Should we introduce AntiDepressants into the drinking water like they do fluoride?

[OddBeMe]

1. It’s an SSRI that will get them hooked. But I think most of the populace is dehydrated. So two birds.
2. Anti’ds rids the thoughts of suicide and mass murder. Sets kids kids off on a good path.

Yes

No!!!

[Sevenpointfive]

not everyone needs them in one dosage at a certain strength. it would fuck people up more than it helped. but i am all for liquid meds. i hate taking pills

[OddBeMe]

Perhaps.

[msc545]

No. They mostly don't work, and there are sometimes unwanted side effects.

[OddBeMe]

Actually the mostly work. Especially for murderers

[OddBeMe]

But true, I would just argue the idea and experts weight the good/bad. Like they did with fluoride.

[Drewtate]

You realise virtually every mass shooter has been on SSRIs? All those Karen's you see on YouTube losing their shit SSRIs too. 1 in 4 white women are already on antidepressants, we've been medicating our kids with behavioural meds because they are "hyperactive" rather than let them get some exercise.

[OddBeMe]

Only when they stopped taking it did they go murderous. Now in prison, gulp gulp. “Oh the horror.”

[Drewtate]

Nope it screws people's minds up.

[Tshsjjdshjsu]

Great answer.

[OddBeMe]

Screw with people’s minds. No duh. Flourish messes with your teeth.

As long as parents will keep guns lying around and not care for their kids mental health the govt has to do it.

[Drewtate]

A car can be just as deadly. Treat the cause not the symptom and the cause is SSRI medication

[OddBeMe]

Can we have the same regs for cars as we do guns? Registries and required licenses?

[Drewtate]

You mean like an FBI check?

[OddBeMe]

I’m really just asking for exact same as cars. Gun numbers and manufacturing are registered with cops for their use. And licenses are required.

Switzerland actually has hard regs and lots of guns and no mass shootings. Or quite less.

[OddBeMe]

Gun nuts always go dark here…

[Drewtate]

How bout the fbi do its job. Its slmost like it deliberately dropping the ball.

[OddBeMe]

Well…the US currently has laws protecting gun owners, not allowing for anyone (especially the cops) know who owns a gun. Or if they have a crazy kid with a history of mental issues.

Funny how those parents never assume their kid will shoot up a school yard. Maybe we stop assuming it’ll never happen to us.

[Drewtate]

those parents assume because their kid is on medication that they'd never shoot up a school little knowing that the medication is turning their kid into a killer.

[OddBeMe]

So you are now saying the medication is turning kids into killers? Please post evidence.

But even if true, another good reason to keep guns away from them AND their shitty parents.

[Drewtate]

The evidence is self evident in that all the mass shooters are on them.
The fbi is supposed to do checks yet keeps issuing firearm licenses to people who shouldn't have them. It's almost as if they do it on purpose because they want firearms to get banned.

[OddBeMe]

@Tshsjjdshjsu I’ve actually done the research and those few who were on anti-Ds or alike stopped taking them when they committed mass murder.

[Drewtate]

Do more research. Most of them were on antidepressants, and those that stopped taking them didn't commit mass murder before they were ever on antidepressants
https://youtu.be/dwJ1TJSa7Ao?si=up6qbl35rb2caLU7

[OddBeMe]

I did. I don’t know who you’re talking about but the parents of the Sandy Hook kid, Isla Vista, El Paso, all tried different pills over the years leading up to the mass murderers. But all they kept in their fcking houses were loads of guns. That’s bullshit.

[Drewtate]

So your saying that anti depressants disrupted their brain chemistry

[OddBeMe]

Well any drug “disrupts” brain chemistry. A Tylenol dulls your pain receptors. You’re straw manning anti-Ds without a good reason.

[Drewtate]

https://youtu.be/oIxcMIBhHS4?si=5c9LY8Jijq1gAAzA
Antidepressants are the common denominator for mass shooters, murders and suicides.

[OddBeMe]

Jump to 7:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aofQCcWyhg

[Drewtate]

Paid for by big pharma which is the most powerful lobby group in the us.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. Same as Big Oil but you still buy gas.

This kinda toxic masculinity. Completely ignoring mental health. Whatevs.

[Drewtate]

Gas doesn't make me run over school children in my truck in a murder spree, antidepressants might

[OddBeMe]

Neither do pills. These mass murderers all had mental health issues. Were they taking the right drugs? I don't know. But their dumb parents had a load of guns in the house. So maybe that’s another issue we could conquer.

[Drewtate]

But never murdered anyone until after they started taking antidepressants

[OddBeMe]

You could say they never murdered anyone until they got guns.

[OddBeMe]

After it therefore because of it. Common fallacy.

[Drewtate]

Unless they always had guns.

[OddBeMe]

Well we won’t know bc Repubs make it federal law not to track or register guns.

But from what I’ve read, I’d they were on meds they stopped taking them which led to a breakdown.

There was one case where a kid was switched to a new drug so suddenly it fcked him up and he shot a kid at school.

That’s been studied. I have yet to see any gunmen get on antidepressants and then start killing people.

[Drewtate]

Yeah because the federal government have no clue about intimate details of our lives. Have the wrong combination of chemicals delivered to your property and the ATF & Homeland security appear.

[OddBeMe]

Actually probably not. Majority of dark web shipments make it through USPS for godsake.

But this is an issue with me. People not trusting science and mental health professionals. And parents keeping their kids off anti depressants when they’re fcking needed.

[Drewtate]

Nope it's an issue of antidepressants f*cking up people's brain chemistry

[OddBeMe]

At best that’s an unproven hypothesis. What is proven is the amount of depression cured by SSRIs.

[Drewtate]

Proof is in the pudding.

[OddBeMe]

Proof is the science. Not the shit YouTubers you’re watching.

[Drewtate]

Who pays for the science?

[OddBeMe]

Universities, hospitals provide modest grants for researchers whose work appears viable. And then once the ball is rolling on new discoveries etc, more money comes in.

Literally a scientist is paid to prove other scientists wrong.

[Drewtate]

Nah scientists are paid to assure the result. What you describe is how it should be not how it is

[OddBeMe]

Please post evidence. Because that’s ridiculously false.

[Drewtate]

Pfizer got sued 2.3 billion for doing just that. These are just the cases they got caught. Johnson &Johnson along with AstraZeneca have also been caught

[OddBeMe]

And what consensus did Pfizer contaminate? They’d need to pay off a lot of scientists to write papers for their position. They paid one and were caught. Huh.

[Drewtate]

Pfizer has been sued for this multiple times and dor multiple products

[OddBeMe]

He’s they’re the worlds leading med producer. I would be surprised if they weren’t sued, given their illegal practices that we know of.

But you missed the part about scientific consensus and how NOT easy it is to contaminate.

[Drewtate]

They were sued for bribing doctors to proscribe patients medication they didn't need or in higher doses. Not just Pfizer but Johnson and Johnson as well as AstraZeneca

[OddBeMe]

I get you, I’ve read about that. I’m saying it’s not a fraction of what’s needed to contaminate consensus. So you’re claim that science can be “bought” is bullshit.

[Drewtate]

Science can't be bought but Scientists can be bought.

[OddBeMe]

Sure but like any crime that would leave evidence and statistics. And that just doesn’t happen often. And like I said, you’d need to “buy” millions of scientists on a single issue to make a big enough change to the consensus.

Take climate change. We’re at 98% of climatologists who say humans are a cause. And the other 2% have been found to be Russians bought by their oil companies.

[Drewtate]

But only a small number of rape accusations are prosecuted which either means they are false or the guilty escaped if you go by the statistics.
Nope to buy science and statistics you just need to be the one funding them and if you don't like the results you withdraw funding or bury the studies, if its government funded you lobby politicians.
You gotta realise that people talk about Russia being a corrupt oligarchy but America is as much a corrupt oligarchy just with more money and a more global reach.

[OddBeMe]

Are there any other straw man arguments you’d like to toss in? Not sure how rape walked in. But i fact lots of rape cases are prosecuted, mostly dependent on the victim being cooperative.

And Russia has a lot less democracy than we do. Or else Biden would have won 99% of the vote like Putin did.

[Drewtate]

No. Most rape cases aren't prosecuted due to a lack of provable evidence.
The US has the illusion of democracy, US oligarchs are a lot smarter than Russian ones, and they play both left and right sides

[OddBeMe]

Actually they have closets full of untested rape kits. So just lack of will.
And US oligarchs dont need to be smart to sway right wing voters.

[Drewtate]

What does a rape test confirm other than the alleged victim had sex? If the accused has admitted to having sex but thar it was consensual the rape kit is worthless. Also a lot of women don't report until a few days after.
US Oligarchs don't sway any voters, they do that by sponsoring politicians on both sides

[OddBeMe]

My un-expert reading I see that rape tests do dna as well as genital injuries. Can’t imagine how painful that can be. Until they shelve your case based on laziness.

[Drewtate]

You realise what you'd have to do to cause genital injuries

[OddBeMe]

Yeah…rape. Duh.

[Drewtate]

A minority of women examined by specifically trained police doctors show evidence of genital injury. The absence of genital injury does not exclude rape.
https://youtu.be/VKvwCykUI_4?si=CtvZmT6ol6d-rAhM

[OddBeMe]

Didn’t say it does. But you know forensics can determine the difference between a penis than a pill bottle up a vag?

[OddBeMe]

Can’t believe we’re arguing over this…lol

Watch CSI sometime. Or one of 1000 true crime docs.

[Drewtate]

Watch crime shows where the forensic teams contaminate the crime scene every single episode

[OddBeMe]

Actual law enforcement specialists are pretty good at it. Of course mistakes happen. Give me a link that says most rape crimes are “contaminated”. Until then we’re talking usless.

[Drewtate]

Never said they were contaminated. All I said was most of them just prove sexual intercourse took place which in itself does not prove either way whether it was consensual or not.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

We already have drugs in our drinking water.

People flush unwanted pills down the toilet or throw them away & in landfills drugs breakdown & traces end up in the drinking water.

[AngryCarl2]

Fine, but you're not going to get a sufficient dose to have a clinical effect.

[OddBeMe]

@AngryCarl2 maybe a potential dose to ward off the next mass shooting. Lol

[Blueeyes81]

https://www.iisd.org/articles/insight/antidepressants-what-happens-when-they-end-our-fresh-water

We already do.

[llorando]

Fuck no, Antidepressants have some serious side effects and some people they are of little to no help. We already have a mood suppressing epidemic with boys, last thing we need is a mood epidemic with adults. Yea my city doesn't add fluoride to the water anymore.

[OddBeMe]

So your city probably has the worst teeth in the world.

[llorando]

That would be a big no. Fluoride is useless if you don't practice proper dental hygiene. Majority of toothpaste in the US contains fluoride, so fluoride not being in the water anymore isn't a problem if your practicing proper dental hygiene.

[OddBeMe]

So I have your statement above, and I have expert odontologists saying the opposite. Mmm, whom shall I believe? Such a quandary!

[llorando]

What expert odontologists? Fluoride is fluoride, doesn't matter how you get it, as long as you get it. Getting it from toothpaste is just as effective as getting it from water.

[AngryCarl2]

Your assertions are incorrect. Some anti-depressants cause violent or suicidal ideation. Also if drinking water was flooded with anti-depressants Big Pharma wouldn't be able to sell them. And it should go without saying that the majority of people who don't suffer from depression would get no benefit but would still suffer disagreeable adverse effects.

[OddBeMe]

Perhaps. Just a thought. But people are so anti mental healthcare that big govt needs to step in.

Like people and teeth care. Lol

[disgustingweebtrash]

I'm sure also pharmaceutical companies would enjoy water companies purchasing SSRIs in bulk

[OddBeMe]

Against capitalism?

#CapitalismThatSavesLives

[LazerBean]

No, you just keep taking your mental illness drugs by yourself.

[OddBeMe]

Anti-d’s are given to every mass murderer and serial killer and “wha” they clearly see their horrors.

[jshm2]

Why?

Fluoride in the water helps more than hinders. Antidepressents rarely help anyone.

[OddBeMe]

Wrong. Andi d’s is given to every mass murderer and serial killer and “wha” they clearly see their horrors.

[exitseven]

Half the country already acts like it is on drugs already;

[Anonymous]

We've already got chemicals in our food messing our hormones up. You ever see how many young boys out their are developing breasts.

[OddBeMe]

Pretty sure manboobs are sugar based.

[Opinion Owner]

Gynaecomastia can be caused by an imbalance between the sex hormones testosterone and oestrogen. Oestrogen causes breast tissue to grow. While all men produce some oestrogen, they usually have much higher levels of testosterone, which stops the oestrogen from causing breast tissue to grow.

If the balance of hormones in the body changes, this can cause a man's breasts to grow. Sometimes, the cause of this imbalance is unknown.
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[OddBeMe]

That’s genetics. Maybe at best.05%? stick to the issue. Fluoride didn’t cause man boobs.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes and obesity is genetics too apparently.

[OddBeMe]

I still don’t see my Q here…what’s the connection?

[Lokiion]

forgot to include it turns you into a robot pretty much

[OddBeMe]

My wife will say no. I do have the ability to “act” robotically when needed. Captmenralise. Very important.

But my wife sees and feels the love. Those toxic in my life think I’m a robot.

[YAsQuen]

insane. Also Fluoride is actually really bad for cognitive performance and test levels in men. Makes u slow and docile.

[OddBeMe]

No. Just good for your teeth. Which you can’t be relied on to maintain yourself.

[YAsQuen]

nope what i said is true. Time to take the red pill mister

[OddBeMe]

Red pill = delirium. Seek help.

[YAsQuen]

good luck in your future relationshps

[OddBeMe]

As long as your AR 15 doesn’t enter a school,

[YAsQuen]

im european already de armed

[OddBeMe]

There are guns in Europe. You just have to jump through hoops. Like driving

[YAsQuen]

de armed populus doesn't imply no access to guns whatsover. Also im legally barred from owning guns since i didn't wanna serve in the military

[OddBeMe]

Well “de-armed” does. I’m not an absolutist…, just pointing out slanted argument.

[YAsQuen]

The point of the 2nd amendment is to give the population a chance to defend against the government if needed ( very soon). So the more guns among the common plebs the better. Switzerland is doing it aswell. Its a good system IF u dont destroy it on purpose. (DEMS and 3/4 of republicans)

[OddBeMe]

Swiss have Uber regs to get a gun. Not to mention forced military draft.

And your “soon” to be revolution won’t happen. Even if it did, you’d have no luck against even just US military drones.

[YAsQuen]

Its forced by law that every household has at least 1 gun my dude

Oh it will and America will burn

[OddBeMe]

No I don’t think it is in Swiss. Every houshold doesn’t have to have a gun. Which is more likely to kill a family member than a burglar. But it has the draft. So everyone has been through basic training.

[Snakeyes7]

Taking medicine you are not prescribed is a terrible idea for a reason.

[OddBeMe]

When parents don’t take their kids to mental health physicians we need to weigh the good and bad to save lives.

[Snakeyes7]

Not everyone has a positive effect from that medicine. It could make the effect worse, it could give some other problems, it could even kill them.

We shouldn't have any extra bullshit in our water because it'll cause more problems than it solves even the way the water is now.

[OddBeMe]

True. I’m not saying current anti-D’s. Perhaps I’d the demand was worth it, a more generic lighter dose could be found that everyone could take safely. And then it affects only those actually depressed.

As I’m sure they did with Flouride.

[Snakeyes7]

No the FDA has done enough damage to us by putting fluoride in our water. There is a reason why we don't eat toothpaste.

It is not the government's job to make health decisions for us or else they do something stupid like poison our water supply and make it out to be a net positive.

[OddBeMe]

What do you think fluoride is?

[Snakeyes7]

An element in the periodic table that is often used to aid in tooth maintenance, but you aren't supposed to swallow it that's why you don't just straight up eat toothpaste.

[OddBeMe]

Funny, an expert (in dentistry)…
“It would take them eating multiple tubes of toothpaste to have any kind of serious reaction to the fluoride.”

[Snakeyes7]

Put it in tap water and you could have people doing that every day.

[Dargil]

No, but how about Cialis?

[OddBeMe]

Perhaps. Erections are apart of mass murder. I bet sandy hook killer had one shooting little kids with his AR. They found TONS of child porn on his computer.

[inhua]

yeah more drugs is what we need SMH

[DarkLegacy]

What an absurd suggestion

[OddBeMe]

Why? Anti-d’s are given to every mass murderer and serial killer and “wha” they clearly see their horrors.

[DarkLegacy]

Only a few people are mass murderers, why does that mean people should be forcibly given drugs. Plus the side effects

[OddBeMe]

Because it affects everybody.

[OddBeMe]

So does mass murder.

[OddBeMe]

That’s what I meant, but yes everyone is effected on both levels.

If there was a med that had a generic dosage, like fluoride, that wouldn’t harm normies but would help even moderately, those with depression, I’d be for it.

[Juxtapose]

Keep that shit out of MY BODY.

[OddBeMe]

Why? Flouride is already in the water because we can’t be assured to brush our fckin teeth.
Anti-d’s are given to every mass murderer and serial killer and “wha” they clearly see their horrors.

[Juxtapose]

Which is why one of many reasons why I filter my water. I don't fucking trust the FDA to make the water safe enough.

Antidepressants are supposed to be prescribed by a medical professional and they have to be specific about why they are prescribing a specific antidepressant. I have lived with someone with depression and many other issues, I know how this rodeo goes. Giving everyone antidepressants is not going to help anything.

If anything people are too medicated and should learn how to sort their own minds out if they don't have some sort of critical deficiency.

[OddBeMe]

Might be what keeps Fred down.

[Juxtapose]

It's your fictional character, you'd know better than I.

[OddBeMe]

So says the parents of every mass murderer

[Juxtapose]

Sounds like you have some experience there.

[OddBeMe]

With anti-D’s yep. In right doses it can be life saving. Obvi this is an absurdum thought. But I think we should have small dose anti d like we did riddlin.

[Juxtapose]

Only for the willing.

[Juxtapose]

I don't want that shit. I will filter it.

[OddBeMe]

We need better regs, but also better education for it. So many people are against mental health.

[Juxtapose]

Unless you're pretty broken you can pull yourself back together. Be adaptable and patient. Learn to meditate while breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth.

[OddBeMe]

That’s a load of assumptions.

[Juxtapose]

It's reality. Most people don't need meds to fix themselves.

[OddBeMe]

Funny how you keep assuming.

[Juxtapose]

They don't, it's sad you think they do. We are fully equipped as humans to deal with our own minds if we only have enough discipline and will.

Resistance in life is supposed to make you stronger, not some quivering fool who bitches about "trauma" all the time. Unless you were raped or something equally terrible you don't have much to complain about in life living in a first world country.

[OddBeMe]

I’m not willing to say solidly, tho I see a lot of good research on SSRIs and alike. A lot of negatives, too.

You’re the one who keeps making BS blanket claims.

[Anonymous]

Completely stupid.

[Redstang88]

Nope