Did enslaved people develop skills that could be used for their personal benefit?

[OddBeMe]

That’s what DeSantis’s review board want to teach school kids.

Credit for the education!

Yes of course!

No, that’s abominable

Other

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So…I’m unsurprisingly seeing a lot of pro DeSantis shitheads here. They’re passing this off as “slavery was a good thing.”

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Not sure if it’s a lack of understanding. This is what Florida wants to teach about slavery…blurring America’s guilt. Pussy shits.

www.nbcnews.com/.../new-florida-standards-teach-black-people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418

[Naydyonov]

Every experience provides a skill. Even captivity teaches a person how to overcome a lack of freedom, as well as the ability to swallow one's pride and feelings to survive. When doing forced-labour, the person learns how to do certain jobs/tasks.

The question is always: does the cost justify the benefit?

Concentration-camp inmates developed survival skills for living in that world. Not all survived to the end of the war, but to survive even a year in the ghettos required skills, to survive a year in the camps required more skills.

Was it worth having millions killed for a few thousand to survive with these skills? Evidently not.

Yet, when assessing whether they developed skills, it is obvious they did. The next question just becomes: how useful are the skills learned for what comes after? (Camp survivors: liberation Slaves: emancipation).
In marginal ways, it probably does help. Compared to the numerous traumas (mental/physical) sustained during slavery for the majority, it in no way was an efficient preparation for their emancipated lives.

A simple example of that of a bullied child. He will (maybe) grow a tough skin and maybe even be impervious to bullying as an adult, but he will also carry trauma. There is objectively a benefit to the bullying for him, but it is wholly outweighed by the missed childhood absent of bullying. Yet, if facing bullying as an adult, his previous experience could be what helps him ignore it.

[OddBeMe]

And you think this should be taught to children when learning about slavery? Their young minds will get the nuance that “no these were not considered people, but we gave them skills.”

[Naydyonov]

When my (future) children eventually ask me questions, knowingly or not, about the Holocaust, I will tell them in broad terms what it was, how it affected our family. I will probably not mention Kapos.
Once they are older, then I will mention Kapos and people like Schindler, to show them the nuance between who is good or bad — that there were collaborationist Jews and Germans who helped Jews. This is a critical thing to learn about: the grey-area. That you cannot simply assume that all Jews, all slaves, all victims of any event acted alike or had the same experience.

When it comes to slavery, then obviously it is a factor that the slaves were taught to carry out certain manual-labour, which they did for the benefit of the slave-owner, but inherently they could've & should've been doing this labour for their own benefit, which many did once freed.

How I would characterize it: "Slaves without skills cannot be robbed as much because their labour is less productive. By teaching slaves certain basic skills, the slave-owner could benefit more from having his slaves produce more. This was especially more necessary due to the relatively limited number of slaves brought to continental America. In South America and the Caribbean, where great numbers of newly enslaved people were brought continuously, the death-rate among slaves was high, as the slave-owners worked their slaves to death, and cared little about increasing efficiency. In all places, physical-force was used to make slaves comply. But the incentive of the American slave-owner was to keep his slaves alive, as he could not easily replace them. This explains why as brutal as they were, the slave-owners rarely killed their own slaves. Yet a question to ponder is whether they didn't kill their slaves out of a sense of right or wrong OR because they knew it would negatively impact their own finances."

[OddBeMe]

It’s seems, and more info could come out about DeSantis’s “research” that he’s shifting the blame.

What of a German guy said, “We gave those Jews pride of work. Work makes you free…”
Pretty sure you’d lose your shit.

[Naydyonov]

Except it was blacks who made Florida's new curriculum changes, so the equivalent scenario would be if a Jew changed Germany's curriculum to the "pride of work" thing.
From my knowledge, their justification for this change is to show that even in bad conditions, blacks tried to make the best of their situation, thereby showing resilience

[OddBeMe]

Antisemitics too.
https://youtu.be/RPNE4HRXOVQ

[richardcory]

I'm sure in some cases, but its way down the list of things to be taught about slavery, so adding it to the curriculum seems be a direct attempt to make slavery seem less bad.

[OddBeMe]

Finally. MHO.

[Киттйлинк]

wether that's true or not I don't care I wouldn't want to be treated like that just to learn something for whatever benefit. the photo posted above alone is horrible, and that' was not just done to black slaves, it's evil people in the world who still today do it to even their own kids behind closed doors where nobody sees. there are so many abused people, mostly kids who are being abused this very moment being hit for ridiculous things because the people who are in charge are mostly mental. Get some type of satisfaction out of hurting people to that extent. So it won't matter what skills you obtain from abuse of any sort, it's never something anyone would want for the sake of those skills so it's pointless to even address that, why waste someone's time teaching that shit. Ridiculous.

[OddBeMe]

Sure but our current govt is guilty of having done that.

[Anonymous]

Technically yes but slavery was not needed to learn it.

It's like learning to make sandwiches with a boss that takes every slip up as a writer up. You're learning to make a sandwich but through a shithead that doesn't give a rat's ass about you and will gladly punish you for the slightest slip-up.

[OddBeMe]

And you know, not being considered a legal human being.

[Opinion Owner]

Of course

[Stoner710]

Technically they did. (This is not an advocate for slavery). They learned to farm they learned how to fix wagons take care of horses and other live stock. They learns how to cook and clean which did benefit them one they were freed by the Republican Party when they were freed they could take the skills they learned when they were slaves so technically, yes, they didn’t learn skills that were a personal benefit for then once they were freed

[OddBeMe]

That’s DeSantis’ line. But it’s advocate for “get over it”

[Sargentcaptain]

This is just an obvious fact. You think people are born with the innate knowledge of handling a farm, plantation, reading, writing, etc. You can take your bullshit pearl clutching and shove it.

[OddBeMe]

And should children be taught this alongside slavery? They’ll get the nuance?

They’re not people, they were our property…but they got skills!

[Sargentcaptain]

This is literally just teaching kids the full history of slavery. I thought you'd be happy with that.

[OddBeMe]

No…it’s manipulating children’s beliefs in order to some day get slavery off America’s debts.

[Sargentcaptain]

Ironic, considering you want to do the exact opposite, yet that's just fine. Also, how come you don't want kids to know the full history of slavery?

[OddBeMe]

Actually no I want to get slavery off America’s debts the right way.

[Sargentcaptain]

I'm sure you think you do.

[summiter]

Of course not. If they were not slaves they would have developed skills from their jobs that paid money!

[stepyo99]

It taught black people the value of hard work. But if they didn't like the lesson, they're more than welcome to go back to Africa.

[msc545]

No that is just a racist excuse for terrible behavior.

[gorydetails]

Some of the freed slaves learned how to own slaves. So there’s that.

[OddBeMe]

Maybe but seriously looked this up after Django. And didn’t really find any real stats. So maybe so e famous sociopathic freedmen.

But that doesn’t really matter. What does: will kids get the nuance of “yes we owned slaves who weren’t people but did gain skills…”

[gorydetails]

I don’t think most kids are as simple minded as you.

[OddBeMe]

Show me where to look for this history of black slavers.

[gorydetails]

you have google.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely. Take chicken George's skill in cock fighting.

[Opinion Owner]

If you were a slave would you rather be enslaved in the US or in a Muslim country where they cut your dick off and work you to death?