Not all guns go through a registered gun dealer. Heck, even Obama sold guns to the Mexican drug cartel. I have one registered gun, and three unregistered guns. It's not exactly rocket science. This is no different than banning heroin, cocaine, meth, crack or fentanyl. Good luck.
I can spend 50 bucks at a hardware store and do more damage with that than the average mass shooter does with a firearm. The tool that delivers the violence isn't the issue. It's the mentally unhinged that are the issue.
I remember the story about a crazy guy in Brazil that broke into a daycare with hatchet killed a bunch of kids.
Yeah, pretty much! It happened in England
There are no guns in England?
You never get new citizens. Lol
@GlenQuagmire there are more guns then people in the USA. And our country is obviously much larger, more diverse (and dis-rift) and the right to bare arms has been part of our founding constitution.
That doesn’t mean I’m “okay” with mass shooters and other gun violence. But what the media doesn’t tell you is that in AGGREGATE gun homicides are down since the early 90s (one off homicides). Sure everybody hears about Maas shootings. But actually overall gun violence is down.
But the left is extremely naive about all this (at best). But now I think they have much more sinister objectives consider all the insane Orwellian bs they have done in recent years. They want to disarm civilians so they can apply more authoritarian control.
Another thing people don’t realize is if a foreign country ever invaded the United States they not only have to fight our advanced military but also have to fight armed civilians as well. Sure most world military’s are far better armed than the average American civilian. But most militaries don’t intentionally commit genocide and try to limit civilian casualties.
So say if China invaded the USA. They wouldn’t just bomb civilian buildings/property that they want to seize control of. But they would have to deal with a large armed civilian population which would make their job much harder. It’s a deterrent for our national security.
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I think it works if you have a country like Japan that didn't have high firearm ownership before the ban, and has had it for a long time. Granted it doesn't stop criminals from getting guns. It just makes them more expensive. Though we have the opposite here.
Anytime I have bought a handgun or rifle, I'm paying out the ass for a legal one, but if I want to buy one from a private sale, or especially a heater, I'm paying half price or less.
Ammo also gets more expensive, like I bought a.38 in Costa Rica and a 50 round box of hollow points cost as much as the gun did. Granted none of the weapons he offered had serials, and were all high quality finished products. Probably all hand loads.
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If almost no one owned firearms before the ban, the ban is just as pointless, as it changed nothing.
@TheSpaceGnome I think the ban would have a point, it would make all gun owners criminals and drastically increase crime. If for no other reason many police and military would become criminals on the spot as well. Police would retire en masse like during BLM, and military would be very hesitant to re-up contracts after having their weapons seized from the armory.
As for availability, gun owners are an absolute minority in the UK and Japan, so their bans work through fear of the weight that can be thrown at the offense. In the US it is the opposite. We also have hundreds of millions of weapons with billions of rounds of ammo.
I do see your point though, like if you banned firearms for a tribe in the amazon their day to day would be the same. America does have a large gun culture though, the largest in the world by far. Banning baby formula would be less difficult.
If you think countries like China aren't supplying arms to anyone with enough cash, you'd be fooling yourself. Those Venezuelan gangs aren't getting full-auto AKs from just nowhere, and they certainly aren't buying them from gun stores with a background check.
But even if you could "magic" every gun off of the planet, all that would do is cause killers to find different tools - and terrorists would likely use bombs, chemical or bio weapons, or vehicles to cause mass killings. Not having guns certainly wouldn't slow them down much.
Banning guns has never been about stopping crime - it's about making the population helpless from whatever policies the government decides to implement.
Look at Canada or the UK: they first had gun registration ("no one is looking to take away your guns - we just need sensible gun control!"), and then after a single incident they got confiscation. Now, defending themselves is essentially illegal, and the Canadian police have literally told them that the way to prevent home invasions from escalating to extreme violence is to just leave their car keys and valuables out for thieves to take, and "hopefully" they'll just take what they want and leave. They are completely helpless.
That's exactly what the government wants in the US. Then, the government can literally do whatever they want, and nothing can be done but suffer under whatever policies they decide upon. To be cattle to the slaughter.
And just like in Canada and the UK, it won't stop the crime a bit - in fact, it will only get worse and worse as the government has no fear of being held accountable by the people.
Great points
Thankfully most people here aren't dumb enough to allow those kinds of absurd laws.
How Canadians tolerated it is beyond me.
Well, "Blue" you are probably right and it is probably much like "prohibition" was. We all saw on many films how "prohitition' went and how successful that was?
I have a registered hand gun, but ONLY because I graduated from a law enforcement academy, Orange County Sheriffs Dept, here in California, and at that time, I was allowed to have a high capacity magazine (14 rounds) From from being a 'gun freak', I have my gun put away and RARELY take it out to clean and oil it, even though I should take better care of it.
I'm sure you know about "ghost guns." 3-D printers can crank them out all day long. They are unserialized and untraceable. Banning guns is like banning cockroaches. It won't happen.
You used to be able to buy guns cheap at the gun show in Pomona. Now even they have to do background checks. Of course, there are always under the table sales everywhere. I know the gangs have no problem getting them. Also, lots of straw buyers that send them to Mexico.
@Daniela1982
The bottom line is the Democrats don't care about gun violence. If they did, they would go back to background checks for immigrants.
True, seems illegal immigrants send them into refugee camps in food boxes that don't get scanned for weapons.
@Daniela1982
They are just undocumented Democrat voters.
That sounds like Worke Karmala talking. 🤣😂
@Daniela1982
Perhaps.
@bluesparrow I can only agree with your assessment, but am not familiar with "Ghost Gun's" and cannot comment on that.
Ghost guns are made with 3-D printers. The first time I heard of 3-D printing, I didn't believe it. We've all printed stuff on paper with a regular printer, but I've never once printed a gun, coffee cup or even an ear. Now the sky is the limit. Science fiction soon becomes reality.
@bluesparrow I agree and any thinking person would/should recognize that. There is no other reason to open the flood gates to immigrants from EVERY country other than to SOLIDIFY the Democratic party as the largest most powerful party in the country, even trying to make legal for an illegal immigrant to vote at this point in time. Frightening.
"How exactly do you ban people from illegally possessing a firearm?"
You can't, a person who commits crimes, is by definition, a person who BREAKS the law, so laws do not stop crime.
Is it true that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns?
Yes, if they are willing to commit murder, they are willing to illegally obtain a gun.
If you make guns illegal, then only people who get them illegally will have them (minus law enforcement/military, which if they ever become corrupt, only criminals will be left to replace them, as no one else would be armed enough to do so).
People with guns save lives from other people with guns. Anyond who has ever been on the morally justified side of a shootout knows this.
When in armed combat, you can either shoot back, or die.
Anyone*
Exactly
You can ban anything on paper. Some states even make it illegal to have an unregistered gun. But criminals don't follow the law, of course, so laws only apply to law abiding people. And the government knows this. They probably also know that it's the law abiding types who are forced to pay taxes and to avoid another 1776 tax revolt situation you only need to unarm the law abiding types.
Wow, a second intelligent answer! Thanks.
My other thought on that is... while people argue over gun bans... they forgot to pay attention the last 25+ years while schools and media brainwashed as many kids as possible to hate their own country and be open to ideas that weaken society. Sort of like if your house is on fire and people want to argue about whether it's okay to have certain types of windows installed. Oh well
LMAO. Or like you have all of your doors and windows open, and carry a fly-swatter to get rid of the files?
@bluesparrow Yup
Brilliant!
If a criminal wants a firearm they will find/buy them, I live in the UK, the firearms laws here make the US look as though they are not trying to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, but criminals here still get hold of firearms, especially in Metropolitan areas.
In the movie "In The Line of Fire", the assassin made his own gun.
I'm an an Engineer by trade if I wanted to I could build a firearm with no problem just as P A Luty did to prove a point here in the UK in the late 1990's. Weapons based on Luty's designs have been used or found in numerous recorded incidents of criminal or terrorist activity, including criminal groups in Australia, Brazil, Romania, Sweden, Ecuador, the United Kingdom, with terrorist organizations in Indonesia, and in an anti-Semitic terror incident in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YE9J7qcj0c
That’s a pretty impressive homemade machine gun.
He proved it could be done.
This question really shows the complete lack of understanding.
The ban would be on the sale of assault rifles. Those which are designed to kill a lot of people (PEOPLE) quickly. Which have absolutely no place in civilians hands. I'm sure there would be a buyback program like other countries have done when banning weapons like this.
Will everyone hand in their guns? No very unlikely, but those who are law abiding citizens will.
Those who have those guns registered will probably have them confiscated.
Even if only half of the people handed their now illegal guns in that's half as many assault rifles in the hands of civilians.
Remember, most mass shootings that have taken place have been done with legally obtained guns.
The real work actually comes with how much the laws on who can obtain a gun need to change and the regulations over how they should be stored.
Given mic-manaufacturing technology including 3d metal printers even if you could ban and collect all guns in America something that would take 150+ years even if it wasn't resisted. Anyone who wanted a gun would easily make one.
Banning guns is a pipe-dream of control freaks that is only going to get even more remote.
That’s my whole point. Banning guns is like a dog trying to catch its tail.
Get the insurance companies involved. As a gun owner myself I believe this could really change things for the better.
You care about your gun right? So insure it, if you don't have gun insurance you don't have a gun. Do you really think crazy people gonna go to all the effort into getting gun insurance and pay for it to then shoot a bunch of people
Thats a terrible idea, its makes the poor unable to defend themselves, and allows legislators to choose who gets to be armed through economic manipulation, which gives them way too much power.
@TheSpaceGnome most gun crime happens in poor neighbourhoods. If no one has a good who they gonna defend themselves from? I don't know as I'm not American and I've only seen that shit in the purge but I'm pretty sure rich people aren't chasing round poor people with guns on a regular basis
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"If no one has a good who they gonna defend themselves from?"
From the people whp illegally obtain guns, as those are the people committing murders with them.
Criminals are people who break the law, there is no such thing as a scenario where no one has guns, just one where everyone can have them, and one where only psychopaths can have them.
It would reduce the amount of guns but it wouldn't eliminate them for the people who really wanted them. For a demand there will always be a market.
And the law abiding citizens would be the ones giving up their guns.
It is the assholes in Washington DC that keep foisting the ban / confiscating your gun like Kamala said years ago we are coming for your guns. The main problem is if they did collect every legal gun in America the only ones that would have guns would be the gangs and cartels they do not buy their guns and fill out forms for a license from the gunshop legally, they go down to the corner and buy anything from a 22 cal pistol to an M1A1 Abrams tank off the black market. They are now better armed than the police. Now let us hear, that is not true from the left.
There are more guns than people in the USA. Good luck passing legislation to remove 400M+ guns in circulation.
And keep in mind that the people who would come for the guns also have guns at home. So I don’t even think the cops would do it.
In some states local sheriffs refuse to enforce gun laws that they think are ridiculous.
I do know my state has a “red flag” law. My neighbor could literally call the police on me if we just got in an argument. I would be forced to turn in my guns for at least a few months regardless if she had proof I was a threat to her or or not. All she has to do is say she “feels” threatened.
I didn’t have this ever happen. But it’s a loophole bs leftist method to disarm people you don’t like.
And you can make them yourself using a 3D printer or with parts at home depot.
If this gets even close to happening, millions of people are going to call the police and say their guns were stolen.
There needs to be better education for gun safety and it needs to be taught to kids young.
The problem is leftist will say “well that could train and motivate a mass shooter with gun culture”
and that’s complete bullshit. The majority mass shooters I’ve seen were self radicalized and self “trained” with guns.
Anyway I wasn’t raised with guns. But I do now own two handguns and I have taken gun training. I also have a concealed carry (which I rarely use).
But my guns are locked in a safe. They are only there if someone breaks into my house. And some liberals are like “well why does a former pro mma fighter need a gun to protect himself”. Easy response to that. If an intruder has a gun and I don’t guess who wins 99% of the time? It doesn’t matter if the intruder is a 4’ 10’’ 90lb woman. She could easily kill me if she’s armed and I’m not. I can’t arm bar a bullet.
There was an ancient Korean martial arts expert in the movie Remo Williams. He could actually dodge bullets. Lol
A few generations ago rifle training existed in US public highschools.
No one shot up the schools then, as it would have been scuicidal both in immediate retaliation, and if you somehow survived that, in death sentencing.
You can ban it, but you cannot prevent it. I have no doubt the Communist Chinese are smuggling AK-47s into Mexico and then bringing them across the border with the cartels.
Obama sold guns to the Mexican cartel.
I don't think you can't once there many guns.
And yes criminals will always have access to a gun somehow since they need it because of the lifestyle they live.
Finally an intelligent reply. Thanks.
If people cannot buy a gun legally they will find them on rhe black market
In the Clint Eastwood movie in the line of fire, the guy who tried to assassinate the president just made his own gun.
This one looked more like something he made in woodshop. But maybe it was from a 3-D laser I don’t know. Whatever it was made of it had to be able to go through metal detector undetected.
The same way you ban them from illegally having abortions.
True. It ain't happening.
Exactly.
same way banning drugs keeps people from using drugs
That’s true.
If the law enforcers would start abiding by the laws and enforcing it, rather than just let so many off "on their word" (if not totally). that would be a good start. But you're right- the law-abiding citizens will get trampled and the jerk balls will have the guns.
A determined person in the USA can acquire or build a firearm even if that person is not permitted.
I know a guy who robbed over 200 banks. It’s hard to imagine that’s possible when bank robbery is illegal.😂😂
exactly.
It seems enough outlaws already have guns !!!
They’re easy to get.
An estimated 425,000,000 guns for 340,000,000 people, about 11/4 gun per Yank.
Gun control is visible in the price of illegal weapons.
In some countries a used illegal gun is 5 times more expensive than a new legal one.
And apparently some would be mass shooters do reconsider by the time they have saved up enough money and just fly to Malaga or something instead.
In the UK the vast majority of criminals do not carry guns. The reason is simple, being caught with one while committing a crime dramatically increases your sentence.
But they most certainly could have them if they wanted them.
Criminals rarely buy guns in the UK, they hire them. But if they fire the gun it's considered bought and that gets very expensive.
I’m talking about America.
In America they just buy one at their local grocery store
Don’t be stupid.
Do you always make crazy, stupid claims like "Obama sold guns to Mexican drug cartels" ? What the hell is wrong with you?
Have you heard of fast and furious?
Have you looked it up yet?
It might be a film now, but it wasn’t when it happened. Keep trying.
It’s not my opinion this was all over the news when it happened. It’s not a movie. It’s was a top-secret government operation. Americans were killed by guns that were sold to the Mexican drug cartel by Obama. can’t imagine how you came up with the movie.
Copy and past
ATF set to destroy guns associated with Obama-era Fast and Furious scandal
Fast and Furious: Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal and the Shameless Cover-Up
Can I tag you on my next question that will prove it?
Too late, it's posted.
Search this
Is there anyone on here that can corroborate the fact that "Fast and Furious" is more than a bunch of car movies?
I totally made that stuff up. lol
The problem is the government overreach
Harsher penalties
Best answer.
And yet so simple😂
It’s simple for you and I.
Thats exactly what happens
that's pretty much it in a nut shell
Yep.
all outlaws already have guns.
And they're keeping them.
Yes, it's basically true
Lmao.
They did it in Australia and the UK
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