woman in the last year plus. Qualifying foreign purchasing a firearm is the most powerful equalizer the average person can get.

[Sixgunsound]

Qualifying for and purchasing lol

[iheartwomen]

@Sixgunsound i can't legally own a gun yet but i found this tazer that attaches as a bracelet and if the attacker try’s to take it and use it on you it stops working

[iheartwomen]

@Sixgunsound also ur cats cute

[MzAsh]

Well there’s still domestic abuse, rape, and an agenda against abortion, so as long as that’s going on, feminism will still be relevant and necessary.

[grega239]

How do you stop domestic abuse and rape?
I would really like to hear the solution

[MzAsh]

I wish I had a simple answer to that. A significant cultural shift is necessary where respect and partnership is the foundation. If not that, then I’m afraid harsher punishments are in order.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Women are AT LEAST as violent as men in relationships, FACT. "Rape" has come to be anything from a stranger attacking a woman to a drunk female consenting to sex than getting caught by her husband and deciding the encounter was "rape". Abortions, you have no right to kill children.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Ah, the professional cock tease bikini model thinks she can solve societies problems 😏

[grega239]

Why not learn self defense or be armed?
Its easier than implementing societal change.

Like, if i have a daughter, im not waiting for society to change, im signing her up for martial arts training and buying her a knife she can legally carry

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Funny thing is, you don’t need to be a feminist to fight against rape, domestic abuse, or abortion. Although the need for abortion is based on women's desire to fuck without consequences.

[KrakenAttackin]

@ManOnFire. Truth. I guess when you are used to never having consequences, the idea of accountability is horrific.

[ManOnFire]

@KrakenAttackin When you really think about it, it's wicked for a woman to want to abort a baby so she can skirt responsibility while reaping the benefits of sleeping around, but if she did have the baby and the guy didn't want to be a father she would try to get him for child support.

[abc3643]

Because they do.

Let's let Paulina Porizkova explain...
"America Made Me a Feminist" by Paulina Porizkova

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/opinion/sunday/paulina-porizkova-america-feminist.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

America Made Me a Feminist
By PAULINA PORIZKOVA
June 10, 2017

I used to think the word “feminist” reeked of insecurity. A woman who needed to state that she was equal to a man might as well be shouting that she was smart or brave. If you were, you wouldn’t need to say it. I thought this because back then, I was a Swedish woman.

I was 9 when I first stepped into a Swedish school. Freshly arrived from Czechoslovakia, I was bullied by a boy for being an immigrant. My one friend, a tiny little girl, punched him in the face. I was impressed. In my former country, a bullied girl would tattle or cry. I looked around to see what my new classmates thought of my friend’s feat, but no one seemed to have noticed. It didn’t take long to understand that in Sweden, my power was suddenly equal to a boy’s.

In Czechoslovakia, women came home from a long day of work to cook, clean and serve their husbands. In return, those women were cajoled, ignored and occasionally abused, much like domestic animals. But they were mentally unstable domestic animals, like milk cows that could go berserk you if you didn’t know exactly how to handle them.

In Sweden, the housekeeping tasks were equally divided. Soon my own father was cleaning and cooking as well. Why? He had divorced my mother and married a Swedish woman.

"America Made Me a Feminist" by Paulina Porizkova
As high school approached, the boys wanted to kiss us and touch us, and the girls became a group of benevolent queens dispensing favors. The more the boys wanted us, the more powerful we became. When a girl chose to bestow her favors, the lucky boy was envied and celebrated. Slut shaming? What’s a slut?

Condoms were provided by the school nurse without question. Sex education taught us the dangers of venereal diseases and unwanted pregnancy, but it also focused on fun stuff like masturbation. For a girl to own her sexuality meant she owned her body, she owned herself. Women could do anything men did, but they could also — when they chose to — bear children. And that made us more powerful than men. The word “feminist” felt antiquated; there was no longer a use for it.

When I moved to Paris at 15 to work as a model, the first thing that struck me was how differently the men behaved. They opened doors for me, they wanted to pay for my dinner. They seemed to think I was too delicate, or too stupid, to take care of myself.

Instead of feeling celebrated, I felt patronized. I claimed my power the way I had learned in Sweden: by being sexually assertive. But Frenchmen don’t work this way. In discos, I’d set my eye on an attractive stranger, and then dance my way over to let him know he was a chosen one. More often than not, he fled. And when he didn’t run, he asked how much I charged.

In France, women did have power, but a secret one, like a hidden stiletto knife. It was all about manipulation: the sexy vixen luring the man to do her bidding. It wasn’t until I reached the United States, at 18, and fell in love with an American man that I truly had to rearrange my cultural notions.

It turned out most of America didn’t think of sex as a healthy habit or a bargaining tool. Instead, it was something secret. If I mentioned masturbation, ears went red. Orgasms? Men made smutty remarks, while women went silent. There was a fine line between the private and the shameful. A former gynecologist spoke of the weather when doing a pelvic exam, as if I were a Victorian maiden who’d rather not know where all my bits were.

In America, a woman’s body seemed to belong to everybody but herself. Her sexuality belonged to her husband, her opinion of herself belonged to her social circles, and her uterus belonged to the government. She was supposed to be a mother and a lover and a career woman (at a fraction of the pay) while remaining perpetually youthful and slim. In America, important men were desirable. Important women had to be desirable. That got to me.

In the Czech Republic, the nicknames for women, whether sweet or bitter, fall into the animal category: little bug, kitten, old cow, swine. In Sweden, women are rulers of the universe. In France, women are dangerous objects to treasure and fear. For better or worse, in those countries, a woman knows her place.

But the American woman is told she can do anything and then is knocked down the moment she proves it. In adapting myself to my new country, my Swedish woman power began to wilt. I joined the women around me who were struggling to do it all and failing miserably. I now have no choice but to pull the word “feminist” out of the dusty drawer and polish it up.

My name is Paulina Porizkova, and I am a feminist.

Paulina Porizkova, a former supermodel, is the author of the novel “A Model Summer.”

[strateguy632]

bla bla bla that is attacking a straw man

[abc3643]

@strateguy632 Get a vagina and live as a woman, then bitch.

[strateguy632]

if i were a girl i would agree with the PINKS here who wrote it is only relevant in other countries not u. s.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@strateguy632 pinks? What’s a straw man?

[MrOracle]

Proizkova came from a poor, Marxist-run country where women were treated badly (keep in mind that Feminism is merely a cloak for Marxism - it exists to push Marxist ideas, not equality), and she first moved to Sweden, which was at the time an extremely insular country with extremely little immigration (legal or otherwise), had a homogeneous culture, and was wealthy because it came from a culture where *everyone worked* and paid their own way. There were fewer homeless people in all of Sweden than there are in my suburban Bay Area town today. This is why Sweden was able to have such robust social systems - they were a closed system and a mono-culture, where even the "poor" lived comfortable middle-class lifestyles.

America can't be that, because America has a long history of immigration, and that includes taking in large numbers of poor, unskilled people from many different cultures. No country could have Swedish policies with American-style immigration - in fact, just taking in a single wave of refugees has forced Sweden to radically alter its social programs and reduce benefits, because those immigrants do NOT come from a culture where everyone works to care for themselves, and the immigrants had no interest in getting a job and giving up the free money they were getting. While Sweden has robust social programs, Swedes rarely need them for very long, because if they lose their job, they usually find a new one pretty quickly.

[MrOracle]

Proizkova then moved to the US, and she used her status as a model to run in the highest circles of society, and she married a wealthy and successful rock star and lived a lavish lifestyle for 40 years. Then, her husband died, and she's upset that she doesn't have the same kind of career opportunities or romantic opportunities in her 60s as she did at 21. She's still wealthy, she still has access to the highest levels of society, but she's bitter that age comes at a cost for women - despite the fact that in her youth, she had power and access that most people could never dream of. She thinks she's owed that FOREVER because she had it in her youth - and THAT is why SHE is a Feminist. She would, if given power, use that power to undercut men even further, in an effort to maintain her youthful influence forever, instead of recoginizing that it was a gift of youth that passes for every woman, and that men start their adult lives at the BOTTOM of the scale, while she started literally at the top, and is resentful that men, after 20+ years of hard work, were able to build somewhere around the mid-point of the scale, while her power fell below that as she past 35 years of age. It doesn't matter that men have to work for everything, and she was given it, or that men will never reach the heights she once enjoyed - she just believes she's still entitled to her peak power, that she did nothing to earn in the first place.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure but I can think of a few reasons. Lies, Survival over Change, and Fear.

1) Feminists lie, to make the plight of American women seem like something requiring the existence of feminism.

Eg. The fake pay gap thing.

Note that the feminist movement did absolutely jack shit to prevent the over turning of Roe/Wade. An actual cause they should have been all over like white on rice, if they weren't so obsessed with bullshit and so ineffectual.

2) The upper echelons of the movement have made it a core of their identity. Without it, they're not sure what purpose they serve. So the movement becomes something whose primary goal is to survive, not to eliminate entrenched misogyny.

3) Even if a woman starts asking herself some big questions about the true modern day nature of the movement and comes to the conclusion she's not a feminist and doesn't support feminism in its current form, as soon as she speaks out against it the movement will attempt to cancel/silence/destroy her. So, fear of consequences.

[NamerOfStars]

Because they've been taught for their entire lives that they're helpless, weak, and horribly oppressed, that the only thing that can save them is Feminism, and to even question that dogma is not only blasphemy of the highest order, but an attack on women as a whole. Feminism, as it currently stands in the West, is one part cult to two parts long con.

Women are no less capable of critical thinking than men are, but they're less naturally prone to it, and society does everything it can to make women believe that they have no power over it.

[hahahmm]

The richer a society is the lazier its members become. Feminism is a symptom of lazy women avoiding taking responsibility while claiming to just want equality. Actually they want men to give them things they didn't earn. This is why you have women claiming that she's been wronged if she makes less money than the most successful man at work, ignoring the guys making less than him & definitely ignoring how those guys put in more time. Of course there's a few women who actually do think and act like dudes. You know, women who normal straight men don't even find attractive because guys aren't attracted to other guys.

[hahahmm]

I worked at a corporation where I was the leader of a team. A woman with 1/5th of my experience got hired and was "accidentally" promoted on paper to like 2 levels up yet she was still under me. Accidentally receiving huge pay checks, better title and so on. Yeah, right. This world is getting more evil by the minute.

[ariadneR]

Well I'm not an American woman so I can't say 😄

I don't know what to tell you, at the very core of it, they want to be treating as equals, but then complain when they are.

I'm an independent woman, but I still need a man. No man is an island, and that includes me.

Oh no! Did I just refer to myself as a "man" whatever will happen to me in today's society

[ManOnFire]

You are very much a feminine Queen, milady🌸

[Thatpearl26]

I think roe v wade really made the number of modern day feminists go up. Mostly because they were being fed lies that they don’t have access to abortion at all. Then there’s the whole thing about hating men and believing that women are better than them. Why can’t feminists accept that we have the same rights as men? It’s really upsetting that they feel the need to continue making a divide between the two genders.

[strateguy632]

to that, i am relieved to see you say that "already" the category "rights" has been balanced and i agree with you about the fear tactics misused by pro choice. especialy after 2016 when rnc controlled senate and the house and could make legislation any law did not try to ban all abortion, but today panic, what if rnc will get senate. dnc is so pathetic.

[abedheadstory]

American Women still believe in the need for feminism because of the persistent inequality in pay, lack of representation in leadership positions, and the prevalence of violence against women. Despite efforts to advance the cause of gender equality, these problems still remain, underscoring the continued need for feminism in America. Women are still fighting to be seen as more than just caregivers and to be heard in the workplace. They are also fighting for equal rights and equal representation in politics. Despite progress, there is still much work to be done in order to achieve true gender equality. For instance, women still make up only 23.7% of Congress, and the gender pay gap is still alive and well, with women earning only 81% of what men make on average.

[EmyyWolf]

Because women lowkey still face sexism everywhere they turn.

I have. I went to male-dominated jobs like security and the men looked down upon me as a weakling coward.

Then I turned to a more feminine job like a desk job or a leader position in an office and EVEN THERE. I still find myself competing against men.

It’s not obvious. It’s very lowkey. It’s very hush hush. It LOOKS like there’s no more sexism. But there is. It’s low-key or behind closed doors.

Im not from this nation. So I used to think feminists were nut jobs. But then I go to my own personal experiences. And I see the utter sexism still happening to me.

@manonfire

[EmyyWolf]

@ManOnFire

[EmyyWolf]

I wouldn’t behave like them though. They behave so immature. So insane. Too emotional. Too childish.
There should be a different way to fight these issues. But screaming and crying like a mindless child. Isn’t it.

[DextroShade]

They are brainwashed by the corporate media. Feminism served three purposes: destroy the family unit, reduce fertility, and increase the consumer base. Women absolutely don't need because there is no right that men have that they don't. Resist the slave mind, ladies!

[AnusNdaPainus]

It’s all they have left

No family

No Relationship skills

No

just a Job, a Dog, Feminism

this is why so many have Unrealistic standards

so when they die alone they can just claim they didn’t want to settle.

feminism is just little girls afraid to step into womanhood like a boy afraid to get out of his parents house and earn his own

these women fear womanhood they have no pride in their womanhood

being a traditional woman is shameful

[Brittanyroseee]

A dog sounds nice! Im fine being alone. We all die alone:)

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want kids. Why is that so bad?

[Brittanyroseee]

Yeah I don’t want to settle down with kids.

[Brittanyroseee]

A partner sounds nice but no crotch goblins involved lol

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee I’m just glad the next generation of women are waking up so they don’t get scammed by feminism like the you have

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee I’m already looking for a second wife lol

[Brittanyroseee]

Sir, why is it bad that I don’t want to be a stay at home wife taking care of kids that I won’t have interest in? Are all women supposed to want to be a slave to housework and kids? Are all women supposed to have kids?…

[Brittanyroseee]

I prefer animals, pets, dogs, cats. Over human babies and children. I don’t like babies, I don’t like young kids. I have no interest in spending my life taking care of a child. It is just not something i find interesting. It’s not important to me

[Brittanyroseee]

I also prefer solitude. I don’t want someone glued at my hip 24/7.. I don’t want to be stuck taking care of someone all the time. I prefer privacy and being alone. No noise. Just me.

[Brittanyroseee]

Also, everyone dies alone. Wether you have kids or not, you will end up in a nursing home and die.

[Brittanyroseee]

It’s not feminist to not want kids. It’s not feminist to have other priorities and interests in life. It’s gross how men like you only see women as wives and baby machines. It’s 2023. I would much rather make money doing something I actually love, instead of serving other people.

[Brittanyroseee]

Kids are expensive as fuck. Im not wasting my money on them cuz i could care less about babies in all honesty. Not worth my time

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee you’re going to serve people regardless because you can’t survive without other people miss “ I love solitude “ that’s was spoken like someone who has never had to deal extended isolation

Women are not the foundation of a Prosperous healthy society families are.

What is gross is women like you demonizing women who actually have pride in their femininity

You women want to be like men but can’t even handle the responsibilities of being a woman like I said pitiful weak and sad = modern women in a nutshell

I can’t wait till women like you are in homes so we can re-educate the young women

[Brittanyroseee]

Sir i hate kids. Do you want me to still have them even though I dislike kids?

[Brittanyroseee]

I would be miserable with kids

[Brittanyroseee]

Ah, good im on birth control. Im also thinking of getting my tubes tied too in the future:)

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want the responsibility of a kid cuz i could care fuckin less about them

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee no need to get them tied 90 percent of your eggs will be gone by 30

What I don’t understand is why people like you think you have a dog in this fight

People like you who don’t care should just keep their opinions to themselves

Just please don’t become some miserable bitter Karen harassing families at the beach, park or restaurants

And I guarantee you will not feel the same way you do now when you are 38 and have already lost the option to have children

[Brittanyroseee]

Cool, im glad 90% of my eggs will be gone by 30. Im 25 now! Im not planning to have kids so why does it matter?

[Brittanyroseee]

Oh, idc if people have kids. That is their choice 😂just like it’s my choice to not have my own🤦🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[Brittanyroseee]

My aunt is 67 years old and is married. Has been married for 30 years. Her and her husband have no kids and she told me straight up she is glad she doesn’t have kids. Same with her husband. They don’t like children and never wanted them

[Brittanyroseee]

My brother is in his 30s and married. No kids. Him and his wife despise kids and my sister in law got her tubes tied

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee I realize this may shock you but your life is not about you.

[Brittanyroseee]

This may shock you, but yes it is absolutely about me because it’s MY FUCKING LIFE.

[Brittanyroseee]

Sir, since when are kids a requirement in life? They are a choice. Why are you so offended by my choice that doesn’t affect you or anyone else?

[Brittanyroseee]

Do you want me to have a kid I don’t want and the kid ends up unloved and seen as a burden?

[Brittanyroseee]

“Your life is not about you” did you hear yourself? You said “your life” correct it’s MY life and it is about me because it’s MY life😂😂😂😂😂😂😂like what drugs are you on?

[Brittanyroseee]

I apologize that kids are not a priority in MY life😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂i didn’t know that children are a must😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂i had no fucking idea that im supposed to have kids even though I clearly do not want them

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee I feel sorry for you.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee so much growing you have to do

Keep living little girl.

[Brittanyroseee]

Many people have kids and aren’t “grown up” a child doesn’t make you grown. My mind won’t change and it doesn’t need to. Bye

[Brittanyroseee]

You know what? Fuck them kids!

[Brittanyroseee]

I feel sorry for people like you who believe that everyone must live the same life. weird. People are free to do what they please. It’s everyone’s own life.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee “The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others”
- Mahatma Ghandi

Like I said keep living little girl

Live long enough to see how wrong you are

[Brittanyroseee]

Im sorry but im not required to “serve” others. Im not required to have a child. Since when are kids a requirement? They are not.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t like children and i do not like babies. I never had interest in having a family or being a mom. I don’t want that lifestyle or responsibility. I don’t have to do that. It’s MY life and nobody is in charge of my life but me. Im not gonna make myself miserable for no fucking reason.

[Brittanyroseee]

Babies are not cute. Dogs and cats are better. Babies are smelly and gross and shit in a diaper. Dogs shit outside and cats shit in a box covered in sand and you use a scooper not touching the feces whereas an infant, you are touching urine and stool. Gross. Nasty. Babies drool and randomly vomit. Im a vet nurse and never had puppies randomly throw up or pee on me. Kids throw tantrums in public. A dog and cat won’t. Kids are demanding and yell at their parents half the time they don’t get what they want, pets don’t do that. Kids are very expensive, pets are no where near that! Kids are lowkey annoying and hardly listen. Well trained pets listen better.

[Brittanyroseee]

Imma keep shit talking babies until i get my point across 😂😂😂😂😂🤷🏼‍♀️

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee do you believe you are a selfish person?

[Brittanyroseee]

Again, im selfish for not wanting kids? Better I shouldn’t have them😂😂😂😂

[Brittanyroseee]

It seems like you want people to have kids even if they don’t want them or like them which is weird. That child will end up neglected. Kids are not a life requirement. They are not a must. It’s my life at the end of the day and i can choose how i live my own life. The way i live, does not affect you or anyone else.

[Brittanyroseee]

Kids are not an interest or priority in my life. End of the story

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee do you think you are a selfish person? How would you feel if human beings became excited tomorrow?

[Brittanyroseee]

Honestly idc😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Brittanyroseee]

There are 8 billion people on this planet. We are not going to go extinct anytime soon. My choice of not wanting a child doesn’t affect the world. We are overpopulated if anything😂

[Brittanyroseee]

No im not selfish for not having kids I don’t want and won’t love😂👋🏼im sorry this is so fucking hard for you to grasp

[Brittanyroseee]

Im also not a baby making machine or breeder.

[Brittanyroseee]

Why do you want someone, who doesn’t like kids, to still have them? I don’t get it. Do you want that child to be neglected?

[Brittanyroseee]

I literally don’t understand why you are so offended by my preference and choice in my own life… kids are not important to me. They don’t interest me. I don’t care for them. Period.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee like i said when you’re old and empty and your life is missing something you’ll regret it

[Brittanyroseee]

Ask my 67 year old aunt who has been married for 30 years with no kids and is happy!!!

[Brittanyroseee]

I would rather regret not having children than regret having them👋🏼

[Brittanyroseee]

Having a child to not be alone when old, is selfish.

[Brittanyroseee]

Also

[Brittanyroseee]

If you have kids to not be “lonely” that is so self centered 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Brittanyroseee]

With or without kids, you die alone. Everyone dies. Boo fucking hoo and who said i will be alone when im old? What if im married or i have a relationship? Yeah exactly fucking bozo!!

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee you don’t even believe what you are saying

“ Everyone dies alone “ = coping mechanism.

[Brittanyroseee]

Correct. Everyone dies alone. Everyone died period. To have a child as a source of entertainment or as a care taker is super selfish and self centered lol

[Brittanyroseee]

Visit a nursing home. Look at all the elderly in there, due to their own offspring putting them there😂with kids or without, you die alone.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t need a copy of myself to be “happy” that is so selfish sir. I don’t need a copy of myself to not be lonely.

[Brittanyroseee]

My aunt is in her 60s and has been married for 30 years, no kids.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t like kids.

[Brittanyroseee]

I don’t want the responsibility of a child. I don’t want to take care of someone else

[Brittanyroseee]

I see kids as a chore, not as something i would die for or enjoy doing with my life

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Brittanyroseee you keep wrapping yourself up in that big warm lie but when you come out the cold hard truth will be waiting and you can take it or leave it

[Brittanyroseee]

Its not a lie, its my preference and opinion

[Brittanyroseee]

Again ask my aunt who is 67 years old and married with no kids. She is happy. Her and her husband don’t like kids

[Brittanyroseee]

Tons of married couples exist without kids and they are happy

[Brittanyroseee]

Kids are not the only way to a fulfilling life and if you have kids to not be alone you are very selfish

[Brittanyroseee]

I would rather regret not having kids than regret having them🤷🏼‍♀️bye now!

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Where'd you get that notion that "American women still believe they need feminism?" in a world where feminism has gone quite toxic.

There's too much of that everywhere, not just in the USA, and it needs to be cut back.

[Smashingdoozy]

I'm not going to really entertain this question because no matter what I say you'll come up with some excuse.

However, re: your update. Your other update would have been removed because you mentioned a member in what I assume to be a negative light which isn't allowed.

[inhua]

public school and college indoctrination

peer pressure and popular trends

narcissism, entitlement and the need for victimhood

liberal news media and propaganda

fathers and boyfriends who are too spineless to do anything

the list goes on

[ZXCwWRQWz]

They're taught in American sociology courses like sociology 101+, Gender/Women's Studies, Fat Studies, Queer Studies, etc, that any inequality in outcome must necessarily be the result of discrimination. If I believed what I was taught in sociology, I would be joining them in parades to overthrow the patriarchy. The difference is that I also took courses in economics, biology, psychology, physics, history, political science, etc, all of which contradicted what I learned in those courses.

[Anonymous]

The answers here and the attitudes behind them is why we still need it. Those in a position of privilege are the most threatened by equality. Women still have not achieved equality in wages or advancement in the workplace and now we have stepped backwards in reproductive freedom. Progress is still needed so now is not the time to let up.

[inhua]

"Those in a position of privilege are the most threatened by equality."

ah yes like the ones who can make false rape accusations and be automatically believed

like the ones who can physically assault the other gender and get away with it

like the ones who don't have to do dirty jobs or be forced to fight in the frontlines of a war

like the ones who get to leave a sinking ship first and the other gender is prioritized last

like the ones who can overwhelmingly file for divorce and take half the assets and finances of their spouse even if they were the ones who were in the wrong

like the ones who have excuses lined up for them whenever they engage in bad behaviors like cheating and backstabbing

like the ones who can force a man to pay child support for a kid that's not his otherwise he is sent to jail even if he tries and fails

oh there's plenty of privilege in that one gender alone, so much so that when equality is actually enforced, it seems like oppression to them

[HighValue]

Women have MORE rights in the USA than men. the wage gap is a lie that only ignorant people still try to claim.

[Vegasrunner]

@anonymous Why do you believe women have not achieved equality in wages or advancement in the workplace?

[grega239]

You want to increaae your wage, prove that you deserve it like men have to.
You want a promotion, prove that you deserve it like men have to.

You have more reproductive eights than men.

Demand that your government includes women are potential combat recruits in case of war.

[strateguy632]

if you were sincere you would not hide anonymous for this.

[JeffersonA]

Lol cause all the guys being girls but feminism has been radicalized and a shell of what it was by women who hate and are tired of men... So we just slowly take it over by being women.

Before it was needed and it got women voting and rights...

[molonski2]

Its most certainly gone way too far now , and its actually affecting the birth rate and the stability of future generations , its certainly a completely outdated concept , time to get back to reality , far too many loud , obnoxious women who want everything both ways.

Imagine if Tiger Woods had attacked his wife with a pitching wedge? Yet she did , and what happened? Nothing , he wouldn't let it be included , for the sake of his children , the entire basis now is ludicrous.

[Billlewis]

In my opinion, women today not only need feminism, they deserve it. Any philosophy, concept or belief that increases the amount of power and control that women have over guys can only provide a better environment in which our relationships with them are much more likely to be mutually fulfilling, long lasting and more productive.

This is my opinion only.

[Anonymous]

Seems to be mostly a case of American women needing a cause to fight, persecution Fantasies. The feminists I've met here are generally college kids or older childless women. Women in general seem to drop feminism when they get married and have kids and reality hits.

[loveslongnails]

You're 20 years old, and I don't think you realize when and why "real" feminism started. It's not what it got hijacked into being today. In fact, the USA could stand use a LOT more of what the original feminists tried to do, right now. Instead, you have fake Christians acting like the Taliban trying to force their misguided beliefs on every people, especially women, and make it "law". Theocracy and fascism at its finest, but "feminism" makes a great scapegoat and straw man.

REAL feminism is still needed for the simple fact that there's still a minority movement in the USA that has gerrymandered their way into too much control of people's lives, especially the lives of women - they're called Republicans.

[Opinion Owner]

@loveslongnails I wasn't educated in America so I'm well educated on the subject of women's rights.

[loveslongnails]

Well if that's true, you would know that this statement here isn't true: " Seems to be mostly a case of American women needing a cause to fight, persecution Fantasies." There's PLENTY of real causes for women to fight for over here, the biggest one now is being in control of their bodies, in my opinion. The women I see fighting for their rights over here are not making up or inventing a struggle because they've nothing better to do, or because they have persecution complexes.

It was only 50 years ago that a woman could get a credit card in her own name, based on her own credit. It was only 42 years ago that a Supreme Court decision had to come down saying that a man did NOT have sole control of joint property, nor could he make decisions about it's sale without his wife's consent.

I go back to abortion rights here. Women have died here in recent months because they forced carry non-viable fetuses to term because the complications or disease were diagnosed after 6 = 12 weeks. They have been refused lifesaving care by hospitals until they are on the verge of death. A number of rural hospitals have completely shut down their birthing centers due to liability risks, forcing women to drive hundreds of miles at times in an emergenc. It's insane. It that's feminism, then hell yes, it's still needed in my fucked up country.

[Opinion Owner]

@loveslongnails isn't the credit card like 50 years old?
People are refused life giving care in America on a basis. Women have complete control of their bodies and can work any job a man can.
What rights do men have that women do not? Women in this country have more rights than men. Marry a man and when you divorce you get alimony payments, half his property and access to his pension. You also automatically get full custody and he must pay child support even if turns out the child is not his. You can also make any number of false allegations without the burden of truth and be believed, you don't even have to remember the year, month or time any of it supposedly took place which is crazy. I would say Women in America have more rights than men.

[loveslongnails]

The credit card is 73 years old (you could have looked that up).
" People are refused life giving care in America on a basis." - I don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse or not, but here's the shit that's happening to women: www.npr.org/.../miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio There are dozens and dozens of such cases, and they're piling up daily.

So now you're a lawyer too, hmmm? You're also spreading misinformation, and a lot of it.
" Marry a man and when you divorce you get alimony payments" - Simply not true. Depends on individual situations and who is making the most money>
" half his property and access to his pension." Also not true. Much of it depends on the state, prior agreements and again, individual situations.
"You also automatically get full custody" - ABSOLUTELY not true. Nothing is automatic about custody, especially FULL custody. The only thing that's true is women are likely to get custody if a) they;ve been the primary care giver and b) the court decides that's in the best interest of the child.

" and he must pay child support even if turns out the child is not his." - Turns out? IF a court determines that a man has been acting as a parent to a child for "x" amount of time, and he was living with the mother of that child, marriage or genetics are not a determining factor in the court's decision. I remind you that child support is for the child, not the mother, who at best is the administrator of said support. That can be challenged if the supporter feels it's being mismanaged.

[loveslongnails]

"You can also make any number of false allegations without the burden of truth and be believed" - And you can ALSO be sued for false accusations. Anyone can make up a story, but any D. A. worth their salt would not proceed in a case like that, whether they believe it or not, without some corroborating evidence. Again, Ms. Not A Lawyer, even in a civil suit, the burden is on the accuser to produce "a preponderance of evidence" to support the accusation. If you're referring to the recent proceedings against Trump, that's what happened.

[Opinion Owner]

@loveslongnails... and was credit an easy thing to get 50 years ago?
So you confirm that men are treated unequally in this country. We've a less sexist legal system back in Ireland and the UK based on gender equality. No such thing as alimony for instance. Child custody is fairer.
Generally in the uk and Ireland the responsibility is on the woman to control her reproductive rights by using contraception.

[loveslongnails]

What points are you trying to make? You're pointing out that women are INDEED treated unequally in the USA. This question has NOTHING to do with how things work in Ireland. Nothing. How things work in Ireland is irrelevant to this question. Try and stay on point.