Do you agree that people who file false rape cases should face the same legal actions as an actual rapist would face?

[TadBehaya]

Why/why not?

Yes

No

[Anonymous]

Complicated , though would promote fitting punishments to those that file fake murder cases / file false missing cases on top of this.

There should be a penalty that is justified in the eyes of the law and will put an end to these attention seeking BS claims , though it shouldn’t be as harsh as someone who commits a totally heinous irredeemable act, should be treated on the severity of the case ig.

I once saw a little girl who faked to cops that a white van was on the road that kidnapped someone , if this case was taken literally by police and escalated , someone could’ve gotten seriously injured or killed in the process. If it was a grown ass adult who endangered a real van owner then certainly the penalty should be heightened.
Not that it is the only scenario, that it should follow that structure.

Filing false cases for attention / clout / to ruin another human being’s reputation is heinous , morally wrong , and downright vile that should never go unpunished.

My only concern: How do you know (or at least prove) when someone is falsifying a forced sexual encounter / assault when they file?

Date Rape is via an odorless and tasteless drug put in the drink that dissolves quickly. Once the victim is awake , they don’t have a single memory of what happened after a certain point which once it comes up later , it can seem like a falsehood done for money or a smear campaign. Bill Cosby did do sexual assault in this manner along with other methods like sexual battery , coercing women to do sex acts using his power and influence over them , etc. in ways similar to Harvey Weinstein’s heinous sex acts which Hollywood would joke about / mention for decades before it came out.

If a ‘false’ filing is not winning your case or it not being accepted because of the higher ups…. Then who is there to stop these assholes from using women as tools and props for their own pleasure seeking ventures. Gross.

[msc545]

Weinstein did not do anything that other people here in Hollywood. Weinstein got in trouble because he's a very overweight unattractive man that women did not want to have sex with. He got in trouble for asking for sex in exchange for entry into the entertainment industry. Plenty of women who are now film and entertainment stars took him up on that and as a result they are multi-millionaires.

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 Nope. Harvey Weinstein got in trouble once he stopped being useful to the Hollywood Machine. They knew about it during Monsters Inc + Shrek CGI Hollywood Award Show , they joked about how you shouldn’t go to Weinstein’s room…. Was he ever charged back then? No because he was making hit after hit until sometime when he wasn’t so, once he wasn’t useful they canned him.
Once you aren’t useful to the machine, you get justice handed to your ass.

[msc545]

Yes of course I agree with this. The people who disagree with us say that it would discourage people from filing rape cases. What they really mean is it would discourage other people from filing false rape cases. That would seem to be the point of punishing people who actually file false rape cases. Feminists ignore all this and think that any woman should be able to file anything they want and be believed. This is why you can't get a marriage proposal or a date if you are a woman. No sane man wants any part of this.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Yes, filing false claims is an objectively immoral and cruel thing to do, especially because even when acquitted it means the man’s life is essentially ruined and he has to start all over to find a sense of normalcy again.


However, sentencing a false filing to anywhere from 10-30 years in prison, or a massive fine of anywhere from 5 to 6 figures seems inordinately excessive.


This reactionary response comes from a deep desire from people who want to punish women for using a system they didn’t make to their personal advantage. Yes, it’s cruel. Yes, they’re terrible people. Creating such harsh punishments for women who do this, in my opinion, does nothing to actually solve the problem. At least imprisoning real rapists (a crime that cannot be redeemed or fixed, these men will never change who they are and there is no cure for them once they reach that point of violence) keeps them away from vulnerable parties, even though imprisoning them solves nothing about the root cause for the crime itself.

[purplepoppy]

Let's assume you've just been raped but the case collapses due to lack of evidence, how would you feel about then facing prosecution? Would you even report the rape in the first place?

I'm all for jailing women who can be shown to be liars but it's a dangerous path that needs to be tread carefully.

[fonduegirl]

Exactly

[fonduegirl]

Like these women should definitely be punished but it cannot be as harsh

[fonduegirl]

Additionally, female rapists should be punished as severely as male ones.

[ShrunkenGuy]

I guess there is still a burden of proof it was intentionally a false claim, which likewise might collapse due to lack of evidence. I guess we have to outlaw public accusations of rape as extreme defamation attempt to ruin a persons life and have strict privacy controls around such a case to protect the accused as much as the accuser until the case can categorically be proven with evidence as true or false. Now if all that is true and it is proven beyond a doubt that it was an intentional malicious false report, then it probably should match or be worse. Otherwise you leave the system open to abuse. Now if it’s a public accusation and becomes unproven then becomes a defamation style case that’s the question then isn’t it, was there insufficient evidence and he gets away or was there insufficient evidence to prove she made a false report. If everything is kept private then there’s no long term damage done just split the costs. One might argue she chose to make it public and ruin his life and face the consequences if she can’t prove it however anyone sympathetic to the pain and trauma it causes someone would appreciate they want that to be known and may not be able to control themselves for a brief moment and make that mistake. However in many other law cases, you have to keep privacy/secrecy so as not to jeopardise the case, therefore I’m afraid to say it would probably go that way which could potentially protect male monsters if abused woman have a momentary lapse of self control but ensure innocent men are not destroyed by malicious women. Which obviously some will be relieved by and others horrified of an easy escape from facing justice. It’s complex, there doesn’t seem to be a perfect solution.

[Avicenna]

If you mean that they should be prosecuted, yes, of course. However, if you mean that the false accuser should face the same amount of jail time, I’d disagree with that for two reasons.

First, unless the falsely accused is convicted and sentenced, you don’t know how long that jail time would be. We’d also have to define when the accusation is legally considered false- when it’s conclusively proven false or just if the charges are dropped due to insufficient evidence or there is a not guilty verdict.
What if the accuser recants?

Second, as bad as a false accusation is, it doesn’t include the physical action involved in rape, so the punishment can be made for an action that did not occur.

Note also that a false accusation of rape is a tort, and a false accuser is liable for civil damages as well as criminal prosecution.

[Dongie]

The falsely accused has his mind raped as his reputation, shredded, is all over the news so that he is spit upon by people everytime he ventures out.

[Dongie]

Plus, saying the same sentence as a rapist is automatically in conjunction with the false accusation. I think rapists don't receive a proper punishment. After a repost is caught he shouldn't be allowed to have the opportunity again. By whatever it takes. A bitch making false accusations should receive a minimum of 5 years before parole and that's being lenient.

[Avicenna]

@Dongie: Well, convicted rapists should get a lot more than 5 years. For a proven false accusation of rape, yeah, 5 years is also too lenient.

[Avicenna]

And don’t forget that there are civil suits to deal with the torts associated wit false accusations of rape

[Dongie]

With full proof, no way to be wrong I say put his nuts on a shelf.

[Dongie]

Civil suits, yes but that's dependent upon what the liar has. You may get an empty judgment.

[Avicenna]

@Dongie: Maybe, but it stays on their credit record and can be renewed, so if they ever want to own property ir inherit, they’re going to have a problem. Wage garnishment is also an option in most states.

[Dongie]

That's something at least. In small claims there's nothing. I heard they can't get their license renewed is all.

[mstbooblover]

Accusing someone falsely of being a rapist can have terrible consequences in their professional and private life, and thus, in my opinion, people filing false rape cases should at least face a trial. Up to justice to evaluate the harm done, and how to make the false accuser pay.

[DJB72]

Yes. A false allegation - I'm not talking about a verdict of "not guilty", rather one proven false before trial starts - can be as psychologically damaging as an actual assault. Basically because there's always enough people who are prepared to believe the lie to ruin the actual victim's life and make sure it follows them for ever. Even if no charges are filed.

[Dongie]

Yes, and rape, as awful as it would be, is not plastered on the news!

[genericname85]

well obviously, cause they're committing the worst form of fraud and reputation destruction possible. and it's not just that this "should" be illegal and face legal actions. it already is. i think the punishments for that should be way more bad. cause that undermines the credibility of actual rape victims that we should be helping.

[Stevepro68]

There are already so many negatives to claiming rape. Adding more negatives to the problem will just allow more rapist's to continue to rape And get away with it. It is already one of the most imbalanced crimes were almost 63% of SA goes unreported.

[serious]

Yes they should be punished and face legal consequences but getting the exact same punishment as the other would not be justified.

[Grond21]

Not quite, but somewhat close. If a rape case is not proved it doesn't mean it's automatically a false accusation. But if it's proved beyond reasonable doubt to be a false accusation, then I think the penalty should be severe.

[fonduegirl]

Same consequences? No. The accusation isn't as bad as the act itself.

But should they be punished? Of course, for falsely accusing an innocent person, for ruining their life

[dustybiker2]

If someone rape somebody they should go to prison.
If somebody mentally abuses somebody by falsely claiming rape they should go to an asylum.

[Steelcore5280]

The folks who said no are why innocent men have their lives ruined and, in many cases, why they may even take their own life to escape it all.

Women aren't the innocent damsels you think they are.

[fonduegirl]

Okay, then punishment would you offer to female predators, women who have raped guys?

[Steelcore5280]

@anon1903 I bet you don't even believe that women can be predators. Women tend to believe that women can't be predators.

[fonduegirl]

They can be. Women have potential to be predator just as much as the next man

[Caroline91]

Just like rape, it would have to be proved. But a false accusation like that is a kind of emotional and spiritual rape.

[PeachyPie93]

Yes because they are ruining peoples lives.. and to put someone in prison when innocent is completely wrong and should have consequences..

[Dongie]

Yes! After all the man's life is greatly altered forever. Possible to say only death would have been worse. To not prosecute on the basis that "it might deter rape victims from coming forward" falls under the category of SO FUCKIN' WHAT!!

[Razp_Sorbet]

So... no legal action at all?
If it can be proven with 100% certainty that a false claim was made then yes sure they should be prosecuted.

[Miristheiss]

I am not going to get too much invested in how long their sentence should be but it should at least be a year in prison.

[DryGermanGuy]

No, but existing libel/slander laws should be applied to the fullest extent! 😡

[WhiteThought]

Yes, as the damage false rape allegations create can be far worse than the damage caused by actual rape. Not to mention, it's extremely harmful to the women, or men, that are actual victims of rape.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

The comments seem to highlight a confusion between legal actions and sentencing?

[Flower7]

Is sentencing not a legal action?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

The question seems to mean, for some people, if they agree that filing false rape cases should be sentenced the same way as rape. But legal actions means going to court. So I wonder what happens here

[Flower7]

No because obviously, rape is a worse crime than accusing someone.

[Paige90]

I disagree

[Flower7]

The accusation might not even lead to any punishment, but once a rape is done, it’s done and it is a part of that person for the rest of their lifetime.

[sirderpsalot123]

A woman becomes a predator after she falsely accuses someone. She isn't just telling a lie, she's weaponizing a system that was meant to protect victims and using it as a way to destroy someone's life.

[Bricealan]

@Flower7 Once a man is accused of rape, the accusation has very long consequences and could effect his job, his social interactions with others and the accusation will always be there even if the accusation is withdrawn.

[Flower7]

@Bricealan Violent crime is still worse in my opinion.

[Bricealan]

@Flower7 I understand your feeling on the subject, and yes it is really awful

[ShrunkenGuy]

Dare I say that’s because you can’t put yourself in the shoes of someone being accused of rape. So how about this, we know there are woman abusers of children. I have a feeling woman falsely incarcerated for rape would disagree with you.
I’ve heard stories about hot light bulb usage on those cell wings. Likewise if not incarcerated, good luck in society if everyone things you abuse children, even as a woman it’s likely not a life worth living.
Yes it’s a horrific violent crime, but you put someone in danger for the rest of their lives. Still why are we comparing them? They’re both bad, it’s not a competition.

[KostasKouvalis]

Great idea, and the punishment should also include public shaming and getting put on the sex offender registry

[Drumlin2001]

Absolutely, undermines real victims and destroys innocent lives

[sirderpsalot123]

If there's proof that's it's false, yes. It would also help real victims.

[Yannae]

Yes, because they try to ruin someone's life so they should have theirs ruined.

[shortster]

All people that falsely accuse someone of a crime that didn't occur should face the punishment that the accused faced.

[Anonymous]

I would say no because it is ofc bad to blame someone like that but not as bad as raping

[blackeagle007]

Fuck yea. But they never do!!! Women always get special breaks. Total bullshit

[KateCrombie]

Yes, definitely

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yea id be down for that to be the new rules

[WonderingManII]

Yes because it wrecks people's lives.

[Sal_Monella]

There will be recourse.

[FenixG45]

Lying about it is as bad as the crime!

[robocop666]

say this to Mike Tyson.

[MasterKS]

That should be the rule.

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope

[TonyMetal___86]

Yes m'am

[Bklynbadboy12]

Yes the should

[jimmy2]

Jail time