Do illegals have due process rights? Are people being deported without trial? Can they be deported without trial? Did Obama deport them without trial?

[WhiteBoyChill]

What I’m asking is, can the government simply say “oh don’t have documents to prove legal residency?” GTFO

Or is it a legal requirement that there has to be a trial in court if you want to get someone deported and stuff?

Reason I ask is cuz I hear leftists saying that Trump is breaking the law, but I’m honestly not 100% sure on what the law is regarding this myself tho.

Either way the 5th amendment only states that “no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law”

Now I’m not sure how to legally interpret this.

The way I see it, depriving someone of “life” refers to the death penalty

Depriving someone of ”liberty” would mean throwing them in jail

And property is obviously pretty self explanatory.

That being said tho, I don’t personally see how deporting someone back to their home country of origin is in violation of any of the 3 things listed.

You’re not throwing them in prison, you’re not sentencing them to death, and you’re not taking anything away from them either, you’re simply sending them back to where they came from.

So when leftists say “ICE is rounding up and deporting people without due process”, don’t they have the legal right to do so?

I didn’t think illegal immigrants were owed due process since immigration status doesn’t seem to fall under that category

[Orion84]

Everyone has the right to due process, because that is the process by which it is determined whether someone is illegal, or not.

You can't (or shouldn't) just grab someone off the street, throw them on a plane, and send them off without determining their status, which is part of due process. Sending them off without determining their status is literally depriving them of their due process, and a violation of the Constitution.

Plus, you said it yourself: the 5th Amendment says "No person..." It does not say "No citizen" or "No legal resident". I applies to every single human being under US juristiction.

If someone is determined to be here illegally, via due process, then by all means, deport them. That's how the system works, and most reasonable people don't have a problem with that.

It's when the Constitution itself is violated that people get upset, because it is, quite literally, against the law. Case in point: the Obama administration deported more people than Trump's (first) administration, but nobody was up in arms about it, because it was all carried out legally.

[WhiteBoyChill]

But is a trial actually needed tho? Like can’t they be deported without trial?

[Orion84]

According to the 5th & 14th Amendments, everyone has the right to due process, so by that, it is legally required, yes.

There are cases of what is called "expedited withdrawal" in certain special circumstances, but aside from that, no; it would be against the law to deport someone without a trial.

It's not a trial, in the way you might be thinking, though. There's no jury, or anything, but they still go before an immigration judge.

[WhiteBoyChill]

But how does deporting somebody deprive them of “life, liberty or property”

I don’t get that impression at all

[Orion84]

Well, throwing someone on a plane against their will is technically robbing them of their liberty. They're losing their freedom to choose where they live.

[Orion84]

I also wanted to clarify; these laws only apply to immigrants that are already living in America, legally or not.

If they are caught at the border, though, they don't receive these protections, because they aren't yet under the umbrella of the US legal system.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Orion84 Hey men you are way to smart and intelligent to be arguing with stupid racist biggot.

This dude is a biggot ! Yes everything you said I agree with you. You make a lot of intelligent points and you have awesome answers.

It's a shame Mr. Biggot over here would not acknowledge you're information. Don't waste You're time or words with these Magan clowns.

[Orion84]

@SuperZonicGUY1992 Thanks, I appreciate that.

I usually don't bother debating over political issues, but I've interacted with OP a few times in the past, and he's at least been willing to listen, from my experience, so I figured it was at least worth a shot.

At the very least, I have to give him credit for not immediately responding with insults, and parroted Fox News talking points, like so many people do.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

You welcome bro, Yeah I been told not to listen to Fox News. This Magan dude has kept pretty chill. Some of these racist morons get all defensive when we point out the facts.

You provided good information. I am hoping a lot of these Magan clowns come across you're statement and educated them selfs.

[exitseven]

There is a controversy about exactly what due process is. The democrats want each illegal alien to get a court trial and be entitled to an appeal. This would take hundreds of years to deport 20 million illegal aliens and a giant holding facility would have to be built to house them all while they await trial.
The criteria is a binary condition of are they in the country illegally? Yes or No? If it is yes than they get on the next plane back to wherever they came from.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I see, I just wasn’t sure what the law actually definitely was and if they did have the right to a trial or not

[exitseven]

Due process is not a fixed quantity.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Anonymous]

Just read the constitution of the United States of America it is very clear.

[Anonymous]

Due process has nothing to do with deportation. There's no way in hell Obama gave trials to millions of people.

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s what I figured as well, yeah

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Just admit that you're a racist biggot!

I bet if you see Asian, Hispanic or brown individual you hate on them just because they're not white like yourself.

Sucks for you never travel outside the U. S from what I can see.

I'm a former Republican and as a white U. S citizens. I believe just because someone is Mexican , Asian that doesn't mean they aren't U. S citizens. I met all lot of immigrants who follow the rules.

Bet I bet you only hang out with white people. Because that's what you're racist biggot ass does.

[WhiteBoyChill]

No, if they were all white people from Europe, I’d say send them back as well

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

President Trump welcome white Africans inside our Country U. S. With open arms. Yeah I don't see how the economy will get adjusted.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Those white south Africans didn’t immigrate here illegally tho, they came under the refugee program

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

So did the Venezuelan and Nicaraguan people. They came here legally by the Ex- President Biden approval they came with the same program none of them crossed illegally. But since the Nicaraguan and Venezuelan are Brown skin color you have a problem with them and get upset.

President Biden he is peaceful unlike you Maga clowns.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

You racist biggot now answer my question if it bothers you Maga racist biggots so much to have people from other Nationalities from other countries then why isn't Ice sending them back to their home country? Mexicans were not born in El Salvador! . So why are Mexicans being sent to El Salvador? Such hypocrisy!

[WhiteBoyChill]

Thats not true at all. He literally just gave illegals currently residing in the country TPS from certain countries.

They didn’t immigrate here legally, otherwise they couldnt’ve been deported

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Whiteboychill Interesting how the black Africans aren't getting the benefits to refuge into America. It doesn't take a genius to notice it's racism.

So you actually think a Vanazuelan should be deported to El Salvador?

Answer my question Sir! Boy you Maga humans are slow.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Whiteboychill you didn't answer my question. What is it with you Maga lunatics a ask the same question to another Maga looser on here and he skipped the question.

Now listen carefully and answer.

So a Venezuelan was born in Venezuela why is he getting deported to El Salvador when Venezuelan were not born in El Salvador? I tough it was about sending this people back to their home Country not torture them. And please answer the question.

[NaultD]

To put it simply the Don administration made a point to target murderers and rapist illegal immigrants first and after the first day of being none they went after anyone else.

Like hanging out at industrial hearings to get legal status.

So they started shipping people to el Salvador with zero due process. Court's stop don and then they still ship people to Africa. News still up in the air what's going on there.

This is unheard of ever in usa.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Didn’t answer my question but ok

[NaultD]

I'm sorry I gave you some semblance of common sense. I'll now spoon feed you reality.

You sir can find find yourself in El Salvador in a jail sail with 50 other people just because ICE made it happen. Thats it no paper is going to help you. No news is going to help. Sentence to death in a different country.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Still didn’t answer my question.

My question was if it was legal to deport people without due process

[NaultD]

NO.

https://youtu.be/31g0YE61PLQ?si=uXbUiyARJJYLFx1M

If someone accused you of being an illegal immigrant and you got bagged up so some other country, how do you prove you have legal status? Who the fuck looks at it without due process.

for the love of god find some level of common sense for your own l
Well being.

[WhiteBoyChill]

You criticize me for a lack of “common sense” and yet you had to be reminded twice that you didn’t actually answer my question

[NaultD]

You are kidnapped to el Salvador for being an illegal immigrant yet say you are a born citizen.

What is the governing system should have happened?

[FunkyMonkee]

I don't think they have that right because they ARE illegals!!
Why should they get that right when LEGAL CITIZENS that just HAPPENED to BE THERE on Jan. 6th got tossed into jail for years without that right?

[SmokinAces2000]

When the president is rounding people up and sending them to foreign prisons without proof that they are gang members or from that country then obviously any decent person is going to be against that and argue for due process. The fact that Trump and his supporters don't care says a lot.

[WhiteBoyChill]

He only did that with 200 venezuelans.

It’s not being done on a massive scale like you’re suggesting

[SmokinAces2000]

“Only” smh

[WhiteBoyChill]

Yeah exactly, its not a regular thing being done like you’re suggesting

[Dongie]

Before all this bitching from the weaker folks I had never heard of having a trial for a border jumper.

[DrPepper12]

ICE is rounding up and deporting people without due process.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Ok, and?

Is it legal or illegal?

[DrPepper12]

Illegal

[WhiteBoyChill]

Under what law?

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Good point bro! That's what I've been trying to tell these Maga morons.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@SuperZonicGUY1992 tell me the law

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Whiteboychill A good example is respecting state Senators. Kristin Noem just stood there while the poor innocent men was being attacked. What about respecting state senators. Another respecting people's in general don't matter their skin color race , religion. I can tell by you're mindset you are from the South Sir.