Trans rights activists. What are they fighting for? What rights dont trans have compared to everyone else?

[Gwendoline]

[abc3643]

Well, all sorts. A transgender person perceives themselves as a different gender than what they were born as. Unfortunately, often, society can't deal with that. Bathrooms are an example...

And, I will give an example from personal experience...

Before COVID-19, I used to work in an office building that had two or three businesses on our floor. There was a small men's room and a small woman's room on the floor. Often, I'd take a piss in the men's room and a person from a different company would walk in. That person would head to a toilet stall or come from a stall. It was clear to me that this person was a F2M transgender. This person clearly dressed as a male and downplayed whatever female attributes this person had. However, it was clear that this person had female qualities - rather short and round (like with boobs and a bigger ass). I didn't care. When you gotta go, you gotta go.

But some people might be uptight about that. Especially when the transgender is a M2F transgender. There are three reasons for this:
1. Just open hostility towards anyone who is LGBTQ+ and rejecting that there are people who are not just cis-gendered males and females.
2. Women's rooms are a form of safe space for women from men. Women can feel more relaxed and themselves among women. So, a man - even an M2F transgender - is like an "elephant in the room". It doesn't matter what your politics are; at an instinctive level, many people react to a transgender as if the transgender is their birth sex.
3. Many people worry about male sexual predators pretending to be M2F transgender to get into a woman's bathroom and find victims... especially if the M2F is an aduilt (which they usually are) and there are girls in the woman's room.

So, for these reasons, some jurisdictions outlaw transgenders from using public bathrooms that are not for their birth gender. For many transgenders, this upsets them considerably because it is society telling them they are not who they feel they are. Furthermore, immediately, it can be problematic for the transgender entering the bathroom of their birth sex.

For example, I've known a person for almost 25 years who is now a M2F transgender known at Alyssa but whom I first knew as Chad until several years ago. I still think of this person as "Chad" and want to speak or refer to this person as if Alyssa were still Chad - a male. Since Trump was elected Alyssa moved with Alyssa's cis-gendered French Candian wife to Ottawa Canada from the Boston area. (Chad (not Alyssa) married and had two kids before he transitioned. They are still married.) Now, Alyssa has for years been serious about the transition including having testicles removed and having surgeries to look more feminine. Yet, Alyssa still looks a lot like Chad - a tall guy who is now dressed in drag. So, imagine Alyssa, dressed in skirt and makeup being forced to use a men's room to go to the bathroom. Imagine the discomfort Alyssa is going to feel being stared at. Imagine the discomfort the other men are going to feel too.

Now, I am not going to say that if Alyssa went to a women's bathroom that women aren't going to feel discomfort either. But, at least if Alyssa can use the women's bathroom, that's one less person feeling discomfort.

I am not going to talk about athletics, but I will let South Park have a say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

[Lliam]

For trans-women to be considered "women" under the law and for trans-men to be considered "men" under the law.
To have the right to bring charges against people who don't treat them as their preferred gender.

I am strongly opposed to all of that. Men are men and women are women. Trans-women are men and trans-men are women. Period.

Check out this question
UK Supreme Court rules that men who identify as transgender are not women. Return to sanity?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Getting medical care for their transitions has been taken away in many states which is not something non trans people deal with.

Bathroom bans.

Schools being forced to out trans students.

Being gendered correctly in schools which is not something non trans people have to worry about.

Those who have to go to jail are being sent to prisons that do not correlate with their selected gender which puts them at significant risk of danger especially those who have been transitioning for years or already had their surgeries done.

Being able to serve in the military.

Removing protections for discrimination in education, housing and immigration.

Their are currently over 500 bills in this country that specifically target transgender rights.

All this was easily researched.

[Gwendoline]

●Bathroom bans?

Nobody is allowed to use bathrooms of the opposite gender.

Being gendered correctly in schools?
They are being gendered properly if they are gendered by what is in their birth cert.

●Those who have to go to jail are being sent to prisons that do not correlate with their selected gender which puts them at significant risk of danger especially those who have been transitioning for years or already had their surgeries done?

They did this already and the result was female prisoners being brutally raped and beaten by trans women and of course no transman will ever choose to go to a male prison for obvious reasons. Is that not common sense?

●Being able to serve in the military?

You know I am not able to serve in the military because I don't make the minimum height requirement. Like many trans I am unable to meet the physical requirements required to serve. I knew a trans woman after her operation, she had so many medical problems that she would not be able to serve.

Removing protections for discrimination in education, housing and immigration?

Do anyone else get these protections or are trans people being treated equally like everyone else?

●Schools being forced to out trans students?
In what way are schools outting them?

●Their are currently over 500 bills in this country that specifically target transgender rights?

Do these 500 bills aim to persecute transgenders or treat them equally like everyone else without special treatment?

What rights dont trans have compared to everyone else?
Are they fighting for special treatment?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

> Wrong. There have been no laws passed prior to recently that prevented this for trans people. In fact, in some cases, it's nearly impossible to tell some of them have transitioned. Now, lawmakers in republican states want law enforcement to be the genital police. Even no traditional cis women are being dragged into this if they don't look feminine enough.

> Again, wrong. If they don't identify as their sex at birth, then they are being misgendered. Sex is not the same as gender.

> The alternative is for trans women to go male prisons and be raped and beaten instead?

> You weren't excluded based on your gender. You didn't meet a physical requirement. I had the same issue when I wanted to enlist because of an injury I suffered in high school. And just because you knew one transwoman who couldn't serve doesn't mean ALL can't serve. There were many trans members serving their country until they were discharged solely because they were trans.

>Really? Up until the removal of gender identity, they were included as those protected due to race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors. Are those "special" rights, too?

>Schools are being forced to out their students who identify as trans whether it be a request for a name swap, pronoun change, or other factors. Again, this is going to drag cis children into it if they don't dress and look accordingly in the eyes of the school.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

> Yes, of course, they are aimed to persecute trans people simply on the fact they are trans. From denying medical services for minors and, in some states, adults. There were less than 10 trans athletes in college. Those bills are targeting trans athletes. Again, bathroom bills. Government protections such as not being able to surveillance them. They removed protections from them to be fired from their jobs just because they are trans.

Again, all of this could be researched if you would take the time to do it instead of believing they are asking for special rights when all they want is to be treated equally as the gender they identify as and for being trans in general.

[Gwendoline]

Sounds like from what you've said that they are being treated the same as everyone else under the law without special privileges.
Denying medical services? They are getting the same access to medical services as everyone else.
They've the same protections from wrongful dismissal as everyone else does.
The problems trans have is related to their surgery which precludes them from military service. Problems with their immune systems, Problems related to hormones therapy, Problems related to respiratory and heart problems as well as mental health problems.
As for sports. A minority of trans competed yet that minority dominated with performances comparable to most male low ranked athlete. Imagine if Mike tyson decided to compete in women's boxing

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I'm sorry but I won't be able to agree with you here. They clearly are not getting equal protections which I've already laid out. You're free to believe what you'd like though.

[Gwendoline]

The same protections as everyone else and no special treatment

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Not being able to serve strictly because they are trans is not a protection. It's the same bullshit they tried to pull years ago with gay members.

Being able to discriminate against trans members in the workplace and in buying homes is not protections. You and I get to enjoy those protections because they can't discriminate based on sex. Sexual identity is no longer protected.

You are being willfully ignorant if you believe this is equal treatment

[Gwendoline]

They aren't able to serve because they can't meet the physical requirements. I mean you can serve if you have bad teeth or flat feet either

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

If they can't serve then why were there already trans members in the military serving just fine under the previous administration?

[Gwendoline]

But are they serving or just collecting a pay cheque?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Serving

[Cormac995]

1. I suppose I could see that from their perspective.

2. Bathroom rights are a no you should never get those it's wrong. You're right to feel comfortable isn't more important than a straight womans right to feel comfortable. If a woman is going to the bathroom and she hears a man's voice she's going to feel unsafe and vulnerable. Bathroom rights for trans people is BS and there have been multiple rapes due to people pretending to be trans to get access to those facilities.

3. Parents need to know important details about their kids for their child's wellbeing. I'm not saying there aren't going to be cases where it backfires and results in problems from bigot parents but things like this are important for parents to know to make sure they understand and can properly care for their child.

[Cormac995]

4. Being gendered correctly is just BS in most cases. If you look like a guy, I'm going to assume you're a guy if you look like a girl, I'm going to assume you're a girl. Further you don't have the right to tell others how to speak and boss them around just so you feel more comfortable. You don't get to violate someone else's rights just to make yourself feel better.

5. There have already been multiple rapes in womans prisons from people that were trans or pretending to be. This is a no and straight up wrong just like that bathroom thing. I don't care if you're uncomfortable if you're in prison that's the point.

6. Military service again is a no. Hormone therapy and elective transition surgeries result in your body being less effective in combat. Joining the military is not a right for anyone and it never has been. They get to pick, and they say no trans because it causes medical problems as well as supply chain issues with their special meds. Further trans people have an extremely high suicide rate which is shit military material. They're right to ban trans people from the military just like bathrooms and prisons. The military doesn't conform to you, you conform to the military, and it has always been that way since the day it was founded because it's common sense.

7. Fair discrimination under those circumstances is a rights violation I agree. Everyone has the right to housing, education and immigration as long as it's all done legally.

8. Some of those bills I agree with others I don't. It's a case-by-case thing. If you're advocating for underage kids to get transition surgeries, I'm sorry but you've lost the plot. If you haven't gone through puberty, you don't know what sexuality even is yet. It should be required by law that you be 18 to qualify for the surgeries by then you're a legal adult and it's purely up to you since you're now a full independent citizen.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

> bathroom access; so it'd any better if you hear a female voice from a transwoman in the bathroom from someone who looks absolutely like a female? You talk about rapes by sexual predator cis males, not taking two things into account. One, that's not a trans issue. That's a cis male issue. Two, you put transwomen in danger by making them use the men's bathroom. Using your points against you here, you said yourself their strength and effectiveness go down so they are more at risk of violence or being raped. You also forget transgender men who will be forced to use women's bathrooms who also have male voices. You can't have it both ways.

>If a child felt safe enough to talk to their parents, then they would. In a lot of cases, these children face violence, rejection, forced detransition, and face being homeless. It should not be up to schools to out children like that. That's a parents job to figure it out.

> Being gendered is BS? So if I call you ma'am for the rest of this post, you'll be ok with that? There are lots of people who are cis male/female who don't look traditional. Take butch females, for example. They are still women but have decidedly more masculine looks in a lot of cases. Nobody is dictating you to do anything, but you also don't have to be a dick about it either.

>so, the solution is to let them be raped instead? Seriously?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

> Not being able to do military service is straight up bs. There were a good number of trans members in the military. You seem to be confusing the front line from support staff. You don't need to be able to lift a truck if you are a trans doctor or clerk. What medical problems do you think arise aside from going through puberty a second time? The high suicide rate is from those who have been forcibly detransitioned or are terrified of parental conduct after they come out. Those who have transitioned are in a much better mindset and commit suicide at a much lower rate than the general population.

> Exactly. Everyone should be treated equally.

> Most kids will never experience surgery, nor would I advocate for it. They should be allowed to go through social transitioning though. A new name, grow/cut their hair, new pronouns. All good with me. Even puberty blockers are fine in my opinion.

[Cormac995]

Whiny nonsensical bullshit overly emotional posts like this are why people think trans people are nuts and pushing back against it. You're telling them to deny common sense and basic facts to make you comfortable. 90% who say their trans are fucking full of it too because they say they're trans but don't plan to transition so they're just empty words.

If you're trans that means you are uncomfortable in your natural born skin and want to transition from one gender to the other. You know how I know most trans people just want attention? Because they identify as "Trans" not a man or a woman.

Trans isn't a sexuality it's the state between them there's a difference. If you say you "Identify as trans" than by the definition of the word you're not because you're not Identifying as the other sex you're identifying as trans! If you're a man and you're trans you identify as a woman. If you're a woman and your trans you identify as a man. If you identify as trans, you're not trans because trans isn't a gender, it's the state between them.

Saying things like kids should be able to engage in things like this is sick and messed up. Do you know how many serial killers got made out of treating boys like woman in their youth? I haven't met a single trans person in my life that wasn't a mentally ill narcissist and believe it or not for a long time I used to be on the side of their movement, but people like you have convinced me you're mentally ill not oppressed and BS responses like this are why.

[Cormac995]

Also, with your rape argument you're not dismissing the fact that woman can be raped because of this you're just pointing out that trans people could be raped too. News flash anyone can be raped and like I said multiple women have already been raped because of this nonsense then in that case yea I'm fine with it. Less than.95% of the population is trans 49.75% of the population is woman. From a basic math perspective if we let trans people in womans prisons more woman would be raped than trans people would be by inverse so from a matter perspective I'm, willing to accept 1 trans person will be raped instead of 10 women.

We have a flawed system because humans are awful it's about mitigation and prevention you're never going to stop it completely. Further this still doesn't take away the root issue. To get these rights for trans people you're taking rights away from others and that's wrong. If you want trans only prisons and bathrooms that's fine but you don't get special treatment and rights at the expense of others to calm down your temper tantrums.

The only good thing coming out of the trump presidency is some lines in the sand are being drawn about this lack of basic common sense I just hope they don't get to go too far and start a fucking concentration camp for homosexuals and trans people. People like you with takes like this is one of the biggest reasons trump won because your movement has been so loud stupid vile and nasty you've made everyone hate you and everything you stand for and trump promised to shut you all up.

You pushed it too hard too far too violently and now society is pushing back against you twice as hard because that's what always happens with these things without fail. It has happened every single time in human history.

[Cormac995]

There has also been a disturbing number of people who identify as trans becoming pedo's or sex offenders as well for how small the demographic is and after meeting and talking with many trans people my mind has been changed from supporting you're group to thinking y'all are mentally ill and need medical help and therapy not a sex change.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

> most of them identify as "trans" because if they don't come out as such they get assaulted or killed. Heck they may even be assaulted or killed anyway if they don't pass. Thankfully my friend does quite well or I'd be more worried for her. Also your 90% stat was just pulled out of your ass. The actual number is 3% that never end up transitioning.

> i seriously doubt you were ever on the side of trans people or even for anyone in the lgbt movement for that matter with how you speak about them.

> and who is going to pay for these trans only bathrooms and prisons? Think logically.

> this idea there is a large number of pedos that are trans is a pathetic lie. You want the real pedos, look at the church and republican men.

> by the way nobody is forcing children to be trans. They either are or they are not. If they are then they go to therapy and if they all agree it's best for the child then social transitioning helps keep them from committing suicide. You seem to be on the side of letting children die and that's scary.

[Gwendoline]

Does transitioning help trans people from committing suicide and how are they denied medical care?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Yes it does and I'm sure you could research this one yourself but I can give a link.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

www.acponline.org/.../attacks-on-gender-affirming-and-transgender-health-care

[MadhuriDixit]

Same applies for feminists fighting for "women's rights". I've never seen feminists fight for the equal right to be forced for military selective service that men have.

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

I think we gotta draw a line at unisex or binary (based on sex). I kinda like the unisex idea. We fight as one, women and men. No more protect the women and children! Just children. And it's not a big deal if a man delivers a haymaker to a woman's face. Just walk it off, put some ice on it, like we guys do. True equality, you know. Or maybe go back a lot and we can do tradwives.

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

And no more sex segregation in prisons. Men and women together -- not just men here and women there. Might have lots of rape but at least it might bear kids -- we a TFR problem now in developed nations and maybe prisoners can make babies.

[Gwendoline]

They put transwomen into women's prisons. Women were badly assaulted and raped. No transmen want to go to men's prison, why is that?

[goaded]

The 99.99% of trans people who are not athletes. Leave the sports things to their governing bodies, it doesn't need laws.

Also, laws that let strangers examine your children's genitalia, don't you think that's sick?

Have you ever seen any stranger's genitalia in a bathroom? I haven't. But I've never really tried.

The bloody stupid decision in the UK takes us back years. There have always been ways to get rid of people who are disruptive or dangerous in all environments, including single sex ones. Cis women should flood TERF meetings and sing songs or something; by TERF logic, there's no way they can be asked to leave.

[goaded]

F*ck. Wrong picture!

[slatyb]

To be legally recognized as their preferred gender, to be able to use public restrooms matching their gender, to not be discriminated against in housing, employment, public accommodation.

The women's sports thing is a tiny issue -- there are very few transgender athletes. My sympathy lies with the XX females.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You can be deluded and think you're a woman. The rest of society is not required to indulge that delusion.

[Gwendoline]

What about the women's prison issue. They've put transwomen into women's prison and the female prisoners have been badly assaulted and even raped?
Of course no transman wants to go to a men's prison or compete in men's sport, they'd rather be in women's prison and women's sports, why is that?

[oldpigg]

Mainly because women should not have any privileges over men, they should not have exclusive categories in sports, nor should they have exclusive bathrooms, nor should they be exempt from military service, and they should not have exclusive prisons.

[NaultD]

Common decency. The trans athlete is a complete smokescreen distraction 1% of 1% of another 1% on a privilege actively.

[MrChinaski]

I do not want to speak on behalf of trans, but I think they just want the same respect cisgender people receive.

[jshm2]

LOL, it's like men want to lord it over women sports by becoming "women" and women think they will get some "equality" by transitioning to "men".

Both deserve to be laughed out, tbh.

[genericname85]

they're fighting windmills. they are trying to enact minority dictatorship on behalf of non existent people. like people who are actually trans don't care about this shit. it's mostly narcissists and/or pedofiles and/or attention seekers and/or political oppressors and/or bullies who use that disembodied minority group to push their agendas.

[seeyounexttuesday]

They want to wave their dicks in front of women in changing rooms, beat them at sports, and mutilate children. Those are the 'rights" they claim are taken away from them.

[OneViewpoint]

I think it's less about legal rights and more about acceptance and respect. Unfortunately for them, those are things that can't be legislated by government.

[Joshydavid25]

They don't want "rights", they want privileges and special treatment..

[FunkyMonkee]

I guess, the right to compete with other women.

[Anonymous]

Seems like it would be easier if they just added a new category called "biological womens" sports
They could still have the old category but now there would be a third category.

[David318578]

No it would be easier if morons where not making stupid decisions like this. A woman is an adult human female. A man with fake tits and lipstick does not fit that definition and never will.

[Opinion Owner]

This would have ended a long time ago if the women refused to compete.

[Professor-college]

There should be a separate Category for trans women professional sports to solve these unfair participations against women

[Luopio27]

Yes and a 4th category, open where men get to compete with women.

[beefcakebradybatson]

To live without being accosted, even slain by violent homophobes.(Transgender women are murdered at the rate of AT LEAST 20 times their percentage of the population).

[WhiteBoyChill]

People just want to be victims and feel like they’re special.

That’s really it.

[Anonymous]

The right to make women uncomfortable , that’s all I can think of.

[DrPepper12]

Right to be left alone would be a start

[Gwendoline]

Really. Where i grew up there was a trans storybook time where a man dressed up as I don't know what and was wearing a strap on.

[sage2021]

I wondered that myself.

[Irritatedyet]

I have wondered this myself.

[chocolatetwopointo]

trans people get killed simply for being trans.

[Gwendoline]

Who is killing them other than themselves and Muslims?

[chocolatetwopointo]

www.theguardian.com/.../brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder

why are you so fucking racist?

[Gwendoline]

www.google.com/.../a-63072671
Not racism. What happens to LGBTQ people in Muslim countries? You think there are pride parades in Iran?

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah they’re killed bc its illegal there, and im pretty sure thats the taliban not muslims, so yes ur veryy racist.

[Gwendoline]

It's gaza too. If you are lgbtq in gaza they drag you behind motorcycles in the streets

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah ik

[Anonymous]

They want extra rights that nobody has.

[blackeagle007]

Agreed with this

[Anonymous]

Plenty of things #fuktrump

[jimmy2]

Trans has no rights