Charlie Kirk has been shot. Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

[contentious]

It just continues to prove that the Socialist left stands against freedom of speech and western values in general. In 1920s Weimar Republic the left did the exact same things. They censored conservative voices in news print, just like all the internet censorship under the Biden administration against Republicans on Twitter, Facebook, Godaddy, etc. They carried out street gang violence against conservatives with ANTIFA and other left-wing gangs. They carried out false flag events to shift the nation more toward authoritarianism. The left carried out political assassinations of conservative voices killing people in cold blood in the streets to oppress the republic before introducing the left’s star of the show Adolf Hitler into power. They’re running the exact same play book. Soon enough Democrats will be burning books in the street to erase your culture and history like they were doing as they tore down statues a couple years ago and they will be stuffing Jews and Christians into cattle cars for extermination… If you let them.

[loveslongnails]

Him being shot is not a good thing. I don't anything he stood for, but that's not the point. What I like even LESS, is the TOTAL outrage from the conservative community because one of their biggest propagandists got shot, compared to school shootings when hundreds of kids get shot and all they say are "thoughts and prayers". There was also a school shooting that day in Colorado. Very little coverage of that, however. Go ahead and tell us one more time how the "left" controls the news media.

Perhaps if he meets Christ, Charlie can explain how he supported the systematic destruction and starvation of thousands of men, women and children in Gaza while claiming to be a follower. I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

[Asker]

You don't get to tell people what they care about. We can care about both at the same time. You want us out there screaming for gun control, and if we aren't, you claim we don't care. I would like to see more done to deal with the violence issue in this country. All the violence, not just certain violence.

[loveslongnails]

Excuse me, but your outrage is misplaced. I can judge what a person cares about or does not care about by what they DO and say, mostly about what they DO. In Charlie's case, it was about what he didn't do. He clearly said it's unfortunate, but it's worth a few gun deaths to protect freedom and the 2nd amendment and his "God-given rights". That's what he believed, so he didn't care about stricter gun laws. And when schools got shot up and kids died, it was "unfortunate" in his view, but worth it. Then comes the "thoughts and prayers". That's who he was. It's no surprise it didn't sit well with millions of folks.

[Asker]

No, you don't get to say what people care about when they don't respond in the way you think they should. For you caring means calling for gun control, period.

[loveslongnails]

As I said, I DO get to say what someone cares about BASED on their actions. A few gun deaths were acceptable to CK for his concept of "freedom", just as annihilating children by the thousands was acceptable to him. He can claim he cared all he wants, but his actions said otherwise, and actions are what matters. For me, gun control is one "thing" towards protecting kids, and adults. It's not an end all, but there are more guns in the USA than people. It's the only country in the WORLD where that is the case, and the USA leads the world in gun violence deaths. So, tell me again what you care about.

[supercutebutt]

It's sad. But he was 100% in favor of everyone in America owning a deadly weapon of war. He said gun deaths were unfortunate but an acceptable consequence of Americans retaining their "God given right" to guns. So he supported his killer's actions in a way. I wish he were a smarter man but it is what it is. :(

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

His extremist views sitting in a quickly-escalating political landscape as one CEO after another is murdered, I’m surprised he didn’t see it coming and prepare better.

[Asker]

You, too, are gross.

[goaded]

Has there been another CEO shooting?

[WhiteSteve]

Very much not a fan of the guy, but you never want to see that. Bad guy with a bad message, but violence is never the answer to countering it.

Hoping he makes it, but I saw the video and he’s either dead or going to be quadriplegic.

[Ariesman81]

Which message? That family is important? Murder is bad? Perhaps be more specific.

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 I think you’re presenting it in a very charitable light, but I’ll tell you what…let’s come back to it in a few days. Today isn’t the time to talk about why I think Charlie Kirk was a bad person. I’m not going to make this about Charlie Kirk as a political influencer at this time, but as a father and a husband, and a son, and all the other relationships. But most importantly as a father. I’m happy to address it (although it’s not really anything you couldn’t extrapolate from anything else I’ve written on here about MAGA-brand conservatism, if you ever took the time and happened to remember me), and I’m not trying to performatively high-road this or anything, seriously…but I’m not going to run through it today, that feels gross after watching someone’s murder. The Terrible Person Of The Moment is the shooter.

[Ariesman81]

You had no problem calling him a bad man on the day he was murdered. You're definitely trying to "high road" it. We're onto the bullshit.

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 No, sir, no bullshit. I don’t do the whole “they died, so now we’ll remember them as they weren’t” thing. If you asked me about Kobe Bryant five years ago or however long, I would’ve said he was a rapist. But now I’m not supposed to acknowledge that, because of how he died and how old he was, and because he had a family? When OJ Simpson died a few years ago, did it change how you felt about him? He went out on his own, a little different, but still, am I supposed to be SO respectful of the dead that I forget what they did and said in life? I’m not celebrating his death, but I’m not necessarily going to mourn him either.

Also, I don’t forget the MAGA guy and Evangelical preacher, who tried to assassinate two Minnesota politicians AND their families, successfully murdered one, their husband, AND the family dog, which will make me sick til the day I die. The fucking DOG, man😭😭😭 You guys came out guns blazing (pardon the unintentional pun), “hE wAs A LeFTiSt LuNaTiC!!!”, and then as soon as the roommate said he was a big MAGA guy, all of a sudden you all got REAL fuckin’ quiet. Haven’t heard a peep since.

Haven’t heard a word about the crazy right-wing shit written on the Minneapolis shooter’s gun the other week either, just leaning into the trans thing, because even though Caitlin Jenner is on you guys’ team, you still just think “trans = liberal.”

We’re onto the bullshit over here when you guys try to reverse-engineer yourselves into perpetual victimhood, while simultaneously being the people instigating the initial intolerance by having a problem with people you have no warranted reason to have a problem with. Please don’t forget the entire anti-MAGA movement exists to STOP these guys from being unwarranted, unprovoked assholes to certain subsets of America and just humans in general who you’ve manufactured some sort of offense amongst yourselves to give yourselves a reason to give them shit.

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 Like there are literally Americans just trying to live in whatever way makes their heart sing, and here comes MAGA, in the land of the free, saying “no, it’s not ok to be that way, you have to be like US, otherwise we’re going to deliberately fuck with you and make life more difficult for you, even though you’ve done nothing to us personally.” They try to get cute with that too, and act like their legitimate opinion is being stifled, because they aren’t being allowed to be assholes comfortably.

That’s fucking crazy. THAT’S why y’all are “the bad guys” in the first place. Like your disdain for others and desire to make that public and to create societal roadblocks if you can, THAT’S WHAT THAT MEANS, that you’re a bad person for that. MAGA’s inability to understand why they’re the initial villain in this overall political landscape is forever beyond my comprehension. Clear as goddamn day.

The left is tolerant of everything except intolerance itself. We care about humanity more than you guys do, CLEARLY, and apply it universally, not just selectively to people we like. If you see that as anything but respectable…. I mean, that would only serve as further evidence of the right’s problematic worldview. There’s something broken in your brains and/or souls that isn’t broken in ours, apparently. I don’t get it, but that seems very obvious.

To put it in elementary school terms, the shared quality that I’ve noticed in everyone who’s a Trump supporter is that they’re MEAN. And we can laugh and act like I’m a crying little girl on the playground if you want, but straight up, that seems to be the universal pre-requisite. Kindness is selective at best, and your whole worldview seems to be based on “who’s trying to make me not be mean or counteract the effects of my societal meanness?”

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 They try to dress it up like it’s just being “tough” and “no-nonsense”, but just…no it’s not, bro. It’s YOU being an intolerant asshole who feels a whole lot of entitlement in life to, I don’t know, never be in uncomfortable or unfamiliar social situations? I truly don’t get it.

But you guys’ angle of “those people we fuck with deserve it because there’s something wrong with THEM, not us” is just plain wrong. Full stop. Without that, I wouldn’t even be paying attention to politics. But I’ve stood up to bullies on behalf of others my whole life, and this is maybe the most obviously righteous call to action I’ve ever received.

You guys’ attitudes towards almost everything is so fucking wildly misinformed through right-wing media propaganda, much like what the late Mr. Kirk purveyed. Believe me, on the left, we’re in absolute disbelief at the state of affairs, that half of our country needs to be “managed” the way that we have to. That’s absolutely crazy that we have to become politically activated to prevent the right wing faction from fucking with innocent people, all because of you guys’ inability to leave innocent people alone, and you furthermore just make shit up, sometimes out of whole cloth, to try to paint yourselves as the good guys just trying to “protect your family” or “save America” or whatever bullshit excuse they go with.

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 Everyone: “Hey, let’s let everyone live their lives and not act like others are weird or evil or dangerous simply because it doesn’t align with MY beliefs.”

MAGA: “Lol, no.”

And they’ll even try to spin THAT, like we’re infringing on your beliefs by not letting you aggressively fuck with people. It’s truly unbelievable. I’m just so shocked that this is who so much of America is. I want to be playing sports and doing shit that brings me joy, not having to help police mostly my own demographic from obviously out-of-line anti-social behavior they desperately want to spin as some innocent way of life that should be respected and allowed to exist to fuck with our social dynamics.

I wish you guys would chill, I’m so fucking sick of being on GAG writing hour-long diatribes that like two people read, but this is my way of chipping in. But I’m exhausted, man, and I’m just so sad that fellow Americans can’t figure out what it means to be a good person.

So, yeah, I don’t think Charlie Kirk was a good person. I can think that and simultaneously think what happened is tragic and unacceptable. Life is a spectrum, it’s not binary. I don’t want to dance on his grave, that’s not the kind of person I am. He had a family, who is more who I’m concerned about. But I’m definitely not going to posthumously canonize him or his message. His message was everything that’s wrong with America and Americans in 2025. I’ll believe that until MY day comes.

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 But I’m not going to go further than that and specifically tear apart what he preached in the immediate future because I can’t do that without getting overly disrespectful. A man is dead who shouldn’t be, and that’s ultimately tragic. I stand by my overall assessment of him, and I believe his messages (or at very least the tenor of them) should be combatted tooth and nail, it just doesn’t feel appropriate today to go through the whole litany of things I think he said that were poisonous. I’m trying to maintain my own humanity in dealing with people I dislike because of THEIR lack of humanity. It’s a tough line to walk, but I’m trying.

[Ariesman81]

Again, what did he say that was false? Tolerance of sin is not love, it is the absence of it. Kirk had more love for mankind than anyone on the left cares to admit. Because the left is on the wrong side of it. Please read about Judas.

[AyChingao]

@WhiteSteve yeah, a lot of this. I was never one to pay much attention to politics until he "came down the golden escalator" Been a shit show ever since.

[WhiteSteve]

@Ariesman81 Well, again, I’m not going to take today to break down why I think Charlie Kirk sucked.

To your broader point: not everyone goes by your presumably-Christian belief system, nor should anyone be obligated too. We are a secular, multi-theist, multi-cultural nation. Anyone who doesn’t like that should pack their shot and go elsewhere. But one of my number one concerns in society is that I don’t have the religion of others (here it’s typically Christianity, but I’d be yelling the same shit about Sharia Law if I lived in Iran, it’s not specifically an anti-Christian thing…I’m not even anti-Christian per se, just a secularist) forced upon me through law or societal norms. That’s all I’m asking, that we all live our lives freely, and no one else inserts themselves with “but Jesus says…” and expects all of us to follow that protocol. I feel about religion the way anti-LGBTQ people feel about LGBTQ folks: keep that shit to yourself, in your own home and spaces, and don’t let me see it or know it exists. I can handle your churches or wearing crosses in my face, but don’t make your way of life MY expected way of life. That’s not a big ask.

America never was and never should be a Christian nation. Nothing against Christians, but that just can’t be the way we do business around here. And not for nothing, y’all are supposed to “Love thy neighbor as you love yourself”, not study scripture to focus on how you can spin passages to justify your own viscerally-arrived-at bigotry.

[WhiteSteve]

@AyChingao Just a nightmarish decade, man. Makes me have to be someone I don’t even enjoy having to be. I just do it because I know it’s right🤷‍♂️

[AyChingao]

yes indeed. You can't just stand there and let 'em punch you in the face repeatedly. But then they prove that teir cowards by acting all self righteous when you stand up... sick of it

[WhiteSteve]

@AyChingao they remind me of those pest hockey players who fuck with you and fuck with you and fuck with you, til you finally snap, and once you hit them, they’re crying to the ref looking for a penalty, and then wink and smirk at you while the retaliator gets taken to the box🙄😂

[Ariesman81]

If you're political you are religious. Both are belief structures that dictate societal behavior. To say you're a secularist simply means you haven't found a faith other than your own understanding.

I'm not saying it to be mean, I'm legitimately trying to help you build a stronger foundation.

[Shiprex]

How many other fathers and husbands also died that day in America?

[Ariesman81]

@Shiprex

Too many

[Shiprex]

@Ariesman81 not a word spoken of their loss though

[Twalli]

I'm horrified and actually angry. I didn't like his policies, but we were friends on Facebook when we were both in high school and I saw him change from an idealistic highschooler to a major player with TP USA (which he started in high school). While I was not a fan of who he became and probably would have gladly gotten in a long debate with him, nothing mitigates or excuses his shooting. Nothing mitigates or excuses the two attempts on Trump's life.

[Asker]

Thank you for a very human response.

[Twalli]

Nobody should celebrate his death. Trump's response, although not celebrating it, is also likely to increase violence, so that's also not an acceptable response. If I were a violent person, I would go after those who are cheering or celebrating his death. Since we don't know who did it, we don't know their motivation, but NOTHING can justify this. Granted, I don't think the shooting of UHC's CEO is justified, because it was still murder.

[Asker]

I don't think anyone should be fanning the flames of violence.

[Twalli]

Unfortunately for us, Trump doesn't have the ability to not do that unless he keeps mute, which is not his MO.

[goaded]

We must reject political violence in EVERY form.

Anyone remember what the response was to Paul Pelosi nearly being killed?

[Asker]

Some people were terrible, and some people are terrible now. People are jerks.

[Anonymous]

Violent left.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4Qk5JiolAas?si=Pm4JDNz1qrg50KaY

[goaded]

You know literally nothing about the shooter at this point. Nothing. But one shot trumps multiple mass shootings, if you like the target.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded used to live in a democrat run city. There were mass shootings every weekend but white liberals didn't care.

[goaded]

Let me guess, the city was in a Republican state that wouldn't let them pass gun control laws or right next to states where guns are easily accessible.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded nah true blue state. They basically decriminalised most crimes. You know defund the police.

[goaded]

So no neighbouring state where you can pick up guns easily?

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded as it turns out criminals dont care about laws.

[goaded]

So that's a yes to "neighbouring state where you can pick up guns easily".

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded neighboring state like Mexico?

[exitseven]

It's a damn shame. the rhetoric from the democrats are to blame for this.

[contentious]

So document it and make a submission so that people in their communities and their employers hold them accountable.

https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

[FreyaRed]

He didn't feel much. Neck artery hit, he bled out in less than a minute and projectile hydro static shock knocked him down instantly. Technically it's a nice exit.

[OhMyMan]

Right, but he was young. It was a "nice exit" for JFK too. Lots of people have "nice exits." Maybe he would have lived another year forty years and passed away in his sleep.

[FreyaRed]

every unnecessary 'exit' is tragic but at least it was a painless one.

[Anonymous]

honestly, it shouldn't be a surprise at this point. Charlie was a good man. He had a way of encouraging debate, discussion, and rational thinking that not many others could do. His ability to speak to and reach the younger people is probably why the political left felt so threatened by him, as they continue their attempt at mind control of the youth.

[Shiprex]

It's sad the free access to firearms allows for acts like this.

Maybe if civilians didn't get access to firearms things lije this would be reduced.

[Anonymous]

I don't agree with his views but it's still terrible and wrong regardless of who the victim and perpetrator are.

[Chazmatazz269]

It’s a tragedy. The lunatic left’s response is abhorrent.

[Anonymous]

if there was ever someone the Left were going to target, Charlie Kirk is the wrong person to go after

[DrPepper12]

^^^^

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm not surprised. His views are very controversial and provocative

[OhMyMan]

How could you not be surprised? You were kind of expecting it? You would not be surprised if Michael Moore was shot tomorrow?

[KostasKouvalis]

@OhMyMan Not expecting it, but I'm not surprised a Leftist wanted to whack him.
I don't know who that is.

[Hellraiser1984]

Neither side should be killing each other or endorsing violence in any way.

[Ariesman81]

Wow! Died trying to help people.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Effed up. Return the favor back to the shooter.

[Anonymous]

"Thoughts and prayers".

[Asker]

I know you're being sarcastic, but I'm sure he'd appreciate it nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

Hope he is okay

[Anonymous]

No idea who that is.

[Anonymous]

Another republican tranny.

[Anonymous]

Democrats got what they wanted.

[Agape93]

Tough shit.

[Anonymous]

Awful!