Why do women think that men who are against abortion are trying to control women?

[Anonymous]

It’s not about that. Did you ever stop to think that maybe we don’t agree with the practice from a moral perspective?

[MzAsh]

Men can be against it all they want, but that’s just their opinion. But the very act of passing laws is them trying to control. There’s no denying that what women do in this regard lives rent free in their heads. They’re obsessed and that’s why they desperately want to outlaw it.

[Asker]

Sure, feminazi

[MzAsh]

You’ll be alright champ

[Asker]

Oh, I know that full well. I’m doing just fine. You on the other hand? 🤣

[MzAsh]

Sure thing boo-boo 🤥

[blackeagle007]

Don’t waste your time with this guy. Insecure guys get their jollies off by thinking they are in charge of women.

[Shiprex]

I'd say there are men who don't disagree with the notion BUT disagree with the access to them.

FOR example, a couple have sex and agree pregnancy is not the goal of this encounter. Unfortunately the woman gets pregnant. She has 2 choices, he has none and HAS to accept her choice when he has a potential loss of a child if he wants it or commitment to 18 years of financial punishment if he didn't want it.

Now IF there were some legal recourse against women who lie or deny him his reproductive produce then the law can bring equality into play. If he has the facility to adopt the child out after birth and not be held responsible for it then equality can be matched as women do not suffer nearly as much backlash as men for being deadbeats and dropping unwanted children into adoption system.

The whole my body my choice should extend to my responsibility or accountability for the access to abortion.

[BCRanger10]

Because no uterus, no opinion... I guess?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I fully agree with what @Bricealan said. Telling a woman she can't have an abortion for any reason you have is controlling her body for your own personal bias. You are welcome to disagree with it, but when you start advocating for laws banning it or forcing women to keep it in other ways, that's going way too far.

Have your opinion, but then mostly keep it to yourself.

[MisterWack]

It isn’t just “men” in general, I’ve seen this sort of concern poke criticism towards political leadership of men and women who are against Pro Choice in terms of bodily autonomy.

I used to be on the ‘Pro Life’ side myself, never truly realizing what made my female friend at the time advocate so hard in debate class though I understand now because I researched and was willing to hear from the other side which I tested compared to my old beliefs which I stand with I would personally never get an abortion if I were a woman though that doesn’t mean it should be taken away from another woman making the choice for herself.

If a woman gets an accidental pregnancy even when being careful with condoms, birth control pills, and more then I believe she has a right to terminate the pregnancy especially if she doesn’t want the mental trauma (getting the baby taken away to be given up for adoption) and the financial burden of a delivery (a lot of money is involved if you decide to keep it). Sometimes a man isn’t willing to be a father so, a lot of women are influenced by that since the man wanted pleasure then didn’t want to be ball n chained by a mouth to feed.

There are many other arguments and women can talk about them better than me, ‘a man’ though I get it. And the concern is pointed to lawmakers not “men” in general.

[Josey29]

Repeat after me, abortion has nothing to do with men! Men do not deserve a say in the matter!

In the last decade I've heard THOUSANDS upon thousands of men talk about women, especially mothers, as if they're dirt. THOUSANDS! You want to tell me men care about a fetus but they don't care about women and their well-being? I call bullshit.

These pro life men are the same men that support war mongering. They support capital punishment. Isn't that ironic?

It's always about control. The more free will a woman is awarded, the more emasculated men feel.

Your grandmothers, the one's that faught for a woman's right to choose... are rolling in their graves!

[Asker]

That’s a load of horseshit. Are you seriously comparing giving the death penalty to a piece of shit subhuman murderer with stopping the life of an innocent baby from ever being born? WOW

[Josey29]

Baby? Nice try. Fetus. Fetus. Fetus.

It's not about your moral compass. It's about the control you gain when choosing life and death! It's considered control when the body doesn't belong to you. A fetus needs a host so it belongs to me.

Being pregnant for 9 month is like being trapped by your own body. You can't run from it... do you know who can run from the consequences? Men.

[Asker]

it does not belong to you , but nice try. is a separate life. You’re talking about me running from consequences when that’s exactly what you’re advocating for yourself. Lmao 🤣

[Josey29]

I'm in Canada... abortion is legal here.

Good luck buddy 💙

[Anonymous]

People, meaning men and women alike, often hide behind the smoke screen of "it's a moral choice." When I hear 13 year old girl was raped by her father, how do you shove morality into that? I'm not a fan of abortion for every single thing such as women who use it as birth control rather than an actual condom, but I also recognize there is a lot of grey area. Mother's life at risk, rape, medical emergencies, condom breaks, birth control failure. It IS easy as a man to say pro-life because it is a choice they will physically never have to make. What health issue do women the right to cancel for men. Many of these committees on abortion are literally composed of ALL MEN. You can look it up. What sense does that make? Laws are literally about controlling the people under those laws.

[PeachyPie93]

Look how men always complain about this shit but when it comes to baby animals being brutally murdered for food or whatever, no one cares about that. When I think that is even more inhumane. If you are not the one carrying the kid to birth shut the fuck up.

[Joshydavid25]

"If you are not the one carrying the kid to birth shut the fuck up."

That's not good reasoning, because the baby is not just the woman's to get rid of.. She's literally just a vessel carrying DNA.. Not the creator, and not the sole reason it the child's existence..

[PeachyPie93]

@Joshydavid25 Without her carrying it the child it won't be created. I understand a guy having a say in it if he is the father but these are just random dudes who have no business telling a woman what to do when they aren't the ones going to take care of the child, pay for the child or adopt the child. I understand you really shouldn't get an abortion and you should try your best to avoid it but when it needs to be done, it should be an option. Especially when no man has to ruin their own body for a child to be born, yet they say our beauty is all we offer and single mothers are trash but also want to force us to have unwanted children. As a man who will have nothing to do with these unwanted fetuses, why does it matter to you?

[Asker]

@peachypie93 how about you shut the fuck up you ugly ass bitch? no one wants a kid with you anyway

[PeachyPie93]

@Asker Awww.. that hurts sooo much 😭 As if bro.. 🤣🤣 There are defo guys who would love to cum inside me so I'm not worried. Its a fact that probably no woman would want your shitty inferior DNA tho.

[Asker]

@peachypie93 aww. Someone doesn’t know what a fact is 🤣 I’m married with two daughters but nice try 👍

[Joshydavid25]

"Without her carrying it the child it won't be created."

It's already created, the baby is just forming inside the womb from the clash of DNA between the mother and the father.. And be against abortion is not dudes "telling women what to do".. That's always such a selfish, egoist way to look at it.. A lot of men, like a lot of women, are just pro-life and it's apart of their moral conviction.. I get that some women may not feel ready, or maybe they didn't make great decisions and shacked up with the wrong guy who left them, but many are just callous getting rid of the baby because it's an inconvenience to their lives.. It's not hard to avoid pregnancy, people are just really reckless.. Like the question said, it's more of a moral conviction and the santity of life than anything to do with the woman herself..

[PeachyPie93]

@Asker Good for you.. 🤣

[PeachyPie93]

@Joshydavid25 Yeah but if she falls down the stairs, gets punched or kicked in the stomach or just is stressed out bad, that fetus won't make it so is it that big a deal it doesn't survive? But why bring children into the world that won't be loved, be super poor or abused? That isn't good either. Like I would have preferred my parents not had me and I would have been fine with it.. because of my childhood. Life in general isn't sacred. Humans take lives all the time and most are completely immoral so why act like these undeveloped aliens matter when they have no memory or idea of what is going on.

[Joshydavid25]

Geez, such a callous way to look at life.. I don't think you've been hurt that bad to see it that way.. I agree that women or men cold enough to just get rid of a baby shouldn't be parents, but there's adoption, and if the system wasn't so crooked more children could be in loving homes.. And life is definitely sacred or else we wouldn't react to death the way we do.. Let somebody (a human being) die in front of you and you'll remember that for the rest of your life.. And that point is that it's still a life.. A human life.. Some people don't think we have the right to take away its autonomy just because some woman more times than not wants to be selfish and reckless..

[PeachyPie93]

@Joshydavid25 Yeah but the fact the system is broken and a lot of children get abused and molested in children's aid and adoption places.. I would never put my child in one of those places. I have seen people die maybe not in person but on video.. Also my aunt, and one of my friends from high school died last month and I don't even care, I am basically numb to most death. It's just what happens because life is so short. But what if your 10 year old daughter is raped? Do you think she should have to carry and go through that birth? If you take away one right, you take away all.. If men cared so much about abortion then the thing that should get banned is sex before marriage because that is were the problem lies.

[Joshydavid25]

Yeah that's something I definitely hear and that's because they are state ran, which sucks, and they make it hard for people to adopt.. Instead or private ran where people voluntarily (without monetization of kids) put in their effort to take care of them.. It's sad honestly..

And well those circumstances depend.. I'm sure it'll be different seeing somebody die in person versus a video or hearing about.. Along with somebody you are very close to.. Although I don't know how close you were to your aunt and friend..

My father and nephew are products of rape.. And while my nephew is a work in progress, my father was at least raised by his mother the best she could love him.. I feel like whatever happened it's not the child's fault.. I personally don't think that abortion is a right, because it's unnatural to the human condition, but I would give my daughter a choice and just discourage it.. And well I agree that premarital sex is the problem, but that's where the real bodily autonomy issue would arise..

[PeachyPie93]

@Joshydavid25 Yeah it's sad but that is the reality of it.. there are far more unwanted children than people who want them.

I was close to my aunt but my friend not in a few years since she was into drugs..

Yeah but your father and nephew probably feel like shit about being the offspring of a rapist and had to deal with that in their own way. You are taking things that aren't even fully developed yet into too much consideration especially when not everyone wants to be born anyways. Like why is a human life more important than an animals life? It really isn't because we are just mammals too.. These are just religious views who place more importance on the human species and nothing else. Humans are the worst thing on the planet, look at the wars like with Israel right now, they kill people then whine when others kill them. People aren't worth saving.. So a few dead parasites really don't make a difference. You are saving that poor child from being brought into this shit hole of a world. As for premarital sex, men like whoring around so don't want to ban it especially when they don't even want to marry anymore. So if you are fucking woman with no intention of having kids or marrying her then don't tell anyone they aren't allowed to abort.

[Joshydavid25]

I don't know, because there are a lot of people who want children but it's hard to get them.. That may be true at the same time though.. Especially older children..

Aw okay, R. I. P to them both..

And well my nephew is 9, and most likely hasn't been told how he was conceived.. And my father, well I don't know how he felt about it.. But I heard that he was spoiled growing up because of his father.. Which didn't turn out well for him.. And yeah because it's still a human life.. Nobody will know if they want to be born yet if they aren't.. I get that we don't live in a great world, but I don't think that humans have the right the snuff out a life.. And well because you can connect to humans in ways you can't to an animal.. You can have a family with animals, or laugh and joke with animals.. You don't get upset at animals like you would a human.. Just the level of intelligence alone puts humans above animals.. And well humans aren't even the most homicidal species, and we are the only species that seek to save and preserve other species.. The only ones who figure out better ways to serve nature.. And I actually think that babies help the mother during pregnancy.. So they actually aren't parasites and can't be by definition since they are apart of the mothers DNA.. And well considering the concern for the lack of young people having kids.. I don't know.. But at the same time I definitely feel what you are saying.. And some men like whoring, but it's not easy for the guys who want one woman.. Most men do ultimately want to marry one woman and love her.. But I agree that a guy who doesn't want kids nor will he marry the woman should have a say in her decision..

[PeachyPie93]

@Joshydavid25 Yeah I get that but it can't survive on its own, I only see it after it's born alive as a life.. before that it is just a human in waiting. But like I get it's bad and shouldn't be done unless there is a serious reason. But it should be an option and not something that some woman would have to go get done secretly and die for. Fetuses are good for the fact they can repair cells and stuff but they also drain the mother of her Nutrients and everything else.. I don't hate kids but like if there isn't someone there to love and raise them why bring them into suffering. I get your point of view but like there is also the other side that isn't good. I was raised by a mother who was adopted and molested by her adopted father and uncles.. So things don't always go well with adoption.. and I just don't think a thing that doesn't even know it's alive should matter that much. I will end this as.. I very much understand where you are coming from but I just don't agree. Considering that abortion isn't even commented on in any of the three main biblical books and god apparently knows everything, I don't think it matters as long as it is done before it is a soul at 120 days..

[Joshydavid25]

Hey babies out of the womb can't survive of their own either.. Hell aside from being able to walk, neither can toddlers.. Nor a brain dead person who is still technically alive..

Believe it or not when something is strongly discouraged people actually stop the act for the most part. As soon as laws are passed on banning abortion women would largely not get abortions.. And most won't be brave enough to use back alley procedures.. The best deterrent is to get people to have crazy sex with somebody they are or will get married to.. Like I mentioned you have to be really reckless to have an unwanted pregnancy.. Which tells me most women who have them have sex when they are most horny.. Most likely a lot of it, but some women are really fertile..

And while I see what you're saying about bring them into this world unloved, there are plenty who grow up to show all the love despite their childhood.. I still that they should have that chance at least, even though I totally feel what you are saying..

And well that's because abortion isn't natural, but the way the Bible works is that it's all encompassing.. So the issues we face today aren't much different, just more."technical".. If the Bible believes that life starts at conception then abortion would really be considered "murder"..

[PeachyPie93]

@Joshydavid25 Yes but they can breath and drink without medical help. Brain dead people they ask you, do you want to take them off support because they aren't coming back.

Yeah because it's illegal to get and to do them for people lol. And most won't use back ally people, yes but you are essentially forcing that person to carry a baby she doesn't want. Not everyone is being reckless sometimes guys cum inside and lie to you so you don't by plan b.. there is many stupid things like that because dudes want to trap you. Someone can just be really fertile and accidentally get pregnant if he lies about cumming.

Fair enough..

Yeah but if god knows all.. then it should have put in there because in the future it was gonna be something that comes up.. Despite claims to the contrary, the canonical Scriptures of the Christian faith do not directly answer the question of when “life” begins or when “ensoulment” occurs. Only the changed version says anything about it but the edits are made by regular men not a prophet or god...

[Joshydavid25]

Hahaha.. I knew you would say that.. I guess my thing is that as long as the heart is beating and theh can feel pain, it's human to me..

Hmmm.. Forcing women to go through something that's a completely natural consequence of having sex and most likely letting somebody blow inside you.. Of course I wasn't saying that only the woman is reckless, guys are just as complicit.. It's just that since they really don't have a say, the responsibility is all on the person who has all the say..

And well actually most translations are almost true to the original copies with only a few grammar mistakes.. The Canon of the Bible is right in front of us, everything else is sort of hearsay, and conspiracy.. And with what the Bible says, I doubt anybody has changed that.. It really doesn't paint men or women or humanity in the best light.. But, according to God himself, before we were born we knew us... John the Baptist jumped inside his mother's womb when he came into contact with an even less developed Jesus inside his mother's womb.. If the Bible says that about "fetuses", and any pre meditated killing of human is murder, then we can assume that abortion would automatically be considered murder.. God had to mass appeal to the audience of his time and us thousands of years in the future.. So of course he wouldn't go into specifics.. He laid out the blue print already..

[Syntosi]

Because they are one-and-the-same. Your morality has nothing to do with someone else's body or choice. You are imposing your religion on them which is first of all RUDE and secondly infringing on their independence and rights.

A cultured man would never be against someone else's rights to an abortion based on their own personal morals. It is simply not right.

[Asker]

I’m actually not religious at all, but nice try.

[Syntosi]

Does not really matter since it was not actually part of the argument. Congratulations I suppose on dodging at least some of the religious brain rot out there.

[Asker]

Yes, it was. You made an assumption that I’m religious without knowing anything about me personally. You get called out on it, then recoil and claim that it wasn’t part of your argument. Wow. Congratulations you are the biggest moron and coward on gag.

[Syntosi]

Yes, I made an assumption that you are religious based on you having a broadly religious moral position. A position that is very rare outside of people with religious views.

I did not assume that you held anti abortion moral views because you were religious. It has nothing to do with my argument against such moral views. Rather, I assumed you were religious because you had certain moral views. The fact that you can't understand the difference does not paint you in a particularly kind light.

[Asker]

You sure do type a lot to say absolutely nothing lol. This is how you look bud

[Syntosi]

Well, since you appear to have reading comprehension issues I have to make extra considerations to make sure you understand what I write.

[Genie23]

I would never abort but I can understand why some women choose to abort. See, the problem isn't that you're against abortion. You have a right to express yourself. You can say you want her to keep the baby but what is not okay is that you say "No, you can't do abort. you'll have to do this" You are basically trying to control her. You're dictating her. That's not something most women would be okay with it

[Genie23]

If she's not mentally, emotionally or financially ready, she shouldn't have to go ahead and still be a mother. That would make her resent the baby or life and will be not capable of being a good mother. In some cases, it's even risky for women if they decide to give birth because of complications. So, that's why I don't think it's fair to say to women what they should do when it comes to their body.

[Orion84]

You can disagree with the practice all you want, but as soon as you take any steps to actually try and stop her from doing so, then you literally ARE trying to control her.

You would be imposing your will upon her, and trying to prevent her from making her own choices. That is the very definition of trying to control someone.

[Bricealan]

If you tell them, they can't control what happens to their body: i. e. aborting a pregnancy, then yes you are trying to CONTROL THEM. What else could that mean? It doesn't make a damned bit of reason as to why? Moral perspective? Whose moral perspective?

[NotLongKindaGirthy]

You say "control" like it's something sinister. Every time anyone passes a law regarding absolutely anything, they're trying to control people.

Laws against shoplifting are an attempt to control people.

Laws against polluting the environment are an attempt to control people and companies.

Society depends on people being controlled in all sorts of ways. Laws against abortion are just one more unremarkable example of this.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I'm pro life also. The pro abortion guys are sickos. They want to kill the child to avoid having responsibilities. Only sexually promiscuous guys are pro abortion.

[Asker]

Seriously. I don’t know how anyone can just toss a human life in the garbage because they think it’s an inconvenience to them. These people are seriously mentally sick.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Ikr. Babies are the most vulnerable people. Pro abortion people don't get maternal/paternal instincts. Or at least feel sympathy for these helpless humans? 😞

Are you Christian too by the way?

[Asker]

I’m not, no. Are you?

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Yes I'm Christian. Are you atheist or another religion?

[Pohjolan]

Because they objectively are whatever their reasoning for it is.

Imagine for a moment that there was a class of people exempt from taxation whom would be pushing for high taxes for everyone else.

You should just accept that people are going to be pissed off about you imposing your morals on them while they (not you) are the ones who have to live with the consequences.

[DonaldDarko]

I'm not sure what they're trying to do really. They just really hate abortion but can't actually say why. Usually they're religious but not always.

[XXblack88]

I don't know Men need to be careful who they're fooling around with cause not every women your fooling with wants kids and their idea of birth control is an abortion.

[andreasderjuengere]

To be against something is perfectly ok.

Where I draw the line: when outsiders dictate individuals what to do or not to do.

And that's not about ''abortion'' only.

[DrPepper12]

Because if you don't have a vagina you should MYOB and STFU. Although that's just a shot in the dark...

[Asker]

You sound like a woman. 😆

[Asker]

According to your party, I don’t even have to have a vagina to consider myself a woman

[blackeagle007]

You look like a woman

[grega239]

Because that argument give them a reason to protest and play the victim.

Their selfishness prevents them from considering any other arguments especially when it counters theirs

[SmokinAces2000]

It doesn’t matter what you’re trying to do. Women should be able to decide if something that affects her body and can kill her grows in her body.

[Asker]

Yeah, pregnancy is just so deadly. Excuses excuses. Simping won’t get you the girl you want buddy

[SmokinAces2000]

😂I’m a simp because I think people shouldn’t have a say over other people’s body? How old are you?

[Asker]

You take the side of women with everything lmao. Jesus dude, they’re just women. Chill 😂

[SmokinAces2000]

In what regards?

[blackeagle007]

And you’re a Magatard

[Asker]

@blackeagle007 and you’re a dummycrat

[blackeagle007]

Stop being a brain dick

[Asker]

@blackeagle007 you stop being a penis pussy

[blackeagle007]

That makes no sense. What an amature insult.

[Asker]

@blackeagle007 I was simply mocking your horrible insult. You just don’t have the wherewithal to understand that

[blackeagle007]

You be shocked. My Jedi powers are greater than yours young one

[blackeagle007]

The asker is a typical maga

[Anonymous]

It's the men that say "Your body, my choice" that tossed you all in the same slop bucket.

[jahaims]

It's how they cope with murder. They project the blame.

[Anonymous]

You're allowed to not like it, but if you're actively trying to stop her, you ARE trying to control what she does with her body.

[Asker]

I agree with that statement. I’m just talking about an ideological opposition to it

[OneViewpoint]

@asker,

Disagree all you want. Because Jesus. Because you think people are shitbags for using abortion like a condom. But you don't get a vote in any woman's abortion. You don't have to like it. You don't have to be pals with a woman who chooses abortion. You can even waste your time here railing about it. But you and I and everyone else are bystanders with the exception of the medical professionals advising her and possibly the father and her parents depending on her age and the circumstances of her pregnancy.

And while you may not be a Jesus freak, much of the Reich Wing are Evangelical Christians straight out of 1850 and they DO want to return to the past where women were owned by men. It is absolutely a major foundational part of their ideology. Fortunately they can take their sick twisted religion and shove it up their ass along with their magic holy book and their fake god. They certainly don't get a vote.

[Asker]

@OneViewpoint it’s not like using a condom. Condom is preventative. Abortion is stopping a life from happening that has already started

[Asker]

Those are the facts. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

[OneViewpoint]

Potential life. And not a conscious being at that stage. And it doesn't matter. You don't get a say in other people's decisions about their own bodies. At least you got part of it right. Facts don't care if you like it or not. Bitch and moan all you want. Clutch Jesus's nutsack and maon if you want. Not your decision to make. Maybe you'd like the rest of us making all your decisions for you.

[Asker]

@OneViewpoint I understand it’s not my decision to make, asshole. Never said it was. I simply stated that having an ideological opposition towards it doesn’t mean that I’m trying to control women. You can bitch and moan about women’s rights all you want, but I’m entitled to my opinion and to voice it as well.

[OneViewpoint]

Oh incel boy. Scream into the darkness all you want. You'll be beating off on your mom's couch for the rest of your life.

[Asker]

@OneViewpoint haha 😂. Sure thing femboy cuck

[DCVsMarvel2]

Because it's not YOUR body, dude. It is wrong

[seeyounexttuesday]

Don’t listen to the caterwauling. It’s a distraction.

[Anonymous]

Laws are meant to control people because some things shouldn't be allowed. Nobody would call anti murder legislation controlling someone else's body even though that's technically what it is

[bddddd]

Because they are trying to control women.

[AngryCarl2]

The answer is literally in the question.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Great another Magan fanatic.