Why didn’t that woman shot in MN just get out of the car as ordered?

[Pterodon]

[Miristheiss]

And why was she parked in the road sideways honking and blocking traffic to begin with?

Who has taught these loons they are excempt from law and rules and that they are special to just do whatever the hell they want? With no consequences to be expected.

[Physics-Man]

She was a woke, boneheaded, Social Justice Warrior who fucked around with Law Enforcement, and found out not to do so, with her untimely demise.

She wanted to be viewed as a hero, standing up against the Law and the deportation of people who shouldn't be here; also who, by definition, are criminals. She perceived ICE as some evil, illegitimate organization, not being able to understand that virtually every nation on the planet has an ICE equivalent, and perform essential functions.

It's really difficult not to loathe most Liberals and Democrats for how lacking they are in critical thinking skills, and how easily they allow feelings and emotions to trump logic and reason; I've found way more intellectual midgets among them than I have amongst Conservatives.

I value the objective truth above all, and wouldn't rescind immigration laws simply by watching of videos of Brown kids crying due to being in the deportation process. Galileo wouldn't have been swayed by kids crying because the Earth isn't the center of the universe.

[sage2021]

@Physics-Man

People like her believe that they are above the law or ICE agents, and do stupid stuff like what she did to prove it.

To me, to see a woman such as herself taking on the cops and ICE agents by herself makes me wonder 🤔 if she's was on Angel Dust or one of those drugs that give you super strength. It's possible.
There are a lot of people in America that weren't born and raised in America and are here illegally that really believe they are above the law.
She wouldn't pull over her vehicle when asked by law enforcement agents. Again, breaking the law. They live by THEIR OWN RULES, period.

[msmissydc]

Because ICE had no authority to even stop her. They need probable cause at least which was not given as she wasn't a suspect. They dont even have a right to shoot fleeing suspects. Fleeing is not a reason for lethal force. So even if she was detained they had no reason to shoot and execute her. And that the SS officers highest risk Was a broken finger nail was already established. They shot her after any danger he could have perceived himself to be in was already over.
There is no reason for lethal force given. It was an execution. Judge jury and executioner in one person.

[msmissydc]

Asside from this being told as ordered from ICE gets you kidnapped without a trail so what would that have gotten her? Thrown into a prison that not even those overseeing the prisons can enter and are denied entrance? Yeah its the same as an execution. Once in ice custody it seems all your legal rights vanish, so the best she could have done was to actually kill that nazi fucker and get away. In hindsight the only thing she could have done to change her outcome. I am not pro violence but apperantly no other option is save anymore.

[Pterodon]

She was hindering law enforcement from doing their job which is a felony

[msmissydc]

Even if that was the case ICE should have called the police. They overstepped their authority and obviously their competence as well.
If fellony means death sentence why isn't trump shot on the spot? That argument doesn't make sense.
She may have done a fellony. But wtf does a fellony even mean in america today? Some get shot on the spot, without reason and other get elected president and get to pardon fellow fellons.

[AMS700CX4u2]

It is called Passive Resistance, Ghandi practiced it, Freedom Marchers practiced it, It is a dangerous but effective practice. The effects are usually not felt until after someone sees that another has the courage to resist something that they feel is wrong. When uncommitted citizens see that other have had the courage to stand up against a perceived evil they join in. Those without a backbone suddenly find one. Sadly, it is the first stage of Revolution, Our only saving Grace is that our founding fathers had the wisdom to know that mistakes were going to be made and so built our government with Elections every four years to correct our mistakes. We owe them much Gratitude.

[Pterodon]

Well her disobedience cost her life

[AMS700CX4u2]

And that is the cost of Passive Resistance, When the resister decides to say no. They have considered the cost before they resist. She felt that the situation before her demanded a decision on her part.". Cower to something that she felt was an injustice, or Resist at all cost' That takes courage. Just like a military man makes the decision to resist an enemy and defend his country. She made the decision to depend the Founding Principles of her country and say no, Not on my watch. and it cost her life.

[TwoDecisions]

So fucking glad I'm not in such authoritative country that not following orders from the police is a capital offence where they can be they judge, jury and executioner.

Get why there so many police shootings, and then being trigger happy, that's a lot of power to give to someone with a gun.

[msc545]

Well, because first of all, it probably wouldn't matter or have mattered, but more importantly, she was given two conflicting commands:

"Drive away" and also
"Get out of the car"

One to drive away and the other to get out of the car, within four seconds of each other, so she had to select which one to react to. Arguably, she selected the wrong one. Although she couldn't have known that ahead of time or even anticipated what was going to happen. I don't think getting out of the car would have made this any better, except that they wouldn't have had to remove her dead body from the car and instead just would have had to scrape it off the pavement.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Because she thought that she was going to show off to her friends. She thought the officer would be too embarrassed to do something as over the top as pull out his gun. She thought that there was nothing they could do and the uniforms were for show. She listened to the local politicians who insinuated these people have no jurisdiction over them.

[exitseven]

There people get stirred up by democrat leaders like Tim Walz and after a while they think that they can do anything and nothing wil happen to them. In most cases this is true. Liberal demonstrators are usually give a slap on the wrist if anything. However driving a car at an armed law enforcement officer will not end well.

[Danzigdawson]

Why didn't fucktards at the capitol attack stop when they were ordered to and why weren't they all shot in their fucking heads?

[Pterodon]

So you have no answer

[Pterodon]

All she had to do was exit the vehicle. You will not acknowledge that fact

[Danzigdawson]

@Pterodon Which is the biggest threat to the life of a law enforcement officer?

- A lone woman driving away after an heated exchange
or
- A crowd of thousands of angry morons who were lied to, refusing to disperse, rioting and making it clear that they were going to trash the capitol and incapacitate ( in one way or another) anyone standing in their way?

What do you even think you're doing? You can't win here, dumbshit. It's apples and oranges, so why don't you answer your own fucking question?

Also this very important one:

ICE under trump is known as an agency that has a record of using illegal or dubious methods to achieve their goals. There have been questions about the legitimacy of their newly recruited "agents", as federal officials. They've shown contempt for the laws and the constitution of the United States such as due process in the event of an arrest. They've shown contempt and aggression even towards pure bred American citizens.

So, being aware, as we all are, of the reputation of ICE (under trump) as a deliberately shady, partisan force that has a reasonably questionable legal authority, why in the flying fuck should she have felt compelled to exit her vehicle? Also, is shooting the 'offender' in the head three times an appropriate response when said 'offender' is driving AWAY from you, hence rendering her car to continue to speed uncontrolled and turning it into an actual, potential danger to people or other agents in the vicinity?

All Jan 6 fucktards had to do is disperse. They didn't and they didn't even get shot for it, like you suggest they should have been. Will you acknowledge that double standard?

[Pterodon]

She wasn’t driving away. She stalked them and interfered with law enforcement which itself is a felony. I love your misery

[Danzigdawson]

No misery involved here on our side: you're all starting to sweat like priests in a daycare center and it shows. And you should be worried: you can't just get away with all the shit you've done and supported. What were you even thinking?

I love that you have no semblance of an answer. So, alright, let's say that stalking a questionable "law-enforcement" unit and interfering with them is a felony and, thus, a terrible crime that makes you and ICE agents feel terribly unsafe. Is it worthy of three bullets in the head as you drive away... no arrest, no trial?

What should Jan. 6 protesters have suffered, according to your views on law and order, which apparently dictates that committing a felony is punishable by an immediate summary execution?

Will you finally just answer the fucking question or will you try to dodge it once again?

[Pterodon]

You pussy liberals don’t execute or even jail anyone so why do you care? This isn’t about that

[Danzigdawson]

Dodged it once again. One more time?

[Pterodon]

Don’t pretend like you care about law and order. I can prove you don’t.

[Pterodon]

I don’t know why Jan 6 pisses you off. You love riots and looting and attempted murder and assassinations

[Danzigdawson]

One more time?

[Pterodon]

Why didn’t she get out of the car?

[Pterodon]

That’s what it’ll come down to. Not Jan 6

[Pterodon]

You don’t as you put it drive away when told to get out of the car. You’ll get shot

[Danzigdawson]

" [...] from Andrew Weissman, a career DOJ prosecutor and now an NYU Law professor[:] He said if he were prosecuting the case, he wouldn't deal with the first shot. It's too murky. Was she driving forward or trying to get away? Did the ICE agent fear for his life or didn't he? Instead, Weisseman would focus on shots two and three, which were fired from the side of the car, reaching through the driver-side window and pointblank in the victim's head. It's indisputable that the ICE agent was *not* in danger at that time. Combined with his calling Renee a "F-ing B" (on video) as her SUV rolled ahead, it would be easy to make the case that he fired his gun the second and third times out of hostility or rage or frustration, but certainly not as an act of self-defense".

You've already lost 5 replies ago, pig fucker. Try and dodge it 12 more times, with increasingly insignificant answers to make it look like you "own" this conversation?

[Pterodon]

If she’d got out she’d be alive. That simple. I’m glad she’s dead and I love your misery

[Pterodon]

What I love is I just asked a simple question and look at all you wrote

[Spencer10]

Fear maybe? Panic? who knows. She was a untrained civilian. The ICE officer was the one who was supposed to be trained to make the right choices under pressure.

[Pterodon]

He did. What part of get out of the car do you not understand?

[Spencer10]

A well trained peace officer understand that untrained civilians are unpredictable and makes decisions accordingly. The errors made by theses Officers are many. They chose to escalate a situation that did not require escalation. Never stand in front of a vehicle... never put your hand in a vehicle... deescalate when able and so on... this was a total failure of training and decision making by the people supposed to be trained. If this was an airplane accident the NTSB would undoubtedly put this one down to human factors... pilot error.

[Spencer10]

Now I will be clear I do not think this was murder. But i do think this was negligence.

[Pterodon]

She was told to get out three times. You have no defense

[Spencer10]

So a jaywalker deserves to be shot and killed? How about a shoplifter? A teen who runs away after smoking in school? I will disagree with your position maybe because i expect more from Police officers. Then again i do live in Canada and our culture seems to have more respect for human life and less trigger happy Rambo mentality.

[Pterodon]

Since you can’t even vote you and your opinion doesn’t matter

[Spencer10]

Please remember this when your "Dear Leader" threatens Canada with annexation. Think about all those proudly left wing lunatic Candians that will vote Democratic and enure MAGA will never be in power again... You know what MAGA means in Canada? Make America Go Away.

[lightbulb27]

She was there to disrupt and was ordered out, she wasn't gonna submit to their authority. Her wife bullied or promoted her into doing that. Is she an accomplice to murder?

[Anonymous]

Considering she is a paid ICE protester and the fact that she was trained to disrupt and interfere with ICE doing work. I think she intended to be a martyr.

Was she stupid, Fuck yes. Did she deserve to die, No. But it is what it is.

[Opinion Owner]

In other words, i think she was trying to be the left's charlie kirk.

[Hagar88]

She felt empowered to do whatever she wanted because she thought thered be no consequences, even for running over a federal agent

[Anonymous]

The idiot was under arrest. She should’ve just followed directions and she’d still be alive.

[Dargil]

She believed her moral rightness would protect her. But those 9mm bullets don't understand morality.

[Snakeyes7]

Because she is an NPC who thinks that violence upon law enforcement is justified because they have been branded to be acceptable targets.

[Fireguy17]

only she knows, anything else is just speculation.

[AgentG111]

Because she's an idiot.

[noohair]

Aha! That is the $64,000 question...

[Ariesman81]

The actual reason? Hatred of God.