Anyone else tired of being labeled a Putin/Russia supporter for not supporting the Proxy War in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

The second you mention your against the Proxy War in Ukraine, everyone is right there accusing you of being a Putin/Russia supporter even when you clearly state you don't like Russia/Putin. Ukraine is a corrupt government being manipulated by the Military Industrial Complex, and you can dislike the Ukrainian government and the war without liking Putin/Russia. These people labeling everyone Putin/Russia supporters are no different then the people who labeled everyone Saddam apologist for not supporting the war in Iraq.

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[Cice137]

Ukraine has juicy blackmail against world leaders, that's why everyone famous goes there for either more drugs, money, influence, probably just to make sure they don't piss off Volodomyr. Zelensky is so fucking lazy he BARELY wears a suit. Bottom line, there are literal nazis in Ukraine, doesn't matter if one is the head of the world Jewish congress and other is the cousin of George Soros leading Ukraine.

The 2014 "ceasefire," was just a trick Victoria Nuland and the state dept. pushed in order to appear good, but were just re-arming, buying more time etc... Hamas is doing the same in Israel, but they are trying to get rid of them since the Gaza, west bank has a couple hundred billion$ in oil that Netanyahu and Israel has been awarding contracts to other companies, etc...

Think I've heard one Edgar Cayce prophecy that towards the end times Russia would be the country to defend all of the Christian world which is crazy considering what they went through being lead by Stalin, and idiot globalists.

Ukraine built biowarfare labs on Russia borders, MOSSAD/ISIS on snake island developed weaponized airborne anthrax, that was dealt with quickly. Today it would be no different if Mexico and Canada were doing the same thing on our borders under weak leadership.

Khazaria and Russia have hated each other since Vladimir the great 1,000 years ago forced them to quit murdering people on the Silk road and to abandon Paganism by choosing one of three monotheistic religions.

Zelensky has bought yachts, mansions with US money.

Even Netanyahu controls too many world leaders. Including Joe, when Israel was demolishing homes in the 90s with bulldozers bush Sr told him to stop and he did. Now he knows America and other countries are weak so like in the movie "there will be blood,' like Mr. Plainview he just drinks the worlds milkshake, he sucks it up!

[KostasKouvalis]

It's not the label, it's the stigma. When it comes to Russia and Ukraine, it really doesn't effect me, but I'm sick of all the sanctions, sports bans and people overall treating Russia and Putin like the devil, while treating Zelensky as a saint! I absolutely can't stand misinformation and bias! If you hate Russia and Putin that's fine, but don't make a saint out and victim out of Zelensky. The only reason people are supporting Ukraine is because they hate Russia. It's the same exact thing with Israel and Palestine.

[Chandelier8]

"Ukraine is a corrupt government being manipulated by the Military Industrial Complex"

Evidence for this? Which countries aren't?

[Asker]

No secrete that Ukraine has been labeled corrupt way before the war started. What many people don't know is, in 2014 the US carried out a cue in Ukraine to replace their neutral President with a Pro-Western president, which resulted in pockets of protest leading to Ukraine government attacking their own government. FYI, when Zelenskyy ran for president, he won with a majority of the vote on the promise he'd sign the Minks Accord Agreement, which he was going to do till Boris Johnsons went to Ukraine and stopped. How many innocent Ukrainians have to die before the Military Industrial Complex says enough is enough and moves on to the next county to profit off of.
www.theguardian.com/.../welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

[Chandelier8]

I'm aware there is a long history. So you don't think Putin has any part in this war whatsoever?

Also, which countries, you didn't answer.

[Asker]

Yes Putin could have handled things different, but US and NATO should have never backed him into a corner. US didn't take too kindly to Russia/Soviet Union putting missiles in Cuba, and not Russia isn't taking it too kindly of US and NATO trying to make Ukraine a member of NATO, which should remain neutral.

[Chandelier8]

So you believe more in Putin than you do in the US? Just to be clear. Again, which countries aren't "being manipulated by the Military Industrial Complex" and why?

[Asker]

I don't believe one more then the other, just believe the US shouldn't be adding fuel to the fire by getting involved, which they did in 2014 when the US carried out a cue to replace Ukraine's neutral president, with a Pro-Western president.

[Chandelier8]

Do you have evidence for why they do what they do? Like access to military classified info. Also, again, you didn't answer my question.

[CALIGVLA]

"Ukraine is a corrupt government being manipulated by the Military Industrial Complex"

It's worse than that, white woman, Ukraine is being manipulated by the entire US neocon lobby.

[Chandelier8]

@CALIGVLA blocked for calling me a white woman. 1. you have no idea what I am 2. you're racist. 3. go find a tall building... and...

[OldBlue]

No, because the people who do that are morons. Just like the people who call you a racist if you disagree with them.

[Asker]

Yep they are morons. The one's calling you racist are usually racist them selves in some way. Don't even get me started on the people who call you sexist for disagreeing with them *cough Hillary supporters cough*.

[OldBlue]

People who can't support their argument, use the lame race and sex card.

[Asker]

Yep. Can't even count the number of times I've been labeled a sexist for not supporting Hillary Clinton. It's like Hillary being a woman has to be the issue and not her being a corrupt warmonger.

[exitseven]

Nope, I could do this all day.

[Asker]

Do what all day? Label other's Putin/Russia supporters or being labeled a Putin/Russia supporters.

[Chandelier8]

"No secrete that Ukraine has been labeled corrupt way before the war started" (Your words blue anon) You don't like labels but you don't seem to have any concrete evidence for your own label. I can label you as a smurf, does that make it true?

[exitseven]

Be labeled a Putin supportervbecause ibam sick of seeing tax dollars being wasted with Zalensky and his flunkies are srealung it with both hands

[Asker]

@Chandelier8 Did I give Ukraine the label corrupt? No. Did various media outlets in the past give them that label? Yes. Labeling someone corrupt cause they actually are corrupt isn't the same as accusing some of supporting something cause they don't support what you support.

[Asker]

I'm also sick of seeing our tax dollars being wasted on a proxy war that serves no other purpose then to make Defense contractors richer then they already are at the expense of innocent Ukrainians being killed in a war they did not vote for. That's right Ukrainians did not vote for this war, they overwhelming voted for Zelenskyy on his promise that he would sign the Minsk Accord 2 agreement, which would have prevented this war.

[exitseven]

@Chandelier8 if it walks, like a Smurf...

[Chandelier8]

I just want evidence for what you state and you've given nothing. I get having a problem with military spending but I really don't think you truly understand what you're talking about, at all.

[Chandelier8]

You also don't realize how you've been manipulated by Russia but you will soon. I promise.

[Chandelier8]

Grouchy Smurf

[Asker]

@Chandelier8 I did give you evidence, I posted a link to one of the news articles claiming Ukraine was/is corrupt. There were many news outlets before the war started who stated Ukraine is corrupt.
www.unian.info/.../...-europe-after-russia-ti.html

[Chandelier8]

Why are there Russian characters on that article? Where is this article from?
First line... who are the experts, exactly?

[OldBlue]

@Chandelier8

My hat's off to corrupt countries. The real dorks are the ones enabling them to be corrupt.

[Asker]

@Chandelier8 Wrong link. You didn't even pay attention to the Guardian article I posted, which does not have Russian characters. Guardian isn't the only non Russian character article, there were many articles form around 2014-2016 claiming Ukraine was corrupt. Ukraine isn't the only corrupt country, there are many other's, including the US.
www.transparency.org/.../a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe

[Chandelier8]

So this is your evidence of the MIC?

[Asker]

@Chandelier8 MIC being corrupt is nothing new, Dwight Eisenhower, before he left office warned us about the evils of teh MIC.

[Chandelier8]

I was asking for evidence of your claim and you can't provide it... so we're done with this discussion. It's your opinion, based on no actual evidence. That is 100% clear. When you have Einsehowers evidence, feel free to continue. Until then... nah.