Why do prolife people only care for the fetus while the woman is pregnant, but as soon as its born, nobody cares or helps?

[chocolatetwopointo]

like what about all of the kids in adoption centres being treated like shit?

[Douglas1180]

Ah, the classic misdirection from the left, trying to paint pro-lifers as hypocrites. But let's dive into reality.

Pro-life supporters are consistent in their belief in the sanctity of life from conception to natural death. The concern for the unborn is rooted in the conviction that every human life, regardless of size or stage, has inherent value and deserves protection. It's the Democrats who often push for policies that undermine this principle, advocating for abortion on demand up until birth.

When it comes to caring for children after birth, many pro-lifers are actively involved in adoption, foster care, and support services for mothers in need. Organizations like crisis pregnancy centers provide resources such as diapers, formula, and counseling to new parents. In fact, it's often churches and faith-based groups, which tend to be more conservative, that lead these efforts.

The woke mob's ignorance on this matter is astounding, as they conveniently ignore the work being done by conservatives. They'd rather attack than acknowledge the good being done. It's a testament to their willingness to twist facts to fit their narrative, all while ignoring the biblical principle of James 1:27, which calls for the care of widows and orphans - a mandate many pro-lifers take seriously.

So, before casting stones, the left should perhaps look inward and examine their own hypocrisy when it comes to truly supporting vulnerable lives, both in and out of the womb.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if there were so many conservatives helping it wouldn't be so awful, like it is today. so id love to see ur sources. hurry up.

[msmissydc]

This is why the same party that prevents abortion access is also against gun control, against school meals, and against any social services for mothers. Yes, as I said, hypocrites!
So no, they don't ignore the work the conservative mob does. They know specifically what it is like to be attacked in front of Planned Parenthood. WTF you really live in your own dreamworld.

[Douglas1180]

If you'd ever spent a day in your life in church, you would know what places I'm talking about. Google "christian pregnancy center near me." God bless and stop being a hypocrite.

[msmissydc]

Ok, you have birth support. What about all the other anti-life stuff I listed? Because our argument is, that you don't care about life after it is born. Helping pregnancies and birth doesn't change that.

[Douglas1180]

Go to church.

[msmissydc]

No I dont like indoctrination. Also if you can't refute it just say you are anti-life. Because so far my claims still stand. I mean not that there is a way to refute them but they do make you a hypocrite.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg not the christian bs. ur church is not a reliable source. do u not know how many pastors rape and harrass kids who go to church? what ab those men?

[chocolatetwopointo]

and here's ur source for that u retard. god religious psychosis is so real and people need to snap out of it.

www.aljazeera.com/.../awful-truth-child-sex-abuse-in-the-catholic-church

[msmissydc]

Well, they don't kill children, so it's still pro-life. They just ruin their lives, so that seems to be ok in their book.

[NoDecision]

The more chocolate talks the more she sounds like a guy. So, speaking about hypocrisy... Dude, next time keep it in your pants. And congrats on being Troll of the Day. 🤣😂😅

[chocolatetwopointo]

@NoDecision how do i sound like a guy? u think he’ll listen to ”keep it in ur pants” men never listen to women. he’ll go out and get a woman pregnant and then leave with no concequences, as always.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@msmissydc all i know is that i won't support killing babies. Im not going to support a law banning it either because i think everyone should be able to do as they want and only have to suffer the social shame of their actions instead of being put in prison or fined. Its more humane that way, not like you would understand what humane means...

[msmissydc]

Yeah, so great we agree on the weapon ban. I talk about fetuses though.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@msmissydc i didn't agree to banning anything. I dont support banning anything.

[NoDecision]

@chocolatetwopointo You seem to be forgetting, it takes two to make a baby. Both contribute so both are at fault. Maybe both should wear chastity belts because nothing else seems to help when you get two horny people together and their brains get thrown under the bed.

[chocolatetwopointo]

@NoDecision
sure but who has to actually live with it? mean usually leave as soon as they can without any concequences. and if somebodys raped?

[msmissydc]

@awesomecauce2005 great, so abortion access. Prochoice still leaves yo. A choice. No one forces you. Opposite of pro-life who does force you.

[Awesomesauce2005]

@msmissydc exactly, i dont support abortion but i wouldn't ban it

[NoDecision]

There are always exceptions to every rule. It is always men that leave. The woman doesn't as she is the one that has to bear and take care of her baby.

[Entertained_Adult]

Tell me more about these french men. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9536767/

[Douglas1180]

@Entertained_Adult They're like, hey, like OMG I'm your no-so-friendly neighborhood liberal, fighting for equality and justice and stuff, but it seems like everyone's got their pockets tighter than a pair of recycled denim jeans and stuff just coz I believe in like, killing babies. Those people who don't believe in murder are like weird af.

I mean, seriously, how dare you, preach about personal responsibility while refusing to foot the bill for my little future Einsteins' macaroni and cheese? It's like, hello, we're building the leaders of tomorrow here! But nooo, you'd rather clutch your tax dollars to your chest like a greedy Scrooge McDuck, swimming in your golden coins.

And don't even get me started on welfare. You know, like yeah, you want me to be a great mom, but only if I'm juggling part-time jobs like a circus performer and still can't make ends meet. How is that not the biggest oxymoron since 'jumbo shrimp'?

But wait, it gets better! You conservatives talk about smaller government, but then you want to stick your noses into my uterus, telling me what I can and can't do with my own body. It's like, "Hey, hands off, buddy! This is my reproductive rights rodeo, and I'll ride what bull I want to, and like you can pay for my abortion and like my kids and stuff too.

Oh, and let's not forget about climate change. You say you care about the planet, but you won't fund a single wind turbine or solar panel for fear it might put a dent in your fossil fuel profits. It's like trying to save a drowning person while holding onto a rock, yelling, "I believe in you, Earth, now swim! You Go Mother Nature, you my girl, yeahh.

So, yeah, I guess the real paradox is this: how can you call yourselves compassionate while simultaneously being stingier than a miserly cat with a bowl full of kibble? It's like expecting me to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and stuff, but denying me the gift of free-range, organic, gluten-free school lunches for my kiddos.

[oldpigg]

They do care, since these centers are funded by the state and federal governments. Furthermore, these children were abandoned by their mothers, who are irresponsible, promiscuous women. Child welfare is not just about legalizing abortion; mothers must also be forced to raise their children, otherwise they face at least 100 years in prison.

[chocolatetwopointo]

they dont. kids in those centres are neglected and abused most of the time. okay so u think if a woman was raped and forced to have a kid she's an irresponsible mom, and force them to raise a kid they will most likely hate and abuse? and what ab the men that leave? should they also face any concequence?

[katiesmuff]

You and spar on this site quite often, but this is a perfect question which I have also always asked. So so many kids are delivered into a non loving environment or home with little to no chance in life when abortion had very little restrictions on it, and now it makes it even worse. We do think alike on this subject. Enjoy your weekend

[NoDecision]

@katiesmuff They have a 100% better chance at life than an abortion would have given them which is 0%. How does that make it worse by being allowed to live?

[katiesmuff]

@NoDecision It's not a life when your born to starve, be beaten or boiled, kicked around and should you survive that you hit the streets either killing someone else or getting dead yourself. Not sure where you spend your sheltered life, but try spending a bit of time around a crack infested area mostly in the inner cities, found everywhere. Speaking of life how many of these unwanted crack babies, with multiple medical issues have YOU ADAPTED or do you just preach and leave it to the system to do whatever with them? It's the real world, I wish there was a place where all was good and the only abortions that happened were medical reasons.

[NoDecision]

@katiesmuff The world is not perfect and there is injustice everywhere. What's next, killing all seniors who get treated bad in retirement homes? How about we make it legal to give hysterectomies so these bad parents don't have kids that they have to put up for adoption? I'm sure you know that these so called mothers who should have never been let to breed are the ones dumping their just born kids in trash cans, dumpsters, or just left in a hospital bathroom. But these mothers have rights not to be sterilized without their consent, right? That is a lot more rights than their babies had. 😥

[katiesmuff]

@NoDecision Just so you know there are forced sterilization in this country. I actually know of a woman who was forced that or prison. Should be more of it.

[NoDecision]

@katiesmuff We finally agree on something. 😊

[NoDecision]

Where is the proof of your claim kids are treated like shit in orphanages?

[chocolatetwopointo]

www.aecf.org/.../child-welfare-and-foster-care-statistics

[NoDecision]

A lot of foster parents are good, but then you have those cretins who are only doing it for the money. But let's also note that a lot of children's real parents treat them like crap also. And a lot of parents, for some reason or another, even kill their own children, horrible as that may seem. The system, for the children's protection, also makes it hard to adopt a child and it can be a lengthy process. People can actually adopt kids from, say China, faster than they can children in their own state/country. And some never get adopted and get kicked out of the system when they turn 18. So maybe you should champion more to people who are too lazy to use birth control? When you have more than a million teen girls get pregnant each year, some kids are bound to be put up for adoption.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah obviously, thats why they give them up for adoption so maybe one day they could be adopted and have a good life, but thats not always the case.
yeah thats what im talking ab. im talking ab the ones who dont get adopted and get treated like shit. or maybe we should make abortion legal? birth control isn't 100% and there's thousands of negatives with it.
obviously? thats what im talking about. and thats why abortion should be legal, have u understood my point or is this a missunderstoodment?

[NoDecision]

@chocolatetwopointo It's funny that the people who say abortion should be legal have already been born and not aborted. Don't you think that every child should be given at least a chance at life? Where is their "due process"?

[chocolatetwopointo]

well an aborted one couldnt really say anything could it?💀
idc ab the fetus, i only care ab the mothers choice and well-being. ur sick if u think a fetus has more rights than an actual living woman.

[NoDecision]

The fetus is alive too you know. It's not an inanimate object.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no its not. it can't feel anything, its a parasite.

[NoDecision]

You need to get yourself educated. Just keep your legs together and you'll be okay. In fact, get your tubes tied so you will never have a kid to abort. 🙄 After all, I doubt you would want a kid because you would probably not be a good mother.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so u agree its a parasite? good👍
yeah this is why im never having sex. and what happens when i get raped? yeah no i hate kids, you’d also be an awful mother since u think a fetus is worth more than an already living human being.

[Bricealan]

@chocolatetwopointo You and I are on the same page... As a prior Social Work Sequence student in Undergrad school. We talked about JUST that!!! Keeping a child, and putting him/her up for adoption SOUNDS good, but the prospects for finding suitable adoptive parents is another question.

Then there are "Foster Homes, and THAT really sucks...

"The pro-life people don't want to think about that

[Miristheiss]

Man, women love to murder their children so they can keep having sex without letting a kid get in the way.

It is a freaking religion to you. No responsibility for ones own actions.

SEX MAKES BABIES.

Oh no, now we can just kill them.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so you’re only ever having sex for kids?

[Miristheiss]

I got married.
We had our two kids.
I had a vasectomy.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so you never had sex before or after u were ready for kids?

[DJB72]

For the same reason all reports about the Pro Life people claim this bullshit. It's who pays for the reports. Usually leftists because it fits their narrative.

Anti-abortion and Pro-Life aren't the same.

Genuine Pro-Life organisations actually stay involved, helping the mother if she chooses to keep her child and helping the child through adoption up to 18 if necessary.

I'm not Anti-abortion. I'm Pro-Life. Before you make your statements, learn the difference.

[chocolatetwopointo]

whats ur source?

[DJB72]

Several churches I've been part of ran Pro-Life organisations. We helped children find a loving home and supported them through their childhood.

Where's your sources? You made the initial claim...

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh yeah? like these churches? www.qualitativecriminology.com/.../2

whats there to prove?

[DJB72]

You know non-christians commit more child SA than christians do? It's not Christians running rampant in grooming gangs in the UK raping and murdering underage girls for daring to be white - in ENGLAND.

So you can find the examples of the few corrupt churches and fuckwits claiming to be "godly" but with zero biblical basis for their actions.

Big deal. How many churches are there? Maybe let's keep numbers manageable. I'm sure you're likely US based so let's just say you tell me how many churches there are in the continental United States? What percentage of biblical churches - not the rainbow freaks, the actual Christian churches - who teach not killing children at their most vulnerable don't support the children they save?

Reports only ever show what the person who ordered the report wants them to show. Especially if there's a chance to malign Christianity at the same time.

Like I said, GENUINE Pro-Life organisations stay involved. If they don't, they're Anti-abortion, not Pro-Life.

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure but a church is supposted to be a safe space. god wouldn't be happy if a priest raped a kid would he?

”big deal” raping kids is a big deal u dipshit.

right. u only care ab the kid until its not christian.

[DJB72]

Yes, child rape is a big deal. I've been involved in counselling survivors for over 30 years. How many have you personally counselled?

Over half the survivors I've worked with are Muslim. I don't care. I'm not an evangelist. My work through the church was counselling, not converting.

If a "priest" rapes a child he was never a Christian. If his "church" attempts to shelter that individual from the consequences then that organisation has nothing to do with Christ.

And for the record, if a priest touches a child in my care I'll happily send him to meet his god.

No Godly Church teaches abortion is acceptable. There is one "deity" biblically that supported paedicide: Moloch. In Moloch's temples, babies were ripped apart and then their bodies were burned.

In a "planned parenthood" centre babies are ripped apart and their bodies are burned.

You call it "a medical procedure". It's murder. A few more weeks and killing the baby would get the doctor and anyone else involved Life in prison or executed. Preferably the latter. "First do no harm" means doctors are banned from taking part in executions - unless the victim is still in utero. The hypocrisy of that is as bad as a priest, surely? Where should a baby be safer than in the FUCKING WOMB?

I care about the kid until its dead. Christian or not.

[chocolatetwopointo]

riiight.

its not murder if it was never even alive. so u think a kid who was raped by her father should be forced to have an raise that child js bc a man couldnt keep it in his pants?

[DJB72]

Scientifically, when does life begin?

If you shoot and kill a pregnant woman you're charged with a DOUBLE HOMICIDE - the mother AND the baby.

I've counselled several rape survivors. Including three who fell pregnant as a result. Two chose to not kill the baby but give it up for adoption. I didn't tell them what to do beyond weigh up the impact in their heart. The third had the abortion. Have a guess which of them is still in therapy 25 years later.

And much like the "priest", introduce me to the "father" who puts his daughter through that and I'll cook him a hot dog and "encourage" him to eat it.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and?

do you KNOW the woman is still in therapy bc she had an abortion?
id probably need therapy after having a kid bc i couldnt get an abortion and then regret it, adoption centres r worse.

yeah right. no u wouldn't. you’d ignore it like every other man. and that wasn't my question. DO YOU THINK SHE SHOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE THE KID AND RAISE IT? THAT was the question. that kid will forever be reminded of what happened if she had the baby.

a woman is always prioratized before the fetus. if u disagree ur a disgusting human being.

[DJB72]

Yes, I KNOW the abortion is why she's still in therapy. Who do you think told me?

I don't think she should be FORCED to raise it, no. And if you bothered to read my answer properly instead of reflexing like a petulant child you'd see I don't tell her what to do. She has to live with her decision either way.

And a closed adoption means no trace back to the biological parents and zero information about conception is given. Ever. The child can grow up and live a good life eternally oblivious of the circumstances of their conception.

And your Pro-infanticide by means of dismemberment of - globally - mostly FEMALE children in the womb makes you what? Candidate for sainthood?

I'm fighting for all lives. Nothing else. Life. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

This "disgusting" guy had to perform CPR on his wife 6 months ago then tell his 6 year old son his mother was dead. I had my right leg amputated four weeks after a 3 month coma that included needing to be resuscitated for 4 hours. Because of the coma my lower leg had to be removed under local anaesthetic and conscious sedation.

You want to judge me for living by a moral code that would compel me to take a bullet for you and tell me I'm "disgusting"? Go ahead. Your opinion of me is functionally irrelevant.

[chocolatetwopointo]

did she really tell u that?

im js asking what u THINK she should do. okay and? adoption centres r awful. no ur not. u dont care for women. riiight right, fuck off with ur fuckass sob story nobodys believing it.
yes YOU ARE fucking disgusting. if ur son made a girl pregnant you’d probably tell her to abort it bc he's ur son, like every other man.

[DJB72]

If my son - who's 6 - gets a girl pregnant I'd tell him to marry her. If she won't then he'd damn well better have a plan to support the child.

Yes, she really told me that.

I think all human beings have the absolute right to live - and science proves human life begins at CONCEPTION, not birth.

I assume you're in the USA from your entitlement. If you think adoption centres there are bad, take a gap year and come to South Africa. Work as a volunteer at Red Cross Children's Hospital with kids dying of AIDS after both parents died and nobody wants to adopt them. Go to Joburg and work with street kids freezing to death in the winter because they don't get adopted.

Do that for a year. Then talk to me about disgusting human behaviour. It's a left wing government caused the fucking disaster here.

You're going to hit hard times emotionally one day. You'll need people who have seen some seriously shitty things on your side. They're who will get you through. Not some pathetic library.

I'm not going to reply here again. If you want to talk to someone who won't bullshit you then you can DM me and we can chat in private. If you want someone who pulls their punches I'm not the person you should talk to. As here, I'll tell you point blank if you're being wilfully stupid.

[chocolatetwopointo]

obviously i meant when he's older.

okay then she really must love kids.

so if a woman was dying in child birth u think the kid should be saved instead of her?

im not. im from sweden. statistics have shown that adoption centres r awful, yeah I've always want to go there to help those poor kids. and u wanna know something, most of those women couldnt get an abortion so they had to have a kid and make it suffer, how do u feel ab that?

lmao right. the one who thinks a child is worth more than a grown woman.

[alice55]

Actualy pro life support children to be raised by their parents not abandoning them and there's lots of help money wise / church or even association to help so I don't get where you saw nobody care for small children.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so u think by forcing people who DONT want kids will love their kids and take care of them? there's so many studies showing they get neglected and even abused. wheres ur proof of the ”help money wise” not everyones christian stop bringing up the church like the priests dont rape kids. people dont help unwanted kids. id love to see ur sources.

[alice55]

Which study? There's more abortion than birth per years nowadays... Also many people want and desire children but don't take care of them properly so it don't have anything to do with wanting them or not. Also it's very easy to not get pregnant if you don't want to, either don't have sex or use protection (pills pr patch plus condom it's impossible to get pregnant on those cases).
The state give money as well as free food for poor people (les restau du coeur), church help everyone christian or not christian (le secure populaire, emmaus, la croix rouge, secours catholique, etc..) there's so many help so many association so many government help.

[chocolatetwopointo]

simple google search is all it takes. there's thousands.
okay and? whats the problem with that? then those people shouldn't have kids. none of those r 100% honey.
u think thats enough for kids to have a proper childhood? god ur crazy. yet they shame single mothers, teen mothers or broke mothers? how supportive.

[alice55]

false, if you don't show it then you're lying.
My god you're truly delusional, kids don't need to bath in gold to be alive.

[chocolatetwopointo]

show what?
ah yes ur the one whos planning on ABUSING ur kids. right, fuck off im not having a convo ab kids wellbeing with someone who wants to abuse kids.

[alice55]

You're delusional

[chocolatetwopointo]

LMAO

[Bubbatech24065]

The problem with humanity, is that there is a distribution problem, people who are responsible and want to adopt, are kept away from the supply of children, that need families and love, by regulations that seem to only effect the responsible, caring, loving, and responsible parents.

[Flower7]

Yes, such as income requirements. Even though there are lots of broke people who have biological children.

[Massageman]

Thank you. Kind of speed bumps on the road that ALL must endure, even though they are driving carefully.

[Stevepro68]

That is a thoughtful but complicated and nuanced question. The truth is real problems are hard to fix. Forcing an individual to bend to your will is easy. Forcing a society to take care of its weakest and vulnerable population is hard.

[chocolatetwopointo]

taking away half of the population is something worth fighting for tho, dont u think?

[FreyaRed]

They don't care if the mother dies and the child dies after birth or rape is just an inconvenience and doesn't justify an abortion. Those people are retards who won't accept any even slightest logical compromises opposing their world view.

[shortster]

Have you heard of Preborn Clinics? They support the mother and child for up to two years after birth. Also most prolife people are conservative and most conservatives believe in self reliance and strong families. So their expectations are that people should be able to take care of themselves without assistance from the state; and any assistance that they do need would come from their family.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and if the mother doesn't want the kid?

[shortster]

Then why did she engage in an activity whose primary purpose is creating babies?

[chocolatetwopointo]

bc its a natural instinct. and what if she was raped? and should the father face no concequences at all according to u?

[shortster]

If it was rape, the rapists should go to jail for the rest of his life.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah no shit? so what happens to the mother?

[shortster]

She gets justice

[chocolatetwopointo]

how? by forcing her to have her rapists kid and then forcing her to raise it too? in what world is that justice?

[shortster]

By him going to prison. The justice system only has one punishment.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and thats it? no other help? why should she have to suffer in birth giving birth to her rapists kid and then forced to look into his kids eyes every single day of her life bc he couldnt keep it in his pants? IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT JUSTICE?

[chocolatetwopointo]

and rapists rarely ever get life in prison so he’ll be out before that kids most likely 18 just living his life while the mother has to suffer? IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT JUSTICE?

[shortster]

How is justice that her innocent child is murdered because the father is a rapist?

[shortster]

If you want to include the death penalty for rapists, I could go along with that?

[chocolatetwopointo]

why do u care more about a fetus than an actual living woman?
why should she have to raise without help, her rapists kid js bc he couldnt keep it in his pants? id want abortion to be womens choice. not something the government controls.

[shortster]

I care about all people. I don't know why you think a person is less important because of their age or maturity.

[chocolatetwopointo]

bc its not alive, its a parasite. women die from child birth, is the mothers death worth the child that now won't have a mother and will blame themselves for the rest of their life for it?

[shortster]

Humans aren't parasites. Also as a biologist I can say unequivocally that life begins when the DNA from the sperm fuses with the DNA from the egg, or for you layman at conception.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no but fetuses are parasites. okay? ur point is?

[shortster]

Do you understand what a mammal is?

[chocolatetwopointo]

whats that got to do with this?

[shortster]

Mammals are a group of animals that invest heavily in their offspring by first carrying them inside their bodies and then nursing them. Congratulations we are one of the species of mammals. As such our offspring are not parasites just because of our reproductive strategy. Nevermind that parasitism is defined as a relationship between two different species.

[chocolatetwopointo]

do you know what a parasite is

[shortster]

Of course, it is a species that harms another species for its own benefit. Like I said earlier parasitism is between two different species. It is wholly inaccurate to describe the natural relationship between a mother and her offspring as a form of parasitism.

[chocolatetwopointo]

well a fetus can't survive on its own without its host. thats a parasite.. it uses the mothers energy and nutrients, otherwise it won't become a baby

[shortster]

That is by design of our class of species. You don't develop whole organs just to support parasites.

[chocolatetwopointo]

we do tho? fetuses are the definition of parasites.

[shortster]

Your education is woefully inadequate to this discussion.

[chocolatetwopointo]

this is common sense retard.

[shortster]

Common sense is not claiming babies are parasites just because it suits your antihuman rhetoric.

[chocolatetwopointo]

fetuses* fetuses are parasites.

[shortster]

Fetus is a specific life stage, baby is a generic life stage that encompasses the period of fetus.

[chocolatetwopointo]

okay? that literally doesn't change what i said at all.

[msmissydc]

Pro-life is based on the hypocrisy of "saving" parasites by killing women. So, of course, their hypocrisy doesn't stop there.

[msmissydc]

If half the people who are against abortion access, actually do what they preach and support children then existing statistics wouldn't be real. No, one actually cares though as seen by no one caring to explain why the same party who restricts abortion access also denies free school meals, gun control, restriction of social services, and generally can't even name a single pro-life service that's not church based supported by them. I dont want to join a cult just to survive. Helping Refugees is pro-life as well. But you rather gun them down or deport them to places where they die. Fucking hypocrites!!!
Care to explain how your pro-life only goes as far as ruining mothers life's and not further?
Everyone can say they do so much but statistically speaking that's just not the case. So why is everyone doing activism against abortions but not for missing social services, because the people that do, are the same people that want abortion as well.

[Awesomesauce2005]

Its because men have been irresponsible and run away or been baby trapped with a woman. Men here lately are too scared of women to stay with one because so many of them act crazy and irrationally and they are selfish. Notice how i said so many and not all.

[molonski2]

You make a good point , but its part 2 of the question where people need to change , support is vital , it should be plentiful for certain.

[Godihateyou]

Your question is a total lie. The same people fighting baby murderers are the same people funding and adopting babies. Just admit it. You love that minorities kill their babies and you are evil.

[chocolatetwopointo]

r u dumb? do u not know ab the millions of kids who DONT get adopted?

[Godihateyou]

No. I don't. Because foster care and adoption is an industry so large wealthy people are buying kids from poor countries.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and what ab the kids who dont get adopted? what do u think happens to them?

[Godihateyou]

Foster care. They don't just kill them like abortion tou fucking mongrel

[chocolatetwopointo]

and what do u think happens to kids in foster care?

[Godihateyou]

4 of my best friends were in foster care. They have fantastic lives become lawyers doctors and staff Sargents in the Army.

[Godihateyou]

Not murdered

[chocolatetwopointo]

good for them, but thats not always the case.

[Godihateyou]

So you'd rather a person dies for convenience or simplicity? Pure evil

[chocolatetwopointo]

well a fetus isn't a person

[Godihateyou]

A women isn't a person then. Define women, person, and fetus. You won't define any of them. Because your evil is undefined

[chocolatetwopointo]

a fetus is a parasite a woman is a person (not a parasite)

[chocolatetwopointo]

its this simple. its actually concerning u care more ab a fetus than an actual living human.

[Godihateyou]

Democrats are more parasites than Fetuses. Maybe we should stat aborting Democrats at any age.. what's concerning is you say I care more about an fetus than a living Human when a Fetus is a living Human and you cannot explain how it isn't or prove your statement to be true. You are intellectually dishonest and lack basic critical thinking. Women like you should not be allowed to vote.

[chocolatetwopointo]

nope. fetuses are parasites, lets go over this again. a parasite is an organism that lives off the energy of its host (literally a fetus). so if ur wife was going to die in birth you’d want the fetus? bet u voted for trump, hows that going for u?

[Godihateyou]

Democrats are parasites by that definition. Yes I agree. We should slaughter en mass.

[chocolatetwopointo]

literally how.

[beefcakebradybatson]

They're hypocritical busybody fetus fetishists, as longtime progressive Detroit talk show host Peter Werbe called them.

[LilLesbLover]

Because the wanna look all high and mighty without any of the responsibility

[Filthy_Immigrant]

because she is strong and independent now that the child is out of her. she can apply for welfare, child support, alimony and many other freebies

[GoVols]

Would you care to elaborate? I am very much prolife and donate all kinds of money/resources to Church’s, Women’s homes, single mom organizations, etc.

[chocolatetwopointo]

whats there to elaborate?

[Renegade_Sailor]

I think sane people are always against murder.

The point of view you're coming from is rooted in weaponized indignation, it's not logical.

[Anastasia86]

Except when a student come into a class room with a tool and mass deleted people. They are pro abortion after birth.

[Snakeyes7]

This is a claim I hear all the time but I never hear anyone back it up. I never heard any pro-life people say that the foster care system is perfect and doesn't need any reform.

[msmissydc]

It is backed up by the fact that the party that restricts abortion access is also against weapon bans, against free school meals, against better social services.

[Snakeyes7]

@msmissydc
They are (or at least I am) against weapon bans because that guarantees that the government will abuse the citizens when they are disarmed.

They are (or at least I am) against free school meals because that will never actually happen even after a law like that has passed. Our funding for schools over the past several decades have increased exponentially yet somehow the children are getting dumber and more illiterate. Why should we give them any more money?

They are (or at least I am) against social services because they only keep people poor, destroy families, and disincentivize making themselves useful in society because our nanny state will wipe their ass for them instead of helping them dig themselves out of poverty. Why should hard working people be forced to pay people who do nothing but sit on their ass all day?

[Pterodon]

What I’ve wondered is you go to the hospital and are handed a baby with no instruction manual or any training.

[chocolatetwopointo]

basically

[Anonymous]

You're so right, any child who might end up in a adoption centre should be killed, just in case.

[chocolatetwopointo]

the fact u care more about an unborn fetus than an already living human being with actual feelings is fucking crazy.

[Opinion Owner]

The fact you think it's better to kill a human life than risk them not having a perfect life is fucking disgusting.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so u think a kid should suffer in life? u think we should birth kids and put them on the street? its better to be dead atp.

[Opinion Owner]

Your narrative is a false one. I have known a lot of people who were adopted as kids and the majority had normal lives. You're trying to suggest all kids who are adopted have shitty lives, which is not true. There is a risk of that, but there is also a high likelihood it won't be the case. It's disgusting that people like you think a child should not even have a chance at a good life and should just be killed just in case. Absolutely disgusting.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and im talking about the majority of kids who DONT get adopted. they get abused and neglected by the agency most times.
its disgusting u care more ab a fetus than a woman. fucking retard.

[Rohaan2020]

@chocolatetwopointo first time i agree with you…. If you know the child is gonna have a bad life it’s better to end it there itself…. And this thing i can surely say from my personal experience

[chocolatetwopointo]

@Rohaan2020 i have no idea who u r but okay, and its true. people r delusional and ignorant.

[Rohaan2020]

Exactly… and i even think that euthanasia should be legal…. I know most people won’t agree but if you can’t make someone’s life better than you should not stop him from ending it

[Staximus]

Because it's legal to kill fetuses and not children, genius

[chocolatetwopointo]

yet u support not banning guns, that kill kids on the daily..

[Staximus]

Cars kill more kids than guns, let's just ban everything and cover everybody in bubble wrap

[chocolatetwopointo]

id love to see ur source. if we ban guns kids won't die in school shootings.

[Staximus]

It's common knowledge dude

[msmissydc]

Guns are made for killing. Cars are not. So no your argument is still lacking. But yes you are not pro life if you don't support banning killing instruments.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no its not, and ass msmissydc said, guns are made for killing, cars aren't

[Anonymous]

Foster care is not adoption.

There are already far too many families looking to adopt than adoptable infants.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm pro choice, but this isn't a good argument.

[chocolatetwopointo]

im talking ab the ones who dont get adopted. not everyone has that luck.

[BCRanger10]

Where do you get that idea?

[chocolatetwopointo]

r u dumb?

[BCRanger10]

Nope.

[chocolatetwopointo]

then try thinking for longer than a few seconds!

[BCRanger10]

I've volunteered at a crisis pregnancy center before. I've seen the help that we're often accused of neglecting. Don't need to think about it.

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh so u think the few women u helped made a difference? there's still millions out there. and society and the government is not helping.

[BCRanger10]

Between the government, society, and the pregnancy help center, which one was the one making a difference AT ALL?

[chocolatetwopointo]

never even heard of a ”pregnancy help center” give me ur sources and what they do, and how many people they ACTUALLY help. bc it sure as hell ain't working.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@chocolatetwopointo Pregnancy centers are actually a pretty well known thing by people in reality.

Instead of waiting for him to respond it only takes a few seconds to look up by the way

[chocolatetwopointo]

and how do yk they’re actually helpful?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Scroll through the comments, and you’ll see somebody already answered that question

[BCRanger10]

Well, first I’d have to know what we’re defining as “what’s working” and why. I have my own theories, but you mentioned it first, so I’d like to know.



I will start however by noting that according to the Guttmacher Institute, there are 807 abortion facilities in the United States alone. How many pregnancy help centers are there? More than 2,600. That’s MORE than three times as many abortion facilities. You say that what they’re doing “isn’t working” (again, definition please), but the worst you truly could say is that they’re just “ineffective”. What else can you expect though when your side is a handful of volunteers relying on charitable donations and facing a massive machine supported and funded by celebrities, major corporations and financial backers, and the government and has very effective messaging. Not only that, but messaging that tells everyone that those dopey pro-lifers don’t really care about women and want them caring for their children along while starving and homeless (hence the conversation we’re having now).

The most important thing on this score though is that “ineffective” is not “unavailable”.

Now all that said, the place I volunteered at is called Birthright. It was started in 1968 in Canada by Louise Summerhill. And yes, it is worldwide. In fact, if I remember correctly from the starter packet, even Planned Parenthood has praised them before. I don’t know what other PCCs do (though I’d guess they’re similar), but Birthright provides clothing, baby food, and diapers. They also try to help women find work. If a young girl gets pregnant and has to face her parents, someone from Birthright goes with her. They provide emotional and, if they want it, spiritual support and counseling (Lousie Summerhill was a devout Catholic).

Are they helping anyone? Again, they were started in 1968 and are still around today, so they must be doing SOMETHING right.

[chocolatetwopointo]

just tell me who? im not gonna read through every single comment.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and ur source is?

[BCRanger10]

Is that for me or WBC?

[chocolatetwopointo]

both really

[BCRanger10]

Here's the website for Birthright... https://birthright.org/

Let's leave WBC out of this. It gets annoying when a third person starts arguing on an existing thread.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and wheres the statistics of how much it actually helps? js bc they exist doesn't mean they actually work

[BCRanger10]

How does their start in 1968 in a small house in Toronto and then expanding over nearly 60 years to a worldwide operation not indicate that it's working (and once again, define "working")?

[chocolatetwopointo]

working as in actually helping mothers, there's still no proof of that

[BCRanger10]

Okay, so how is its longevity and expansion not at least an indication that they're doing exactly that? I'd think that providing food, medical supplies, counseling, and other such support free of charge is pretty helpful. Wouldn't you?

[chocolatetwopointo]

nope. i want statistics. ill wait.

[BCRanger10]

Why not?

I mean, I'll be perfectly happy to look up numbers or find them some other way, but to what point and purpose? A quick Google search will tell you that Birthright alone helps 10 million women a year, though another thing I'd want to know is how you're defining "helping". If, for the third time, clothing, food, and medical supplies (for starters) at no cost isn't objectively considered "help", I don't know what is. Again, I volunteered there. I saw their inventory.

So again, to what point and purpose would I be doing this research? Would you be satisfied? Do you really, truly, honestly want to know more about with this organization does? Because if I'm to be completely honest, based on this discussion so far and other interactions we've had, I don't think you do. I think you want to keep on believing that pro-lifers are all a bunch of cold, heartless jerkfaces who just thumb our noses at women in difficult situations and say "should've made better choices, honey!" Am I wrong?

[chocolatetwopointo]

okay go on. ill be satisfied when i get statistics that pro-lifers actually help pregnant mothers

[BCRanger10]

Okay. What kind of statistics do you want? I gave you a number, but granted, it's vague. What specifically are you looking for?

[chocolatetwopointo]

i want to see how many women prolifers have actually helped.

[BCRanger10]

Okay well I already mentioned 10 million women per year. And that's just BRI. I don't know about other support agencies.

[chocolatetwopointo]

well thats not a source, is it?

[WhiteBoyChill]

@chocolatetwopointo Are you really this dumb or are you just trolling on purpose?

[chocolatetwopointo]

do yk what a source is?

[BCRanger10]

@WhiteBoyChill shut up.

@chocolatetwopointo what are you defining as "helping" and what kind of sources and statistics do you want?

[chocolatetwopointo]

give me statistics of how many happy customers they have. i want to see how many prolifers actually help, as u said.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@BCRanger10 Not very Christian of you there

@chocolatetwopointo You come across as someone that just wants to argue. If you really actually cared you’d just google all these things on your own. You’ve already been given plenty of information. And you have the internet.

[chocolatetwopointo]

@WhiteBoyChill okay? and thats a problem because…? if u make a statement you should be able to prove it. thats like common sense…

[BCRanger10]

Okay. How about testimonials and reviews?

Here's Birthright of Quincy, Illinois... https://birthrightquincyil. org/testimonials/

Birthright of Kingston... https://www. kingstonbirthright. ca/testimonials

Facebook page for Columbia, Missouri... https://www. facebook. com/BirthrightofColumbia/? locale=mt_MT

Testimonials from Pittsburgh... https://birthrightpittsburgh.org/testimonials/

[chocolatetwopointo]

i can't enter any of the links its js a white screen?

[Anonymous]

That's mostly men who refuse to help.

[chocolatetwopointo]

r we surpised? not at all.

[Opinion Owner]

Men have it way to easy in life. Only work and sex is what there good for you.

[chocolatetwopointo]

exactly. and most of the time they suck at both of those things.

[WhiteThought]

Care to elaborate?

[Panthero80]

They are mistreated?

[chocolatetwopointo]

ur 44 and u dont know this?

[Panthero80]

Would you give a specific example?

[chocolatetwopointo]

fym specific example?

[PaleDale]

It's a total double standard

[Anonymous]

Dems don't care