If abortion is 100% a woman's choice, why are men 100% to blame if they coerced the woman to abort her baby?

[Anonymous]

we've all heard the phrase "My Body, My Choice" meaning the decision is 100% that of the woman

but for some reason...

let's just say a woman didn't want to abort but wanted to keep the baby

but the man tries to convince her to abort, offers to pay for the abortion or just flat-out runs away from his responsibility in which the woman ultimately does abort the baby

yet he's not the one who pulled the trigger on deleting the baby

so, why is he 100% to blame for the abortion?

I don't know. I just love my double standards. Men have to be blamed for something

Abortion is 100% a woman's choice and 100% a woman's fault with or without a man involved

I don't believe in abortions at all

[Syntosi]

... Because its 100% the womans choice? If you force the choice or take it away from them then you are violating their human rights. I dont even understand what you are trying to argue here quite frankly.

[Asker]

should a man take any blame if she claims he coerced her into abortion since it's 100% a woman's choice?

[Syntosi]

That is a personal decision, or a legal one if you go to the court. Point is that the right to choice for women comes from a fundamental human right. Coercing someone or forcing someone to break their own human rights is highly fucking illegal and very serious.

[Asker]

there's no forcing going on. I'm referring to trying to convince someone to do something

[Syntosi]

At what point does trying to convince someone become coercing?

[Asker]

you tell me because a lot of women claim they only had abortions because their man "made" them

[Syntosi]

That is a legal issue. It is the court that gets to decide what ultimately is coercion and not.

[Asker]

courts can decide all they want. doesn't change the fact women were the ones to pull the trigger. is abortion 100% a woman's choice or do men get blamed for that?

[Syntosi]

If they are coerced then its 100% the mans fault.

[Asker]

how is it 100% the man's fault for the abortion if abortion is 100% a woman's choice? why is 100% of the accountability on him but not her?

[Syntosi]

Because coercion is about violating someones choice.

[Asker]

coercion doesn't make the choice for you. you make your own choices

[Syntosi]

Look up the word in a dictionary.

[Asker]

I did and it changes nothing in regards to choice

so, is it then 100% the man's choice and therefore 100% his fault or is it 100% the woman's choice and therefore 100% her fault?

[Syntosi]

Withdrawing money from your bank is 100% your choice but a robber can coerce you to withdraw the money with a knife or a gun.

[Asker]

sure they can but the robber didn't withdraw the money

would you give a pass to IDF soldiers who shoot up Palestinian kids because their superiors told them to do so?

what would you to those who lost their jobs for refusing to take the COVID-19 jab? is it their fault?

[Syntosi]

So its not the fault of the robber who coerced you into withdrawing your money? Good to know.

[Asker]

he doesn't have my details. only I do

if an assassin threatened you at gunpoint to press a button that would launch every single nuke around the world, would you do it?

[Syntosi]

Good to know that muggings does not exist. After all, if you hand over your stuff then you are doing it out of your own free will which is not illegal.

[Asker]

except they do. they may not be at fault for withdrawing the money but they're at fault by pointing a knife at me

but it's good to know you don't believe in personal responsibility whatsoever

[Syntosi]

There is already a crime for pointing weapons at people and it is not mugging. Threatening someone with a weapon is completely different.

[Asker]

yes I know and they are responsible for pointing that weapon at me and I'm still the one who withdrew the money

[Syntosi]

Which means that armed robbery does not exist and is not a crime by your definition.

[Asker]

how does it not exist? does pointing a weapon at someone not exist?

[Syntosi]

According to you that is just a personal threat using a firearm. There is a law against that. But since you think that it would be your own will to hand over valuables to a robber then that is not a crime. Unless you think that anytime you give someone a gift then they are performing robbery on you which is funny to think about.

[Asker]

the crime is literally pointing a weapon at someone. what's so confusing about that?

is someone pointing a weapon at me anytime I give them a gift?

[Syntosi]

Yes, threatening someone with a gun is a crime already, we have established this. The fact that you appear to be confused on is if its a crime for them to demand that you hand over your money or if that is an action that you are doing freely without outside coercion.

[Asker]

you do realize everyone has a mind of their own, right?

if someone pointed a gun at a family member of yours to rape another family member of yours, would you forgive the family member who did the raping while having the gun pointed at them?

[Syntosi]

Forgive? What has forgiveness and emotions to do with any of this?

You simply dont get it do you?

[Asker]

do you have a mind of your own or not?

[Syntosi]

Yes I do. That does not mean you can sway my mind with flawed arguments, emotions or reasoning though.

[Asker]

yet you can be swayed by a knife being pointed at you

[Syntosi]

can't you?

[Asker]

nope. everyone is responsible for their own actions

[Syntosi]

So if someone threatened you or your children as an example then you would accept the consequences rather than hand over some money? Wow.. You do know that you can probably just reclaim the money through insurance or lawsuits right?

[Asker]

it is still my actions at the end of the day. I don't know what's so hard to understand about this?

that doesn't mean they get away with their actions

[Syntosi]

And again, this is just you re-affirming that you dont believe robbery is an actual crime or even physically possible.

[Asker]

if you take something from a store without paying for it you are engaging in robbery which are your actions. why are you denying this?

[Syntosi]

That is theft, not robbery.

[Asker]

both come under stealing which you are responsible for

[molonski2]

Great question , the entire situation is completely ridiculous.

[Agape93]

If you manipulated or threatened someone to do something they don't want, it's on you

[Asker]

so, if an OF model got one of her simps to give away all his life savings to her, it's her fault?

[Agape93]

Yeap

[Asker]

should there be consequences? and what should they be?

[Agape93]

Depends on what happened and if it would even be a crime

[Asker]

what circumstances would you say deem it a crime and what should the consequences be?

[Agape93]

Again it depends

[Asker]

make up a scenario that would constitute it being a crime

[Agape93]

A man or woman coerced another into sex. Legally that's considered rape.

[OneViewpoint]

Not every immoral or unethical act is a crime under US laws. Does that make it OK? Maybe it's not punishable. The guy is still a piece of shit if he's willing to fuck up a woman's life by first getting her pregnant and then coercing her into getting an abortion she may regret for the rest of her life. That's not a guy I'd want anything to do with.

[Asker]

I was referring to the OF

[Asker]

@agape I was referring to the OF model and her simp. what events would constitute it being a crime?

[Asker]

@OneViewpoint so who's fault is it for the abortion?

[Agape93]

Maybe fraud or coercion

[Asker]

@agape93 so who's fault is it then for the abortion?

[Agape93]

I already answered that

[Asker]

it's the man's fault, right?

[Agape93]

Read what was said already. Ffs

[Asker]

I did and it's the man's fault according to you

[Agape93]

Then don't ask stupid questions

[Asker]

it's only a stupid question according to you when you can't find a loophole to exploit

[MzAsh]

Coercive tactics are a fault.

[Asker]

so, if an OF model got one of her simps to give away all his life savings to her, it's her fault?

if a driver runs a red light because the passenger told them to do so, is it the passenger's fault?

[MzAsh]

If they did it coercively, absolutely

[Asker]

in the case of the driver and passenger, who should a cop give a fine to?

[SmokinAces2000]

Who said that they were?

[Asker]

you can find comments on Reddit and other social media from users putting the blame on men

[SmokinAces2000]

Key words “Reddit” “social media” go outside

[Asker]

nothing changes. people in public put up fake personas and keep their true selves and thoughts anonymous online