Am I the only conservative who is pissed off that Trump is dominating the primaries given there is horrifying chance he could lose to Biden?

[Anonymous]

A few points here:

• I voted for Trump both in 2016 and in 2020. I was never gung ho about his personality but (correctly) believed his overall policy was best for the USA. He didn’t disappoint either especially considering how good the economy performed.
• I also voted for Trump to spite leftists. Not my original reason but I made my decision after I saw how they behaved by just hearing his very name. They took things to a whole another level when they started going around yelling, labeling, screaming, bullying and discriminating against anyone who voted for Trump.
• I did face palm after face palm with all of Trump’s stupid tweets and unnecessarily remarks. Just because you speak your mind doesn’t make you “good” and always right.
• Like most Americans I was burned and am still suffering under Biden’s beyond incompetent handling of the economy and inflation. His policy DID directly contribute to this crisis. He crippled domestic oil production, pass through bills with trillions of unnecessary spending for bs most Americans don’t need nor can afford. I initially supported the Ukraine war effort but it has dragged and dragged on costing taxpayers more and more. Biden has no exit strategy nor has given concrete reasons about America gets in return for helping the Ukraine. I am also not an anti vaxxer YET the forced vaccinations both horrified and scared me about what how our government is controlling its citizens.
• I think Trump is criminality culpable in some (but not all) of the recent indictments (notably Florida). BUT Obama, HRC and Biden all have skeletons in their closet that are criminally indictable. I have sympathy for what’s happened to Trump (and I do believe it was a coordinated attack) yet I care more if he’s electable in 2024.

But what I don’t get is how irrationally loyal and frankly blind/stupid republicans are being right now with backing him in the primaries.

What matters more to you? Defending Trump because you are “loyal” or winning the 2024 election?

[Anonymous]

What about Doug Burgum? I posted this Do you find it annoying when the media tries to pit candidates against each other? but nobody replied to it. I am democrat but I'm not that gung ho about Biden, but I really don't want to vote for Trump. I hate that he might get the sympathy vote rather than someone who's actually qualified for the job, since he could lose the general election.

[Asker]

The old saying of “choosing the lesser of two evils” would be the greatest understatement of American history if it’s Trump vs Biden again in 2024.

I just want Biden OUT. Gone. Ship him straight to the nursing home where he belongs. It’s not just about optics and culture wars. It’s about the most important thing that impacts ALL Americans: inflation and the economy. You can hate Trump’s antics all you want (I admit he often insane) but at least he understands free markets and enterprise. The bottom line is what matters.

But again I really want him out of the game. At this point I truly believe he puts himself above the country. If he wanted the republicans to win he would of dropped out and endorsed DeSantis.

Maybe Father Time will take out Trump or Biden before 2024 but nobody can count on it.

[Yabbut]

There are things that I wish Trump would do differently. I wish he would shut up about 2020. It's over, let it go. Let's hear about what his plans are moving forward. I also don't think he's completely blameless in the Florida case, however I don't think he's done anything worse than what others have gotten away with. It's the selective prosecution for me. I wish he'd just keep his mouth shut and let it all play out, and save his defending for the courtroom. I think all the persecution is increasing support for him. I honestly don't have a positive outlook for the upcoming election.

Who do you think would be a good choice?

[Asker]

DeSantis. But he needs momentum. Just don’t go with the crowd and vote for Trump. Vote for him if you have to (general election) but not in the primaries.

[Asker]

Remember that in modern times elections are more about electing the lesser of two evils vs voting for a candidate you really like.

Trump won 2016 because most people didn’t like HRC. It was a referendum on Hillary. Then Biden won 2020 because he hid out in the basement (actually the only thing he can do well) while the media fixation was on Trump.

It should be easy for semi-competent Republican to defeat Biden right now but ONLY if the national attention is one where it should be: Biden’s gross incompetence. He’s so horrible that even the mass media can’t make up excuses for his senility, inflation, teetering economy, skyrocketing urban crime/decay, the border crisis, etc.

BUT there is only one man alive who loves negative media attention and guess who that is? It may be true that Trump is unjustly targeted by the justice system. You can have sympathy for him. Especially having 4 indictments in 5 months. That was blatantly coordinated.

But that does NOT mean you owe him “loyalty” by pushing him through the primaries. No. This is an elaborate trap Democratic elitists have set up: get him boosted it the primaries and have him lose the general election. Don’t fall for it.

[exitseven]

Trump really won in 2020 but the election was stolen. He is in an even better position now. The democrats and RINO republicans keep saying he cannot win the general election. If that is true then why are the democrats frightened to death of having Trump run for president again? He has the best shot at beating biden and I heard today that there is yet another indictment expected soon. Americans can see through this for what it really is and every time they pile on another fake indictment the more people will want ot vote out the current administration.

[Asker]

Democrat elitists actually WANT you to think the way you are thinking right now. This is a well orchestrated trap and millions of people are getting sucked right into it.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO

[Bricealan]

I agree across the board with you, but don't agree that he has any criminal culpability for any of the BS they are throwing in his face to keep him from running in 2024. What a F****** sham.

[Asker]

The Florida indictment was bad. Really bad. And it was completely unnecessary and stupid.

BUT virtually every president has broken the law somewhere. If you want to do this BS to Trump then file criminal charges on Biden, Hillary Clinton and the beloved Barack Obama (who weaponized the IRS to target conservatives but that got swept under the rug)

[Bricealan]

I have not kept up with the various indictments. What does the Florida one involve?

[Asker]

Trump was (knowingly) recorded saying “these are classified documents. I could have declassified them when I was president but I didn’t”. I was just SO incredibly unnecessary and stupid. It was like he wanted to get charged.

Now I do think the Georgia RICO case and the New York stormy Daniel’s charges are complete bs. But the Florida mishandling of classified of info case was bad. Really bad. His only defense to that one is the HRC did the exact same thing but was never charged.

[Anonymous]

Trump has no business running again. He stirred an insurrection and attempted a soft coup to remain in power illegally. Those actions alone disqualify him from getting my vote in 2024. Beyond that, the GOP has under performed since he became the face of the party. His childish antics and criminal behavior have driven away the moderate swing voters you need to win elections and it’s had a domino effect on other candidates. He’s going to ensure 4 more years of Joe Biden stumbling through the presidency and potentially a democratic congress. The party has to move past Trump and Trumpism if it wants to remain a viable alternative to the left. If he’s the nominee, I’m sitting 2024 out.

[Anonymous]

Trump can't lose to Biden, but he would lose to Michelle Obama who they're going to put in instead of Biden. All Democrats, independents and liberal Republicans will vote for Michelle, with Obama running things behind the scenes, as he is running things for Biden now.

[Anonymous]

Plenty of other great Republicans that could do better. Trump should stand down.

[gorydetails]

I mean, DeSantis is petering out…. Pence and Christie are nightmares. Vivek is interesting and gaining momentum, but I don’t trust him. Who else is there to challenge Trump?

[Asker]

I want DeSantis. He through he could run a campaign based on his excellent track record and attacking Biden. He’s all about common sense.

But I’m seeing so many republicans who care about “feelings” and entertainment more than common sense. Sure DeSantis is a bit monotone. Sure he isn’t getting into fist fights with other candidates. Sure he’s isn’t tweeting every thought (stupid or not) that crosses his mind. But I do NOT CARE about personality. I care about who can get the f*cking job done.

Now liberals were supposed to be gullible type who vote with their feelings. Republicans were supposed to vote on what really matters: policy. But from I am seeing that is not the case. Sure there are always some right wing extremists but they were supposed to be fringe and tiny percentage of republican voters.

But considering how many people are supporting trump I’m now second guessing that. This is NOT 2016. No this is very different ball game. Even if Trump gets elected he can only serve 4 years. If the senate stays democrat he will get very little done.

Don’t go with the crowd. Vote for anybody else besides Trump (I recommend DeSantis).

[gorydetails]

Anybody else besides Trump? Like Biden? Mike Pence? Is that where you’re going?

[Asker]

No. Any republican who can WIN besides Trump. DeSantis does a lot better in swing states.

[Asker]

Democrats know that TDS will motivated millions of democrats to show up to the election to vote against him. They also have the perfect excuse to get the negative attention off Biden’s gross incompetence: trumps legal proceedings. Trump is the only man alive who can get the negative attention off Biden.

[gorydetails]

So you are just shilling for DeSantis.

[Asker]

I’m “shilling” for anybody who can get Biden out of the Oval Office and straight to the nursing home where he belongs. He should be running for president of the AARP not the United States.

But I think Trump is a BAD idea and here is why:

- instead of campaigning he’s going to be tied up using his money, time and energy fighting legal battles all the way through the election (he’s using donor campaign money for legal fees by the way)

- he’s only 4 years younger then Biden. Sure he’s got a ton of energy for a man his age. But the optics advantage of having a much younger GOP candidate vs an 82 year old Biden goes away when Trump himself will be 78 next year.

- Trump is polling horribly with independents and swing voters. THEY determine elections. Not you or I. They voted 2 to 1 for Trump in 2016. That number reversed in 2020. Also do you think they are going to buy the whole “2020 election fraud” theory the same way republicans do?

- Trump Derangement Syndrome will motivate millions of liberals to vote against Trump. The very mention of his name here them frothing at the mouth like the exorcist DESPITE a bad economy.

- Last but not least. Trump gives the liberal mass media the perfect excuse to get the negative attention off Biden. This is huge. Trump is the only man in the world who can accomplish that because he LOVES any and all attention. But this election should be about the sitting f*cking president and his monumental failure. NOT a fixation on Trump.

I just don’t get why more republicans don’t see this. Where the indictments a well timed coordinated disgusting bias injustice to Trump? Absolutely. But leftist elitists predicted hordes of republicans would back him in the primaries and its working. But I don’t give a shit about the “revenge” feeling. I care about f*cking winning. There is a very real danger Trump could lose to Biden again. Don’t fall for this trap!

[gorydetails]

But how do you stop the Trump juggernaut? He's massively ahead in the polls. Now granted, we haven't had the first primary and things can change on a dime, but assuming he doesn't lose steam there's no way he's losing the nomination.

[Asker]

I will vote for Trump if I HAVE to in the general election. But voting for someone else in the primaries (who is a decent candidate) doesn’t mean we are voting for a democrat or something.

We change the momentum by talking some common sense into fellow conservatives. I would of thought most republicans would have had the common sense to understand what is really going on. But I was wrong.

Some of them think I’m a secret Democrat or a never trumper. But I’m neither. Voted for him twice. But we got to explain the bullet points above. Explain there is a horrifying possibility Biden could get re-elected. Get the focus ON Biden and off Trump.

[gorydetails]

It's still early. Remember prior to the dem primary in SC, there was very little chance Biden would get the general nomination. Kamala was a rising star before Tulsi nuked her.

[Asker]

Kamala has proven herself to be completely worthless too. She has an even lower approval rating then Biden. That’s saying something to.

But again we can’t let people not show up to the primaries thinking Trump already has it in the bag. The poll numbers will turn people off from even voting. That’s the problem with the news and media.

Ugly truth is that Trump has lost the republicans three major elections in a row now: 2018, 2020 and 2022. There is no substitute for success (including complaining about stolen elections) GOP needs to do something different if they want to get the democrats out of office.

[gorydetails]

Unfortunately, their current plan is to be useless. Let's not cheer for a party that handles biden with strongly worded tweets only.

[Asker]

I know. For the longest time I always thought conservatives are more likely to common sense and logic with policy vs. emotions and entertainment. That’s why I vote republican. But I can not believe how stupid the GOP is being right now including large swathes of die hard low information Trump supporters. It should be easy to CRUSH Biden. He’s got lower approval ratings then trump at the same time during his term. And that’s with the full support and power of the mass media and big tech censorship.

But it looks like republicans are acting just as emotionally stupid as liberals do when it comes to Trump. But republicans can not afford to mistakes. The cards are stacked against them.

[gorydetails]

The problem is you're looking at this as a republican/democrat issue. The true issue is authoritarian deep state one-world government fucksticks vs freedom-loving, consitution-following patriots. The former is most Republicans and Democrats. As it stands now, the latter is only Trump, DeSantis, Vivek, and RFK Jr. Trump getting bad marks for supporting Fauci and covid vaccines, RFK Jr for his stance on 2A.

[Asker]

The longer I live the more I’m starting to believe that isn’t a conspiracy theory above. Considering how Trump got charged with 4 indictments in 5 months is absolutely no coincidence. That was collusion and well coordinated.

With that said there is psychological warfare going on here and the authoritarians are good at it. They did this knowing that core republicans would be (justifiably) be furious. As unjust as it is, it’s still a trap. Also Trump doesn’t help by stepping on rakes and self sabotaging himself when he obviously knows they are out to get him. Seriously why?

The system didn’t know how to handle him in 2016. Trump was an unpredictable threat at the time. Major (and much needed) shock to the system.

But they figured out the method behind his madness now. And they are using it against Americans. And it’s not 2016. It’s 2024 and they got him figured out.

[Asker]

Excuse me 2023.

[gorydetails]

None of this addresses my point. You think Trump's support is because people like his hothead personality, it's got little to do with his popularity.

[Asker]

So what does make him popular?

[gorydetails]

He's the only presidential candidate to admit that the whole system is rigged against the average American and has vowed to try to dismantle that system.

[Asker]

I do believe the 2020 election was figuratively rigged. Big tech, social media, mass media and all other establishments were rigged to have Trump lose. I can share other republicans anger when it comes to that because it’s true. Now the deep state and the legal systems are going after Trump it’s even more horrifying.

But as for mass voter fraud? Enough to swing states? I just don’t believe it. There was definitely voter fraud but not 100s of thousands of votes. I don’t buy that.

[JoeMichael67]

Vivek would beat Biden, Trump won't. MAGA's are going to keep this country blue for another five years.

[OddBeMe]

(Me sitting back, feet up watching the shitshow)

It’s like Bernie and the DNC…just dirtier and illegal as fck.