Is Conversion Therapy for minors child abuse?

[Anonymous]

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Conversion therapy in general is abuse no matter what it's for. You're just forcing someone to accept a version of themselves they are not.

[MemeSupreme]

yeah in 7th grade my friend went and she almost killed herself bc of it WHICH is a pretty common there

it's terrible

[lightbulb27]

Forcing someone can or is abusive, because it's not what they want.

If they seek it, given guidance to someone that chooses and wants it is help, or guidance being a parent to help them navigate confusing life development. that's not abuse.

I have no idea what it actually is.

[Asker]

That's why I ask for minors specifically. Because of their parents being in charge of them, and they're not fully mentally developed yet, then if their parents guide them towards it would they really be choosing it for themself?

[lightbulb27]

"There's pushing people to jump into the swimming pool... so they learn to jump... and then it goes too far into abuse". There is a fine line, it's yes to both.
I would not require it. I wouldn't say it's abuse, but it could be.
ugh...

[Asker]

So if a parent encourages or strongly suggests conversion therapy, as long as the final choice is up to the child, then it's okay. Only if the child is forced against their active protest to do conversion therapy, then that's abuse. I guess that makes sense on some level.

[lightbulb27]

it's not that clear. I wouldn't offer it to a 5 yr old.
to be honest, I'm not familiar with this other than in concept nor have I dealt with the issue. I've dealt with a child coming home saying "maybe I'm bi". I've talked to gay/lesbians about their lives.

[gorydetails]

It is. The alphabet crew needs to stop trying to convert children to their degenerate lifetsyle.

[Asker]

What do you mean?

[gorydetails]

The normalization of LGBTQEIEIO folks and promoting their lifestyle is conversion therapy and an attempt to turn normal children to their degenerate lifestyle.

[Asker]

Uh, actually I'm asking about a specific kind of process some adults choose to (and some kids are forced to) go through, something done by a particular organization or individual with the explicit purpose of changing the subjects gender or sexuality.

I'm not talking about society-wide shifts in demographics or popularity. That's a completely different idea.

[gorydetails]

Right. So when LGBTQ people are trying to convert people... what do you think that is other than something done by a particular organization or individual with the explicit purpose of changing the subject's gender or sexuality.

[Asker]

When LGBT people participate in or create organizations that do conversion therapy, that is conversion therapy. When LGBT people become more common or popular in society, that's not conversion therapy. Just like when any other group of people does conversion therapy or becomes more common or popular. I'm only asking about conversion therapy. I'm not asking about vague or general society shifts.

[gorydetails]

IT's absolutely conversion therapy. Two gay men can't reproduce. A tranny doesn't pass tranny genes to the next generation.

[Asker]

A gay person having a public life and being popular is not conversion therapy. Sorry I'm getting very confused as to how you aren't understanding this. Conversion therapy has a pretty narrow meaning. By your logic, a straight couple raising their own child would be conversion therapy just because the child is aware of the parents relationship and sees it as normal. Surely you don't think that, do you?

[gorydetails]

Gay men have to convert others to be gay. Trannies do also. Why else would they want drag queens to read to kids? Why else would trans content be flooding social media? They are trying to convert more to the degenerate lifestyle.

A straight couple is normal. The default.

[Asker]

This is all very unrelated to conversion therapy. Many different kinds of people read to kids. Many different kinds of people post content about themselves on social media. Maybe you're confused about what therapy is—are you at all familiar with that? Have you ever been to or heard of therapy before? Do you know how it is different from social media and social or educational events?

[gorydetails]

no, it’s 100% conversion therapy.

[Asker]

So you don't even know what regular therapy is. Okay... have you ever gone to a doctors office perhaps? Do you know how people usually go to doctors for treatment of physical problems like injuries or illness, and the doctor assesses them and then gives them treatment to try to fix their problem?

[gorydetails]

Right. And I know that doctors are butchering young girls and getting paid very well to do so.

[Asker]

Okay. So a therapist is like a doctor. You go to them (or take your child to them) with a mental problem, and they treat you to try and fix that problem. Does that make sense? (This is just therapy in general, not specifically conversion therapy).

[gorydetails]

Yes. And if that therapist advises someone to get on sterilizing hormones and getting surgery they are evil and giving unhealthy advice.

[Asker]

Okay, so now, converversion therapy is when the "problem" is the patients gender or sexuality, and the therapist tries to "fix it" by trying to forcibly change the patients gender or sexuality in the patients mind/beliefs.

That is only one kind of therapy, and there are other kinds, but I'm just talking about this one kind. It is often applied to trans or gay people by trying to make them stop being trans or gay, but could also theoretically be applied to try to make people become trans or gay. In either case, this is conversion therapy, and I'm asking you whether you this this specific kind of therapy is child abuse when done to a minor. Do you think you can answer that question?

[gorydetails]

So you are admitting that the LGBT+ crowd is engaging in conversion therapy?

[Asker]

I'm asking you if conversion therapy on minors is child abuse, no matter who does it. Do you have an opinion about that?

[gorydetails]

I told you. It's child abuse to try to convert children to the LGPSTEAREA lifestyle. That was my first reply.

[Asker]

I'm asking about in general, not only if a certain person does it in a certain direction. Do you think the actual conversion therapy is abusive, or do you only think it's abusive if gay/trans people do it to try to make kids gay/trans?

[gorydetails]

I'm pointing out that when you folks say "conversion therapy" you are ignoring the conversion going on to create more lgptq people.

[Asker]

Can you answer the question before changing the subject, please? Do you think conversion therapy itself is child abuse when done to a minor, regardless of who is doing it or in which direction?

[gorydetails]

If it's helping someone not be gay, I think that's ok.

[Asker]

Okay. So you don't think conversion therapy for minors is itself child abuse.

[gorydetails]

I think encouraging children to be trans is child abuser

[Asker]

That's a different thing. I'm just talking about conversion therapy right now. Thanks for being eager to share though.

[Anonymous]

Converting from abnormal to normal? Not abuse.

From normal to abnormal? IS abuse.

[Asker]

What do you mean?

[Opinion Owner]

Encouraging homosexuality or transvestitism on a child is indeed mental abuse

[Asker]

I'm not talking about encouragement, I'm talking about conversion therapy.

[Opinion Owner]

I haven't heard that term in a long time. What's the definition of that term once again?

[Asker]

I don't know an official definition, but I'm sure you could find one if you look. The general idea is to change the subject's gender or sexuality through some sort of manipulation or brute force. It's certainly not encouraging.

[Opinion Owner]

I think it has to do with changing a person's mental desire to be homosexual, or "trans" ... back to heterosexual, and the desire to be the actual gender/sex that you are. If that's the definition, then I am TOTALLY in favor of "Conversion Therapy".

[Asker]

I dont think that definition makes sense, because most adults who have conversion therapy done on them do it because they already don't want to be gay or trans.

[Opinion Owner]

OK, that also makes sense. But a likely problem with Mental Health Professionals helping bring these suffering people back to mental healthiness is that these Professionals are afraid of losing their jobs, due to the evil-mindedness of the Human Resources idiots who have the power to FIRE them.

[Asker]

Oh, no, conversion therapy isn't practiced by any mental health professionals. The people who practice it are all alternative-medicine or religious groups, so there's no risk of them being fired for it. That's why I'm asking if it's abuse, because it's not regulated under the oath to "do no harm" or HIPPA or any institutional ethical guidelines like that.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Yes.

[Agape93]

Yeap

[jahaims]

Duh.