So Trump could still be sentenced to jail... and if he is what will you do about it?

[msc545]

In a few days Trump has to appear in court for sentencing, and the Judge COULD sentence him to jail - probably a suspended sentence but still... If that happens what will you do about it, if anything? I think Trump will get a LARGE fine and a suspended sentence. Of course, he will never serve a day in jail and simply won't pay the fine and there will be no consequences since apparently the law does not apply to him.

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1 y

Well, turns out he will not be going to jail and as far as I know now (11-19 9:34 PST), his sentencing will be delayed until his Presidential term is up 4 years from January 2025 - if he is in office and lives that long ( I do NOT wish him death or even more illness - I hope nobody does. He is a human being and deserves kindness and consideration even if he does not reciprocate this).

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1 y

See the update. The US is where Justice goes to die.

[lightbulb27]

He should serve 2 days in jail. Rest of his sentence divided up over other volunteers to take his place. I'll take 2 days in jail on his behalf.

Frankly, this would be good for most people to be arrested and serve time in jail so they see what it's like. Wouldn't you like to spend some time with Hunter and Joe... in jail? Then maybe we have a better chance improving the prison system... it's a win win.

I find it wrong they seem to be bailing on these cases. WTF? Everyone should be under the same law, I don't agree with the idea President is above all laws. Said same under Bush and Clinton. But thats whent eh political attacks really started down the slippery slope of doom.

I don't agree with the decision on the "rape" case. Convict Trump of that, then should have taken teh bball player that died in the helicopter to court as well... he raped that girl... no doubt. The other one of fake electors, that is the bigger issue I've seen. Maybe the documents case as well. Ya don't get to take documents home or stuff them in your garage. There are rules for a reason. Then again, it's got to be a mess securing and informing these people. So attempt to repair and provide security and establish principles. Sharing of secrets with others, that's an issue. There's legit issues, whether true, I don't know. Clinton /Obama as well pulled fast one and sold our Uranium to Russia. Legal probably , but WTF?

There must be a common foundation both left/right agree to and adhere to in ethics, in behavior, rules.

What is essential is we move towards adherence to laws... right/wrong that both sides can support. I'm not sure that is achievable. Somehow have to achieve trust in govt in a time where truth, and trust... are eroding.

Tulsi in my opinion... nailed it... as usual! These people coming out using their right to free speech... and saying things that are unfounded "Russian Asset"... that isn't a law violation, it's freedom of speech. But where is the evidence? So many lesser than Tusli could have fallen and been chewed up by such powerful people.

If we don't establish a solid foundation out of this administration... we are doomed!

Whom is right... and whom is wrong...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/t_Oi7spP6xk

To be honest, I already figured were doomed. I lean towards open and positive because defeatism is no good. But reality is what it is... it would take another WWII level pearl harbor event to bring country together. God forbid that happens and we go there...

[IridescentWave]

No way is a state trial court judge going to incarcerate the President-Elect of the country, not even for five seconds. At this point the entire case may be thrown out because of the Supreme Court immunity ruling. Maybe a fine, maybe. But even a suspended sentence is unlikely because what happens if he's charged with breaking another law? Then the judge would have to impose jail time, so likely nothing with jail time in the sentence.

[msc545]

I think for the case to be thrown out Trump's lawyers would have had to have filed an appeal and so far they haven't done so.

[msc545]

You just never stop making excuses for this clown do you?

[IridescentWave]

I can't post links... agh. But if you check the docket the order granting reconsideration under Trump v. United States was granted on September 6 and scheduled for November 12. Then on November 10 a joint motion to suspend all pending motions until the 19th was granted. So it's in limbo at the moment.

[msc545]

Thank you very much. I will look at the docket

[Daniela1982]

The law does not apply to any President as I can't remember of any President that went to jail for anything, or Biden would not have defied the Constitution and let a bunch of invaders into the country that are busting many cities and costing the taxpayers $Billions.

[msc545]

There are no "invaders".

[Daniela1982]

You call them what you want, I'll call them what I want. So you think drug smugglers, cartel members, gangs, sex traffickers, prisoners from all the jails in So. America, etc., etc. are invited guests? No, they are all moochers living it up on the taxpayers, while the homeless, veterans, and elderly suck hind tit to them. smh

[msc545]

Where are they?

[Daniela1982]

Probably squatting in your back yard. 😂🤣 They want tacos for dinner tonight.

[msc545]

No, seriously, where are they? Since you claim that "millions streamed across the border daily" what happened to them all? I would think that you would notice millions of additional people, yet nobody seems to be able to tell me where they are. Did you people kill all of them or did they never exist to begin with?

[Daniela1982]

Try looking in every amnesty town, starting with New York. I'm sure the criminal element are the ones you DON'T want to see. But if it was like the 80,000 unaccompanied minor children the government lost track of, they could be anywhere now. The government doesn't seem to be concerned. Why don't you sponsor some of them so they can become citizens? All you have to do is guarantee that they will be employed and have a place to live. Maybe paying their expenses as far as the legal papers are concerned. I mean you seem to be their buddy. 🎅🏼

[msc545]

These people literally do not exist in the numbers you keep whining about. I live in Los Angeles. Don't you think if they had arrived in the numbers you suggest it would be obvious here where I live?

I am absolutely not in the mood for your unneeded snark and provocations. Stop that shit right now please.

[msc545]

You seem to have a lot of difficulty controlling yourself and behaving politely, and I really am not inclined to tolerate it or reinforce it - grow up. We are done here.

[Kayleigh2005]

Please explain what exactly he was charged with?

The jury had 3 options and could use any which always to get to a guilty verdict 🤣🤣🤣

Anyone please

[msc545]

What?

[msc545]

I don't know what they were. I haven't read them. If they were made public then you can look them up yourself.

[Kayleigh2005]

Jydge Merchan gave the jurors three possible “unlawful means” they can apply to Trump’s charges: falsifying other business records, breaking the Federal Election Campaign Act or submitting false information on a tax return.

For a conviction, each juror would have to find that at least one of those three things happened, but they don’t have to agree unanimously on which it was.

[msc545]

And? (call me a name one more time and you get blocked)

[Kelley1]

Is that a Federal or State charge? If Federal, it would have to occur before he is inaugurated president because he can pardon Federal crimes. However, he might choose to let the appeals and Supreme Court Intervene and overturn the wrongful convictions.

[msc545]

It is a state charge

[Kelley1]

Then he can't grant a pardon. He will have to let the appeal court overturn the wrongful convictions.

[goaded]

Except they're not wrongful convictions.

[DrPepper12]

Not gonna happen. He already said he'll follow DoJ guidance memo from Watergate plus trump is a very special little boy and can crime all he wants as long as he says it's an official act.

[goaded]

Why do people keep calling him a sitting president? He's not, not until Jan 20 at 12:00.

[exitseven]

These cases are all falling apart. I suspect that the judge will postpone sentencing until Trumps term is over.

[msc545]

I don't think you understand how this works. The case is over. He has been convicted. All that is left is sentencing. There is nothing left to fall apart as you put it.

[exitseven]

The judge will postpone sentencing until Trump s term is over. This will never be heard about after that.

[msc545]

I seriously doubt that he's going to do that because I think Trump made him too angry. However, you could be right.

[goaded]

I hope the judge will sentence him to jail time, at least one day to prove the point: nobody is above the law in the US.

[abc3643]

Tomorrow's the big day! Let's hope Juan Merchan has the cojones to do what's right.

After all, ...

JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.

He's already denied us justice twice.

[goaded]

No sentencing tomorrow, "Merchan agreed to give prosecutors until Nov. 19 to advise the court on the state’s “view of appropriate steps going forward.”"
www.factcheck.org/.../

(The most recent sentencing date was 26th November.)

My vote would be for a day in prison. Fines are obviously worse than useless to get Trump to change behaviour, he just uses other people's money to pay them.

[BradleyScheff]

Because of the multiple attempted murders, the public has shifted to support of Trump at large. The left went to way too far and way too woke. So the centrists are moving sharply right in Protest.

[goaded]

The attempted assassin was a republican.

[BradleyScheff]

... Whose last donation was to the Democrats. Don't leave that part out.

[goaded]

What would you be saying about someone who tried to kill Harris?

[BradleyScheff]

That he's a moron and should be in prison? You don't just kill political opponents. You destroy them ideologically and make them a joke.

[msc545]

There were not multiple attempted murders. There was exactly one attempted murder that was kind of questionable in terms of what really happened. The left had nothing to do with it. The guy that shot at him was a registered Republican.

[BradleyScheff]

Who made his last donation to the democrats?

[msc545]

How do you know that, and what does it matter? Is that all you have?

[BradleyScheff]

It matters because it showed his recent political position

[msc545]

Why do you believe that's true?

[msc545]

We also had donated to the Republican party. That suggests he was just confused.

[msc545]

I meant to say he had donated not we e. As usual. I can't correct anything on here.

[BradleyScheff]

"When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing." - The Times of Israel. 2. Both his parents were registered Democrats.

[msc545]

Are you the same now as you were at 15?

[msc545]

Sorry, 17

[BradleyScheff]

Well, yes. I haven't changed much in 4 years. Sure subtle changes have happened but the core of my personality and interests remain largely the same.

[msc545]

Most people do not stay the same.

[BradleyScheff]

Most people stay largely the same in a span of three years. It is folly to think that they do not.

[MisterWack]

I believe that, the court cases should cease & pause until his presidency is over. That is all.

[AviatorTom]

That's not gonna happen. Can you imagine the fallout on a judge that puts the President in jail. I agree with @exitseven.

[saraupstairs]

Biden won' let it happen. That's why he invited Hitler for lunch. Biden is scared.

[coachTanthony]

Acknowledge your tribal chief Donald John Trump !!!

[Anonymous]

I think there may be an investigation into the use of the justice system by the Democrats as a weapon against its political opponents

[Twalli]

If he's sentenced to jail abd fined snd foes neither, I will make that the centerpiece of any criminal defense I partake in.

[noohair]

I would like to see this case go to the Supreme Court. It will be dismissed as flawed law.

[Snakeyes7]

I am not sure what convicting him will accomplish. Clearly the majority of the voters think these charges were bogus, convicting him will only piss the people off even more. Maybe that's the point.

[msc545]

@Snakeyes7, we do not try people in the media. What people think of the charges doesn't matter, only what the jury thinks. This is how our system works—how far did you go in school that you either didn't know this or decided to ignore it?

[msc545]

He has already been convicted.

[Snakeyes7]

Right, he has already been convicted my bad.

Still if you actually paid attention to the trial:

-it violates the constitution as Trump was supposed to know the crime he was being accused of prior to the trial but the trial was conducted to find a crime to convict him of instead.

- it turned out that the money was actually transferred through a fake invoice Trump's lawyer sent him, to which he paid without thinking about it, and then paid Stormy with that money. Trump didn't know what that money was for so the entire premise of the trial has been debunked right then and there.

- If I remember correctly, that trial took place in New York. There was no way Trump was getting a fair trail as the chances of getting a jury who has a massive hate boner for the guy and would do anything to see him rot in prison was probable.

-the crime they "got" Trump on was the falsification of business records, which is only a fine for the area he was in so the court upgraded it to a felony becuase they want to send their bogeyman to prison that badly.

[msc545]

Those are all questions of fact which were already considered at the trial. Trump knew exactly what he was being tried for as did his lawyers. The rest of it is just your opinions.

[Snakeyes7]

He does now, the problem was that they were using the trial to see if there was a crime within the act of giving the money, that was what was unconstitutional and should have made the trial illegitimate from the start. It went right along with the Soviet Secret Police saying of "show me the man and I will show you the case against him."

[msc545]

No, the way that we decide if crimes have been committed by people is that we have a trial, with a jury of 12 people. The Jury decides. We do not allow people to just randomly decide ahead of time, although a prosecutor CAN refuse to pursue a case. That didn't happen here. We do not make decisions based on what the general public or the internet thinks is the right thing to do.

I am sorry you are unhappy with what happened but he received due process as the law requires.

[Snakeyes7]

The very fact that the entire premise of the court was "let's see what crime he committed because he is surely hiding something" is the literal opposite of due process. It is a blatant sign that the people participating in the court were salivating at the thought of seeing him behind bars because he is their bogeyman.

Furthermore, the court proved that not only that there was no evidence that he committed a crime but the lawyer stole the money he was accused of using to pay off Stormy, which was why they wanted to get him on falsifying business records, from him through scamming him. This is another violation of due process because we operate on "innocent until proven guilty" and this was "guilty even when proven innocent."

This is a dangerous precedent we are setting here. If innocence gets condemned enough times then the average citizen will think that the choice of being good and evil is immaterial if not even innocence can save them from the wrath of the justice system.

[msc545]

No - the premise is "Was a crime committed by this person?" - that is the question the Jury has to answer.

There is a very strong presumption of innocence. That is how our system works and these things are the foundation of due process.

[msc545]

The fact that you dislike the result does not mean there was a due process violation - there was not. The Prosecution is VERY careful to make sure there is not as they do not want the verdict to be vacated on appeal.

[Snakeyes7]

I just told you exactly why I think it is a due process violation. The fact that Trump is the target of this is immaterial.

I don't think Hunter Biden should have the charges he has because the second amendment forbids gun possession laws and I am certainly no fan of his.

[msc545]

So as I understand it correctly, your position is that he never should have been tried because you and others believed he had not done anything wrong, and therefore to try him was a due process violation? Do I have it right?

[Snakeyes7]

No. I am saying that Trump needs to be accused of a crime before the trial even begins so that he knows what he is in for. That NY justice system just found the situation between Trump and his lawyer strange and orange man is bad so there must be another crime taking place so they held a trial to see what that other crime was because just charging him with falsified business documents would just be a fine, they want him in prison.

Not only did they not find anything else, but they also found straight from the lawyer's mouth that he was the one who falsified the documents as he got the money Trump was accused of using to pay off Stormy through a false invoice. Trump paid it without thinking, and the lawyer used it to pay off Stormy when Trump didn't ask him to. If anyone would be the one going to prison it would be the lawyer, but the court decided to charge Trump with the falsified business documents charge which they upgraded to a felony to make sure they can send him to prison.

Given my understanding of the situation, that is why I think that the conviction was phony and was received from a textbook kangaroo court.

[Dargil]

Watch him evade it.

[seeyounexttuesday]

lol, no he won’t.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Called it. So he is not a convicted felon without a sentence.

[msc545]

Yes, he is still a convicted felon unless his convictions are overturned. They might be.

[seeyounexttuesday]

They will be. Because every rational person knows the charges were nonsense.

[msc545]

Nonsense is not a legal term. It also is not a legal reason for nullifying a conviction which is really what this is all about.

[msc545]

Latest information that I have is that the sentencing will simply be delayed until he has served his term as president. In other words, we don't expect to see anything for at least another 4 years.

[seeyounexttuesday]

lol. it will be forgotten about in a month

[msc545]

Not by him it won't.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Do you blame him? If you were railroaded on a bullshit felony charge over misdemeanors that are past the statute of limitations by your political rivals so they can kick you off the ballot, you’d be a little ticked.

[msc545]

Yeah keep ignoring facts. These are felonies not misdemeanors and when he committed them it was not past any statue of a limitation.

Stop lying. When you people lie like this, do you honestly think that anybody believes you? The only people that believe you are other by lying constantly and and repeatedly as you do all you managed to accomplish is to convince everyone that everything you say is a lie.

[seeyounexttuesday]

The accounting errors are misdemeanors. The nonsense made up were felonies. It nice try.

[zombiewoof]

Exactly