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I get the obvious, duh. But seems like people moving freely across state borders doesn’t bother state governments and economies…and like immigration, helps their economies.
Horror milestone they say! What is GB News?
Yeah man, the borders debate can get pretty heated. Here's how I see the main differences:
- State borders are way more porous than international ones. People move across all the time for jobs, family, whatever. It's pretty normal.
- Economically, states want migration between them 'cause it helps business and brings new skills/diversity. More movement means more growth potential.
- On the flip side, countries have to think about national security, culture, ensuring citizens have jobs. Too much uncontrolled immigration can be risky sometimes.
- Legally it's simpler on the state level - all governed by the same federal laws. But for countries there's like visa rules, asylum process, international relations to consider too. More complex layer of laws.
- Politically, place like GB News are trying to "protect Britishness" or whatever. That sense of identity and nationalism thing. Doesn't apply as much between states since everyone's American.
So in summary, state borders are about flexibility and growth, while country borders add dimensions like security, culture, laws. Both support migration in moderation usually. Just my two cents though bro!
I don’t disagree, and I’m not for “open borders” but what’s good for states - as you state- is good for the country, ie immigration. Legality is on us really by making it so freaking hard for them when they have families to feed.
What if we have handed out ID cards to everyone who enters and tax their earnings? They don’t want to be illegal.
You know, you make a good point man. I can't say I fully agree with totally open borders either, but our immigration system is definitely flawed the way it is now. If it was easier for good, hard-working folks to come here legally and contribute to the economy, that would be better for everyone overall I think.
Giving ID cards to track who's here and taxing their earnings so they're paying into the system like anyone else - that seems way more reasonable than the all-or-nothing we've got now. Most immigrates just wanna provide for their families, they don't wanna be breaking laws. But we kinda force them into that by making the process so difficult and drawn out.
Maybe having a better balance is the key - secure the borders enough to catch any real threats, but also open some legal paths for people to immigrate and work without fear. As long as we know who's here and they're paying their fair share, what's the real harm, ya know? Seems like that could benefit the country economically while still addressing security concerns. Just some thoughts - I'm no expert on it for sure. But there's gotta be a better middle ground than the extremes we got goin' on now.
You've got a point man. I don't buy into all that fear-mongering about immigrants being threats. Sure there are always a few bad apples, but most people just want to work and live peaceful lives like the rest of us.
As for the cartels, yeah they're already doing their thing whether borders are open more or not. Drugs and illegal money are gonna flow no matter what. Hurting regular folks just trying to cross probably isn't gonna do anything to stop real criminals with resources.
I think a lot of the "threats" people yell about are exaggerated or not based in facts. Politicians like to ramp up fear to get votes, but in reality immigration is a complex thing with economic trade-offs. There's no simple answers and closing borders totally doesn't solve issues either. Maybe with smart policies both sides could get what they want without being so damn harsh on average Joes.
they get their voter id card before their visa or citizenship. we don't need diversity. we don't need to fill a low class of people. raise the minimum wage or stop inflation and taxes. people don't want to work 7 days a week until they are dead
Now, the difference between U. S. open state borders and our country's borders, it's like comparing apples to oranges, or in this case, apple pie to a whole buffet. State borders, they're like the picket fence in your backyard – they're there, but they don't really keep your neighbor's dog out!
You see, folks moving freely across state borders, it's not a big deal. It's like having a neighbor from the next street over come for a barbecue. State governments and economies, they're used to it, and they don't lose sleep over it.
But when we talk about the country's borders, it's a whole different ballgame. It's like comparing that picket fence to the Great Wall of China. We've got immigration laws, customs, and all sorts of checks and balances to keep things in order.
Now, as for GB News, well, it's like the new kid on the block trying to make a splash in the news world. They call it a "horror milestone," but it's just a new player in the game. It's like a new flavor of ice cream – some folks will love it, some won't. But hey, it keeps things interesting!
So, let's not mix apples and oranges or confuse state borders with country borders. They serve different purposes, and GB News, well, it's just another flavor in the media landscape. And as always, folks, keep it lighthearted and stay curious!
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The people who come across the southern border are breaking the law. Nobody knows who they are. They cost the taxpayers a half a trillion dollars a year. Cities and towns have to accommodate them with free Healthcare, schooling and other social services. They commit crimes like thefts, robberies, rapes and assaults. They are just a drain on already limited resources that should be used to help citizens. Hopefully president Trump gets re elected and starts a mass deportation. He said last week that we have a lot of work to do
I'll answer your second question first. GB News is a "news" and discussion channel on UK television that nobody watches. Like an endless succession of Alex Jones podcasts.
UK here. We're an island as you know, and we've reduced the options to sailing across the channel in small boats. Why they want to come here I've no idea.
Face it, Biden failed on this and even Democrat Mayors and Governors are upset, a Democrat Governor just called out the National Guard and city budgets have been drained from providing citizens services. Now the border has run out of room to house people and they are still coming with no end in sight and no leadership.
We have boarders to control the amount if people we have and what type of people.
You ask this smugly but yet you keep the front door to your hime shut and locked.
Not A US Citizen. Australian. We don't like illegal immigrants either. We don't have any land borders - only sea borders - but we get people buying rotted boats trying to queue jump our legal immigration processes.
We arrest them and lock them up on tropical islands. Then they stop trying to gate crash.
Well no. Obviously with 26 mill people, 100 mill is too many immigrants. Reasonably we want to attract skilled immigrants who will find employment and increase GDP. At the same time we are very conscious there are people who are deserving of compassionate relief. People who are in war zones etc etc.
So under our policies there are a certain number of humanitarian immigrants and a certain number of skilled immigrants each year.
Illegal immigrants pay a people smuggler for a berth on a boat that is ready to sink. The amount of money they pay is quite a lot and clearly they have money behind them. Most Australians would prefer to give humanitarian immigration slots to those that deserve relief instead of those that have the money to buy their way in.
If we allowed the latter, there would be - and have been - Armadas of sinking boats heading to our shores displacing those without money by those with.
We just don't think that is right and several elections have validated that. The only way to stop those with money paying people smugglers to buy their way in is simply to reject their applications and put them in the queue - at the bottom of course as is only fair dealing.
In the mean time they can wait for their turn on a glorious tropical island.
Australian immigration targets are planned at 200,000 pa as part of a broad population plan. The 100 million was hypothetical of course but staying with that would mean you need to jam in 4 more people into each bedroom until you build more housing. Increased immigration is felt almost immediately in housing because it is needed immediately for immigrants to live in.
A whole range of resources are immediately impacted or in a short space of time. More people more water consumption. More people more sewerage. More people, more unemployment in the short term, more unemployment benefits. Transport is a slower burn because immigrants possibly don't get cars immediately but public transport is impacted quickly.
The entire infrastructure of a country would need to be refreshed ASAP with a large population influx.
So obviously restricting immigration to a rate which is supportable is very necessary & sensible.
One difference is that Biden has not made any public decisions of building walls between states, while he has decided to continue to build Trump’s border wall.
Okay, so Biden continye to build border wall is still a difference between your country’s border and its state’s border. You asked for a difference, so unless you can provide evidence Biden has made promise to build border walls betseen states, its going to stay a difference.
So all you have is a big poof of nothing, that does not refute that I gave a difference between your country’s borders and states bordets.
I mentioned Biden in my original answer to this question:
What’s the difference in US open states borders and our country's borders?
And my answer was that one is that Biden said he would build wall on the country’s border, not on the states borders.
Thats my answer to your original question, you replied "Going along with GOP craziness to move the govt along is different than being ok with it."
I point out I mentioned a difference between the borders, your shitty president is building a wall on one of them amd not the other type, and point out you could refute my answer by proving he wanted to builf walls between states too
You give me a link
I ask if it refutes my answer
You said it didn’t I point out ok, your point didn’t refute my answer
My logic is not looped.
My logic is, Biden said he would build wall on the countrys border. As far as I know he has not said such a thing about borders betseen the states. That is one difference.
You can traversing the borders by legal means. If you can’t take a buss, train or airplane to go on a vacation, I don’t know why.
Read the link I gave in my original answer, he is bulding more wall, the answer you replied "Going along with GOP craziness to move the govt along is different than being ok with it" to. Ok, maybe he didn’t say it to go along with GOP, lets give the dems the entire blame themself.
Because the states are in the same country. And its not a disaster if they migrate legaly. And putting up a wall is not going to stop people who travel to the US to do business legaly. Have your papers in order and to it the right and legal way, amd it should be fine. Its when people do it illegaly it becomes a problem. Do it illegaly and the customs can’t do the necessary checks, the type of things you might need a passport for even if you are just on a vacation.
Here’s your problem, nearly half of America don’t pay taxes because they don’t make enough money. Yet they’re not the stain you’re worried about. It’s the damn southern border of poor brown people.
And to make it worse, that statistics are crystal clear: immigrants (illegal or not) work harder, commit less crime and take less welfare.
Economically speaking there’s an argument for trading a few million poor Americans for a few million illegal citizens.
This is how anti-immigration debates fall apart. There’s no economic reason behind it. Only racism.
Its not really my problem, I’m not American. I’m from Norway. And wanting people to immigrate legally to decrease chances of criminals comming over is no racism. There is a reason you need to have your passport and papers in order when you are on a vacation in another country, and obviously they should be stricter if you want to move to that country.
If I take the train to Sweden, and I don’t have my passport with me for customs, I will be sent of the train in Halden, before the train continue to Sweden. That ain’t racism. If the customs checks my luggage to make sure I don’t bring weapons with me, that ain’t racism either.
Wanting to decrease the chances of criminals entering your country is not racism.
And it is not racist if Norway decides to close our borders to Russia, as Norwegian news said last month that we might do.
Even Mexico has a boarder wall and open stare boarders. Why? Because Mexico can't support millions of legal immigrants, it impoverishes its citizens.
We have a lot of people who can't work because they've gotten disabled by our crappy systems. Manufacturers and employers pay almost no consequences for unsafe working conditions and workers get disabled by these. That's where a lot of people who aren't working originate. It's not that they don't want to work. It's that they look quite literally can't. There is a difference.
@msc545 disabled people paid. Old timers paid. The government got a hold of a large sum of money to invest etc and made money from it. Its not unlike how our banking system works. Just because the bank overextends itself and only has 20% of the money that they are supposed to be holding doesn't mean the don't owe people
The issue we have in America is a college industrial complex with no interest in actually providing an education, only to make money through a useless degree mill and of course high school education that is swamped by high numbers of children of illegal immigrants and a system set up in the early 20th century to prepare students for jobs that no longer exist and of course to provide a babysitting service so parents can contribute to the tax base.
@drewtate You say that…but stats still disagree with you. I mean you’re a little right about Ivy Leagues in that they don’t provide any leg up for grads any better than state colleges.
But having a degree, even todays kinda-recession-kinda-recovering, will practically guarantee not being poor.
Nah depending on your degree and how well you did in it as a new college graduate in the last 5 years will determine whether you are a minimum wage worker with tons of debt or someone that will maybe join the lower middle classes.
The stats are gathered by the college industrial complex, they aren't going to allow statistics that undercut their bottom line. College is a buisnesses bigger than us steel.
@msc545 the academic work in college is basically nothing. You talk to anyone in Europe and they are doing at age 16 in high-school what our college graduates do two year in at age 20.
@OddBeMe again when the statistics are compiled by the industrial college complex which yearly earns more than the GDP of many countries yeah I would deny it. Now if you are talking about college graduates with a stem degree or those with a masters or doctorate I wouldn't deny it. No use quote statistics based on those who completed their degrees 20-30 years ago, in 2024 college graduates are flipping burgers.
@drewtate stats are compiled by many researchers. Bureau of Labor, yes some colleges (doesn’t mean they made up the math) and think tanks. Yet all the numbers and trends turn out the same.
Statistics are taken as consensus when more than one institution, really most of not all, finds them correct and reproducable.
in Statistics 101, in the heart of the college industrial complex. What I learned in college was that the majority of everything you learn can't be used in the real world and what you can use could easily be learned off the Internet. Statistics up to 2023 count all those graduates from as far back as the 70s not what current graduates in the last 5-10 years are making or will make. Because anyone can go to college and because the academic standard of most college kids I'd so low a basic college degree isn't worth much. When I was there, a huge amount of college graduates had to be taught basic stuff they should have learned in middle school.
I have taught statistics at the undergrad and graduate levels. In two years you probably took introductory statistics, where you learned about normal distributions, mean, median, mode, and standard deviation. That was it except for perhaps dabbling in t-tests.
Whatever you think you learned in college past was not a product of your Statistics class.
@drewtate Again…Statistics 101 in college would have taught you that the math is sound but assumptions based on it isn’t. It’s humans who are wrong.
All I’m saying is the constant trend of college grads consistently making hundreds of thousands more than GED or less citizens. Assume what you want.
McNamara and his team quantified everything and loaded all the statistics into a computer, dome the brightest minds America ever produced. The statistics indicated the war had been won in 66.
All I'm saying is that there was a trend of college graduates making hundreds of thousands more than a basic high school graduate but it's no longer the case as with so many of the current crop of college graduates making minimum wage jobs. Currently trade jobs are on the rise, blue collar jobs in factories and construction sites now require a high degree of skill education and training. It's much like the coal mining jobs, even if coal mining made a big comeback tomorrow well its not going to be employing a whole workforce of thousands who left school at 16 and lifted a pick axe, no the whole mining is going to be done by machinery with very few jobs. Farming too is a very technical career as well requiring a high degree of education and knowledge, you see a lot of farmers now have college degrees in agriculture. I mean those big combine harvesters and tractors are now so advanced that they've as much electronics as an airliner jet, can be put on autopilot so they drive in an efficient straight line controlled by GPS, to put it into context some of those tractors are worth as much as $600,000 each.
No longer the case. The trend is still there. It’s not analyzed as such. It just is. College grads make hundred grands more than just GED grads. That’s just fact bro.
And you not accepting basic fact is ideology. Which scares the shit outta me. Half the country doesn’t think eduction is worth it. Despite the FACT that it is.
Yes but which College grads? All of them? Or just those that did a higher degree and specialised in a certain area?
The basic fact is that the half of people who don't think a college degree is worth it are those that are earning minimum wage.
In 2021 60% of high school graduates enrolled in college, what should scare you is the low levels of literacy and numeracy among them along with the nonsense that's being taught as well. Will there be good paying jobs for all those illiterate college graduates?
What should also scare you is the high rates of obesity in this country so bad that the US military has to spend a whole year getting new recruits into shape just for basic teaching them how to exercise and how to eat healthy.
Yes, that’s another research fact. Having a degree, no matter in what guarantees hundreds of thousands more over their life than not getting a degree. Having worked in corporate America I see communication majors, even dance majors in corporate white collar jobs.
Even though they may have barista’d at Starbucks a year after college doesn’t mean their degree is worthless. Statistics clearly show that it is.
Stats also show Ivy League schools aren't worth their high tuition as the ROI on jobs is equal or a little less than state college. Another FACT recently found.
" Yes, that’s another research fact. Having a degree, no matter in what guarantees hundreds of thousands more over their life than not getting a degree. Having worked in corporate America I see communication majors, even dance majors in corporate white collar jobs." This used to be the case but no longer, also white collar jobs are slowly disappearing. This is why you see so many college graduates in construction and other blue collar jobs. Of course many blue collar jobs actually require a high end stem degree and pay well.
Ivy League Schools are worth it but it depends on your level of intelligence, hard work and academic ability. Most are going there to make contacts with the right people and the rich kids there just coast through doing the bare minimum because they know they will walk into a plum job. If you don't come from money or aren't highly intelligent you don't belong in ivy league colleges.
I dated a girl in high school who was homeschooling and she did the first two years of her college degree at community college at age 14.
“That used to be the case, but no longer.”
Complete bullshit.
www.insidehighered.com/.../college-worth-it-recent-analysis-says-yes
There is no such fucking thing as "open borders" it's a misnomer. It's either a border, or it's not. The US REQUIRES people to be on US soil to make an asylum claim.
You exceed your own stupidity daily.
It's because we are United
We going to get terrorist real bad
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